Shinobi Legends Forum
Game Development => Feature Requests => Topic started by: Neji on November 05, 2011, 02:50:56 PM
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As described in http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6778.0.html - there are possible changes that may be made due to the progression in the Naruto timeline (whereas the basic structure has not been touched for ~ 3 years in SL)
Please vote - so I see the general tendency and may schedule first changes.
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Also if you feel strongly to one side, or also have other ideas, feel free to post them here or on the other topic.
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Being an evil shinobi of Otogakure, I'm sure I speak for every Sound ninja when I ask the following:
- Will the village that replace us treat people with EVIL alignment well (Forest ANBUs, village buffs, e.g.)?
- If not, will another village become (or accept) EVIL? Kirigakure could become one since they have a history of having an evil nature.
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I could see Iwagakure or Kirigakure having the corrupt ANBU, most likely Kiri.
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Why not both? If ANY village should have corrupt ANBU, it should be Iwagakure and Kirigakure--they both have a corrupt history.
Proof of Iwagakure's EVIL:
- Iwa was also known to have attempted to destroy Konoha (a village that promotes peace) many times in the past.
- After the invasion of Konoha led by Orochimaru had occurred, Iwa took the opportunity to strike back at Konoha by deploying an extensive amount of genin led by an Iwagakure jōnin to attack the destroyed village.
- Ōnoki had been frequently employing Akatsuki secretly to fight for them during any quarrels they would encounter (This is a BIG one).
In all honesty, Iwagakure's nothing, but evil if you ask me.
As for Kirigakure... Well; they've done far too many EVIL things for me to list. I'm pretty sure everyone can agree with me on this one.
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Mangetsu makes sense, based on everything he said we could be considered evil. And although we may not be completely evil, we are a lot more eviler then other villages here.
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Both Iwa and Kiri should be on the evil side in my opinion.
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Some know me, some don't, whatever. Point being, I want Oto to be split into Kumogakure and Iwagakure for RP-based reasons. However, if Oto is going to become the new Iwa, then do sound born shinobi start there still, or are they going to start somewhere else? And will there be new "birth" types seeing as Iwa and Kumo are going to become like regular villages. If not, then it still rotates back to what are the sound-born ninja going to do.
As a leaf born ninja for life, I don't have to worry much, but as an evil shinobi in-game I do have to be concerned with what happens to the sound-born people of Otogakure. It is also assumed that Otogakure is also going to retain its shops and the works?
Hoshi never really had much importance, but by making it Amegakure then it has a purpose. Making Ninja Central into the Land of Iron would make more logical sense, though how or if that will change the actual RP in that village is beyond me.
~Nara Eric
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Some know me, some don't, whatever. Point being, I want Oto to be split into Kumogakure and Iwagakure for RP-based reasons. However, if Oto is going to become the new Iwa, then do sound born shinobi start there still, or are they going to start somewhere else? And will there be new "birth" types seeing as Iwa and Kumo are going to become like regular villages. If not, then it still rotates back to what are the sound-born ninja going to do.
As a leaf born ninja for life, I don't have to worry much, but as an evil shinobi in-game I do have to be concerned with what happens to the sound-born people of Otogakure. It is also assumed that Otogakure is also going to retain its shops and the works?
Hoshi never really had much importance, but by making it Amegakure then it has a purpose. Making Ninja Central into the Land of Iron would make more logical sense, though how or if that will change the actual RP in that village is beyond me.
~Nara Eric
Sound ninja will [most likely] be reset into the missing ninja race, and have the option to choose any village they want.
Otogakure will be replace where Iwa is now (Hidden, requires 100 gems to find currently), and will keep their shops as all the modules and that good stuff was made in the Village Changes thread.
Amegakure can be seen as a base for future Akatsuki and Genesis like organizations, and will act as so. I also support the option to make it free to everyone and disable the 25-DK requirement, but not be a race able to reborn in much like the current Ninja Central, and just change the names of it's current shops and events to more evil-themed things, such as Pein's Academy or Konan's Origami, they're not actually there but rather examples.
Recently, I created a Kage Summit dwelling in Ninja Central, to act as sort of a Kage meeting area in the future Land of Iron and currently. Besides helping and acting as a meeting area for the five Kage's, it could also be a host area to the Samurai, seeing as it's the only place in the ninja world left that they're still in use at.
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Both Iwa and Kiri should be on the evil side in my opinion.
I agree.
Proof of Kirigakure's EVIL:
- An unusually high number of missing-nin seem to originate from this village.
- Akatsuki is rumoured to have been created in Kirigakure.
- The Kaguya clan once waged war against Kirigakure to quench their lust for battle. (I've noticed that most clans of Kirigakure have an evil nature.)
- Kirigakure ninja and most other citizens of the Land of Water are suspicious of those with genetic abilities, and in fact have persecuted them in the past. (Talk 'bout cruelty.)
- Kirigakure began using a new graduation ritual for their academy. Students wishing to move on into the ranks of the ninja would be pitted against each other in one-on-one duels to the death.
- "Village of the Bloody Mist" is the named given to Kirigakure for its cruelty.
- Swordsmen of the Mist are considered as "devils" and all the members have an EVIL character.
- Most Mist ninja have a tendency to try and overthrow the government and assassinated several officials.
- Madara's influence over Yagura, the Fourth Mizukage, caused devastation upon Kirigakure and converted most Mist ninja to have an EVIL nature.
- Mist ninjas, unlike other ninjas for other villages, treat each other coldly! <___< Wait... Sound ninjas treat each other coldly, too. This means...
As Iwagakure no Sato, Kirigakure should be EVIL for the reasons I provided. It should be enough .
Some know me, some don't, whatever. Point being, I want Oto to be split into Kumogakure and Iwagakure for RP-based reasons. However, if Oto is going to become the new Iwa, then do sound born shinobi start there still, or are they going to start somewhere else? And will there be new "birth" types seeing as Iwa and Kumo are going to become like regular villages. If not, then it still rotates back to what are the sound-born ninja going to do.
As a leaf born ninja for life, I don't have to worry much, but as an evil shinobi in-game I do have to be concerned with what happens to the sound-born people of Otogakure. It is also assumed that Otogakure is also going to retain its shops and the works?
Hoshi never really had much importance, but by making it Amegakure then it has a purpose. Making Ninja Central into the Land of Iron would make more logical sense, though how or if that will change the actual RP in that village is beyond me.
~Nara Eric
I dislike your opinion.
If anything should be changed, it should be the following:
- Otogakure becomes Iwagakure
- Ninja Central becomes Kumogakure
- Hoshigakure becomes Ninja Central
- Tetsu no Kuni (Land of Iron) becomes Iwagakure (the old one, the one that cost something-gems and a map to get to).
- Orochimaru, the final Boss, should be replaced with the Jyuubi. Since the original Boss was a huge dragon, it makes sense for the Jyuubi, a huge monster that wishes devastation upon mankind, to become the final Boss.
If such changes occur, I believe everything within the society of Shinobi Legends will be updated and make more sense. :P
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Sorry Mangetsu, I disagree with those views for village changes, and it is the other ideas I outlined in the other thread linked in the first post we are voting for.
I'll give my reasons why I think it should be the way I outlined, then you may explain your reasoning to if you wish.
Otogakure split into Kumogakure and Iwagakure as playable races.
Reasoning: Kumo and Iwa make up the remaining five great shinobi races, and in my opinion, should be available to playable races.
Iwagakure becomes Otogakure
Reasoning: Otogakure isn't a real village, and frankly, not many people go for it anymore. This way it is still there, and those who still want to claim some kind of Sound allegiance have the opportunity to be there, just not as a playable race.
Hoshigakure becomes Amegakure
Reasoning: Hoshi is just a filler village, where as Ame is a real village, is very hard to get into due to years of civil war (explains why you can't get there until Sannin).
Nin Central becomes Land of Iron
Reasoning: Again, Nin Central isn't a real village, whereas the Land of Iron would make a good neutral 'village' as it has no ties with the Shinobi world in general.
Also, I disagree about making Jyuubi replace Oro, as it doesn't exist any more, The Sage split it AGES ago.
If anything, I think Pein or Tobi could replace Oro.
Also, any Sound nin will most likely as said, have their race set to missing nin, then they can choose a new race at the newday.
Also the shops in all villages may be moved around, some new ones, etc etc.
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Well I don't currently disagree or agree with Kiri becoming 'evil' I do want to throw in that Terumii even said that 'That time when Yagara was kage is over etc.' And they seem to have a much better outlook on things, considering that now the Mizukage has two Kekkei Genkais back when they did used to execute anyone who had one back when (Assuming) Yagara (Madara?) was Kage and the one still remaining Swordsman of the Mist isn't an insane power hungry killer defector like the others, (That are talked about) are/were. Also we don't know if before Yagara was Mizukage they were still knee deep in all of this evil and death. >_>
Being that most opinions and facts kinda come from a Konoha nin, it seems that the most 'evil' were Kumo and Iwa since they fought against them the most, and Kumo did that whole head ninja stunt to get the Byakugan.
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Yeah I agree the way I see it:
-Kirigakure was evil, if it still is... doesn't quite seem that way.
-Kumogakure was 'evil' but again, probably just Konoha's perspective.
-Iwagakure, in league with Akatsuki, so it may be 'evil' also.
Any of them could fill the gap of evil.
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It's just hard to determine what villages would become evil because a lot of the evil deeds were done in the past, but the villages no longer are viewed that way due to this joint shinobi stuff going on in the manga, and also the fact that a lot of them have turned over a new leaf in the recent years. I would love to prove a counterargument as to why Kiri wouldn't be evil, but eh, I honestly don't care if the alignment changes because if we need to compensate for losing Oto as an evil village then why not? :D
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It's just hard to determine what villages would become evil because a lot of the evil deeds were done in the past, but the villages no longer are viewed that way due to this joint shinobi stuff going on in the manga, and also the fact that a lot of them have turned over a new leaf in the recent years. I would love to prove a counterargument as to why Kiri wouldn't be evil, but eh, I honestly don't care if the alignment changes because if we need to compensate for losing Oto as an evil village then why not? :D
And I agree.
Anyway, I stand by what I said earlier, both Iwagakure and Kirigakure (or at least Kirigakure, the place where Akatsuki sprouted its roots) should have EVIL ANBU.
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Hate to correct you there Mangetsu, but Akatsuki was founded in the Rain Country by Yahiko, Konan and Nagato.
There is the fact that Tobi claims it was he who was behind it, but still it all seems to have occurred in Amegakure.
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Hate to correct you there Mangetsu, but Akatsuki was founded in the Rain Country by Yahiko, Konan and Nagato.
There is the fact that Tobi claims it was he who was behind it, but still it all seems to have occurred in Amegakure.
I just read the chapter, and you're right.
Aside from that fact, I've provided enough evidence to show Kirigakure's evil nature. I'm sure everyone can agree on this.
If everyone's going to say, "Oh, well, the new manga shows that they've changed", then I can safety assume the same thing about Iwagakure. After all, the Tsuchikage declared that he wasn't going to cheat other villages after the war. On second thought, why not say that all villages are good now? ;)
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Well they're all 'good' now, but SL doesn't strictly follow the Manga storyline. I think there should still be an evil village.
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I think its safe to say that, with a 27-0 vote currently, we all want these changes. :P
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Well there is still a week of voting to go. Plus there is a lot more than 27 people on SL. lol
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I guess we just need to promote this link as much as possible on SL, since some people who may have opinions may not know about the forum/ may not have an account to voice their opinions, but it does seem quite overwhelmingly in favor to have the changes. 8)
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Oh, I think I know how to spread the word. :twisted:
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>_> SPAM!!!
But anyway, I posted it in a couple of key places on SL, plus I've suggested to Neji that he put a Link to this topic in a MoTD.
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Yeah, I'm actually making a valid post on the forum, but... I speak for all those who are claiming to be from Iwagakure or Kumogakure, respectively.
This is their time! :3
That is all.
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Yeeees, there are more than 29 players on SL. And at least half of them don't even do FFs anymore and just garden and roleplay~. I'm not expecting there to ever be more than 3 no's at most.
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I doubt many people are going to vote, with MW3 just coming out. :cool:
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I think we should forget about the whole good vs evil thing village-wise. I propose that ANBU of the villages simply attack anyone who has not been "born" into the village. After all, we are creating Kumo and Iwa for RP purposes right? Why deny certain people the opportunity to RP and play in that village based on alignment. Even if the villages as a whole, are good or evil, we know that doesnt mean everyone in the village, per se, are that.
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I personally disagree. That isn't a ANBU job, and frankly, as far as I can tell there is no law against travelling to another village, it's been done plenty of times in the series, usually there needs to be proper documentation etc etc. And really, who does turns in another village anyway?
And the ANBU hardly denies someone the opportunity to play in that village, why if that were the case that would force every single evil character in the game to be in Oto, but do I see that happening? No.
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Teeheehee, I said no one does turns in a village that isn't their home village anyway as well.
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Okay, correct me if I am wrong but the creation of these two new villages is to stick closer to the manga AND for RP purposes, right?
If a player's alignment is Evil but his RP affiliation is Konoha, is it fair for that player to make another village (of an Evil alignment) his home village?
And if no one does turns in a village that isnt their home village anyway, then what's the point in even having Good/Evil Anbu as well as the alignment within the villages themselves? What difference does that make if no one is going to do turns in a village that's opposite of his/her alignment?
At least my reasons supports for RP purposes. What does Good vs Evil for villages support? Nothing...
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I occasionally do my turns in other villages (usually opposite my alignment), and I am well aware there are probably more. I do however enjoy the extra bio fodder, as I believe the more ANBU I slay, the more evil/good my alignment becomes. But hey, that's just me.
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Not every event as to be considered for RP you know? Hey everyone I killed Itachi in the forest and stole his eyes, I'm awesome! etc etc.
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Simply saying this.
Shinobi Legends isn't a RP site.
Its a game first and a place for RP second. Anything added into the game can be beneficial for roleplay, but the fact remains that SL has been, and will always be, a game, RP is just a sideline you can do when you're tired of leveling for now.
Good, evil. Its makes far more sense than ANBU attacking people just because they're from another village. It would be like hosting the chuunin exams. Shall I become an ANBU and slaughter all the senseis and genin for joining the chuunin exams, for they are visiting? Make logical sense out of this; Suna and Iwa would attack each other on sight, thats because of their history. That is -not- the case for Suna and Konoha. However, to incorporate that into roleplay, you'd have to add in Village Masters/Kages in the actual game itself to change the event of what villages ANBU attack and who they don't. Which is stupid.
Good and Evil is such a more simpler and better means. No fancy coding with village alliances, no silly 'everyone hates everyone' gimmick, if the village is generally good, the ANBU will ward off evil ninja whom would threaten the village, and evil villages would repel the good ninjas that come due to their nature.
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Reimu have you been reading my rants about SL not being an RP site? ^^
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I've always known it wasn't a RP site. People just have a nasty habit to get consumed with the RP sideline.
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Agreed. If you want full on RP, then your best to do that on RP forum of sorts, as SL is made to handle full on RP.
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Simply saying this.
Shinobi Legends isn't a RP site.
Its a game first and a place for RP second. Anything added into the game can be beneficial for roleplay, but the fact remains that SL has been, and will always be, a game, RP is just a sideline you can do when you're tired of leveling for now.
Good, evil. Its makes far more sense than ANBU attacking people just because they're from another village. It would be like hosting the chuunin exams. Shall I become an ANBU and slaughter all the senseis and genin for joining the chuunin exams, for they are visiting? Make logical sense out of this; Suna and Iwa would attack each other on sight, thats because of their history. That is -not- the case for Suna and Konoha. However, to incorporate that into roleplay, you'd have to add in Village Masters/Kages in the actual game itself to change the event of what villages ANBU attack and who they don't. Which is stupid.
Good and Evil is such a more simpler and better means. No fancy coding with village alliances, no silly 'everyone hates everyone' gimmick, if the village is generally good, the ANBU will ward off evil ninja whom would threaten the village, and evil villages would repel the good ninjas that come due to their nature.
You're just making it sound like the coder(s) are too lazy to change it. >.>
"Good vs Evil is so simple, so let's keep it" >.>
Also in regards to the ANBU, my suggestion is what happens when you are fighting in the forest so your 2nd paragraph doesnt make sense. Bear in mind, RP-wise there are things such as invitations to come in another village that is not your own.
And, what does village alliances even mean in this game? Forgive me, I may have been away for a while but why do are alliances even mentioned ingame if there is no event (correct me, if I'm wrong) relating to them?
Keep in mind, what I am suggesting doesnt even affect me. I'm good and my affiliation is with Konoha so I'm good. I am just speaking for other people that have affiliation to other villages but they have the opposite alignment of those villages. If you dont want to change it, then fine.
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If you dont want to change it, then fine.
You need only have said that; so, will Ichiraku's Ramen be moved to Konohagakure?
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No, as the 'Inn' of SL, it has too stay in the Capital city.
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Can an Ichiraku's Ramen be established in Konoha whilst lacking the inn feature, then have the one in the future Land of Iron renamed to The Inn? (Similar to how there's a Merick's Stables and the much more generalized Beasts)
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Well it could but currently it's not in Konoha anyway, so I don't think it's necessary, but meh, maybe.
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maybe.
That's good enough for me!
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Well basically everything in the Inn is built into it, so basically if you wanted to make an actual Ichiraku's in Konoha, it'd have to be completely rebuilt.
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You couldn't use the same script and remove the features that would make it less of an inn and more of a restaurant? Apparently the name Ichiraku Ramen is used by a real-life ramen restaurant, whereas Ramen Ichiraku serves as the name for the restaurant within the naruto-universe.
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Personally seems redundant to me. >_>
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It sounds pretty terrible for a name too... but then again, 'Ichiraku' isn't somebody who exists within the naruto-universe (he's SL's equivalent of Teuchi, I'm presuming?).
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*Shrugs* No idea.
Anyway, you can't really make another 'Inn' and like everything in it is built into the core.
You could then make a new shop, a restaurant like you suggested, but wait! Isn't there one already in Oto? Saucey's Kitchen or whatever?
Could potentially move that to Konoha in the shuffle and change the text, but then what would the Inn become? It has to be there.
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Just change the name (& description{s}) of the inn, as well as throw in a commentary area of the to-be-modified Saucy's Kitchen?
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Too what? I personally think it's easier to keep the same.
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I almost forgot Ichiraku doesn't exist in the naruto realm... it would appear nothing requires changing on that end!
But at the very least, move Saucy's Kitchen to Konohagakure?
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Why? Konoha probably has the most shops, whereas Suna has none...
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Give Sunagakure Kitty's Sympathy Shop, Sichae's Apple Shop and Exodus Specialty. There, problem solved.
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Meh maybe.
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By the way, when the poll's closed on the 15th with the majority wanting the implementation of the other villages as well as the relocation of existing utilities, how long will it take for those new features to be fully coded? A couple of months, possibly more?
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Who knows... I just found I only have like one week off over summer...
And I'm tired, should go to bed, cause I'm currently making two cleverbots talk to each other...
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To the land of dreams!
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So about two days to go, and 100% of the 30 votes so far agree... I'm waiting for the late surge of votes...
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Yes. I'm certain a surge of votes from the many forum-users will come at the last hour. :P
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I feel kind of bad... maybe I should change my vote to other one. >_>
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Theres no need for that, its a really close race, Ice.
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So... the dude on SL hasn't posted it here like I said he should...
Well he said maybe we could have village specific masters. Thoughts? Ideas for who?
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I'd imagine the current clan 'kages' for the village, such as Zenaku for Kumogakure, Kayenta for Sunagakure, etc.
That's if you mean game masters for the villages.
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I wouldn't mind being a gamemaster for Kumo. I also approve of all the changes suggested :D
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i like village wars. :twisted:
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Sorry, I obviously wasn't clear enough...
I was referring to the masters at the Academy... you know that ones you fight to level up.
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Too much to read in time I don't have. Simply put, the Missing Ninja race holds my interest in the matter. Everything else I'm sure will be pleasing, if not to me, to others.
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i like village wars. :twisted:
I don't. <,<
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In that case, Ice...
Thats just maddening. How in the world can you name fifteen nins for Iwagakure to be academy masters when it was so hard to name Events.
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In that case, Ice...
Thats just maddening. How in the world can you name fifteen nins for Iwagakure to be academy masters when it was so hard to name Events.
Good Point, I can only name 5
Akatsuchi
Ittan
Kitsuchi
Kurotsuchi
Ōnoki
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Yep, that's what I was thinking, same with Kumo, not sure if you could get a few 15 either.
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Hey, you were right Ice! A surge of votes did come at the last few moments!
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I'm not sure about that either. Even incorporating Anime/manga characters.
Yep, that's what I was thinking, same with Kumo, not sure if you could get a few 15 either.
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Well, it is quite clear which side is going to "win"... Although I just hope it's enough votes to satisfy Neji to approve the work for these changes.
Also, as a side note, as long as we're adding births, maybe we can squeeze in the missing ninja birth.
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Like it's been said before, I see too many issues trying to implement a missing nin race.
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Going back, I think the village Kages being GM sounds like a great idea, such as Kay being one for the Chuunin Exams, why not just keep that for each village? There must be some kind of module to make it so they only have that GM power in their respective villages.
I know this sounds like a jump while taking steps, but it could promote the RP side of SL and make the idea of it more welcome, returning people who used to RP to a more accessible, organized place and encouraging new RPers with a friendly, simple-minded experience (Har har har yes that's what she said har har har very funny). Besides, we could use these as tests to see if it works out, and it can be revoked if used improperly or inappropriately. More specifics can be shared with if interested. :D
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Being asked thousand times.
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1001 actually, if you include this.
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That's why I said being, as it is still being asked. ^^
Anyway, Game Masters is an okay idea, but I wouldn't say, current just get to be them, they should apply like any other staff position. There was some talk of it happening a while ago, but nothing happened.
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For the record, I am the Nidaime Kazekage.
Raijin is the Yondaime and current in charge Kaze of Suna.
And here are some of the Kumogakure names I was able to dig up.
Ginkaku
Kinkaku
Yugito
Darui...jounin level nin
Mabui..kunoichi 4th Raikage's assistant
Dodai
Killer B
Head Ninja
Kumogakure Spectators= Bald headed nin
Brown haired nin
Third Raikage
Fourth Raikage
Motoi
I suppose you could add the bijuu to that list, but I Think that it would be silly to have one for a master >.<
Well and They just had the terribly boring habit of naming people by the alphabet. A,B,C...
There is Motoi's father [listed on wiki with photo], and Killer B's cousin[listed on the wiki with a photo] who tried to host the bijuu and failed...that you could just make up names for.
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You couldn't use all of them as masters, bad guys aren't Academy teachers...
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Unless you mind control them! XD
But a few other Kumo nin would be:
Tenga (assigned to intelligence division during the Shinobi War)
Sabu (he's not necessarily a Kumo nin, but he would help Killer B in training his "music" so if he would help him, I'd assume he would help teach too, but he'd be a minor minor person)
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I'm fine with just using the same old masters... >.>
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I'm fine with just using the same old masters... >.>
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Once I get some time after Tuesday, I will do some stuff on the test server.
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I love you Neji. <3
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I love you Neji. <3 (In a non-sexual manner)
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Does anyone love me?
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I moderately respect and enjoy your existence Ice.
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So glad I'm leaving Thursday.
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So glad you're leaving Thursday. Not.
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I always appreciate declarations of love, but mostly from cute young girls, I admit.
Though yours are also appreciated and taken ;)
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I always appreciate declarations of love, but mostly from cute young girls, I admit.
We've already interpreted this many times beforehand, Neji-kins. I, along with a few other veterans, are already working on finding some harem to send your way.
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With a harem, I would have no time to work on SL anymore :) I have 2 private tutoring pupils, sport activies 4 times a week, my day job and a third pen+paper roleplaying group to manage.
I am thinking about the shops suggested, but doing them costs time - and I see what "off the shelve"-mods I might use and rewrite partially. Though creating them anew would be ok too.
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I believe in you, Neji. I. Believe. In. You.
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Thanks for your support :twisted: