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Status: Bijuu Council
« on: November 06, 2016, 11:03:37 PM »

Alright ya'll, let's gather round and speak as objectively about the status of SL, it's authoritative bodies, and about those who are being restricted by said bodies.

We'll start with SL as a whole:

All in all there is about 10 people actively competing for beasts:
Kamui/Guruguru: Active, not forgotten. >.>
Rusaku: Actively involved in Bijuu Topics.
Ray: Actively involved in Bijuu Topics.
Jay: Actively involved in Bijuu Topics.
Manji: Sometimes active.
Shadow: Used to spearhead a lot of the Bijuu topics.
Madara: Actively involved in Bijuu Topics.
Athos: Actively involved in Bijuu Topics.
Yujo: Actively involved in Bijuu Topics.
Trev: Actively involved in Bijuu Topics.
Dart?
Teostra?


And there are...5 Council members?
Genesis: Active member of the council, spearheads most topics.
Chinote: I believe this sums up his status as a council member:
"I only 'volunteered' because someone else put my name in the hat and I didn't think I'd get enough votes to need to pull it out.

Whatever happens happens. If it continues, then I guess I'll keep doing it until I get voted out. If it goes away or I don't "win" the election, then whatever."
Eric: Semi-Active.
Hades: Same boat as Chinote, minus the passive-aggressive comments.
And as far as I know, that's it. The other members are either that inactive that they have been forgotten, or some other factor, because as far as I, or some other members are aware, there is no list of council members, anywhere. No public record of who actually makes, and enforces the rules.

From that list, as far as I know, only Hades (maybe) and Eric have ever been hosts. Let's really talk about that fact. There is a type of ruler, that A. Does not know the hardships his/her people face
B. Actively works against his/her people to make their lives more restrictive, and tiresome.

A dictator, or in this era: Communist. While I am aware this analogy is a bit extreme, but this is a shared sentiment by many of the hosts I've spoken to, and some non-host members of SL have expressed their apprehension to joining the 'Competitive' scene due to how restricted the hosts are. This council has displayed an oppressive attitude towards those they are making rules for, acting with complete disregard for it's hosts, and making the role of being a host 10x more difficult than the enjoyment received from being one is. How can a group of individuals, that know little of the trials a host must face, embody their ideals, and work for the betterment of it's people? The answer is, it cannot. Do remember, this is the Bijuu council, not the Shinobi Legends rule makers council, your jobs aren't to make things better for those who don't participate, because as I said, only about 10 people actually care about this stuff anymore, your job is to ensure a fair and fun environment for the Jincks, and those who wish to participate in Bijuu affairs, to which you have failed horribly.

The word stifling exemplifies the collective work of this council and it's ideals.

My suggestion: Elect individuals who can show empathy for the hosts, those who CARE about the game we play, and quit making this GAME a tiresome bore because they disagree with things. Objective, empathetic people, who understand what it is to be a host, and work for the betterment of 'this' community.
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Re: Status: Bijuu Council
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2016, 11:39:59 PM »

Your heart is in the right place with this, but it is more of a socialist communism with the competitive scene these days. It's not just the restrictions that turn new players off, but the ridiculous amount of power-ups and multipliers that these hosts use. I understand that it was a tough trial to earn that respective beast, but you'll have to admit that it's ridiculous to go one-turn Sage Mode and keep it on indefinitely.

I also feel that you're excluding some other players that are actively vocal about tailed beasts, the fact that I wasn't included in your list. Tells me that either you cherry-picked these players or you basically named everything off the top of your head. I won't say that this of true, since it is merely an assumption. Nothing more, nothing less.

Honestly, I want this new election to take place after the distribution of the Gedo Mazo. Should consist of two-three jinchuuriki and the rest be either former/active Kages or other players that want a chance at jumping at this competitive scene.
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Re: Status: Bijuu Council
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2016, 11:56:29 PM »

Not participating. Got a taste of the current climate and didn't like it. I won't vote or anything with them unless something drastically changes >_>
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Re: Status: Bijuu Council
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2016, 12:37:08 AM »

Not participating. Got a taste of the current climate and didn't like it. I won't vote or anything with them unless something drastically changes >_>

What do you suggest changes? C'mon. Don't be afraid to throw some suggestion out there, yo. We need all the help we can get, since the stigma here is so thick that I can cut it with a knife. :oops:
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Re: Status: Bijuu Council
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2016, 12:51:40 AM »

What do you suggest changes? C'mon. Don't be afraid to throw some suggestion out there, yo. We need all the help we can get, since the stigma here is so thick that I can cut it with a knife. :oops:

I'd rather not. I like to watch. Maybe later.
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Re: Status: Bijuu Council
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2016, 01:16:49 AM »

No public record of who actually makes, and enforces the rules...

Let me make this clear:

The Biju Council itself does not make the rules that it enforces!

That is the job of every single SL player interested in biju matters.

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Do remember, this is the Bijuu council, not the Shinobi Legends rule makers council, your jobs aren't to make things better for those who don't participate, because as I said, only about 10 people actually care about this stuff anymore, your job is to ensure a fair and fun environment for the Jincks, and those who wish to participate in Bijuu affairs, to which you have failed horribly.

LOL.

Bocchiere, please, I need you to return and see how things have turned since the Great Debacle. I need to see your response to this statement.

The Biju Council is responsible for enforcing the rules, not making them. To blame the legislation on the Biju Council is nothing short of ignorant of the body's actual job.

Do you want to know what was fun for the jinchs? From hiding in villages with great barriers to making going after a biju a quest for the holy fucking grail. The jinchs had alot of fun, hunters were not pleased, and ultimately, out of fairness to the HUNTERS, who are also participating in this process and are not as easily identified as hosts, the rules were dramatically altered.

Now, you are claiming that the Biju Council's job is to cater to the jinchurikii? You have read the wrong thread(s) if that is your belief.

Let me reiterate, the rules were changed not to cater to the jinchurikii, but to make it fair for both jinchurikii and hunter. Let me also reiterate that the Biju Council does NOT make the rules that you are forced to follow. EVERYONE in the community has that ability and that RESPONSIBILITY.

It is not the Biju Council's fault that so many refuse to accept that responsibility, and instead blame it on a convenient body of scapegoats.

You want a body of Council Members who cater to jinchurikii? Vote them in. This nonsense about the Council failing at catering is a compliment, not an insult, because the jinchs are not supposed to be catered to. Hunters are also a part of the equation as well and need to be considered, even IF the hunters clamouring for biju rules to be more hunter-friendly are now the jinchurikii facing their own written music.

If this whole thing is a response to the Gedo Mazou and its distribution, then say it and we can have a continued discussion from there.
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Re: Status: Bijuu Council
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2016, 06:40:59 AM »

I lurk and make my comments and thoughts as are needed.
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Re: Status: Bijuu Council
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2016, 10:26:55 AM »

I agree and disagree with you in some regards.

Agree:
Def needs to be more hosts/ former hosts on the council. It helps the jinchs feel better about rules being made, and gives the council a voice directly for a host/ former host. Really thankful Eric is on the council. I disagree with him a lot, but he knows the pain of being a host.

Disagree:
The host thing needs to be a minority stake imo. While it is necessary to have some voice on a council, if the voice is the loudest, it will likely bend things to favor said voice.
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Re: Status: Bijuu Council
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2016, 11:26:40 AM »

Just here to let you know that I recognize your recognizing me. <3 :* Much love fam.

My input at this point in time with my obvious waning interest to spend hours on the forums talking about things (42 days logged in is a stupid amount of time) is group of 7 members. 3 jink/kage, 4 non, but still well versed others.

If I had the willpower and care I would have made a template and convincing statement as to how and why that would be good, alas refer to above about my level of interest dying.
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Re: Status: Bijuu Council
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2016, 12:41:45 PM »

Well first of all Yujo...you WERE part of the body of volunteers who got together to make these rules. Then you quit the bijuu rule makers board. Then you quit the site. Now you are back. I hope this time around you have a better time of it.

The current members, every single one of them were hosts. They are not now. I would not call them ignorant of the problems hosts face.

The current volunteers for the next council have also all been hosts, except for Ace. I do not think you can cast doubts on his unbiased nature.

The rule banning current hosts/owners/kages/organization head from being council members was voted out.

The community voted to keep the council.

There are currently discussion topics up for organizing the council. Go comment and help to make it what you want it to be with suggestions on how you feel it should be run.

What else? Oh yes, what Eric said. This whole thing was not started and made to make SL dance to the tune of the jinks or the hunters. This whole thing came about because both parties were unable to manage rping through challenges without tearing up the forum threads with bickering over what was fair and what was not fair.

So...I am really unsure of what it is you are talking about. The only thing I see that is factual is that a list of bijuu council member is not posted, though you were here when all five members were elected so it isn't actually something that was kept secret from you. And I see that Eric has taken your complaint to heart and created a council member's list.

The ONLY thing that the council could possibly doing, making a decision on that you were not part of is deciding what to do with the Gedo Mazo. And people have been commenting on how they want that to work too. The community is having their input on that issue at this very moment.

Yeah...I am really confused how you got it into your head that the council hasn't a clue what they are doing when they made all these rules or that they don't care about how things work for the hosts.
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Re: Status: Bijuu Council
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2016, 10:35:52 PM »

Why doesn't everyone take a break. ~
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Re: Status: Bijuu Council
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2016, 10:12:57 PM »

Gonna second what Eric said.

Also, while I may have started on SL, the majority of my experience comes from 7 years as staff and host on the one's I'm not allowed to name even though none of them exist anymore so why do I always get yelled at when I mention them even in private?

I've held six of the nine at any given point in time, and I've had to defend and hunt for each of them. I know what being a host is like just as well as anyone else. Especially holding Kyuubi for four of those years.

>inb4 "that wasn't SL it doesn't count"

Literally the only difference is we had established rules and oversight first instead of trying to build it up around the entrenched systems in place. And the level of power creep and over-inflated egos wasn't as high.  :roll:

I may not care nearly as much about SL as I used to, but I speak from experience when I feel the need to open my mouth.
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