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[Asadi]

So, pretty much what some folks are wanting is a small council. We could do the 9 who have the ability to vote and those that want to voice their opinions who are not on the council can do so in a chance to sway the council member's personal opinion.

Something like that sound good?

[Uchiha, Rares]

So, pretty much what some folks are wanting is a small council. We could do the 9 who have the ability to vote and those that want to voice their opinions who are not on the council can do so in a chance to sway the council member's personal opinion.

Something like that sound good?

Yep, that would be what we're hoping for.

[Asadi]

So, pretty much what some folks are wanting is a small council. We could do the 9 who have the ability to vote and those that want to voice their opinions who are not on the council can do so in a chance to sway the council member's personal opinion.

Something like that sound good?

Yep, that would be what we're hoping for.

I don't see any big problem with that. At least then, everyone can get their point across before something is voted upon.

[Uchiha, Rares]

Splendid.

[cmage]

For closure on the Kiri issue, I will allow Ranketsu to keep Sanbi since there's no definite proof that Rank was inactive for 14days or more, and because there's nobody that I see as a fit host right now anyway. Of course this comes under the condition that if she pulls that whole disappearing act for a couple of months but logs on once every 13days or if she ignores bijuu fights because of normal zone fights then it will be effectively stripped.

I'm impartial to the number of members of the council; a small number will help things run smoother in terms of voting, but it may not accurately depict the views of the people who actually care about the topics since each 1/9 carries alot of weight. I also feel that a majority of us will be hard to sway simply because I see us as a stubborn bunch.

[Asadi]

Wel, if someone does prove a point, I'd be opened.

'Stubborn' or not. xD
 
Besides, isn't it the job of this 'council' to listen to others before going blindly and voting like mad men?

[Uchiha, Rares]

Wel, if someone does prove a point, I'd be opened.

'Stubborn' or not. xD
 
Besides, isn't it the job of this 'council' to listen to others before going blindly and voting like mad men?

Essentially, "they" are there cause their judgment is not "blind", and trusted. But sure, somethings may escape them so an outsider pointing out an aspect that was not seen may very well cause others to change their votes.

[Trev]

Even if the small council is chosen, how would you pick the members to participate? I think that's an even bigger problem that needs to be addressed. As someone who will not be on the council, this is a big concern. I suppose you could use the one the people voted on, but some deem that invalid, due to slight tampering.

[Uchiha, Rares]

I asked that people also state the number of members they think should be the limit as well as who should be in it.

So far I am the one that made the first list of members, Bocc and Nathan agreed to my list.
Raifudo agrees to the fact that a limit is in order.
Asadi thinks the 9 member limit I suggested seems fine(I think)
Rakudo is impartial.
Kayenta is against the limit.

So far we have:
4-5 Yes to the limit
1-2 impartial
1 against.

3(including myself) agreed to my list. While the other two that find it that the limit is alright did not compose a list. So if it were to all end here, I'd suppose we'd go with my list based on the above results.

I specifically asked that those that vote also compose a list of members to their according number so we can get this issue dealt with all in one shot.

[Trev]

I specifically asked that those that vote also compose a list of members to their according number so we can get this issue dealt with all in one shot.

I feel that is a very inefficient as to actually picking members, as that means this current council as is, is the only one picking members.  This is where my problem actually kicks in. Picking members in a fair and organized manner. The current situation I think lacks both. Though, I won't claim to be a super genius with a solution, as the site vote didn't go well either. Just thought I'd bring this up to discuss, if in fact a smaller council is chosen.

[Uchiha, Rares]

Well given that the composing of lists was a partial fail since mine was either agreed upon or no list was given, I'm guessing we could just limit the results of this poll to limit or no limit and the number.

As for what you address as an issue. That's rather incorrect. Given that the current council is one that votes on council/bijuu matters and decides such matters by votes, there is no reason for the election of the 9 or w/e to make an exception. If we were enough to decide on relevant bijuu/council issues, we are enough to decide upon the 9 members if the limitation is favored by the majority. I believe there's something like 1-2 days left to vote.

EDIT: Bottom line: Those that currently hold the power to decide upon bijuu/jinchuriki rules and issues are those best suited to decide just who will do so in the future. The list found on the first page is the council until the new one is elected.

Edit2: In addition we can always count those that did choose to compose a list or agree to one. If we were to do that given that my list is the only one in existence, with two supporters to top it, we should be going for that. But I can see people thinking I bit more than I could chew by adding the list of members in the same poll so I'm leaving that part up for debate.

Edit3: Also, you kind of stated that the council that is currently deciding on these matters in general is unorganized and unfair. >>;;;

[Trev]

Edit3: Also, you kind of stated that the council that is currently deciding on these matters in general is unorganized and unfair. >>;;;

So what if I did? Does it matter? No, it does not, nor did I say that either. I think the council is fine and dandy, I just don't agree with how a new council will be formed, if the vote goes through. If everyone here is competent as you say enough to decide who goes on the next council, then why even get rid of it? You guys have a deadline on voting, so the amount of people in the council is of little matter.

Basically to sum up my feelings, I don't like how the next council will be set up (if the vote goes through), though I would feel much better with a poll, but then you get the whole cheating factor again.  But, I seem to be the only one that has a problem with this, so I guess I'm crazy and should just be ignored. 

[Asadi]

Trev as the arm of the council! May her bring swift justice to the council's enemies! Lol
Just kidding.

[Solo Iori]

So far, from what I've read, there is no actual reason to put a vote to anything. The council has not failed anything, and has had no occuring situtation to even test if our number is to great. I say leave it be. If and when problems do begin to arise, then we can put member count, list of desired members, etc. to a vote on a later date.

[Uchiha, Rares]

Even if the small council is chosen, how would you pick the members to participate? I think that's an even bigger problem that needs to be addressed. As someone who will not be on the council, this is a big concern. I suppose you could use the one the people voted on, but some deem that invalid, due to slight tampering.

I did not say I view every member as competent. Simply that if this council was good enough to vote on bijuu matters then it is good enough to vote on council ones.

I believe there is one day left or so.

To explain how this would go down:
Essentially, if you voted against this or chose to stay impartial to it it would essentially mean that:
Your willed number is the current 22(I think) and your member list is the current one or that you don't care. As such, if this does get passed in means of cut-down having the majority, the majority of those that voted for such will be the majority out of those that voted for the cut-down. Essentially a poll within a poll. Referring to the masses was a mistake to begin with, a third of the people that voted back then did not even know enough candidates to compose a full list while others just wanted their friends to make it.

Bottom line, if you did not want the cut-down to begin with or chose to stay impartial to it, you are not entitled to deciding who will compose the list you opposed creating to begin with.

So far:
Cut-down

Yes-5
No-2
Impartial-1

1/5 did not state number. 4/5 agreed with 9.
2/5 did not establish or support a listing. 3/5 agreed to my list.

As such, if it were to end right here and now, the result would be my list of 9. I suppose that if enough complain about the actual listing being integrated in the same poll, we'd have to scrap the election part out. However, at this point, even if I am to consider that the 2 that did not establish or show support for a list do not agree with mine, my list still has the majority of 3/5.


How about this? If the number of supporters of a particular list does not surpass the number of no-cut-down votes, we'll just decide on who the members shall be later on. I think it's more than fair this way.

Edit:
So essentially, if you wanted to go the worst way possible, the polling in regards to my list would be something like:
2-no(supporting current list)
3-impartial
3-supporters