You know, I said the same exact thing and yet I'm forced to accept her challenge. Hm...
Also, just finished reading the entire fiasco. And oh dear lord, do I have a headache from trying to get any form of valid logic coming from the entire thread. Could someone, not emotionally involved in the situation, give a strong TL;DR here as well?
Because from what I've gathered, it's all boiled down to meta-gaming and god-modding at this point. Purely.
It looks as if Machina wants to change her character (cool) but still retain stuff she gained from old character (not cool). Then Tsuyo is getting upset because that would place Bocc in control of his body so now the plan is to meta-game Tsuyo being involved with an apparent "sister" that has spawned from nowhere just to spite Bocc.
Bocc offered a way to validate all claims and legitimize the situation but she refused violently.
A stupid amount of mud slinging on both sides that it has boiled down to another a verbal abuse/harassment war again. (Shocking)
Just how in the hell does that validate Bocc's claim to deny her challenges with a character that is clearly being meta-gamed? Plus, it's proven that she and he do not get along. This has eclipsed mine and Bocc's encounter and reached Sabu v Hono level.
It has not gotten to Sabu vs Hono, though I wouldn't imagine either side stubbornly trying to drive it that way so that the result can be similar. And apparently, I must now sit corrected in that no one would have major issues with the character changes due to what is being entangled here.
Bocc has to accept the challenge. If there is god-modding in the fight, then a judge will call it and match ends there. Have the fight be OOC is my suggestion so that there is a reduced amount of entanglement.
i posted this to the other thread about this where the susanoo gates thing is currently being discussed..
this is my opinion on the matter of character redo's
she cannot go back and undo...OTHER PEOPLE's rp who reacted to her as it was. she only has the power to change her future, not OUR past.
to void oneself is to remove that RP completely...not go back and make it something different with you coming out on top in some way...
that is like...say, two characters are in a custody battle over a child...
the mother voids the pregnancy...the father no longer has a kid he has rp'd with and created a history around?
then the mother goes later and un-voids the child to be twin daughters...and I am confused already...is there still a custody battle? Uhm...now the child's room in the father's house is suddenly twin princess decor rather than mega-man X motif?
i hope this clears things up?
Musing over this, and while I do see the point, this is an entirely different situation. The father and the mother are not forced to RP with each other by the rules of the realm, nor are they obligated to stay in each other's continuum. If the child causes them to want to RP together, then they will have to come to an agreement on how the matter is to be done.
With that said, we take the tailed beast as the child that brings father (Machina) and mother (Bocchiere) into a forced arrangement, to where they must make a decision, since the child in this situation binds them together. The custody battle (biju fight) itself has not happened yet, however.
The mother has already had the child for some time now, and the father wants to change the past in order to alter the nature of the upcoming custody battle. The mother refuses, either out of belief of the conspiracy or simply because if the past could be so easily changed, they could simply get over their differences and not have the discussion in the first place.
The problem that any third party observer has now is whether or not it is more ethical to allow the father to go back and change time to his benefit and then proceed with the custody battle or keep the timeline as it is and either convince the father to abandon the custody battle or take the chance proceeding as usual.
The mother has offered partial custody (Bocc's aforementioned compromise of sorts) but the father refuses, and instead decides that he is going to bring the uncle (Machina's "little sister") into the battle upon hearing this. Time does not have to be altered, but the mother is understandably sour that the father is practically fighting the battle through the uncle.
TL;DR regarding example:
The situation at hand now is that the mother's (Bocchiere) idea of compromise and the father's (Machina) idea of compromise for handling the custody battle (the biju fight) apparently are incompatible with the wishes of each other.
The splitting of these threads has made it kind of difficult to put everything back together, but both Machina and Bocc have, in their own ways, offered a compromise:
This is what I plan to do to avoid Boccs crap. I'm going to leave all Tsuyos stuff to Ichi. Then I'm going to revive Manij, killing me. Before my death I will tell Ichi of my little Uzumaki sister. He will be informed to leave her my eyes and Tsyou's belongings. I intend to rp finding Ichirou and obtaining what Bocc is trying to take from me. Machina would have sent a Phoenix to inform her sister of her death and what she left for her. Since Manji is my Edo, me bringing him back will kill me and he will then go kill himself as he too is restarting. I know I'm not the first to do this but Bocc was the only one to say anyting to me about it so I fixed it. You are not getting my husband Bocc. And this way there is no god modding or, going back in time. I'm killing myselt and starting over with different KG. Like it or not Bocc you gotta deal with me.
Yes that's what I don't agree with. There's no logical reason to suddenly stop having Rinnegan and Mokuton and develop Sage Mode and Scorch Release. You would have to make a new character.
If you want to make a new Machina, you can, but how can Tsuyo give you anything when YOU rp him being dead just like me?
If you don't want to make a new character I'll even let you claim Living Corpse Reincarnation from me so you can do what you're trying to do AND have an explainable reason for it. You'd just have to find a body to steal so it likely wouldn't be exactly what KG you want.
Long story short, do what you want, but find a legitimate reason to do so IC if you expect to challenge me for a bijuu, because I'm not acknowledging changelings in rp.
Outside of dealing with biju holders, I would agree 100% that just changing up a character willy nilly and altering the reality of other people is cause for dismissal from RP interactions, especially if the other people do not consent to their RP being altered.
But I am convinced that at the lung of this debate is Bocchiere vs Machina biju match. Were it not for this particular bit, I don't think Bocc or Machina would have bothered dragging this out so much.
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