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Council / Re: Established Consequence
« on: August 28, 2017, 04:34:06 pm »
Agreed

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Jay v Rusaku (discussion)
« on: August 09, 2017, 04:22:45 am »
Alright my bad. I figured this was open for public discussion at this point.

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Jay v Rusaku (discussion)
« on: August 08, 2017, 09:24:37 am »
I agree with everything Rusaku has said here, but more specifically:

Jinton Nagashi? No. Just no. Perhaps you're confusing the name of the KT itself (Dust / Particle Release) with what it actually does. It seems pretty clear that the name is a poetic way of describing what it turns you into when you get hit by it. The techniques have been specifically described as creating three dimensional geometric shapes to contain the EXPLOSION produced by the orb floating in the center.

"The sphere then seems to explode with a tremendous amount of force, while the exterior walls of the structure effectively restrict the size of the blast radius, resulting in the destruction of everything and anyone caught within as they are pulverised into minute particles of dust." - http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Dust_Release:_Detachment_of_the_Primitive_World_Technique

It doesn't create some special Dust Release chakra that magically disintegrates you into dust because of some inherent quality of the chakra itself. It produces an explosion so powerful that it disintegrates you, presumably with concussive force. This is further supported by the borders of the 3 dimensional structure expanding outward due to the blast wave produced by the explosion itself.

So manipulating "raw dust chakra" isn't going to just disintegrate anything it touches. That's nonsensical and completely unsupported by the textual evidence.




Also, we've already had words about you using the Manji Organization to retroactively claim having information on villages and people when you haven't even done the writing work to establish agents in those areas or taken the time to write them actually *discovering* that information in the first place. Stop metagaming. >_>

There are like two mainstream SL RPers who have Tenseigan right now. Rusaku, and Miyuu. Neither of which have shown their Tenseigan to anyone from Uzushio as far as I know. There was the fight / rp that Rusa and I were doing, but we scrapped that.

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Jay v Rusaku (discussion)
« on: July 25, 2017, 01:23:15 am »
I find it peculiar how all these problems are only choosing to surface at this point, especially from Tobias. I've had numerous spars with you, mentioning gravity seals before, but you've never said anything about any problems you had. If they were as big a deal as you're making, wouldn't you, a scientist, come to me and say, "Dude, that's not how gravity works. Your seals should kill you." Because you never have. Now, you say Lee's ankle weights are 10,000 on each leg. How can he move around with 20,000 pounds? Can a normal human react to the speed of light? Can someone raise the dead, revive the dead, rip someone's soul right out of them? Can a human regenerate an arm? Can a normal person shoot fire, the same temperature as the surface of the sun out of their eyes? Can a normal person, through the laws of physics, do anything in the shinobi world? Its not simply, chakra bro. Its the fact that it's an anime. Completely fictional. And SL is a game, based off a piece of fiction. So, using real world science on something that's not real, doesn't seem fair to me. You say this isn't dragonball z, but its also not real life. So, yes, in this universe, I find it completely plausible that after getting myself used to raising my mass, with chakra and all that biz that this universe has, that I can still be pumping blood in my insides, especially since the seal's purpose is to be regulating all those negative affects. Sure, using real science is nifty, but don't forget that nothing could be done by the person behind either of those screens, in this exact moment of time. Also, if my mass is even greater, and with this being fictional, with the fact that I've steadily grew used to the new levels of gravity, then the benefit is even greater. But, obviously that wouldn't matter, since, at this moment of time, they're not even activated.

When I said the part about the Mokuton, I wasn't controlling their speed. I was aware of my speed. When I said the part about the Regeneration, I wasn't saying that it would start, I was simply mentioning it as something completely passive.

You continue talking about auto-dodge, but that's only continuing to imply that they're unavoidable. It wasn't mentioned that they were unavoidable in Rusaku's post, so, I did what I did to avoid them. How different is that from any zone fight? Like, I throw a punch at your face. Is that considered unavoidable? No, because in real time, the opponent can see the punch and do what he needs to do to avoid it. This depends on the skill between the two fighters. Can the target react fast enough to move out of the way? Can the puncher throw his attack fast enough to put the necessary pressure on to cause the hit? If yes for the attacker, the punch lands. If yes for the target, the punch misses. Same for this situation. Could I avoid the wood, yes. Did I do what was necessary to avoid the wood, yes. Did Rusaku increase the speed of the wood, not necessarily. He made them shake and shift, but that's not enough for a seasoned shinobi to lose their footing. I understand your point about the clones eating the wood.

Either way, with the clone's sacrifice being the first, the Sage Seal being the second and Chaos Sage Mode being the last action, I'll only be left with movement. Thus, I'll have my repost up after I get back from work.

Bruh this is the first time I've actually sat down and really considered the implication of what you claim your gravity seals to do. And please for the love of god, do not hit me with "don't use real life science in discussions about fiction". You don't get to pick and choose when you use science to justify your character having some new power up. Either you use it the RIGHT way all the time, or don't use it at all. Do I need to come down the list of your character's powers and point out all the times when you borrow from real science concepts for your powers? That's blatant hypocrisy. You fell back on that argument because you know it's nonsense.

Additionally, I never made the point about the ankle weights.

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Jay v Rusaku (discussion)
« on: July 24, 2017, 07:29:11 pm »
You know, I wasn't going to comment on this because I'm ultimately not involved, but reading this: "Now, can Warren stop favoring his moon bestie and be unbiased as he's expected? I don't feel like developing a problem with the man or Rusaku because of this event. And you can't say that you haven't been, because I don't see any evidence that you've combed through Rusaku's claims and called him out. "

Just set me off. How blatantly dishonest can you be? You have NO proof that Warren has shown favoritism to Rusaku. That's just your way of trying to hand wave Warren's conclusions. 5 separate people have viewed your arguments and all concluded that you're wrong in nearly every point that you made. None of us have a stake in this fight, so you can't sit and claim that we're biased against one side or the other. Don't resort to fallacious rhetorical strategies just because your arguments are bad. :/

Although there are multiple problems with your arguments, I want to touch on the gravity thing in particular:

"Now, the two of you talk about the ludicrous speed at which I managed this. First, I want to bring up Jay's Gravity Seals. On my wiki, Jay weighs 230 pounds. Each level of the Gravity Seals increases said weight by five times. Rusaku has already encountered these seals on Ray, who got them from Jay in exchange for the Explosion Release, via blood.... a very long time ago. I don't remember what number I left off of on Ray, but he's on the first version of the seal, which ends at level 10... which is fifty times Earth's gravity. Version two, mine, continues from there and Jay is on level five, with the new level one being times fifty and level five being times seventy. Now, 230 times 70 is 16,100 pounds. Obviously, Jay's physical training is a constant and he's steadily eased himself up to this point, since the very beginning of his creation six years prior. A ton weighs in at 2,000 pounds. With this being the US, I assume we're going with this measurement. So, simply shedding that weight gives Jay an 8.05 multiplier on his speed. "

That is not -- I repeat, that is NOT how gravity works. When you go to the moon, you don't suddenly move 20% faster because the moon's gravity is 83.3% of earth's. This isn't dragonball z. The concept is nice, but the only thing that training in such higher gravity would do is kill you. If your gravity seals raise your personal gravitational field to 70 times earth gravity, you're not increasing your WEIGHT. Weight is a concept that only exists due to gravity itself. Its dependent on a gravitational field and an objects mass. What you're actually doing is taking on mass, which is increasing your own gravitational field. Weight is the result of gravity. The gravitational field strength of the Earth is 10 N/kg (ten newtons per kilogram). This means an object with a mass of 1kg would be attracted towards the centre of the Earth by a force of 10 N. We feel forces like this as weight.

You can calculate the weight of an object using this equation:
weight (N) = mass (kg) ◊ gravitational field strength (N/kg). Now, since the gravity seal makes your personal gravitational field 70 times greater than the earth's, that means you have a gravitational field strength of 700 N / kg. I'm not even going to touch on how that would affect other objects around you, because that shouldn't need explaining.

You said your character weighs 230 pounds. Substituting that into the equation to find your weight, we get 73,028.2 kg, or 160,999.622 pounds. So yeah, you did your math wrong as well. TL;DR, you'd be dead. Your heart wouldn't even be able to pump blood through your body with such a strong gravitational field, among many other things that would ultimately lead to you not being able to actually fight.

This was all confirmed by an actual astrophysicist who studies gravity for a living, who I'm fairly confident knows more about how gravity works than both of us combined so. Yeah, you're wrong. And that's just two things out of many more things that you're wrong about.

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Ray v Jestar 7-tails fight discussion thread
« on: July 24, 2017, 05:16:53 pm »

... As for the revival fist, it's clear based on what Jay wrote that he's using the super revival fist. Additionally, the page itself says that the regular revival fist causes "tremendous internal damage" and the Super Revival Fist hits with "tremendous bone-shattering force". Presumably the latter is a stronger version of the original technique, so Ray's description of it seems appropriate to me.

Well, using Jay's repost for highlight, I think my confusion can be seen at least:

Original ~
The orb, if it hits Jestar, would create a shock wave that would cause severe internal damage, likely throwing his organs around inside him, which would be more than any one could handle and easily kill. In addition, the shockwave caused by the orb, correctly known as Revival Fist, would send the man flying with plenty of force that he'd attain damage from every bounce he'd make on the ground.

New ~

The orb, if it hits Jestar, would create a shock wave that would cause severe internal damage, likely throwing his organs around inside him, which would be more than any one could handle and easily kill. In addition, the shockwave caused by the orb, correctly known as Super Revival Fist, would send the man flying with plenty of force that he'd attain damage from every bounce he'd make on the ground...

He described the Super version from the get-go, yes, but called it the regular version, hence my confusion. And bone-shattering force and organ jumbling are not the same thing though they are not far off. Jestar could take the hit to his side and, with bone shatteirng force, lose a few ribs and some serious internal bleeding, but not get his intestines knocked out of place; if Jestar takes that hit to the side with organ displacing force, his intestines might find themselves playing pingpong with the spine and abdominal muscles, with a kidney as a wild ball thrown into the court.

One of those is lethal, one of those is not in this context. Bone shattering and organ sloshing can both be considered tremendous internal damage (the latter obviously more extreme) so naturally I wanted to be clear on which Jestar has to deal with before deciding between my options.

*I'd like to add that, in Jay's repost, only a single explosion occurs as a result of his stepping into the doton swamp. Since the armor reforms everytime it is triggered and the doton swamp with some bits of Raiton constantly beneath him, shouldn't there be more than one explosion if not a constant chain of explosions that disrupt his footing more than just a little bit? After all the explosions were strong enough to destroy streams of Raiton, and anywhere his feet touch the swamp technique the armor should be triggered if I understand this armor right.

The use of "bone shattering force" and "tremendous force" in this context is ambiguous, so attempting to deduce what kind of damage they would do would be arbitrary since we're not actually working with measurements in Newtons. Bone shattering force can very well be fatal by the way, but that's neither here nor there.

In response to Ray's post above me:

"As the electricity traveled to him, the moment it touched the layer of bakuton armor, an explosion would occur forcefully destroying the electricity arcs as they came in contact with his body. Just as fast as the explosions happen, they reformed to make sure no spots were left open for the Nara to capitalize on."

Ray, you never wrote that you have to consciously use your chakra to reform the barrier. The implication is that this happens automatically, so yes, I agree with Jestar that it would produce a larger (and more explosions) than you alluded to in your repost.

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Ray v Jestar 7-tails fight discussion thread
« on: July 23, 2017, 07:30:58 pm »
You're correct in that Ray's Bakuton Armor seemingly responds automatically to any foreign chakra and attempts to harm him. In fact, he explicitly states in the post in which he created it that: "In the way it was created anything that touched ray would be violently repelled away from him in an explosion."

Anything means just that, so the raiton and the Doton mud both should produce explosions that propagate outward from the armor itself. How you decide to respond to that is up to you, but I'm giving Ray the opportunity to repost if he wants.

As for the revival fist, it's clear based on what Jay wrote that he's using the super revival fist. Additionally, the page itself says that the regular revival fist causes "tremendous internal damage" and the Super Revival Fist hits with "tremendous bone-shattering force". Presumably the latter is a stronger version of the original technique, so Ray's description of it seems appropriate to me.

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Jestar vs Ray (7-tails OOC Battle)
« on: July 22, 2017, 05:10:44 pm »




Let the record show that Jestar never approached me with any issues he took with Ray's post. Therefore, he lied. He has until the 28th to respond, as per the 7-day rule.

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All That Is Bijuu / Re: Centralized Storage for Summoned Biju?
« on: June 26, 2017, 12:49:33 am »
Okay, so now we need execution. How are we going to go about setting this up? Some random event that the summoners join? The summoners do their own RP to get there or something?

I'd personally rather do an event here on the forums (or on SL, doesn't matter) in which all of the summoners engage. It'd be a cool way to get different characters interacting, and it could be used as a springboard for future plots between those characters, or their respective villages/nations.

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Feature Requests / Re: Clan Link Option
« on: June 26, 2017, 12:47:25 am »
I'm also in favor of this, still.

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All That Is Bijuu / Re: Centralized Storage for Summoned Biju?
« on: June 24, 2017, 08:16:48 am »
You could also use this as inspiration: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning_Island

I support this idea, btw.

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Bulletin Board / Re: Summary of Village Events and Leaders [wip]
« on: June 17, 2017, 07:37:34 pm »
No war yet but I have stuff planned.

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Bulletin Board / Re: Summary of Village Events and Leaders [wip]
« on: June 16, 2017, 08:33:41 pm »
Sacrificing criminals and eventually prisoners of war. What's it to ya?

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Village Square / Re: Instant Negation of Genjutsu
« on: June 16, 2017, 08:33:00 pm »
No, lol. Posts that actually contribute only, please.

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Village Square / Re: Instant Negation of Genjutsu
« on: June 16, 2017, 12:36:52 am »
I have a way we can potentially make the use of genjutsu fair in fights with judges, particularly biju fights. We introduce a sort of "buddy system". The whole point of genjutsu is to manipulate your opponent's senses to produce a desired effect. It's almost always used in a subtle and deceptive manner. Outright posting that you attempt to place your opponent in a genjutsu defeats the purpose, and encourages metagaming and insta-negation of genjutsu.

So instead, the way I suggest we do it (which is how I've typically done it on other sites) is to make subtle references toward the potential activation of a genjutsu in one's posts and leave it to the opponent to pick up on it or not. This would work especially well if the environment within which a fight takes place is described before hand, or if emphasis is placed on a particular instance in the course of a fight that could be used to cast a genjutsu.

An example of this would be you making reference to your character waving their hand and giving particular details about it, which isn't something people would normally put a lot of detail into in the middle of a fight.

Another example could be you describing that there is a particular smell of lilac in the area.

Of course if we're talking about non-dojutsu based genjutsu, then it would likely need to be accompanied by a hand seal of some sort just to make it fairer. That could easily be concealed among the hand-signs for another technique as well.

Another thing we could do, particularly for fights with judges is instead of posting the genjutsu they can PM the judge with the jutsu used and a link to the thread. Then it canít be claimed at a later point that the user was god-modding and had never done the technique.

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