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[Bocchiere]

I feel like this is one of the biggest parts of the rules that need to be worked on and so I am making a separate topic for it.

I think they are so open to abuse and misuse because the current rules weren't meant for IC hunts. We had IC hunt bijuu rules before. They were dropped because they failed, quite impressively I might add. IC for these rules was just supposed to refer to an IC 1v1 to the death (usually).

So really we need to make rules for this aspect from the ground up. Like Kay did these are some of the outlines I think we need to fill.

What is expected of the host in an IC hunt? What is and is not acceptable? How far can they go with hiding and concealing their presence?

What is expect of the hunter in an IC hunt? Should it be possible for a single person with Byakugan or Mind's Eye to track down a bijuu or should it be expected that you need a party of people and a sizable commitment of time to track the person down?

[KayentaMoenkopi]

I think that some standard RP restrictions should apply.

No metagaming, no character controlling, no god modding.

What techniques make it possible to sense bijuu chakra? Are these technique instantly successful all the time or can they be countered?

Who has access to these techniques? ....goodness...I was just thinking about if Bijuu Hunter might become another class of ninja. Perhaps these ranked individuals with the specialized training would be hired to track beasts down for a clan or something...but then maybe some one else actually fought the host to try and take the bijuu and become the new host.

How does the bijuu seal work to contain the chakra of the beast?

Are mob attacks going to be permitted? Will there be a limit to number of participants?

Shall we divide the topic into two segments...

Hunt Rules....

Match Rules...perhaps match rules are just like any other and that is really not required. Save for...can a host flee from and RP encounter?

what a mess. Although that might make perfect story line sense, perhaps we should agree not to do that? You have been encountered fair and square so a face off is mandatory?

[Bocchiere]

Let's worry about the match later. Right now this topic is just to focus on the problems with the hunt, everything pre-match basically.

[UettoSenju]

I know in the past it was spoken off and I feel the need to bring it up again.

What is we made Biju strictly IC? No more OOC fights and such... I just was wondering what the feeling on that might be. Clearly there would never be a ordance to make obtaining them strictly OOC so what about strictly IC.

I know it is a touchy subject but I honestly wanna see if people are so appalled by this idea like some seem to be by the strictly OOC idea.

[UettoSenju]

if that question doesn't fit into what you were getting at here I apologize Boccy

[Bocchiere]

We did do that Kirk. I mean this in the literal and not the insulting form of the question, but where were you? For a while the bijuu rules did only allow IC hunts and it did not work. The rp's broke down 95% of the time and the participants agreed to do old school 1v1 fights instead. We tried all IC and it bombed.

[UettoSenju]

We did do that Kirk. I mean this in the literal and not the insulting form of the question, but where were you? For a while the bijuu rules did only allow IC hunts and it did not work. The rp's broke down 95% of the time and the participants agreed to do old school 1v1 fights instead. We tried all IC and it bombed.

Well I did just recently get enet back not to long ago and was without it from like a year to a year and a half. So I didn't keep track of things well. If it was before that.... well my memory sucks nowadays. Probably drank one to many somewhere down the line.

But I'm just saying maybe now it would. Perhaps the time was not right?

I mean I am certain that if rules are made for it correctly then it can work. Otherwise what is the point in having the IC hunts at all? Because a select few want it? Who cares... that just a liberal way of think. Somewhere down the line someone has to get screwed.

But I am really leaning to just IC hunt style and create some solid rules that will work this time. The main reason is for the bust in rp I could see it bringing forth.

And I am not offended at all.

[KayentaMoenkopi]

I Would not mind all RP based. However I an not keen on forcing people to have to go one route or the other. I think people should get to play how they want to. Without having to be insulted at every turn for following their personal preferences. As long as those preferences do not roll over another person without regard.

I feel one of the problems with it in the past was too many participants. That is a fight issue though. And we can talk about that later on.

Sometimes what makes sense in a story line is not going to make sense for RP or necessarily be fair. And it is my hope that we can come to some compromise to get as close as we can.

[UettoSenju]

I Would not mind all RP based. However I an not keen on forcing people to have to go one route or the other. I think people should get to play how they want to. Without having to be insulted at every turn for following their personal preferences. As long as those preferences do not roll over another person without regard.

I feel one of the problems with it in the past was too many participants. That is a fight issue though. And we can talk about that later on.

Sometimes what makes sense in a story line is not going to make sense for RP or necessarily be fair. And it is my hope that we can come to some compromise to get as close as we can.

It wasn't in mind to force this upon anyone. I simply wanted to know if the people who do the OOC thing would be willing to let is go so that there can be just one way of handling the beast. Sense the IC hunt people aren't really willing to bulge at all.

I'm not trying to tell anyone that this way is better than that way. However, I will say that one way is more simple than two ways. It is much easier to uphold, monitor, regulate, and operate on one method than it is on two.

[Garō, Ichirou]

I think a big issue that lies in the IC hunts is the fact that Villages themselves are so riddled with defense due to the fear of clan attacks that The host can nuzzle up nice and cozy in the village walls and really not have to worry about anything, (I know cause i've done it).

It would require a clan attack to draw out the Biju from a Village with it's OP defenses, So perhaps that's something that rules could be made for? i.e The biju cannot remain within their village for a period of forever, and have to actually come out into a zone or just state leaving their village, Or; we nerf the defenses that can be established around villages.

Another thing is that with chakra suppression techniques a host could literally just camp and avoid 90% probability of getting found. Unless someone really dedicated themselves to the hunt, which i'm not saying wouldn't be a good thing or isn't plausible, but with bouncy activity super extensive rps tend to go nowhere unless they're completed fast. If they take days, they usually fall off. Or so it seems

[Masane]

I Would not mind all RP based. However I an not keen on forcing people to have to go one route or the other. I think people should get to play how they want to. Without having to be insulted at every turn for following their personal preferences. As long as those preferences do not roll over another person without regard.

I feel one of the problems with it in the past was too many participants. That is a fight issue though. And we can talk about that later on.

Sometimes what makes sense in a story line is not going to make sense for RP or necessarily be fair. And it is my hope that we can come to some compromise to get as close as we can.

It wasn't in mind to force this upon anyone. I simply wanted to know if the people who do the OOC thing would be willing to let is go so that there can be just one way of handling the beast. Sense the IC hunt people aren't really willing to bulge at all.

I'm not trying to tell anyone that this way is better than that way. However, I will say that one way is more simple than two ways. It is much easier to uphold, monitor, regulate, and operate on one method than it is on two.

I think the beast fights should be Ic because you are getting the beast Ic. Like Kirk said one way is more manageable. If a host chooses to hide and never leave their heavily defended village, they could maybe be presented with the choice to fight or avoid the hunter or be stripped. 
I look at the beasts as a way to promote rp. What's the point of having a beast if you just hide?

[Trev]

The only IC hunt that ever worked was really Bocc and myself, and that only worked cause we liked each other and I'm not overly difficult as many of SL can attest to.

Personally I would get rid of IC hunt, but if it must remain, here are the guidelines.

1. Bring back the rule that the host must leave the village every two weeks for one day. This gives the hunter an opportune time to attack, and avoids getting a whole village involved (Never ends well) Heck the host can take bodyguards if they want, idc just leave the village. Perhaps like Kay's idea, a new personal village rank can be a jinch bodyguard? If the host wants they can even set up shop in a personal lair full of traps (Trev went to Mugen Castle) so they're not really losing any advantage.

2. The host is not allowed to hide their presence, no special seals that hide yours or biju chakra, nothing.

3. The way in which people finds biju is suppose to be hard, it needs to be more than sharingan or Byakugan, it needs to be hard. Ideally it shouldn't take any chakra skills, but rather some espionage. Ask around the village, use a technique like Orochimaru did during the chuunin exams and disguise yourself, be a damn ninja and find out info. Kidnap a village member and give em back in exchange for info, something.

Half the problems with IC fights come from 2 and 3. Challenger says I used so and so technique to find you, host says I used so and so to hide and what you did was not legit, etc, etc.

[Masane]

The only IC hunt that ever worked was really Bocc and myself, and that only worked cause we liked each other and I'm not overly difficult as many of SL can attest to.

Personally I would get rid of IC hunt, but if it must remain, here are the guidelines.

1. Bring back the rule that the host must leave the village every two weeks for one day. This gives the hunter an opportune time to attack, and avoids getting a whole village involved (Never ends well) Heck the host can take bodyguards if they want, idc just leave the village. Perhaps like Kay's idea, a new personal village rank can be a jinch bodyguard? If the host wants they can even set up shop in a personal lair full of traps (Trev went to Mugen Castle) so they're not really losing any advantage.

2. The host is not allowed to hide their presence, no special seals that hide yours or biju chakra, nothing.

3. The way in which people finds biju is suppose to be hard, it needs to be more than sharingan or Byakugan, it needs to be hard. Ideally it shouldn't take any chakra skills, but rather some espionage. Ask around the village, use a technique like Orochimaru did during the chuunin exams and disguise yourself, be a damn ninja and find out info. Kidnap a village member and give em back in exchange for info, something.

Half the problems with IC fights come from 2 and 3. Challenger says I used so and so technique to find you, host says I used so and so to hide and what you did was not legit, etc, etc.

Yes.

[Garō, Ichirou]

The only IC hunt that ever worked was really Bocc and myself, and that only worked cause we liked each other and I'm not overly difficult as many of SL can attest to.

Personally I would get rid of IC hunt, but if it must remain, here are the guidelines.

1. Bring back the rule that the host must leave the village every two weeks for one day. This gives the hunter an opportune time to attack, and avoids getting a whole village involved (Never ends well) Heck the host can take bodyguards if they want, idc just leave the village. Perhaps like Kay's idea, a new personal village rank can be a jinch bodyguard? If the host wants they can even set up shop in a personal lair full of traps (Trev went to Mugen Castle) so they're not really losing any advantage.

2. The host is not allowed to hide their presence, no special seals that hide yours or biju chakra, nothing.

3. The way in which people finds biju is suppose to be hard, it needs to be more than sharingan or Byakugan, it needs to be hard. Ideally it shouldn't take any chakra skills, but rather some espionage. Ask around the village, use a technique like Orochimaru did during the chuunin exams and disguise yourself, be a damn ninja and find out info. Kidnap a village member and give em back in exchange for info, something.

Half the problems with IC fights come from 2 and 3. Challenger says I used so and so technique to find you, host says I used so and so to hide and what you did was not legit, etc, etc.

I can definitely agree to this,

[Eric]

For the record, I feel that the IC aspect should stay out. The beasts do not generally generate RP and that is not really their purpose for existing either, or at least most people do not act that way. If it were their purpose then both challengers and hunters would get along for the sake of RP progression. It's not about the RP, it's about the power, abilities, and (mostly) prestige. There is little denying it with the way most of the hunts have been conducted just this calendar year alone.

But as Uetto said, as much as I hate the biju and IC and all that stuff, this isn't one of those things that I am completely immovable on. If people want to jump back into those shark infested waters with a different suit to try to make it better then who am I to both complain and not doing anything to help with that?

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1. Bring back the rule that the host must leave the village every two weeks for one day. This gives the hunter an opportune time to attack, and avoids getting a whole village involved (Never ends well) Heck the host can take bodyguards if they want, idc just leave the village. Perhaps like Kay's idea, a new personal village rank can be a jinch bodyguard? If the host wants they can even set up shop in a personal lair full of traps (Trev went to Mugen Castle) so they're not really losing any advantage...

If a host can set up in their own customized fortress, that completely defeats the purpose of having them leave the village. Like, truly, it does. And right in the beginning I want to make it clear that trying to find a middle ground between making "RP sense" and being "fair" is more trouble than it is worth. Just make it fair to begin with and forget about it making "RP sense".

2. The host is not allowed to hide their presence, no special seals that hide yours or biju chakra, nothing.

3. The way in which people finds biju is suppose to be hard, it needs to be more than sharingan or Byakugan, it needs to be hard. Ideally it shouldn't take any chakra skills, but rather some espionage. Ask around the village, use a technique like Orochimaru did during the chuunin exams and disguise yourself, be a damn ninja and find out info. Kidnap a village member and give em back in exchange for info, something.

Again, contradictory. If hosts cannot hide thier chakra in any fashion, they should very well be sensible by standard means. If chakra skills are not allowed to be used, then why not allow them to hide their presence then? Because if he/she goes out of the village on a regular basis (two weeks) that alone is a huge flag that something is up, especially when a large number of regular people don't even leave their own village that regularly. Not to mention "Yeah I'm attacking this guy, but not for the biju, he just happened to be there with his escort" is always a possible statement to be claimed.

Coincidental attacks right as the host is leaving the village are not unheard of, and are the easiest way around the silly espionage requirement, unless you are going to invalidate the capturing of the biju if it is done that way.