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Re: Ichirou names himself Godaime Amegake
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2016, 09:44:19 PM »

This seriously has to be the dumbest thread I have ever read.

The guy saw an issue, and made an attempt to solve it. Now he get's bashed on by people who as Shadow said, "Don't give a Shit about Ame..." for doing it.

FOR SHAME!

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Re: Ichirou names himself Godaime Amegake
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2016, 10:27:22 PM »

Yes I saw it said it wasn' t about being Kage, but clearly I do not buy that load of bull. Otherwise why claim the title in the first place when it is not required to bolster Ame's RP and make of it an active village once again? Your words do not fit your actions.

I didn't address the issue of 'caring' about Ame because I thought it was a stupid comment. Speaking up about this issue should have made that obvious, otherwise why would I bother? I have four characters currently living in Ame that I removed from the clan because people refused to take their 'destroy the village-I am oh so powerful and am gonna make you eat it-bully festival' to the zones. Once the goon squad arrived it was patently clear to me that there was never going to be any rp, but rather stalled posts while people carped at each other about if this jutsu was possible or that jutsu was possible or if he can have this power or she can have that....just like was done when Yujo killed the wonder twins. Endless days of sitting around face-palming while the bickering held up posting order in a never ending stream of stupidity. And Kage's reward for standing by them during that? Let's look back and see...

Oh yeah, the arrival of the goon squad to teach Ame a lesson and Ichi's jumping ship and claiming to be Amekage.

I have yet to see one person post in this thread who cares about Ame other than myself, to be honest. Typically you do not attack a village that you care for nor undermine its potential by partitioning up its rp base. What I do see are a bunch of people who worked very hard to tear it down and continue to work toward that end.

Basically the only thing that people care about are obtaining bijuu and destroying everything, and I mean everything- friendships, villages, rp potential, and any sense of community cohesion and fun- to the point that people can't be bothered to pull gate guard duty and even quit SL to seek RP in other places without all the drama. If Ame hadn't had bijuu no one would have given them a second glance and it would have been free to continue with their RP. No one would have 'cared' about it at all.

But bravo to one and all for further dividing the community.

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Re: Ichirou names himself Godaime Amegake
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2016, 11:44:18 PM »

I'm with Trev on this. Pull an Iwa and start a Coup. It would be pretty interesting RP that can also incorporate both parties. It would probably be more legitimate this way at least. 
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Re: Ichirou names himself Godaime Amegake
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2016, 11:54:17 PM »

Kayenta someone could pick their nose and you would find a way to frame it as some terrible world shaking event.

Konoha did this same thing a while ago as I recall and we're all still alive in spite of that.

If ichi actually rps this out as Trev suggested instead of just magically being in charge of the village no questions asked then there is no problem here.
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Re: Ichirou names himself Godaime Amegake
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2016, 12:10:49 AM »

No problem here what so ever, in fact it only creates rp.

I understand your issue Kay, but nothing to really do about it.

Way I see it, not different than similar politics from medieval era.

Kage is the legit ruler, Ichi has a problem with him and wants the crown. Ichi makes his own clan and is attempting to usurp him. Ichi only gains authority if enough people support his cause, but at the end of the day is still illegitimate. Basically at this point he's a rebel group. How does Ichi gain legitimacy?

A. Negotiate's with Kage. Perhaps if he has enough supporters, Kage will step down.
B. Civil War eventually breaks out to decide winner.
C. Attempts diplomacy with foreign nations so they see him as the lead power.

In Real life terms, it's like any war of succession, in Naruto terms is just like Nagato and Hanzo. Two forces, one country.

I suggest they treat it like an rp scenario. Ichi please do roleplay like the Godaime Amekage, but please don't assume you control Amegakure just yet. You are a rebel, the Akatsuki like in the Naruto. Strive to convert your home nation, win a civil war, or plead with other nations to recognize you. 

I see nothing here, but great rp scenarios. Perhaps the people of Ame will turn on Kage, perhaps loyal Ame forces will stomp out Ichi and the pretenders, perhaps world wide conflict happens because say Suna sides with Kage, but Oto sides with Ichi. Truly wonderful.

I actually like the idea of the coup and rebel forces, it is a good way to tie everything together and maintain the goal.

Kayenta. It seems to me that you still visualize me as a power hungry rp'er like I used to be. And I wont lie I was power hungry when I first came around and for awhile. But my hiatus from the site did me a lot of good, and all i'm doing here is trying to create RP in my favorite location in the verse.

Argue all you want that I could have done more in the village, but if your three alts were living there why was it dead in the first place? Lol.



Oh yeah, the arrival of the goon squad to teach Ame a lesson and Ichi's jumping ship and claiming to be Amekage.



You've got your order of events wrong, I was gone before the attack on the village happened. And I literally just made this new clan. So don't act like the new clan was a response to the attack. It wasn't.

And from what i've seen, I haven't really divided the community. Once again you're treating the current Amegakure as some form of massive powerhouse in the rp world, which it hasn't been for quite some time. In fact i've gotten more support about this than I even expected to get, so there's that too.

Now I have a better way to go about all this, i'm not claiming to entirely replace the village, but we're rebelling and building a new Amegakure, a title is just a word until it is recognized. Show me where I forced anyone to acknowledge me as an Amekage? Wait.. I didn't... Oh my.

The point is, quell your anger and stop treating me like a heathen for wanting to fix something broken.
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Re: Ichirou names himself Godaime Amegake
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2016, 01:05:48 AM »

Too lazy to quote specific individuals but I have read the thread.

Just claiming to be the Godaime Amekage and creating a new clan is indeed a "slap in the face" to the people who have been at the site for years to earn their rank.

However, that doesn't necessarily mean you have to delete the clan. I very strongly agree with the coup d'etat ideal in order to reorganize and congeal this rift. If you use the clan created to gather your supposed sympathizers,  then lead the assault on Kage, well that's a good way of using it. That's what the Iwa Resistance did against the Akatsuki here.

However, no one* will accept you as being the new Amekage until you actually overthrow Kage. Or he steps down. Whichever happens first.


*Well, I cannt say everyone. But I will say that Kirigakure won't acknowledge this shift in power. Especially since this version of Ichirou is a Sound Five shinobi escorting the Yondaime Otokage through my village.  >:D
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Re: Ichirou names himself Godaime Amegake
« Reply #36 on: January 17, 2016, 01:53:24 AM »

I don't see where Ichi can over throw Kage when Kage is so inactive. The idea of a coup is great that's why I thought to do it when The goon squad wanted to leave Ame due to Kage's op defense among other things.
The cold hard fact of this is that Amegakure is rp dead and no amount of alts or posting can fix it. Otherwise I would not be thinking about defecting for the sake of rp and there would not be two Amegakure.
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Re: Ichirou names himself Godaime Amegake
« Reply #37 on: January 17, 2016, 04:25:54 AM »

Yes I saw it said it wasn' t about being Kage, but clearly I do not buy that load of bull. Otherwise why claim the title in the first place when it is not required to bolster Ame's RP and make of it an active village once again? Your words do not fit your actions.

I didn't address the issue of 'caring' about Ame because I thought it was a stupid comment. Speaking up about this issue should have made that obvious, otherwise why would I bother? I have four characters currently living in Ame that I removed from the clan because people refused to take their 'destroy the village-I am oh so powerful and am gonna make you eat it-bully festival' to the zones...


Kind of hypocritical to take four characters out of Ame's active character pool (that's like what, 1/3 of their active player base if I understand the situation right?) and then call someone out on breaking camp and weakening Amegakure. And for what? Cause a bunch of RPers come to the clan halls and stir up some stuff that you don't like but the Kage of the village permitted?

Oh right, it doesn't really matter, 'cause they were just alts doin' stuff. No need to stick around or even bother petitioning to Kage, you know, the legitimate Amekage about it or anything. Just up and leave, you got no stakes in it.

Please don't pretend THAT is leagues better than what Ichirou is doing. At least his heart is in the right place.

Kage has made it clear time and time again, especially during the Ichirou beast debacles, that he is a large figure in Ame RP. Upset about that? Complain to the man in charge; you can shout at the illegals all day, but it's the gatekeepers' jobs to keep them out, and Kage was quite fine with the whole thing till it stalled.

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... And Kage's reward for standing by them during that? Let's look back and see...

Oh yeah, the arrival of the goon squad to teach Ame a lesson and Ichi's jumping ship and claiming to be Amekage.

This, just doesn't make sense, especially if the "goon squad" was already in Amegakure prior to this sarcastic reward stage.

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...But bravo to one and all for further dividing the community.

Yes, bravo. I can count on my hands the number of players who would have made a big deal about this OUT OF CHARACTER had you not made a post here just to see if everyone else's pot boils hot for this as yours does.
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Re: Ichirou names himself Godaime Amegake
« Reply #38 on: January 17, 2016, 04:36:43 AM »

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Re: Ichirou names himself Godaime Amegake
« Reply #40 on: January 17, 2016, 06:01:54 AM »

Well that settles this topic. If Kage has nothing to say about it I think we can all shut up.
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Re: Ichirou names himself Godaime Amegake
« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2016, 06:08:29 AM »

Yes I saw it said it wasn' t about being Kage, but clearly I do not buy that load of bull. Otherwise why claim the title in the first place when it is not required to bolster Ame's RP and make of it an active village once again? Your words do not fit your actions.

I didn't address the issue of 'caring' about Ame because I thought it was a stupid comment. Speaking up about this issue should have made that obvious, otherwise why would I bother? I have four characters currently living in Ame that I removed from the clan because people refused to take their 'destroy the village-I am oh so powerful and am gonna make you eat it-bully festival' to the zones...


Kind of hypocritical to take four characters out of Ame's active character pool (that's like what, 1/3 of their active player base if I understand the situation right?) and then call someone out on breaking camp and weakening Amegakure. And for what? Cause a bunch of RPers come to the clan halls and stir up some stuff that you don't like but the Kage of the village permitted?

Oh right, it doesn't really matter, 'cause they were just alts doin' stuff. No need to stick around or even bother petitioning to Kage, you know, the legitimate Amekage about it or anything. Just up and leave, you got no stakes in it.

Please don't pretend THAT is leagues better than what Ichirou is doing. At least his heart is in the right place.

Kage has made it clear time and time again, especially during the Ichirou beast debacles, that he is a large figure in Ame RP. Upset about that? Complain to the man in charge; you can shout at the illegals all day, but it's the gatekeepers' jobs to keep them out, and Kage was quite fine with the whole thing till it stalled.

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... And Kage's reward for standing by them during that? Let's look back and see...

Oh yeah, the arrival of the goon squad to teach Ame a lesson and Ichi's jumping ship and claiming to be Amekage.

This, just doesn't make sense, especially if the "goon squad" was already in Amegakure prior to this sarcastic reward stage.

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...But bravo to one and all for further dividing the community.

Yes, bravo. I can count on my hands the number of players who would have made a big deal about this OUT OF CHARACTER had you not made a post here just to see if everyone else's pot boils hot for this as yours does.

Eric. You have no idea what conversations Kage and I had during that time. Nor what RP my alts were engaged upon, or the importance I place upon my alts. Two of them are not what I Would call alts at all but rather main characters.


Ichi...I never said you made your clan because of the attack. I said the attack came because of the huge stagnation in RP when Yujo killed you and your sister. And I certainly was RPing before then, trying to RP through it, and said piss on it after the goon squad came to RIP Ame a new one for not just giving over the bijuu upon your death. Had you the slightest ability to deal with the consequences of RP, none of that would have happened.

Of course you were not here when the attack came...why would you stick around to deal with your mess?

 SO don't preach to me about how none of this is your fault and what you just want to do for the good of Ame. I'm not buying it, no matter how nasty the comments of others become. Time to stop wasting your breath. I certainly am done.

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Re: Ichirou names himself Godaime Amegake
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2016, 06:09:52 AM »

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