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Roleplay => All That Is Bijuu => Council => Topic started by: Camel on February 16, 2017, 05:29:28 AM
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Why is this becoming prevalent in bijuu matches? Why are those that know about this are willingly turn a blind eye at this?
This is what I am speaking about. Mail 1 (http://i.imgur.com/sT4qlug.png). Mail 2 (http://i.imgur.com/GSXBwtW.png). Mail 3 (http://i.imgur.com/qibyiPA.png).
Now this beg the question. How is this ethical for a jinchuuriki to act when it basically sets everyone back that tries to earn a bijuu all on their own? I'll answer it for you, it isn't ethical at all to do that. However Shadow has pointed out that there is no rule from preventing this and he was aware of things going down like that, so a council member isn't unbiased anymore if you look at it from his perspective. It's a shit show and he can agree that it is pretty much making everything around here not fun anymore.
The way that I see it is by doing of this crap here, you're basically preventing from other newer players from one day achieving heir dreams of being a jinchuuriki. Unless you of course, happen to be acquainted with that jinchuuriki then you can count on having a chance of winning that beast you are aiming for. Now is that a fair and fighting chance?
Quite frankly I am tired of doing a damn good job at promoting RP and this kind of stuff goes around unchecked. I never even pulled something like this and if I did, you can bet that I would've been the center of the topic like right now.
I expect to be called every name in the book by exposing this, already have been called a terrible zone fighter by bringing this up. So what the hell? Lay it on me, verbally abuse me to get your jollies off and throw salt my way. I need the seasoning at this moment. (I found out that I needed more sodium in my diet.)
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However Shadow has pointed out that there is no rule from preventing this and he was aware of things going down like that, so a council member isn't unbiased anymore if you look at it from his perspective.
This is true and I won't argue with you about most of it except the last part of me being biased as a council member. I'm not sure how this affects it any.
As said there is no rule. I've told you it is a very underhanded tactic and one that I would vote to ban in future fights.
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However Shadow has pointed out that there is no rule from preventing this and he was aware of things going down like that, so a council member isn't unbiased anymore if you look at it from his perspective.
This is true and I won't argue with you about most of it except the last part of me being biased as a council member. I'm not sure how this affects it any.
As said there is no rule. I've told you it is a very underhanded tactic and one that I would vote to ban in future fights.
Like I said in our mails, man. There should be some sort of transparency in all of this. The fact that a council member knew about it and didn't speak up or bring it into question is proof enough that some bias exist in our roster.
I am actually considering calling a vote on this, because I don't appreciate the underhanded tactics to get what that player wants. I am pretty sure that you can say that this is very unethical to be pulling on the community that is slowly dwindling; this sort of thing has an impact on the playerbase.
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That stuff's always gone on, ever since SLS formed. There's always been a group of haves and have nots, as well as a group of people who just don't care. My belief is that it always falls down to a lack of a system and power levels. Because we have no system, basically it's me arguing that my character is a gorillion time better at something than yours, and vice versa. It always seems to boil down to a mudslinging match and maybe, if you're lucky, one of them will explode and get banned like Bocc finally did.
This usually ends up with people either losing interest and quitting or just claiming more OC donuts in order to fit in with the crowd. I mean, who's going to keep climbing a mountain of someone at the top is constantly pouring lube and feces down your way? And also, there's no one stopping anyone from making an account, slapping some DP onto it to make it pretty, and then claiming this that and anything else. People would rather start with endgame gear and coast there (kind of like the whole casual video game scene). But can it be fixed? Maybe. I sure as hell have no idea how though. I just add names to the list of people I won't bother RPing with as a solution and that works for me.
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Shadow has pointed out that there is no rule from preventing this and he was aware of things going down like that
So this topic is about nothing? Glad we cleared that up. :roll:
It's a Free For All, that means if we want to work together to eliminate people and better our own odds of winning we can.
How is it preventing new players from being a Jinchuriki when, #1 New players don't challenge for bijuu and, #2 99.99% of bijuu fights are not multi-man free for alls? For good reason I might add, as we see this fight is awful. Basically any fight is multiplicatively worse the more people there are involved if people are actually trying to win.
@Shadow You'd be banning what exactly? Being intelligent in a battle? What if we actually have an IC connection like Jay, you and I. We just have to ignore that we're allies IC and murder each other while people we have no attachment to are still alive? It doesn't make any sense. We're supposed to be ninjas right? Underhanded tactics are the literally the definition of what we're supposed to be doing. Remember Kisame murdering all his allies so Konoha couldn't get codes out of them? That's a real ninja. Honestly I'd say just completely ban any multiple person bijuu matches they should be 1v1, if we think this is a problem.
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However Shadow has pointed out that there is no rule from preventing this and he was aware of things going down like that, so a council member isn't unbiased anymore if you look at it from his perspective.
This is true and I won't argue with you about most of it except the last part of me being biased as a council member. I'm not sure how this affects it any.
As said there is no rule. I've told you it is a very underhanded tactic and one that I would vote to ban in future fights.
Like I said in the mail, man. There should be some sort of transparency in all of this. The fact that a council member knew about it and didn't speak up or bring it into question is proof enough that some bias exist in our roster.
I am actually considering calling a vote on this, because I don't appreciate the underhanded tactics to get what that player wants. I am pretty sure that you can say that this is very unethical to be pulling on the community that is slowly dwindling; this sort of thing has an impact on the playerbase.
I still don't consider it a bias so much as me having a differing opinion on it. I knew of it, but there is nothing in place that says it can't happen as it has before.
The community is on the site, not here on the forums. Every player I meet; new or old. I always tell them to stay away from here as it's just one big shit show. Stay on the site and enjoy rp'ing there with friends. This is not a community friendly place to me.
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I'm also adding that once the two fights are over that I am rescind from everything bijuu and stepping down as a council members. It's not fun to me anymore.
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I shall say my peace on this since these are my messages being used.
I only agreed to focus on Yūjō as a "team" effort in the hope that I would be left alone enough for me to use my AoE abilities so I can hit everyone equally. Also, him and I have never had a good track record of association so I figured I'd try to get Athos to 1v1 him to knock him out of the fight. Once he was excluded from the fight due to inactivity, however, I never agreed to going up against Kamui. Period.
With that said, my original intent in fighting in this brawl was to just have some fun that seems to be sorely lacking when it comes to these "major" events. As such, all I originally care for was having a good, fair fight.
Once the judges starting getting involved and making decisions that weren't wholeheartedly fair (i.e. the instantaneous Sage entrance for Athos but denying Kamui his), that's when I started becoming more emotionally attached to the fight. However, it wasn't until Athos and I started arguing that my intent changed entirely. At that point, I did want to win by any means necessary.
I will admit that I did not handle our arguments very well. In fact, I handled them very poorly, childishly, and unprofessionally. That is why I bowed out of the fight and sent these mails to Kamui and Eric. I was not emotionally equipped to bring up this subject and I was tired of being stressed out IRL over a silly game over fake stuff.
However, Kamui, you neglect to mention that I, too, am a Council Member and I knew about this dishonest and dishonorable tactic. Now granted, I did tell you and the Judge about it, but as Shadow states, there is no "official rule" that was broken.
Stepping back from being a friend and a player and viewing this situation as an unattached Council Member.... I cannot see anything being done about this situation. We could convene and choose to ban this from occurring from another FFA, but that decision would not affect the current fight, unfortunately.
All we can do is prevent another situation from happening.
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Let's just ban Bijuu fights being anything but 1v1. There is no benefit to making it multiple people. If it's a situation like the Mazo again just have a tournament. The tournies for the bijuu worked, the Mazo FFA did not. That's not a coincidence.
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Let's just ban Bijuu fights being anything but 1v1. There is no benefit to making it multiple people. If it's a situation like the Mazo again just have a tournament. The tournies for the bijuu worked, the Mazo FFA did not. That's not a coincidence.
For once, I agree with you.
I would add an addendum to this idea and prevent Edo Tensei from being used in Bijū Matches as that would put it Xv1.
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Let's just ban Bijuu fights being anything but 1v1. There is no benefit to making it multiple people. If it's a situation like the Mazo again just have a tournament. The tournies for the bijuu worked, the Mazo FFA did not. That's not a coincidence.
+1
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Like Shadow eloquently put it, this isn't becoming fun anymore and the community has changed over the years. The grim reality is that old players will leave and new players will come at the advice of the older players. Now it already at the point that these older players tell the newer players to stay away from the game and stick with their groups.
Look everyone, I don't want this site becoming like Legend of Bleach. Dead and no one on, nothing. Not a single player and not a single RP that is currently on-going. Which is likely to happen once I decide to up and leave this site. However you can bet that I will try to steer newer players towards the site, that way they can mold their creativity on here and hopefully one day become a "Shinobi Legend"
Athos's tactics are what holding us back from attracting a wider range of players that happen to be a fan of the show itself. I would like to impose a ban on anything like what Athos tried to do and make it an offense for anyone trying to pull that stunt like he did.
If I could I would call for a ban of bijuu, but we're already at that point where that idea is likely to fail.
PS: If we ban bijuu multi-fights on here, I want them banned on the server too. Because after all the idea for a tournament was thrown out there, but everyone decided on this FFA.
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Oh yeah, Legend of Bleach, I wanted to make a character over there but it wasn't anybody on over there.... I'm gonna go check now... yups, nobody is on. T.T Poor bleach.
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Look everyone, I don't want this site becoming like Legend of Bleach. Dead and no one on, nothing. Not a single player and not a single RP that is currently on-going. Which is likely to happen once I decide to up and leave this site.
Handsome AND modest? Please ladies, form a single-file line, there's enough Camel to go around.
So yeah let's make a vote topic to limit all bijuu fights to 1v1 then.
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Handsome AND modest? Please ladies, form a single-file line, there's enough Camel to go around.
So yeah let's make a vote topic to limit all bijuu fights to 1v1 then.
It's attitudes like that that have been driving people away for years. Me included when I left back in 2010ish.
Hopefully, the new Boruto anime might bring a few new faces here...But if it stays they way it is, I don't see them lasting long <_<
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*rubs temples*
Rather than add moreso onto this:
1) A different judge, who was a Council Member, was accepted as the judge of the FFA. That was against the rules, and when brought up, said judge was replaced. If a Biju rule is violated and it is brought to light, the Council as a whole has the duty to enforce the rule, the simplest at this point being just don't do the biju ball related technique while there is a rule saying that no tailed beast balls may be used outside of tailed beast mode.
2) Finally, the cat is finally freed from its bag. Glad that's no longer floating behind the ship.
I don't need to repeat any of the stuff that has been said, and I don't feel like sprinkling too much of my opinion here since it's more on the experimental nature of the FFA than anything else. Most of the FFA issues have been player-player, very rarely has every player piled in and gotten into a heated discussion on this FFA. If that doesn't tell you something, nothing else about this FFA will.
3) Hm... Kayenta stepped down, Dato, Kamui, and Shadow are directly involved in the FFA... Hm, Council suddenly starting to look small again. It would come down to a vote between Hades, Trev, and Ace. And that's if there is no abstaining or inactivity occurence.
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Unrelated, but I noticed it in the other topic. I actually like WWE :) I know it's all fake, but it's fun to watch. I haven't really watched it in several years, but I actually went to the live show when Eddie Gurerro sprayed the Big Show with that septic truck when I was a teen.
But I don't agree with 'scripted' matches completely. Sometimes, for story's sake, I think that there should be a 'winner' and 'loser'...But that can be used to build up a character via RP. Like a new guy goes after a bandit and gets beaten badly uses that experience to drive his character forward so that he can turn the tables when he challenges the bandit again. Or if I was playing a bad guy. Sure, I might win a few times, but I know I will have to lose eventually for the sake of the story. :)
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Handsome AND modest? Please ladies, form a single-file line, there's enough Camel to go around.
So yeah let's make a vote topic to limit all bijuu fights to 1v1 then.
It's attitudes like that that have been driving people away for years. Me included when I left back in 2010ish.
Hopefully, the new Boruto anime might bring a few new faces here...But if it stays they way it is, I don't see them lasting long <_<
I feel like you've missed a real opportunity here to make fun of Kamui for actively blackmailing me and then 5 minutes later acting like he is the paragon of all that is good on SL. Not telling you how to do your job but I feel like you misjudged that one.
I'm at the "Fiddling while Rome burns" level currently so I'm totally down for the site just shutting down. Things have "been the way they are" the whole time. What exactly would we be missing out on? Bad rp and being forced to interact with people you can't stand? Move over Elysian Fields.
It's the internet, we could all easily leave the site and keep in contact with people we actually like with next to no effort. Nothing here justifies staying we just all do it anyway.
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If somebody doesn't hurry up and unlock the thread so I can do my thing >.<
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If somebody doesn't hurry up and unlock the thread so I can do my thing >.<
I'll leave that up to Eric to do.
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If somebody doesn't hurry up and unlock the thread so I can do my thing >.<
Sorry, I didn't realize it was still locked. I'll get that.
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Blackmail is nothing more than just taking a picture of someone who went fishing and snagged their own pants. I guess that he probably should have talked to the other staff members about it than airing it all out, but he had his own reason for doing what he did.
But man, that sucks to hear you have that kind of attitude about it. We all come here for some reason. Probably to splooge out creative juices out somewhere instead of playing a real MMO like Runescape <_< If you're here, shouldn't you at least care about the general state of things? Shouldn't you want to have fun with other people?
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I'll wait for Senpai to do his thing then... whoops nevermind, he saw it
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I'll wait for Senpai to do his thing then... whoops nevermind, he saw it
"Senpai" is waiting for your Valley of the End reply, unless you did it earlier today and I missed it.
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So getting kind of off topic guys. :/
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So getting kind of off topic guys. :/
Right.
Basically, the Biju Council would be called upon to, rule on some sort of arbtirary punishment for going against the spirit of the FFA? Again, it's not against the rules, but it can be made one by a Community vote. However, the FFA would be unaffected by the latter since it would only take effect after the vote.
All joking aside, if this is seriously going to be done, then Ace, Hades, and Trev will need a cohesive statement to read so that they know what the heck is going on and what they are voting on. Additionally, if this is going to become a rule proposal, then a new topic in the Rules section concerning this matter should be created with about a week and a half's time for voting.
Oh, and the matter with the volunteer(s) for biju council fill ins. Shadow leaving opens will open up a beast spot and Kayenta's vacancy is still, vacant. However that is handled, that should probably be secondary to any Decision that needs to be made by the still in the Council members.
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Blackmail is nothing more than just taking a picture of someone who went fishing and snagged their own pants. I guess that he probably should have talked to the other staff members about it than airing it all out, but he had his own reason for doing what he did.
But man, that sucks to hear you have that kind of attitude about it. We all come here for some reason. Probably to splooge out creative juices out somewhere instead of playing a real MMO like Runescape <_< If you're here, shouldn't you at least care about the general state of things? Shouldn't you want to have fun with other people?
I have fun with people. Bijuu fights are not fun and I'm not going to waste my time trying to make the SL equivalent of a root canal fun. It's a fool's errand.
As for caring about the site tried that for a good half decade, here we are now, pretty tired of wasting my time on that one.
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Bijuu fights could be easily fixed with simple implementation of dice rolls. It might end with some players unhappy with the results, but it's better than having a judge decide who's post they like better.
And that's saddening to see, Athos :( I've not been here for as long as other players, but I try my best to make RP as enjoyable for the players involved as it is for me. I genuinely care about this place and the other players, as it's my only real outlet for my creativity and it wouldn't work without them. There's been times were it feels like I'm fighting a losing battle, but once the few problems are ironed out things went smooth again. I don't always agree with how people play, but I try and compromise as well. If you truly feel that way, why not just leave right now?
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Like I said Bec very few of us could really justify why we're here but here we are all the same.
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If you get deeply involved in the matters of biju and get thrown into some really heated OOC situations, it can really take away your optimism regarding the site. That's why so many things biju are considered "toxic", to the point where even Tommi is like, "Wouldn't touch that with my susano'o sword wrapped up".
If you want to have fun in SL and keep your sanity, you gotta let go of that extremely competitive drive and its nasty habits, which is really hard to do in the RP aspect of this game when there are great stakes (biju, character lives, etc.). I stopped working on the IC rules not because I think that they would be unnecessary, but because I'd rather this domain be contained here than have the main site be the battlegrounds for them again.
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This is the problem nowadays, not a care in the world. Athos clearly doesn't care if his actions negatively effect anyone else and collecting those bijuus are the only thing that pretty much keeps him going--despite all of this coming from a bad zone fighter. Which is absolutely hilarious that he said that I blackmailed him, when he went around cheating and that backfired in the most hilarious way--you reap what you sow.
At this rate, I guess everyone wants SL to turn into LoB. Banning everything to strictly one vs one fights isn't going to change a damn thing, because this type of shenanigans is going to happen behind closed doors--until someone speaks up and points out the hypocrisy of those accused.
I get it that no one likes to lose, everyone hates it. But it will happen, it's part of learning experience of becoming a better player. I learned that if you display that kind of attitude that Athos just shown, you're only going to shine yourself in a negative light. If you can't compromise and feel that your "way" is the only route to truly win at bijuu matches, then why are you here? You're hurting the growth of the community by only catering to those that you consider as your friends. Why not let a stranger take reigns sometimes? Bijuu are noting more than a bragging right to stroke one's ego and it's getting annoying to argue everything to death until you win that bijuu.
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Which is absolutely hilarious that he said that I blackmailed him, when he went around cheating and that backfired in the most hilarious way--you reap what you sow.
I did nothing wrong, everyone agreed with that, and I did not suffer negatively in any way? xD
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Which is absolutely hilarious that he said that I blackmailed him, when he went around cheating and that backfired in the most hilarious way--you reap what you sow.
I did nothing wrong, everyone agreed with that, and I did not suffer negatively in any way? xD
Glad you admit that despite trying to cheat, it didn't effect anyone except those that you attempted to pull that stunt on. Despite you living in your own fantasy world, where you didn't do anything wrong.
Not a surprise to me at all at this point and you don't see me laughing about it. If anything, you're showing your true colors at this point and it isn't pretty at all, lol.
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I mean what Athos and Dart did wasn't really in the spirit of what the fight was supposed to be. However, there is no rule against it, and I'm fairly sure when this was discussed I noted the possibility of people teaming up. I figured it was going to happen and it did. But everyone wanted the FFA and you got what you wanted.
As for the other unrelated topic, SL is dying cause we're roleplaying off a manga that hasn't been super popular (In North America) for like a decade, and the main series is over. Also, I think a lot of SL's problems would be fixed if we had a strict disciplinary mod. I remember in the golden days of SL, it wasn't uncommon to get a mute for even being a little rude. Everyone is rude here cause there are no consequences. That would stop if mutes and bans were handed out more. Instead, everyone gets like 15+ warnings. In the old days, half of these cheap shot insults would have you muted like instantly. That's my two cents anyway >>
But I'll attempt to help things. What are you asking for Kamui? Everyone else stop talking to each other and laying insults. As Eric said, if you want this to be a vote. Dart's already out, I think I saw Shadow say he was done with biju, so do you want Athos dq'd? Mazo given to Jay by default? Just publically acknowledge what happened was not appropriate? Make a rule to stop this in the future?
Help the remnants of the council help you. That goes for everyone, what do you want to see from SL/ the biju. I'm usually fairly nice, but only when you guys actually want real change will something be done. There are many solutions to the issues SL faces, it's not hard to be nice, I promise. Deep down you all want change, if not, just go hit the delete button, cause bickering ain't getting it done for a lot of you.
Anyway, I'll attempt to get the council restructured somewhat. So if this thread has a specific goal, state it plainly as Eric suggest and the council will vote. If not, just please lock it.
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Which is absolutely hilarious that he said that I blackmailed him, when he went around cheating and that backfired in the most hilarious way--you reap what you sow.
I did nothing wrong, everyone agreed with that, and I did not suffer negatively in any way? xD
Glad you admit that despite trying to cheat, it didn't effect anyone except those that you attempted to pull that stunt on. Despite you living in your own fantasy world, where you didn't do anything wrong.
Not a surprise to me at all at this point and you don't see me laughing about it. If anything, you're showing your true colors at this point and it isn't pretty at all, lol.
I'm pretty sure doing something that everyone agreed I was allowed to do is the opposite of cheating. Trust me though if I knew you were going to cry about it so much I'd have just beaten you myself, like every other person whose ever fought you for a bijuu.
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FYI:
Athos wanted the team to be Athos, Jay, Taumaster, and Dart Vs. Yūjō and Kamui.
I was ok with the Yūjō part.
I was never ok with the Kamui part.
I mean what Athos and Dart did wasn't really in the spirit of what the fight was supposed to be. However, there is no rule against it, and I'm fairly sure when this was discussed I noted the possibility of people teaming up. I figured it was going to happen and it did. But everyone wanted the FFA and you got what you wanted.
As for the other unrelated topic, SL is dying cause we're roleplaying off a manga that hasn't been super popular (In North America) for like a decade, and the main series is over. Also, I think a lot of SL's problems would be fixed if we had a strict disciplinary mod. I remember in the golden days of SL, it wasn't uncommon to get a mute for even being a little rude. Everyone is rude here cause there are no consequences. That would stop if mutes and bans were handed out more. Instead, everyone gets like 15+ warnings. In the old days, half of these cheap shot insults would have you muted like instantly. That's my two cents anyway >>
But I'll attempt to help things. What are you asking for Kamui? Everyone else stop talking to each other and laying insults. As Eric said, if you want this to be a vote. Dart's already out, I think I saw Shadow say he was done with biju, so do you want Athos dq'd? Mazo given to Jay by default? Just publically acknowledge what happened was not appropriate? Make a rule to stop this in the future?
Help the remnants of the council help you. That goes for everyone, what do you want to see from SL/ the biju. I'm usually fairly nice, but only when you guys actually want real change will something be done. There are many solutions to the issues SL faces, it's not hard to be nice, I promise. Deep down you all want change, if not, just go hit the delete button, cause bickering ain't getting it done for a lot of you.
Anyway, I'll attempt to get the council restructured somewhat. So if this thread has a specific goal, state it plainly as Eric suggest and the council will vote. If not, just please lock it.
It would be nice to see a disciplinary mod but I believe that the only one who can do that is Ace. And he's been incredibly busy here lately.
I locked this because the insults and squabbling are picking up again.
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Also, I think a lot of SL's problems would be fixed if we had a strict disciplinary mod. I remember in the golden days of SL, it wasn't uncommon to get a mute for even being a little rude. Everyone is rude here cause there are no consequences. That would stop if mutes and bans were handed out more. Instead, everyone gets like 15+ warnings. In the old days, half of these cheap shot insults would have you muted like instantly. That's my two cents anyway >>
If I was any more strict, then you would have those that will say that I abusing my moderator powers. Sad, isn't it? I can't even do my job without some sort of constructive criticism and bad rapport from the individual that I am punishing. I don't mind the criticism, but man I can't stand it when that person does something wrong and I am the bad guy for correcting that behavior.
But I'll attempt to help things. What are you asking for Kamui? Everyone else stop talking to each other and laying insults. As Eric said, if you want this to be a vote. Dart's already out, I think I saw Shadow say he was done with biju, so do you want Athos dq'd? Mazo given to Jay by default? Just publicly acknowledge what happened was not appropriate? Make a rule to stop this in the future?
As much as Jay would ecstatic to win by default, it will only result in him giving it away to Athos that way he can attempt to do what Bochhi failed to do. No, no, no. I want this to be implemented into a rule that will curb this sort of behavior from occurring.
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Unlocked for Trev to reply to Kamui.
Please lock it after that discussion is over.
I'm going to bed. I suggest everyone else do the same so y'all can calm down.
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Also, I think a lot of SL's problems would be fixed if we had a strict disciplinary mod. I remember in the golden days of SL, it wasn't uncommon to get a mute for even being a little rude. Everyone is rude here cause there are no consequences. That would stop if mutes and bans were handed out more. Instead, everyone gets like 15+ warnings. In the old days, half of these cheap shot insults would have you muted like instantly. That's my two cents anyway >>
If I was any more strict, then you would have those that will say that I abusing my moderator powers. Sad, isn't it? I can't even do my job without some sort of constructive criticism and bad rapport from the individual that I am punishing. I don't mind the criticism, but man I can't stand it when that person does something wrong and I am the bad guy for correcting that behavior.
But I'll attempt to help things. What are you asking for Kamui? Everyone else stop talking to each other and laying insults. As Eric said, if you want this to be a vote. Dart's already out, I think I saw Shadow say he was done with biju, so do you want Athos dq'd? Mazo given to Jay by default? Just publicly acknowledge what happened was not appropriate? Make a rule to stop this in the future?
As much as Jay would ecstatic to win by default, it will only result in him giving it away to Athos that way he can attempt to do what Bochhi failed to do. No, no, no. I want this to be implemented into a rule that will curb this sort of behavior from occurring.
If that's the case Kamui, then I would hope you of all people could help for advocating a separate disciplinary mod. If you can't do it because of prexisting relationships, and Ace is busy, then SL is just running wild. That is highly irregular on most forum sites. So I don't know how anyone expects this site to work when the prisoners are running the prison. Cause I'd wager a fair amount of money, a majority of the people on this site, would shut up and triple check what they post on the forum if they faced like a week long mute and lost their biju/ fights. I bet a lot of people would pull a 180. So if you can't do it because people think you're tainted, and Ace is busy...well Neji or Ace need to find someone or nothing will change.
Anyway, on the more related note. So you're asking the council to implement a rule that would stop this sort of teaming up behavior? That's a fair and reasonable request, would probably get passed. Although if such a rule were put in place, it wouldn't have any effect on the current fight. So if you're asking for that, this thread can be locked and such a thing will be voted on as soon as the council is reconstructed. So unless I misunderstand the request, this is a wrap for now, and everyone should be focusing on voting on Neko/ trying to turn up some other candidates. As we would still be three short, two if Athos's gets in.
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So again I ask, what if your characters have IC relationships and are allies? We're going to make a rule to character control people into killing their allies before enemies because people get sad if they get teamed up on?
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If that's the case Kamui, then I would hope you of all people could help for advocating a separate disciplinary mod. If you can't do it because of prexisting relationships, and Ace is busy, then SL is just running wild. That is highly irregular on most forum sites. So I don't know how anyone expects this site to work when the prisoners are running the prison. Cause I'd wager a fair amount of money, a majority of the people on this site, would shut up and triple check what they post on the forum if they faced like a week long mute and lost their biju/ fights. I bet a lot of people would pull a 180. So if you can't do it because people think you're tainted, and Ace is busy...well Neji or Ace need to find someone or nothing will change.
I'll try to advocate some sort of strict disciplinary action against this sort of behavior, but you'll have guys like Athos that will say that I am abusing my privileges as a staff member. Ace is your best bet for anything to change and Neji isn't exactly involved in RP matters, just those that involved the sever itself.
Anyway, on the more related note. So you're asking the council to implement a rule that would stop this sort of teaming up behavior? That's a fair and reasonable request, would probably get passed. Although if such a rule were put in place, it wouldn't have any effect on the current fight. So if you're asking for that, this thread can be locked and such a thing will be voted on as soon as the council is reconstructed. So unless I misunderstand the request, this is a wrap for now, and everyone should be focusing on voting on Neko/ trying to turn up some other candidates. As we would still be three short, two if Athos's gets in.
I perfectly understand that even if this rule gets passed, it won't have any effect on that fight. I'll be content knowing that it can prevent this sort of crap from occurring in the future. I don't know if anyone else has any input, so I'll keep this thread open just in case Ace decides to respond. (I've sent him a mail about this thread.)
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So again I ask, what if your characters have IC relationships and are allies? We're going to make a rule to character control people into killing their allies before enemies because people get sad if they get teamed up on?
I think there is a difference between something like that happening organically, versus a team of people consulting and coordinating attacks against a very specific target via pm. Plus if it's a free for all, you should be trying to kill everyone. Not saying you have to go out of your way to kill Jay for instance. But in free for all's there shouldn't be high-level coordination between the parties involved. Else you're gonna get into the possibility of people putting their friends in said battle, to favor their side and element their opponents. Since you like wrestling, it would prevent a faction like say Evolution from entering the rumble, eliminating everyone, then letting Triple-H take them out. Excuse the outdated faction, haven't watched in so long >>
Of course, this is just my opinion and one out of 7 that will be used, so don't debate me too hard, cause what I say won't be law, just one vote. And this rule would only ever come into play if someone had the mails to prove it like Kamui did. So this rule would just be something on the books to look up if ever needed, but would be extremely hard for someone to prove.
But we can save all counter arguments for the actual voting thread that will come when the council is ok. Right now I just want to condense what the council will eventually be voting on, that is all.
@Kamui
I'll speak will Ace, and possibly Neji. This doesn't involve rp, this is a behavior issue and an issue of his site lacking authority to prevent abusive behavior. In my ideal scenario, you wouldn't have to touch anything behavioral, someone else will, so no complaints can come your way. If you're worried, don't do anything. We don't need any more issues. No is the time for fixing.
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Yeah you just dated yourself super hard xD the thing is they always do that. There's always a group and they always try and take everyone out. Usually what happens is someone takes out grunt one and grunt two and then gets eliminated by the leader who wins, or in a surprise upset all three allies get knocked out. Nobody whines about it because that's the nature of the beast.
I also think you're really overestimating our coordination here. We haven't talked to each other about posts or anything we basically just know we want to take Kamui out and that we're not going to argue each others posts. That's about it.
Organically anytime Athos and Jay were in a fight like this they'd take out everyone else so they could have a fight with each other.
What if there was a scenario where it was a 4 man FFA and no one is teaming up with each other. Persons A, B, C, D. A is fighting B and C is fighting D. However at the end of every one of his turns D turns and takes a pot shot at A and tries to hit him in his blindspot. Because why not? He needs to eliminate every one. A gets salty and claims D is collaborating with B. He asks for a judge decision to get him dq'd for teaming up. What do we do? Does a mod check their pm's to see if they're colluding? Does a judge character control D into attacking B an equal number of times? It's nonsense. It's just opening up another avenue for whining. There's no way to objectively make that call because for all we know they actually are texting each other and collaborating on the DL.
Honestly I'm surprised we're actually considering making an incredibly ill-defined rule about character controlling people's actions in a Battle Royale scenario because Kamui got salty.
It would cause many more problems than it ever fixes because it would be so easy to abuse. So just make it only 1v1's.
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Yeah you just dated yourself super hard xD the thing is they always do that. There's always a group and they always try and take everyone out. Usually what happens is someone takes out grunt one and grunt two and then gets eliminated by the leader who wins, or in a surprise upset all three allies get knocked out. Nobody whines about it because that's the nature of the beast.
I also think you're really overestimating our coordination here. We haven't talked to each other about posts or anything we basically just know we want to take Kamui out and that we're not going to argue each others posts. That's about it.
Organically anytime Athos and Jay were in a fight like this they'd take out everyone else so they could have a fight with each other.
What if there was a scenario where it was a 4 man FFA and no one is teaming up with each other. Persons A, B, C, D. A is fighting B and C is fighting D. However at the end of every one of his turns D turns and takes a pot shot at A and tries to hit him in his blindspot. Because why not? He needs to eliminate every one. A gets salty and claims D is collaborating with B. He asks for a judge decision to get him dq'd for teaming up. What do we do? Does a mod check their pm's to see if they're colluding? Does a judge character control D into attacking B an equal number of times? It's nonsense. It's just opening up another avenue for whining. There's no way to objectively make that call because for all we know they actually are texting each other and collaborating on the DL.
Honestly I'm surprised we're actually considering making an incredibly ill-defined rule about character controlling people's actions in a Battle Royale scenario because Kamui got salty.
It would cause many more problems than it ever fixes because it would be so easy to abuse. So just make it only 1v1's.
Like I said, if it were up to only me. This rule would be in place, and it would probably be extremely hard to ever use. Player D couldn't accuse players A-C just on a hunch. They would need proof, else they have nothing. They would need evidence. Basically what I'm saying here, is this rule would be in place, but about the only way it could ever be used is if one of the parties involved felt guilty and opened up the mail bag. It wouldn't just be he said/ she said. They either have proof of coordination, or they don't. But like I said, this is only my opinion, no other council member has spoken, so don't say the community is considering it. We'd have to vote on the issue no matter what, and the others may completely disagree with me.
But yeah, I think I know what the vote will entail, so I'm done responding. Save your energy Athos for when the vote actually happens if you dislike it. But I think this can be locked now, but I'm done until it comes up on the ballot.
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I'll get to the valley after this, senpai!!!
+1 for Trev for bringing Evolution to light... would have been +2 if it was DX, but...
For the instance of the actual teaming up that was supposed to happen. There's none of that coordination in the fight. Hell, Athos attacked me first... asshole. I retaliated by attacking him and Kamui, while Tau was attacking Kamui. Dart... went invisible and started attacking everyone. Then, Athos went and attacked everyone. Tau kept going after Kamui and like a gnat, I started attacking them both... not before going to attack everybody, after dodging Athos' attack towards me... again, he's an asshole. Then, he tried to do it again and I only got out of the way, because I got Kamui and Tau pissed enough to attack me back and I got kind of wrecked T.T Don't mess with those Otokages, they got some tempers... Trev knows what I'm talking about... and Hazama, he's an asshole too... NOW EVERYBODY HUG AND LOVE EACH OTHER AGAIN!!!!!!
P.S. Biju Matches should have some fun RP to them as well. Obviously, just keeping them as just matches makes them stale and that's where all the frustration comes from. It's like episodes of DeathBattle, when it should be like... uhh... hmm, something more plot oriented dang, leave me alone. I sat there for like three minutes trying to think of something.
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P.S. Biju Matches should have some fun RP to them as well. Obviously, just keeping them as just matches makes them stale and that's where all the frustration comes from. It's like episodes of DeathBattle, when it should be like... uhh... hmm, something more plot oriented dang, leave me alone. I sat there for like three minutes trying to think of something.
Sounds like you were trying to describe IC battles there for a second, what with that word plot and biju being in the same sentence as the phrase "biju matches". xP
And a crackdown on aggressive behavior would have to also mean we moderators keep ourselves in check as well, as I assume that we would be the ones collectively enforcing it (unless Ace revereses is his general approach and goes bad cop while the rest of us be good cop or something) and nothing would make complaints of abuse worse than hypocrisy by the enforcement. Not that I don't mind since I'm used to holding back, but it's food for thought so that we moderators make a consistent "etiquette" that we follow so that we are all consistent.
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I will always make time. So long as I choose to remain in this position. =)
Backhanded insults aren't going to work, that pertains to multiple people here. Including some people who I'm going to have a very pleasant chat with.
Next, send me specifics about any person you think is an issue-- yes, give me QUOTES and evidence. Do not test me there, thanks! I cannot read minds, and some topics I will miss. :D
With regards to Kamui, he is and continues to be one of the longest serving moderators for a reason. If you have an issue with that, take it up with Oliver. And if Oliver doesn't reply, send me a message.
Now, I've removed staff from their position before. Anyone can remove me as well, if I do not act in the best interest of the members, or do not follow the rules. That applies to anyone. Yes, any one of the staff can and might make mistakes in the future, and please do let me know! But, I'd appreciate civility now. Otherwise, I'll be sending private messages out, and they won't be friendly. ;)
So, I won't entertain conversations that are fueled on the foundation of personal bias. Of course, we can have a discussion, but everyone knows I will point the out the flaws of both sides of the issue.
Final note, send me personal messages for now since all of this seems to be getting confusing. I will adress each person; I will address each point. And if I do not, then pester me. You might not like my answer, but I will answer you.
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If you want a Disciplinary Mod who unbiasedly cracks the whip whenever the perverbial mud is thrown, I am quite capable of detecting & punishing such actions mercilessly due to my personal hatred of unnecessary conflict. However, I don't think most of us would want to see Tomi in some BDSM outfit going Indiana Jones on everyone.
Kinda funny I'm getting involved with Bijuu matters as Eric's example was true. However, I do think one has to separate their own personal feelings from these things and expect to see tomfoolery in order to enjoy the stories of characters putting their reputations and lives on the line for glory and power.
We must adapt and make the best of current events.