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Village Square / Re: Bunretsu no Jitsu (Fission Technique)

« on: December 19, 2014, 04:12:29 AM »

@Eric: Oh, I see what you mean by the word "clone" then. Then in that sense, I definitely can see what you mean by not upping the turns. Training both bodies then forming together would become a problem, yes, but that is one advantage to the technique. So then instead of doubling it to 6 actions, perhaps just one more? Make it 4 actions?

Ah yes, see I did not know how your mechanics work with your summons but thank you for clarifying.

@Machina: And yet ALL kekkai genkai ARE advanced nature transformation. Thus making them a COMPLEX technique. It explicitly states that it prevents Mū from using such as he only possessed HALF of his total strength, chakra, ability, etc.

And even if a Sharingan can achieve the MS state, using it's subsequent abilities (Kamui, Amaterasu, Tsukiyomi, Susanoo) should NOT be able for use as they are the HIGHEST techniques available for that particular dōjutsu.

@Bocc: Tsuyo attempted to Human Path the Rakudo body as you were trying to do the same to him but he hit you first. So you split into Cmage and used the SAME path and SAME eyes to do the same to him. And somehow some shenanigans were had. But regardless, you fought as Cmage only attempting to use that path and stuck to basic elemental natural transformation techs.

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Village Square / Re: Bunretsu no Jitsu (Fission Technique)

« on: December 19, 2014, 01:43:24 AM »

@Bocc: Speed isn't always everything. And just claiming you're more "buffed" than they are when they used the technique doesn't change the fact that they will continue to fight at full strength, using such abilities as Amaterasu and Mokuton in a fight with HALF of their chakra and ability.

And I'm surprised you said anything against it since it was your character whom I was referring. During the fight with Tsuyo [with Rakudo] for the Nibi, you used this technique in this virtually exact manner.



@All: Despite "proficiency" within a field, it isnt possible to employ full results when you're only working with half of the equipment.

@Eric: It isn't a clone, though. It's literally a split person and really the only givable boost to the technique I can think of that would make the rest of its [proposed] limitations doable. That's why I propose the actions be doubled.

And correct me if I'm wrong, [I very well could be because I didn't fully analyze your fighting posts], but how is that any different than you and your summons having multiple actions yourselves?

And if their Rinnegan did shift during the fight from its Sharingan state, then I could see how it would be forced to revert. But, again, there needs to be a balance between powering down and a complete rebuff.

@All, again: Now don't get me wrong, I'm not against the technique at all. I could see how useful it could be used, i.e, using to split from say an offensive Kamui. But it isn't being used in a manner that respects its debuffs that are officially stated. It's just one of those techs that need monitored and then gently reminded that it isn't how it is suppose to work when it's being abused.

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Village Square / Re: Bunretsu no Jitsu (Fission Technique)

« on: December 18, 2014, 04:25:56 PM »

It isn't like their eyes would disappear. The dōjutsu would only be able use their most basic abilities. Such as see chakra, track movement, etc.

But their other abilities cannot be used. Such as Kamui, Kaiten, multiple path formation, etc.


In hindsight, I do agree with that idea on Rinne users only allowed weakened Deva path.


The reason for KG inability is because it is still an advanced nature transformation. A complex ability. And it even states that Mū is unable to use such. Hell, it took him forever to finally summon one ET when he had been split. He was severely weakened in ability and I feel it should be the same here.

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Village Square / Bunretsu no Jitsu (Fission Technique)

« on: December 18, 2014, 03:58:03 PM »

Alright guys, I've been lurking and watching to see how this jutsu would be applied to the SLverse. And from what I've seen, its being abused rather terribly. So, I'd like to make a proposition to nerf the technique based upon the context of what of actually does.

First, the technique description itself:

"This technique allows Mū to literally split his own body into two identical yet entirely independent duplicates of himself. Unlike Clone Techniques that only appear to be similar, the ability is instead a physical separation and so does not require hand seals to activate, making it faster in comparison as a result. This also means that even if one is incapacitated, the other remains completely unaffected and as neither can truly be regarded as the original, the duplicates cannot be dispelled like normal clones. However, while split, Mū's power is halved and as such he is unable to use more complex techniques like his Dust Release kekkei tōta."

Now, it seems pretty self explanatory to here on how it should be used and yet I've only seen one shinobi actually adhere to this description.

Second, the proposition:

Cons:
•ALL abilities are HALVED.
  °This includes physical strength.

•ALL chakra is HALVED.

•NO kekkai genkai advanced techniques.
  °No Mokuton, Hyōton, other elemental kgs.
  °Dōjutsu ARE affected.
    -Sharingan loses all advanced abilities and reverts to three tomoe state.
    -Rinnegan only may use ONE path.
    -Byakugan lose the ability to use Jūken ability and techniques.

•Jinchūriki CANNOT use this technique.
  °It violates the splitting of a bijū's chakra rule. Since the technique is literally splitting everything about the person, the bijū would be split, too.

•Losing either half results in permanent character debuff.
  °If a half is seal, could have another break the seal and then rejoin with half.
  °If destroyed, well, you're out of luck.

•NO dōjutsu shifting.
  °Pretty exclusive to the Sharingan <> Rinnegan shift. You split with one or the other active and that remains the eyes until rejoined.

Pros:
•Double the amount of actions per post. (6 actions total)

•Life-saving maneuver to avoid a total deathblow.

•Faster than Bunshin no Jutsu.

•Still have access to basic elemental ninjutsu.

•Hachimon still usable though strength halved.

•Sennin Modō still available.
  °Unless split during mode, then chakra/nature energy is halved and time available is halved.

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Excuse Me: 2 bijuu challenges at the same time?

« on: December 09, 2014, 06:22:12 AM »

I'm in support for only one challenge at a time despite how the match may be. (IC or OOC)

The only exception being if a person happens to have two beasts and gets challenged for each beastie.

With the above example, I also say you can only challenge for one beastie at a time. If a person is in possession of two or more and gets killed, then the beasts go back to the clan and the head of the clan (or heads/council/etc.) will decide what to do with them.

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Village Square / Re: Opening: Sunagakure's Kazekage

« on: October 09, 2014, 08:39:16 PM »

OMG!

I totally meant nominated!

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Village Square / Re: Opening: Sunagakure's Kazekage

« on: October 09, 2014, 09:19:10 AM »

I would dominate Kayenta for re-active duty.

Daichi seems fairly active as well though I don't know much of his history. Inu is definitely a good choice as well.

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Village Square / Re: Not Doing It.

« on: October 08, 2014, 07:40:34 AM »

No, it doesn't at all.

I'm not going to associate myself with somewho has verball abused and harassed me. Whom still continues to do it now.

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Village Square / Not Doing It.

« on: October 08, 2014, 07:19:24 AM »

Posting this now.

I will NOT under any circumstances accept ANY challenges from Bocchiere or any of his accounts.

We do NOT get along and I do NOT have to be roleplay with him if I so choose to do so. Even states so according to the rules. As you are all aware, we do NOT get along in any facet and as such, any encounters has turned into petty squabbles, heated fights, and downright mudslinging and verbal abuse on BOTH ends.

It is my right as jinchūriki to decline any challenge from some I do NOT get along with and I will NOT be forced to communicate with him.

So, just putting this out there for y'all to see.

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Village Square / Re: Bijuu Rules Clarification

« on: October 03, 2014, 11:13:50 AM »

If we go with the summoning deal, then it's only fair that the summoner not also be a Jinchūriki. It is one or the other.

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Village Square / Re: Bijuu Rules Clarification

« on: September 27, 2014, 01:32:41 PM »

It's both, Eric.

Disagree with bijū as a summon. It's a damn tailed beast meant to be used as a source of chakra, as an ally in battle, and another form of power via transformations.

Though if it's going to continue to be a thing, then the "rules" should continue to be the same that a strong Genjutsu, of any variety, is able to control the beast.

It's even more bs that one person has more than one beast. I could care less whom that may be. It needs to be one (1) bijū per person.  It's entirely unfair. We don't need another Zenaku reign. And again, both "rule" sets imply that you can only challenge for one beast at a time.

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Village Square / Re: Bijuu Rules Clarification

« on: September 26, 2014, 11:08:35 AM »

Again, not going to post so as to not "insult" you.

And that's your opinion. You already stated it. So I'm waiting to hear from the others.

It seems you've forgotten that Bocchiere DOES NOT equal SL Community. You're but one guy of one mind and one opinion. You don't run anything, you don't make any rules, and you're not even a moderator.

And your opinion on my questions has very little to do with what was said. You're somply trolling to troll because you don't like me. Let's try to be more productive here.

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Village Square / Re: Bijuu Rules Clarification

« on: September 26, 2014, 10:06:06 AM »

Wow, you really had to dig deep for that. Jeeze, there's no need to read into everything I type.

First, my phone automatically corrects Bocchiere to Bocchiball, so I hadn't even realized. My bad on that one.

Second, those are turn of phrases were I'm from. Neither demeaning or dismissive in nature. Literally means I have nothing to say nor wish to interact with him.

I'm not even going to comment on the blatant arrogance of your last comment, Bocchiere, less you think I was insulting you again.


Either way, this isn't a topic to be trolled/insulted/ganged up on/argue, etc. this is literally about getting the bijū "rules" in sync so let's stick to to the actual topic then?

Which is this:

I disagree with bijūs as a summon entirely. Why should someone be forced to fight the same person twice for two different beasties? Makes no sense at all.

It would be fighting two bijū at once with a summon and a Jinchūriki. The bijū should just be sealed within a host within the week's time span and get rid of the summoning ordeal altogether.

Plus, if you're a jinchūriki and you also possess a bijū summon, your challenger can really only choose one bijū as the rules imply. Even though it isn't implicitly stated.


As such, we should also address that issue. It isn't fair to have someone possess more than one bijū or for a jinchūriki to fight for another bijū, especially if it is within the IC route. That makes the challenge almost impossible for you have to fight not only the character, but also two bijū as well.

And it just isn't fair. There are nine (9) beasts so there should nine (9) separate hosts. Not everyone gets along with everyone on the site and as such they shouldn't be forced to roleplay/talk/handle/deal with them more than they should.

Oh, 10! I forgot the Reibi. Sorry Trev!

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Village Square / Re: Bijuu Rules Clarification

« on: September 26, 2014, 08:39:41 AM »

I disagree with bijūs as a summon entirely. Why should someone be forced to fight the same person twice for two different beasties? Makes no sense at all.

It would be fighting two bijū at once with a summon and a Jinchūriki. The bijū should just be sealed within a host within the week's time span and get rid of the summoning ordeal altogether.

And I'm waiting for all the opinions and thoughts are hashed out before I "make a choice" on which "rules" to follow. Nothing has truly changed. And I'm active daily.

So don't mention me again, Bocchiball, especially when you're wrong. I simply forgot to reply for I have much more important things to deal with that speak to you about nothing.

Thank for being insulting and antagonistic for no reason. That's super helpful.

If you kill someone in a fight for their bijuu they'd be dead so I don't know how you think you'd be fighting the same person twice. Or we can just say if you beat them you get summoned bijuu too.

You read a pm I sent you something like 2 weeks ago and never responded. How ridiculous of me to assume you were ignoring me considering how reasonable you've been in the past. 

Where exactly is there an insult?


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Yea, that was literally sent three (3) days ago. I've ben busy with much more issues than your question.



The highlighted portion in Bocchiball's quote is in contention as well. Because that's only IF the route for bijū is agreed upon to be IC. Not everyone wants every single time to be IC as it is indeed more time consuming. Some want OOC and some want a mix.

Plus, if you're a jinchūriki and you also possess a bijū summon, your challenger can really only choose one bijū as the rules imply. Even though it isn't implicitly stated.


As such, we should also address that issue. It isn't fair to have someone possess more than one bijū or for a jinchūriki to fight for another bijū, especially if it is within the IC route. That makes the challenge almost impossible for you have to fight not only the character, but also two bijū as well.

And it just isn't fair. There are nine (9) beasts so there should nine (9) separate hosts. Not everyone gets along with everyone on the site and as such they shouldn't be forced to roleplay/talk/handle/deal with them more than they should.

Oh, 10! I forgot the Reibi. Sorry Trev!

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Village Square / Re: Bijuu Rules Clarification

« on: September 26, 2014, 07:33:58 AM »

I disagree with bijūs as a summon entirely. Why should someone be forced to fight the same person twice for two different beasties? Makes no sense at all.

It would be fighting two bijū at once with a summon and a Jinchūriki. The bijū should just be sealed within a host within the week's time span and get rid of the summoning ordeal altogether.

And I'm waiting for all the opinions and thoughts are hashed out before I "make a choice" on which "rules" to follow. Nothing has truly changed. And I'm active daily.

So don't mention me again, Bocchiball, especially when you're wrong. I simply forgot to reply for I have much more important things to deal with that speak to you about nothing.