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Village Square / Re: Akatsuki is abolishing summoning contracts
« on: May 05, 2014, 02:40:07 AM »
Pretty sure that's what Naruto did. .-.


I said it was faster due to Jugo's clan ability. Even so, I'm willing to take more time to learn it. Just Zanto and you need to talk about the exact rules as you both said different things.

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Village Square / Re: Akatsuki is abolishing summoning contracts
« on: May 05, 2014, 02:28:08 AM »
It really is sad, Bocc, that Shadow felt it necessary to warp the truth in order to make you mad enough to have to post this thread, but if in fact this is exactly what he has told you then he is either doing one of two things.
1] lying
2] not understanding what he is being told.

so let's clarify WHY shadow/acuma is being told he cannot be doing Sage Mode with the snakes at this time.

When he came to me wishing to sign the contract, I at first told him no because I knew how it would be. He would claim too much too fast. Summons are an RP perk. They have to be earned.

I have very definite ideas about earning things through rp. By now they are well known. So I will not digress into that issue.

So his reply was that he would just do it anyway and go and find the cavern on his own and all sorts of nice threats to bully me into submission.

Eventually I figured wtf and said, you know what? Sign the scroll. BUT!!!!!!!

1] don't learn too much too fast
2] don't change your name
3] don't transfer the contract to a different character.

and he did all three.

He was told the cavern could only be found if the Snake Sage allowed you to do so. Only snake summoners find it. Period. He causes the entrance to the cavern to appear when and where he wishes. It is mystical. It does not wander around all over the land as is being exaggerated here or no doubt to you in pms from Shadow.

It was explained to him that only after you have mastered each different level of snake summons and are ready to meet the Snake Sage would you ever be permitted to find the cavern. If you have been to the cavern and seek to go back there...chances are you will not find it for the entrance will have been moved. But it resides in the land of Earth and won't show up in other lands.

Trev was also RP'd through the same situation where he met the last surviving member of his clan. So was Matsuo, a snake summoner.

Now whoever scripted the rules for snakes certainly didn't check with the scroll holder. These rules just pop up and I hardly have time to read an entire wikia to make sure I am  in compliance with something someone else decided was gonna be made law.

I know from RP president this is how it is because this is the way we RP'd it to be.

it is beyond ridiculous that since April 20th Shadow/ Acuna has acquired a mastery of  [6/6] in Snake Sennin Mode. I gave the scroll to Zanto so that this round HE could endure the bullying that no doubt was going to rise up once Acuma was told he violated the terms of his contract. It matters not what some wikia says, HE was told how it would be before he was EVER allowed to sign. I talked to him about it while he was making these claims and doing these things he was requested not to do. I do not have Acuna's signature on the snake scroll. I have Li Kai. I objected to this very strongly with him but he feels a name change is no big deal so I added Acuna to the scroll. NOT RP...total OOC issue. Which annoys me to death.

He asked about a snake sage he could train with during RP. I told him all about Zanto. Not once until Zanto called him out for his mastery claims did he bother to speak with the man to receive RP training.

This is not about preventing Shadow/Acuna from achieving power. But to put a little bit of validity into EARNING power.

Now...as for the title of this thread, Akatsuki is abolishing summoning contracts...

I have to ask you, is this how we are really going to do things? Why stop with summons?

When I deleted my account I recently was surprised to see that Shadow wasted no time at all in editing the wikia to make himself the new contract holder...as though some one of the other 12 characters who HAD their name upon the contract would not have first dibs...as it was I gave it to Mariko. Metagame much?

Of all the summons contracts Snakes has the most signatures. I feel that I have been quite accommodating in not hording this summons all to myself but in sharing it in a moderate fashion so as not to glut the site with snake sages. 

Additionally I have to wonder, did he bother to mention to you that even after all of this nonsense Zantos has agreed to train him so he can one day make the claims of being a snake sage?

1] I took a week to learn it as did Naruto basically. I enhanced the learning due to having natural senjutsu gathering from Jugo's clan.

2] I changed the name

3] The contract was never transfered

That's what your boy Zanto said. You two need to sit down and get your shit together if you are going to run around claiming two separate things telling me two separate answers.

The rules were told vaguely by you and Zanto is telling me different ones. You wonder why I'm confused.

Bullying? You're acting like I sit in pms with you and call you names, I do not. We've had plenty times where we had disagreements and if you were getting too heated I dropped it. You cannot deny that.

I have pms from you both which are both extremely different in how one finds the snake sage and the rules.

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Village Square / Re: Akatsuki is abolishing summoning contracts
« on: May 05, 2014, 02:11:14 AM »
The main issue here for me is the snake sage mode. Which in order to get you need snakes. Which I have, but due to zanto's and Kayenta's 'contract' they are claiming that I cannot learn sage mode without their damn permission. Let me just claim toads and everyone loses their sage mode. That's where the main issue is. Summoning contracts are in short; stupid. You cannot claim cows and then no one else can use them. Like Bocc said special things like a 'snake-falcon' hybrid can be contracted due to it being something specific.

You can by no means claim to have a contract with the 500000 snakes on the planet.

I can't use manda as that is someone elses animal, but I can summon my own Manda-nada if I so chose to. Why? Because you cannot claim a whole race of animal for your own.

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Village Square / Re: Bijuu rules modification: Case 2
« on: May 04, 2014, 11:28:54 PM »
So say you're a bijuu holder and have always followed the rules as they are, but suddenly your dog gets married and his wife is having puppies. You cannot miss this time of his life for the world, yet you can't post a wonderful one liner in any zone. Well this is where this modification will come into play. Excusable absence. As in someone dies, you're getting married. Basically emotional/rl issues are too much to deal with.

So I want to propose that you can extend the posting from every two weeks to once that month in which you pick the day. No you cannot do this every month. Just once in the case of said things.

Hm... Sounds abusable. If this is permitted on the basis that real life happens, then for some folks, real life just might happen, like, every month or so.

You did say that it can't happen every month, but if an emergency legitimately pops up after a break has already taken, then on the basis of courtesy, what are we to do then? Another extension or stripping then?

As much as I want folks to abide by the rules and be fair at the same time, giving an inch might grant a foot in the process. If everybody "gets one every two months" or something like that, we would need someone to keep track of that.

And I do not volunteer anyone for that particular task, as I do not think anyone has that kind of time on their hands.

I would Shadow, you know, but my dog has a bi-monthly AA retreat. They go into the mountains and camp and such. So I don't know if once a month is fair. Maybe once every 5 years.

Bi-monthly retreat? Easy. Post prior to that trip. Do not wait till the deadline.

Problem solved.  :)

No you cannot do this every month. Just once in the case of said things.

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It won't be a once a month thing. They can do it once a year.

As I said earlier, or at least hinted at, RL happens more than just once a year. Making people pick and choose which to take a break from is sketchy, and I think it would be easier to just strip folks who have RL issues going on consistently.

This isn't for the constant busy people. Like I put in when I made this topic. It's for those who have an issue pop out that usually are always active. Like your uncle dies. Take one month off and then go back to normal.

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Village Square / Re: Bijuu rules modification: Case 2
« on: May 04, 2014, 11:20:29 PM »
No you cannot do this every month. Just once in the case of said things.

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It won't be a once a month thing. They can do it once a year.

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Village Square / Bijuu rules modification: Case 2
« on: May 04, 2014, 10:36:44 PM »
So say you're a bijuu holder and have always followed the rules as they are, but suddenly your dog gets married and his wife is having puppies. You cannot miss this time of his life for the world, yet you can't post a wonderful one liner in any zone. Well this is where this modification will come into play. Excusable absence. As in someone dies, you're getting married. Basically emotional/rl issues are too much to deal with.

So I want to propose that you can extend the posting from every two weeks to once that month in which you pick the day. No you cannot do this every month. Just once in the case of said things.

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Village Square / Re: Bijuu rules modification: Case 1
« on: May 04, 2014, 10:30:35 PM »
I am not intending to personally attack any bijuu holder, but you guys should and do know the rules as you've all been saying. I understand you all have a life, but if you cannot fulfill the rules set then maybe a bijuu isn't for you. I wouldn't be so persistent on the matter, except this isn't a new problem, this has been an ongoing one where you guys just don't seem to care and make excuse after excuse as to why you can't post.

-> Pick any zone
-> Have 100000 anbu with you
-> Wait a day
-> Leave and go on your merry way

Yujo is a good example as he just posted one-liners and left after.

Not asking you to write a short story. Get in the zone, post a one liner, wait, leave.

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Village Square / Bijuu rules modification: Case 1
« on: May 04, 2014, 09:59:29 AM »
So the foremost issue that I want to address with these rules is that the hosts have to rp outside of their village. Some are for it and others are against it. It has been discussed why it was made this way, but many are too lazy and thickheaded to go back and look.

So, thoughts on this?

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Village Square / Re: Snake Contract
« on: May 04, 2014, 09:46:30 AM »
Yeah I jumped the gun and undid it. Sorry about that.

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Village Square / Re: Snake Contract
« on: May 04, 2014, 09:42:25 AM »
I edited that out. I had originally done that when you deleted everything and quit for the day, but soon after go rid of it cause hell it wasn't mine to take.

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Village Square / Re: The lazy Jinchūriki of sl
« on: May 03, 2014, 08:54:18 PM »
I do RP within my village. Currently, I am only having one-liners because I am actually waiting on Dart and co. to finish because he and I are supposed to be working on something. << Well more than two weeks ago, Xiarawst and I gave him an order to investigate something, and he is still working on it.

In my character's RP, I am in Kirigakure and haven't any logical reason to leave. It wouldn't occur to me as being a danger to Kiri, it would appear as if I were protecting by being present. Further, there are duties which as a higher-up of Kirigakure I have to do every so often.


Ohh. Yeah.. I do a lot of RP in dwellings. That's why I'm so thrown off. It hadn't occurred to me.

For the sake of argument, Dart and I will post outside of Kirigakure once he is done with his RP in Kiri. After such, I'll look into the context of this rule more and try and compose some thoughts.

As you wait you can take one day to post in zone 2. I'm sure his rp will take a few more days to complete.
Just take a walk that's it. Take 100 anbu with you. Once again we don't care as long as you follow the rules.

You are really persistent on getting me out of Kirigakure, sir.
I've told you what I'm going to do; Dart's RP is going to be done soon. I don't have a reason to just go on a random walk; it isn't how I am. This is a nice compromise, especially since after such RP I fully intend on arguing against this rule.

I'm persistent on getting you all to follow a rule that no one until now took the risk of being looked down upon to enforce it.

As long as it doesn't take more days than you claim to have it done in, I'm fine with it.

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Village Square / Re: The lazy Jinchūriki of sl
« on: May 03, 2014, 08:48:00 PM »
I do RP within my village. Currently, I am only having one-liners because I am actually waiting on Dart and co. to finish because he and I are supposed to be working on something. << Well more than two weeks ago, Xiarawst and I gave him an order to investigate something, and he is still working on it.

In my character's RP, I am in Kirigakure and haven't any logical reason to leave. It wouldn't occur to me as being a danger to Kiri, it would appear as if I were protecting by being present. Further, there are duties which as a higher-up of Kirigakure I have to do every so often.


Ohh. Yeah.. I do a lot of RP in dwellings. That's why I'm so thrown off. It hadn't occurred to me.

For the sake of argument, Dart and I will post outside of Kirigakure once he is done with his RP in Kiri. After such, I'll look into the context of this rule more and try and compose some thoughts.

As you wait you can take one day to post in zone 2. I'm sure his rp will take a few more days to complete.
Just take a walk that's it. Take 100 anbu with you. Once again we don't care as long as you follow the rules.

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Village Square / Re: The lazy Jinchūriki of sl
« on: May 03, 2014, 08:39:22 PM »



Our village board is literally a constant OOC party. You haven't any sight at all as to what my duties are, because most of what I am referring to is behind the scenes actions that work in subtlety.

You aren't the correct authority to be telling me whether or not I have duties within Kirigakure; that would be the current Mizukage, Xiarawst. We could certainly ask him.

Sorry, I didn't see the first time you posted the link.
I still don't see the context for the reasoning behind why we should have to post outside our village. It is standalone within this list; there is no contextual discussion about it that I can find. Perhaps, as you are looking in the wrong places for my duties, I am looking in the wrong places for context.

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,7846.135.html

Reply 121 to about 142. especially 142, which sums of my own argument for this in the context that we originally discussed it.

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,7870.30.html

Reply 40 to about 44, once again, especially 44, which again sums up my reasoning during the context of the conversation.

And in regards to that, if it is not public knowledge, then, as far as the rule is concerned, it is not valid consideration for activity. If you could just post in dwellings (or claim to do so) and call it even, then the rule would be pointless.

Eric our archiver of the forums ^

Thank you sir.

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Village Square / Re: The Sky isn't Blue
« on: May 03, 2014, 08:38:00 PM »
Just because something is in the rules on this forum doesn't mean that it is indisputable. There are rules on this site which are awful and totally incorrect.

What my post concerned was not your acquisition of Edo Tensei--if you read it correctly, I am of the opinion that you should have knowledge of it anyhow.

But I don't think the Human Path is something which can be used to "pirate techniques" in general. I think it could work for Edo Tensei, because it is essentially a recipe not a technique, but other things.. I'm not convinced.

Well those are the rules any who cared to offer their input at the time came up with and are the rules every user of Edo Tensei is following. So you can certainly petition that the community needs to change those rules and I wish you luck with that.

I agree with you though, I said as much myself, about stealing techniques. If you Human Realmed Jiraiya you would have a very nice mental cheat sheet on how to master the Rasengan, but you would still have to work on it yourself.

Edo Tensei is just a kind of recipe, like you said, where you just need to throw a few ingredients together and you have a zombie.

There are plenty of rules that need updating. Communities evolve and change, ebb and flow. It really shouldn't be just my job to petition they be changed, especially if it is clear that they are wrong.

If you have an issue with something and no one else is doing something about it, I'd still make a thread about it. Sometimes people just need a push, like our current jink thread. This is off topic though. ~

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Village Square / Re: The lazy Jinchūriki of sl
« on: May 03, 2014, 08:34:13 PM »
"As far as you can tell."

It is quite apparent that how far you can tell as to my duties is not very far.
There are things going on in Kirigakure that require both Dart and myself to remain in the city for a little while. Just because you do not see things does not mean they are not happening.

Heck. It shouldn't be too hard to guess that Dart, Xia, and I have something going on within Kirigakure, especially with that scumbag on the loose again.

So, direct me to the context of the rule.


As far as auto-entering goes, I think Kiri unanimously accepts Kamui, or other methods, as a viable way to enter Kiri. But, if we find you within the walls and aren't happy about your presence, we usually get upset. Essentially, yeah, you can teleport into Kiri. But if we find you, don't get upset if we attack first and ask questions later.

I am in the clan and can see the village board. My sight to your duties is pretty solid, you have none.  Even if you did it takes you one day to do this every two weeks. That's it.

Once again the link; http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,7870.0.html

The village teleportation via kamui is allowed by most, just they usually have a way to detect you even if you use it.

Our village board is literally a constant OOC party. You haven't any sight at all as to what my duties are, because most of what I am referring to is behind the scenes actions that work in subtlety.

You aren't the correct authority to be telling me whether or not I have duties within Kirigakure; that would be the current Mizukage, Xiarawst. We could certainly ask him.

Sorry, I didn't see the first time you posted the link.
I still don't see the context for the reasoning behind why we should have to post outside our village. It is standalone within this list; there is no contextual discussion about it that I can find. Perhaps, as you are looking in the wrong places for my duties, I am looking in the wrong places for context.

I'm not telling you if you have any, just looks like you don't. Anywho, trashing that.

Setting aside the fact of rping in your own village, you don't even do that. So even if you could slide by and rp in your own village you still wouldn't be following correct rules until as of yesterday with that one liner. The point of having you rp outside the village has been said. So we wouldn't have to wage a full scale attack just to get to you. You claim to be a protector of your village yet when we add in a rule to make you rp away from your village instead of for it, you are utterly against it.

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