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[Warren]

Indeed. Interestingly enough often the great majority if not all of damage from eating a shinra tensei comes from you crashing into shit after you've been sent flying, rather than the repulsive wave itself.

[Kage]

That would actually make it worse, because Limbo is a technique that hits an opponent from their blind side. To have it as a long-ranged Shinra Tensei would make it even more powerful than what the true technique is. But with the ability to see, sense and even hit these clones, it becomes a lot easier to deal with.

Yeah but a Shinra Tensei cant sneak up behind you and break your neck. No ones ever died from a Shinra Tensei in the manga. As long as you make an effort to defend yourself you'll survive. Id rather but suddenly knocked over than suddenly in a submission hold.

http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-429-page-12.html

Granted, Tsunade put all the chakra she could muster into Katsuyu, so the former could multiply and wrap around every villager to protect them from the force + debris.

[Warren]

Again, collateral effects from the blast, flying debris and the like, not from the blast itself. Flying through the air doesn't hurt you, crashing into shit or something landing on you at hundred miles an hour does.

[UettoSenju]

Make them capapable of physical damage and sensory able and that is good enough.

Even a capable sensor would perhaps not notice them at first, on the first strike. I mean he would have all focus on the enemy he can see by defualt of natural combat.  If they didn't have a dojutsu.

Hell I'd say make it to were other dojutsu beside the rinnegan could not see them to a full degree. I know they can see chakra and if these things could be sensed in theory they should be able to be seen by all dojutsu but make them like blurs or something. Kinda like preditor from the movie how you can see them but it is hard if you don't look closely.

They still would hold more power the clones that are easy to track and keep up with.


Truly one shouldn't even have to be able to sense them if they can be dealt physical damage to defeat them.

[Mei]

Make them capapable of physical damage and sensory able and that is good enough.

Even a capable sensor would perhaps not notice them at first, on the first strike. I mean he would have all focus on the enemy he can see by defualt of natural combat.  If they didn't have a dojutsu.

Hell I'd say make it to were other dojutsu beside the rinnegan could not see them to a full degree. I know they can see chakra and if these things could be sensed in theory they should be able to be seen by all dojutsu but make them like blurs or something. Kinda like preditor from the movie how you can see them but it is hard if you don't look closely.

They still would hold more power the clones that are easy to track and keep up with.


Truly one shouldn't even have to be able to sense them if they can be dealt physical damage to defeat them.

You're basically nerfing them so that it can be used in-game.
As mentioned before, what's the point of bring a technique where you nerf it to the point that it's far weaker than the original? >.>

Personally, some of the posts I have read thus far makes no sense.

1. Read the technique's description: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Limbo:_Border_Jail

2. It wasn't until Naruto/Sasuke receive Six Paths chakra that they were able to sense/see the invisible shadows. Six Paths chakra is the unique chakra of Hagoromo Ōtsutsuki , so I don't know why some of you make it sound like it's easy to get. >.>

2a. It is said that Six Paths chakra can be acquired from Hagoromo directly or by combining the chakra of his sons - Indra and Asura - to form the Rinnegan. So by that 'logic', you COULD make Uchiha KG represents the chakra of Indra and Mokuton KG represents the chakra of Asura. So the Rinnegan = Six Paths Power (?) and the Sage Mode = Six Paths Sage Mode. But as it was mentioned earlier, not a lot of people have Sharingan/Mokuton/(Rinnegan or Sage Mode) so the majority would be screwed. Maybe Tenseigan would be able to sense it, no? But then you would need Hyuuga KG and go through the RP (w/ Warren or Rusaku) to get Tenseigan. =/

2ai. Even if you follow the 'logic' I represented, I feel it would royally mess up the RP in a whole new level. >.>

3. Limbo: Border Jail is obviously not a long range version of Shinra Tensei. =/

4. It stands to reason that only Rinnegan users would be able to see the shadows though.

5. Personally, why do you feel the need to use this technique anyway? So you can become more OP? Smh.

[Deathstroke]

I know it's not long range shinra tensei my point was that, before it was explained, that's what it seemed to be and that seems like a much more fair ability to me. So just use that which I'm sure people could find unique uses for instead of inter dimensional ghosts

[Warren]

@Mei

Regarding 2a, if rikudou chakra was a must for it to work, then sage mode would be a no-go by one of the few SL rules basically everyone follows; no rinnegan (or tenseigan) and sage mode on same character.

And considering to mix the chakras to make rikudou chakra, it causes surfacing of rinnegan, which'd lock you out. Effectively makes rikudou sage mode impossible to use.

[Mei]

I know it's not long range shinra tensei my point was that, before it was explained, that's what it seemed to be and that seems like a much more fair ability to me. So just use that which I'm sure people could find unique uses for instead of inter dimensional ghosts

Ah, I see. But then 'distance/range comes to play' as I think was mentioned earlier.
And technically shinra tensei seems to have good range anyway. Unless you're talking about...like teleport version of shinra tensei where

X.A.(-)...............................(-).B.Y ------------> Y

X - Shinra Tensei user
A - Shinra Tensei used at this point
(-) - Teleports
B - Shinra Tensei arrives and activates at this point and beyond

So the Shinra Tensei user has the move teleported in front of the opponent who is then sent flying, leaving everything in the range between A and B unaffected.

Is that what you meant by a long range Shinra Tensei?


EDIT:

@Mei

Regarding 2a, if rikudou chakra was a must for it to work, then sage mode would be a no-go by one of the few SL rules basically everyone follows; no rinnegan (or tenseigan) and sage mode on same character.

And considering to mix the chakras to make rikudou chakra, it causes surfacing of rinnegan, which'd lock you out. Effectively makes rikudou sage mode impossible to use.

Wait, I'm confused. I did not state that a character can have both rinnegan and sage mode. I'm just saying if you want to go about getting Six Path chakra, there are two ways.

Get Uchiha KG, Mokuton KG, AND ....
1. Rinnegan = Six Path Power (?)
-OR-
2. Sage Mode = Six Path Sage Mode

[Uchiha Madara]

Personally I think if we didn't have too much of this: "Oh its so OP burn it with fire" attitude, we would work more to incorporate more techniques than just outright banning them. Why nerf and try to bring it into play? Why do anything on this site? Its to have fun, we forget to often that this is a game.

With that being said, i'm trying to work the jutsu into SL for enjoyment and fit it to how we do things. No one, and if there is it is a small percentage, claim Six Paths Chakra. The only reason the clones could be sensed or harmed was by Six Paths Chakra....so what? This isn't the anime or manga, we can choose whether or not to follow completely, change it slightly, or not at all.

We've incorporated faaar more dangerous things than this, instant kills, nearly instant space-time sniping/dodging, unlimited chakra and stamina zombies, easy to use village destroying jutsu, nearly impenetrable chakra titans with strength comparable of that to the Bijuu and the list goes on. We use these for the exact same reason, fun. No has had fun being an Edo Tensei, being a Kamui user, Susanoo user, or a user of the Rinnegan? Of course we have and we don't get rid of them, we nerf them to be used and for the rest of us we develop ways around it.

 

[Warren]

I know you said they can't. I'm saying that because of that very inability to do both, rikudou sage mode is impossible, because to get rikudou chakra you have to mix uchiha/senju which makes rinnegan, which locks you from all things sage mode. There literally is no legitimate way on SL to do it.

[Mei]

Personally I think if we didn't have too much of this: "Oh its so OP burn it with fire" attitude, we would work more to incorporate more techniques than just outright banning them. Why nerf and try to bring it into play? Why do anything on this site? Its to have fun, we forget to often that this is a game.

With that being said, i'm trying to work the jutsu into SL for enjoyment and fit it to how we do things. No one, and if there is it is a small percentage, claim Six Paths Chakra. The only reason the clones could be sensed or harmed was by Six Paths Chakra....so what? This isn't the anime or manga, we can choose whether or not to follow completely, change it slightly, or not at all.

We've incorporated faaar more dangerous things than this, instant kills, nearly instant space-time sniping/dodging, unlimited chakra and stamina zombies, easy to use village destroying jutsu, nearly impenetrable chakra titans with strength comparable of that to the Bijuu and the list goes on. We use these for the exact same reason, fun. No has had fun being an Edo Tensei, being a Kamui user, Susanoo user, or a user of the Rinnegan? Of course we have and we don't get rid of them, we nerf them to be used and for the rest of us we develop ways around it.

It sounds like you have forgotten the fundamentals of having fun. Just because it's fun for one person or a few people, does not mean it's fun for everyone else. I'm sure it's fun for a person (villian) to terrorize a village but it's not fun for the villagers that are getting terrorized. This is like a 'bully' mindset. =/

I know you said they can't. I'm saying that because of that very inability to do both, rikudou sage mode is impossible, because to get rikudou chakra you have to mix uchiha/senju which makes rinnegan, which locks you from all things sage mode. There literally is no legitimate way on SL to do it.

Oh, I see what you mean. Well, we can change that so that there will have an option between the two.
Remember it's not necessarily the KGs that combine to form the Rinnegan. After all, what would have happened if it was the other way around between Madara and Hashirama? What if Hashirama took some of Madara's DNA and implanted it into himself? I dont think you can go from zero to Rinnegan real quick. (Drake reference, lol)

[Warren]

So one would think, but that's exactly what Madara did, just popped it into being. But anyway.

People already pull the 'I win cause senjutsu' card to plain retarded levels, and rikudou senjutsu is significantly beyond any normal modes, so to try put it not in crude words it would be a very very very bad idea to give that to anybody. It would worsen their god complex to plain outrageous levels.

If this jutsu does happen, normal animal-based sage modes and the like being able to sense limbo would be good. Using the necessity for sages to see this thing as an excuse to try get rikudou sage mode however, would be not, seriously fuck that.

[Eric]

... We've incorporated faaar more dangerous things than this, instant kills, nearly instant space-time sniping/dodging, unlimited chakra and stamina zombies, easy to use village destroying jutsu, nearly impenetrable chakra titans with strength comparable of that to the Bijuu and the list goes on...

If anything there wasn't enough Inquisition style technique burning in my opinion. Edo Tensei, Rinnegan (in general), Tensaigan (which I still don't acknowledge personally) and hiraishin come to mind in saying that.

Limbo was rejected shortly after explanation:

 http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,7957.0.html

put on a list for rejection:

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,7997.15.html

And as already said almost to sickness, nerfing the technique until it is a shadow of its former self is not fun, it's, at least to me, irritating. Why use Limbo when it is regulated to a invisible to the naked eye shadow clone that cannot even perform jutsu? What fun is there in using a canon technique if it is nerfed to the ground?

[Mei]

So one would think, but that's exactly what Madara did, just popped it into being. But anyway.

People already pull the 'I win cause senjutsu' card to plain retarded levels, and rikudou senjutsu is significantly beyond any normal modes, so to try put it not in crude words it would be a very very very bad idea to give that to anybody. It would worsen their god complex to plain outrageous levels.

If this jutsu does happen, normal animal-based sage modes and the like being able to sense limbo would be good. Using the necessity for sages to see this thing as an excuse to try get rikudou sage mode however, would be not, seriously fuck that.

You're right, I agree.

... We've incorporated faaar more dangerous things than this, instant kills, nearly instant space-time sniping/dodging, unlimited chakra and stamina zombies, easy to use village destroying jutsu, nearly impenetrable chakra titans with strength comparable of that to the Bijuu and the list goes on...

If anything there wasn't enough Inquisition style technique burning in my opinion. Edo Tensei, Rinnegan (in general), Tensaigan (which I still don't acknowledge personally) and hiraishin come to mind in saying that.

Limbo was rejected shortly after explanation:

 http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,7957.0.html

put on a list for rejection:

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,7997.15.html

And as already said almost to sickness, nerfing the technique until it is a shadow of its former self is not fun, it's, at least to me, irritating. Why use Limbo when it is regulated to a invisible to the naked eye shadow clone that cannot even perform jutsu? What fun is there in using a canon technique if it is nerfed to the ground?

I just wanted to say I didn't really see an explanation in that thread. It went from 0 to Void, real quick. But I got the point.

[Uchiha Madara]

I didn't say it was fun for everyone, but simply just giving my reason as to why I want to incorporate this. I'm also not saying you should let me use this jutsu because its fun for me. Just pointing out that it seems we'd rather be closed off to things than be open to them and atleast try. Also was pointing out there are things alot more dangerous that a majority of us use than invisible, hard to sense taijutsu clones.

... We've incorporated faaar more dangerous things than this, instant kills, nearly instant space-time sniping/dodging, unlimited chakra and stamina zombies, easy to use village destroying jutsu, nearly impenetrable chakra titans with strength comparable of that to the Bijuu and the list goes on...

If anything there wasn't enough Inquisition style technique burning in my opinion. Edo Tensei, Rinnegan (in general), Tensaigan (which I still don't acknowledge personally) and hiraishin come to mind in saying that.

Limbo was rejected shortly after explanation:

 http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,7957.0.html

put on a list for rejection:

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,7997.15.html

And as already said almost to sickness, nerfing the technique until it is a shadow of its former self is not fun, it's, at least to me, irritating. Why use Limbo when it is regulated to a invisible to the naked eye shadow clone that cannot even perform jutsu? What fun is there in using a canon technique if it is nerfed to the ground?

I'm trying to keep the core advantages of the technique intact. Most of the weaknesses are upon the user itself to make it fair for the opponent so they can make that their advantage. To answer your question, that is what basically Limbo is, an invisible to the naked eye shadow clone who never performed a jutsu.

I'm willingly to work around the details because these three aspects are the most important to me (as they make the jutsu what it is)

1. Hard to sense
2. Durable
3. Able to switch places