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Re: Bijuu Council and Discussion
« Reply #180 on: August 02, 2012, 04:46:20 PM »

My only objection would be the numbers annoying me, but yeah, Raijin seems fit, unlike several others. Given that he did pretty much respect the time limit, and I say this, trusting the words of Kay.
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Re: Bijuu Council and Discussion
« Reply #181 on: August 02, 2012, 07:49:51 PM »

My only objection would be the numbers annoying me, but yeah, Raijin seems fit, unlike several others. Given that he did pretty much respect the time limit, and I say this, trusting the words of Kay.

Trust is a valuable thing around here these days.
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Re: Bijuu Council and Discussion
« Reply #182 on: August 03, 2012, 12:20:48 AM »

It appears my vacay put me a little out of date, and I apologize all.

On the Ranketsu issue, I'd like to say this;

I love Ranketsu to death. She is usually nice to me. But, she IS inactive by definition. In my simplest opinion, I believe she should be stripped, yes; however, I also agree with Zenaku that this IS a Kirigakure issue. For a time, she was not in possession of the Sanbi, and I was not happy to even find out otherwise. It isn't wise to keep granting her goodies; she doesn't use them wisely, she doesn't use them at all. She goes inactive and leaves Rakudo in charge, which is fine and dandy, Rakudo does his job. But when she comes back, she needs to stay in retirement and realize that retiring means giving up these types of things.

If this opinion is outdated or otherwise stated, please feel free to beat the post.
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Re: Bijuu Council and Discussion
« Reply #183 on: August 03, 2012, 01:16:10 AM »

Just posting to keep a tally on things~

Proposition Bijuu: Ranketsu should be stripped of the Sanbi
No - 1
Yes - 5 (1 vote from a non-council member)
No defined vote - 2
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Re: Bijuu Council and Discussion
« Reply #184 on: August 03, 2012, 01:31:11 AM »

Can someone inform her to come here and speak up for herself, when I told her we were discussing it in the forum awhile ago she proceeded to send a few swear words my way.
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Re: Bijuu Council and Discussion
« Reply #185 on: August 03, 2012, 01:53:29 AM »

Can someone inform her to come here and speak up for herself, when I told her we were discussing it in the forum awhile ago she proceeded to send a few swear words my way.

So we need more swear words?
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Re: Bijuu Council and Discussion
« Reply #186 on: August 03, 2012, 11:21:50 AM »

From the looks of it, things are pretty much settled. Naturally, I'm going to try and defend myself, however to a certain point I have to agree with the others saying "strip her", or rather, me. If I do get stripped, like Kay said, I'm just going to go fishing for a snapping turtle, and if I get to keep it, I'll stay active to the best of my abilities.

Though it's a weak defense, it's really the only I have at this point:
In the following paragraph from Cmage/Rakudo, I'll have the lot notice that every single transaction he credits to my inactivity is all without my knowing, therefore I have logically no way of denying such things were I to be active. He wouldn't know, therefore I find these words to be less than meaning or useful.
Also Zen, the fact that I could enter negotiations with you for a trade proves her inactivity, remember that time(which may be on earlier pages) when we talked about trading Gobi for Sanbi? Well I took a poll in the clan halls, to which she didn't post/respond that we was still the jinchuuriki, I even asked Isaribi for his suggestion on the trade. I was even accepted challenged from both Gou and Bocchiere, though Bocc had started his fight with Kamui and Gou respectfully withdrew his challenge. I bet if I had taken those challenges and lost, then Rank pops up saying she was never inactive your argument would've been that I took the challenge therefor I had possession over the bijuu.

Yes, I'll admit, there was probably not one single time I had spent two consecutive days on SL, and my inactivity counter always said "Last On:" and the days would always be more than two. Despite having no proof of it, I'm sure someone could remember; every single week, sometimes one would be skipped, but rarely, I would make a "weekly cameo" in the Clan Halls. It was more than anything just to show I was alive. In the mean time, I would more or less sort through mail, talk to a few friends, fight in the zones, and train Dart and Yashiro, both of which can accredit my occasional activity, however small it was. That entire day I would spend on SL. There would be other days I just popped in to say hi. Yes, not much, but certainly enough to void these "two week" rule that was, according to Rares, never truly established, and therefore should be considered somewhat invalid.

Reasoning: The kage bearing the right/obligation to strip the inactive jinchuriki in spite of their will and solve the inactive jinchuriki issue was never implemented among the rules. It was discussed but not implemented. And as such, I find it unreasonable to act upon a law that did not exist at that time(or now). With Ranketsu returning back to activity, her case is no longer an issue as she is no longer an inactive jinchuriki.

I'll admit my activity was splotchy there the last month before my leave, I would be gone for a few days, come back for a few, day in day out, and if you're going to simply base a decision off of the possibility of me not living up to my word of being active, then should all Jinchuriki not be put into question? I don't think things such a speculation and guesses should rear their heads into a proper, professional discussion.

Now, as for these invisible challenges made by Gou? I talked to him. He never directly challenged me. He assumed, key word being assumed, that I did not have/was stripped of the Sanbi, just as everyone else had assumed such a thing, therefore he went to Rakudo, who went on his business, delegating things properly to his calculations. In retrospect, he did nothing wrong, and I was wrong to become haughty with him; all except assuming things. No one once came directly to me, nor even truly documented my "inactivity". All of the work done in my absence has been assumptions and backtalk. True, I cannot properly pull up evidence that says I wasn't inactive for 14 consecutive days without taking challenges/doing anything for that matter, but on the other end of that spectrum, not one person has any evidence that I haave been inactive that long and I have a fair hunch that not one person has seen that "Last On" counter above 13, perhaps, 12 days.
As for hearsay, I have both Yashiro and Dart, plus one person who's name I will think of when I see it, to account for my small-time activity.

Fairly, I can see many people having doubt and ultimately feeling that this defense certainly doesn't hold well. Therefore, no grudges will be held, nor will complaining ensue.

I think I have surmised my entire defense, and that is all I have to say.

P.S. All of this about me leaving and putting Rakudo in charge is being put in the simply most negative light possible. It's not far from the truth, however. To get that air cleared, yes, I did do that here and there, but it wasn't often, if not at all, and I only asked if he could look over things because I knew I would be gone for more than two days, but never more than four. Even then, I still dropped in. It wasn't a "drop all responsibilities on someone else to have fun", it was a "I'm going for a bit, could you make sure nothing happens?"
Quite childish how so many are trying so desperately to shine me in such a red light. Though I'm sure many's rebuttal would be "It's not that hard".
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Re: Bijuu Council and Discussion
« Reply #187 on: August 03, 2012, 11:53:48 AM »

half of my argument revolved around the fact that she USED to be inactive. I don't really see how she is inactive by definition. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't like anything better than to see her stripped, (giggidy) but in my own perception the issue ceased to exist the very moment she ceased being inactive.

Now it's not mine, or our business for that matter, to get involved in Kirigakure politics, however, I don't think it's a good idea to have them under the scenario the follows: The former kage challenges the current one or his right hand man for the Sanbi. Don't seem right.
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Re: Bijuu Council and Discussion
« Reply #188 on: August 03, 2012, 12:51:35 PM »

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I'll admit my activity was splotchy there the last month before my leave, I would be gone for a few days, come back for a few, day in day out, and if you're going to simply base a decision off of the possibility of me not living up to my word of being active, then should all Jinchuriki not be put into question? I don't think things such a speculation and guesses should rear their heads into a proper, professional discussion.

We'll be professional if you can but your statements to Rakudo said otherwise with your swears when the possibility came up that Sanbi may be stripped from you.
The lack of this professionalism was quite obvious here. :roll:
So I'll get to the point. You were almost inactive to the point that your account almost got deleted, which was before Neji lifted the limited from 60 days to 80 days.
This was more then even two weeks to begin with, the only time you would login was to keep your account alive and check up with the clan.
Had I gone through my challenge with you for the seat of the SSM then what would have become of this? The least you could've done is told us in the forums or in the SSM forums that you would be gone for a extended period of time to do god knows what.
You appointed Rakudo twice during your absence which was more then enough to prove your inactivity those times.
I don't see how you want to question the other Jinchuuriki when they are active despite Zyeta starting up school once more but even he told Zenaku about his inactivity that will occur.
The others are quite active and on every day or so.
Here's what I am going to suggest and I hope you follow through with it, I'll retract my vote if you prove that this time around you won't leave without saying something to this council or the current Mizukage.
Because I find it unfair to take away something from you that you earned through hard work on another site but if you fail to withhold the Jinchuuriki challenges and rules that follow with then you'll be put up across the cutting table once more.
Since you proved that your becoming active little by little then I don't see why you can't keep your little turtle unless this would be the fourth/fifth time you leave without telling anyone.
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Re: Bijuu Council and Discussion
« Reply #189 on: August 03, 2012, 02:38:41 PM »

Well based on our very first established rule, the 3 day rule, the debate on this issue has expired and voting is closed.  There's no point to rules we don't respect them.  The outcome of the votes is more than obvious, the Sanbi-Ranketsu issue is at the mercy of Rakudo due to past inactivity.
Any objections?
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Re: Bijuu Council and Discussion
« Reply #190 on: August 03, 2012, 03:08:50 PM »

I have none.
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Re: Bijuu Council and Discussion
« Reply #191 on: August 03, 2012, 04:03:32 PM »

I'll say again. My stance on the matter is it's a Kiri issue. I neither vote for nor against Rank at this point assuming it can be handled by Kiri. Go nuts guys
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Re: Bijuu Council and Discussion
« Reply #192 on: August 03, 2012, 05:26:53 PM »

Yep, Raku's choice.

But yeah, since I've started the first two "polls" I'll hold back at least one round to avoid accusations such as me trying to assume a leader position of sorts. :o
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Re: Bijuu Council and Discussion
« Reply #193 on: August 03, 2012, 09:12:26 PM »

@ Camel,
Yes, I will do my best to prove that I'm going to be active. My words are obviously not enough, so I intend to show it through action as I have been these past two and a half weeks. I've been easily managing 2 to 8 consecutive hours daily, given last weekend I wasn't around on Sunday and most of Saturday.

And yes, I did always notice someone of my absence. Usually it was in the Clan Hall, acting a public "I will be gone for a few days/until a specific day", but other than that, I see the flaw in that and will from now on, even if a day is going to be skimped upon, will inform the acting Mizukage, who more than likely will be Rakudo for some time.

And lastly, as has been stated by nearly everyone here, it's really up to the acting Mizukage: Rakudo. Unless of course this poll comes to order, or Rakudo himself believes the poll is the right way to go.
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Re: Bijuu Council and Discussion
« Reply #194 on: August 03, 2012, 09:31:44 PM »

@ Camel,
Yes, I will do my best to prove that I'm going to be active. My words are obviously not enough, so I intend to show it through action as I have been these past two and a half weeks. I've been easily managing 2 to 8 consecutive hours daily, given last weekend I wasn't around on Sunday and most of Saturday.

And yes, I did always notice someone of my absence. Usually it was in the Clan Hall, acting a public "I will be gone for a few days/until a specific day", but other than that, I see the flaw in that and will from now on, even if a day is going to be skimped upon, will inform the acting Mizukage, who more than likely will be Rakudo for some time.

And lastly, as has been stated by nearly everyone here, it's really up to the acting Mizukage: Rakudo. Unless of course this poll comes to order, or Rakudo himself believes the poll is the right way to go.

Personally i don't think a poll is necessary. However as Rank is already in the middle of a fight for a Kiri treasure (Samehada) one of two things needs to happen. Either A)She keeps the turtle and continues her match or B)She loses the turtle and she has to restart her battle for the Kiri treasure. As that falls under Kiri's business and this isn't a bijuu match per say i'll respectfully step back and let Rakudo and Kiri do their thing

Now

That all said, is there any new bijuu business?
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