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Game Development => Discussions => Topic started by: Jinsei on August 17, 2010, 03:53:53 AM
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WARNING: THIS TOPIC IS BASED UPON ACTIVITY WITHIN SL | NO OFFENSE IS MEANT TO BE TAKEN
CAUTION: OP SUBJECT TO BE APPENDED
First, I do not mean to offend anybody in this topic. If you take offense, then I apologize. It is no secret that activity on ShinobiLegends.com has plummeted and has yet to cease. While I accept this (as do many others), I do not believe it is right for Moderators, or Staff Members, in any game to be as inactive as many are currently. Yes, I acknowledge that everybody has a life outside of the virtual world, but it is a person's responsibility to be continuously active if they are given the title of a Staff Member. Granted, not all of the current SL Staff are inactive, there are a select few, that are still considered active.
I would like to see something done about this, since this is such a touchy topic, I will not purpose any ideas because if Neji thinks it's a good idea, I'm sure he will have something already set out for his Staff Members. After all, he is the one employing them.
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You're right. There's only about two staff members who are even remotely active on SL, and one or two on the SL forum.
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I have to admit, since I have been back I think I have only see a Mod on once, maybe twice...
Also heard that Avatar vaildations are taking up to a week.
But what can you do? You can't make them get on all the time, though that is part of their job, they could tell Neji if they're no able to be on all the time...
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Unfortunately, there isn't anything I, or anybody else, can do about it.
All we can do is bring light to the subject and hope Neji does something.
"VIVA LA REVOLUCION!"
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Well the only things he can do is:
-Leave it the way it is.
-Yell at all the mods and try and get them to do their jobs.
-Or just replace them.
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Well the only things he can do is:
-Leave it the way it is.
-Yell at all the mods and try and get them to do their jobs.
-Or just replace them.
Well, just expanding on that recommendation.
Perhaps Neji should create another p.o.i on the MoTD, enquiring for the more "competent" players to apply for positions, should they be considerably active, and are absolutely sure they know the purpose of their role(s).
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Neji has he's own system of seeking new Moderators, he has those wishing to apply fill out a form, then send it to him and the other Mods when he is looking, this is usually notified through the MotD when he is looking.
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Neji has he's own system of seeking new Moderators, he has those wishing to apply fill out a form, then send it to him and the other Mods when he is looking, this is usually notified through the MotD when he is looking.
Unfortunately. . . with games like this where the demographic isn't extremely wide, the people will eventually grow out of it.
As such, it only makes sense to switch out the moderators continuously, say every three-four years.*
Unless of course, they are active, which was touched upon in the OP.
I am not to sure why Neji hasn't done any switches with the mods, just kept on adding them on.
*Most of the players on SL, Staff included, that was involved at least three years ago are no longer active. Claimed as "Retired" or have completely deleted their chars. Of course, this also has exceptions, Myself for example. (Even though I left a few times)
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Yeah Jinsei, what you said is true, but what seems to happen is the Mods just, disappear, don't say they're leaving etc, or just fade out.
I think if they're going to do that, they should say and resign as a Moderator.
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Yeah Jinsei, what you said is true, but what seems to happen is the Mods just, disappear, don't say they're leaving etc, or just fade out.
I think if they're going to do that, they should say and resign as a Moderator.
Good point. Neji should make that a requirement.
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Perhaps one day, he'll implement a system where Moderators would have to PM him if they need to leave momentarily for some odd reason so he may update the MoTD. Should they be inactive without leaving him with such evidence leading to their misadventure for a considerable amount of time (the point where chars are deleted due to inactivity).
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Perhaps a system like that is already in place. While I agree that there are a ridiculous amount of moderators that are inactive, there IS a system and Neji will work with it as he sees fit. He already switched out Gyu for B-man due to his inactivity.
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But from what I've seen now Gyu is inactive to...
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But from what I've seen now Gyu is inactive to...
She appears to be more active on SL's RP-representatice site, Shinobilegends Society. She logs onto SL, primarily to check up on PM's from those who participate in the Role-Play-based nature of SLS.
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Maybe, but that is a separate entity to SL, if she can't keep up with both, then she should just pick one and stay with it.
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Abby, Xaos, Pri, Ace, and Neji seem to be the 5 moderators that have been active.
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Abby, Xaos, Pri, Ace, and Neji seem to be the 5 moderators that have been active.
First, we need to discuss what qualifies as Active.
Ace, I've seen more than anybody.
Abyss, I agree is active.
Xaos, I've seen him on no more than Once a week. Two times a week at most.
Pri, I haven't seen on since I started back up on playing this game, oh except this one time the first day I came back.
And to be honest, Neji is on more than I can remember. I've already had TWO sightings of him.
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Abby, Xaos, Pri, Ace, and Neji seem to be the 5 moderators that have been active.
First, we need to discuss what qualifies as Active.
Ace, I've seen more than anybody.
Abyss, I agree is active.
Xaos, I've seen him on no more than Once a week. Two times a week at most.
Pri, I haven't seen on since I started back up on playing this game, oh except this one time the first day I came back.
And to be honest, Neji is on more than I can remember. I've already had TWO sightings of him.
I've seen Xaos on much more than once a week. He actually validated my avatar earlier within like 10 minutes. I also have seen Xaos on when I look at the staff on before logging in. You perhaps are not on when the mods come on, that doesn't make it their fault that they're not on when you are.
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If you search them on the warriors list, you can see the time of their last login.
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Abby, Xaos, Pri, Ace, and Neji seem to be the 5 moderators that have been active.
First, we need to discuss what qualifies as Active.
Ace, I've seen more than anybody.
Abyss, I agree is active.
Xaos, I've seen him on no more than Once a week. Two times a week at most.
Pri, I haven't seen on since I started back up on playing this game, oh except this one time the first day I came back.
And to be honest, Neji is on more than I can remember. I've already had TWO sightings of him.
I've seen Xaos on much more than once a week. He actually validated my avatar earlier within like 10 minutes. I also have seen Xaos on when I look at the staff on before logging in. You perhaps are not on when the mods come on, that doesn't make it their fault that they're not on when you are.
On all three of my alts, it has taken longer than a week for their avatars to be validated, all at different moments.
Nevertheless the discussion here isn't about certain mods.
The discussion is that something needs to be done about how inactive they, as a group, are in general.
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Yeah I would have to agree about the activity of staff it seems as though some of the staff needs to be put into the "Inactives" portion of the staff list. As for the need of new moderators I think the few that do log on do a good job... More active mods would nice though.
As for avatar validation only three moderators can help with that aspect of the game. It would be nice to have more of the current staff to have the ability to validate avatars. Sometimes it does take quite a while to get one's avatar validated. :/
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Yeah I would have to agree about the activity of staff it seems as though some of the staff needs to be put into the "Inactives" portion of the staff list. As for the need of new moderators I think the few that do log on do a good job... More active mods would nice though.
That's how I have been trying to phrase it!
THANK YOU HYUU!!
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Yeah so true, I think the Active section should really be about the size of the inactive lol
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It's actually nice to see that this finally has been brought up by others- the forum should be used more to convey similar messages which are there as reminders as well.
I would assume I am an active staff member, but I have already informed the staff of my inactivity.
And so hopefully, depending on if action is finally taken, more staff might be on the way.
I know that the staff members try their best, but at the same time, there are many inactive staff members.
We do have an inactivity staff list which either should be utilized or be removed.
To help this site, game masters are also needed- hopefully no one forgot about that position.
Talks about this do occur in the grotto, but I assume people are a little too busy to make sure it moves forward.
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Good job Ace, now if only all the Mods would do that, but hey, your done a great job, I must say Ace you are one of the only Mods I see on.
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Everything that I wanted to say was pretty much said by the time I saw this post, I agree with most of the suggestions and comments made here.
This post has been approved. -Seal :smt109
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Sadly, I have a feeling that if Neji hasn't done anything about it now, he wont ever.
*LOCKED
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Upon request.
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>_>
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Sadly, I have a feeling that if Neji hasn't done anything about it now, he wont ever.
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Like Hiro said in the other topic, Neji is super busy. He has a life, a job, SL, LoB heaps of stuff.
Plus he can't be everywhere at once. Who knows how often he gets to check the forum, and then he has all these threads to sort through.
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Hush!
I didn't mean since this thread started, I mean in general.
The staff has been inactive for quite a long time.
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*Sighs* It is true. I have a few friends that don't even bother posting on here any more because they doubt Neji will ever answer them...
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But remember, the 'Staff' are really just players to, with normal lives, normal jobs, and studies.
They aren't 'paid' to do this or anything. If we lived in a perfect world there'd always be one on, but unless people are actually fully employed to be on at all times it would never happen.
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But remember, the 'Staff' are really just players to, with normal lives, normal jobs, and studies.
They aren't 'paid' to do this or anything. If we lived in a perfect world there'd always be one on, but unless people are actually fully employed to be on at all times it would never happen.
While, you are right, it doesn't change the fact that they have a responsibility, they signed up for it, voluntarily.
And because of this fact, they are supposed to be active consistently.
I feel that if they aren't, they should be let go.
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All present mods have been active at some point. In other words, all have contributed some precious time to this game in order to help out Oliver.
With that being said, although this topic holds some amusing arguments, the truth is that an inactive member who still holds a staff title is not an issue. Why? Simple. We don't get paid for this. If we did get money for doing this work, then yes, it would obviously be quite unfair indeed. :P
I'm assuming that the main reason that Neji doesn't remove mod powers is because he is grateful for our help and leaves our status as a way of saying thanks. He also probably hopes that they might become active again.
Anyways, SL isn't exactly a democracy, more of a benevolent dictatorship. In the end, Neji has the last word. Either it be demotion or promotion, he has his reasons.
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I think staff should be on everyday cause as a regular shinobi if I need help staff should be there
Seriously... how often do you really need help from Mods.
In all my time playing I think I've called a Mod maybe twice?
Besides getting Avatars Validated and a couple of issues your really don't need them 24/7.
But it would be nice to have them there in case we did.
Seen it before when people go crazy and no Mods on to take care of them.
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With that being said, although this topic holds some amusing arguments, the truth is that an inactive member who still holds a staff title is not an issue. Why? Simple. We don't get paid for this. If we did get money for doing this work, then yes, it would obviously be quite unfair indeed. Tongue
The point is, being a staff member comes with responsibilities.
Part of those responsibilities include, being a Mod(-erator of ShinobiLegends), to be sure that the rules are being followed, among other reasons.
Since I have re-started playing this game, I have found more rules being broken than in the entirety of the time I played before.
Whether you like it or not, being a Staff Member is a job. No you don't get paid for it (Which do not define a job) but you are entitled to enforce certain things and concepts.
If a Staff Member is inactive, they are not doing their job, or fulfilling their duties. Simple enough.
I am not saying "get rid of inactive mods", no. I am saying that something needs to be done so there is more activity among the staff members. Maybe move the inactive ones to the inactive list and get a new, more active set of members.
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I'm assuming that the main reason that Neji doesn't remove mod powers is because he is grateful for our help and leaves our status as a way of saying thanks. He also probably hopes that they might become active again.
Which is why Neji added the Inactive Moderator part on the staff list. Now it should be used.
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I'm assuming that the main reason that Neji doesn't remove mod powers is because he is grateful for our help and leaves our status as a way of saying thanks. He also probably hopes that they might become active again.
Which is why Neji added the Inactive Moderator part on the staff list. Now it should be used.
I agree 100%
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It's a problem, but as I am also not fully here (currently doing stuff on LoB) it is a problem.
Finding good people is also =)
I'd rather have a few not-so-active people on I can trust than more that are not that reliable (personality).
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It's a problem, but as I am also not fully here (currently doing stuff on LoB) it is a problem.
Finding good people is also =)
I'd rather have a few not-so-active people on I can trust than more that are not that reliable (personality).
Told you guys.
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It is true, but Neji, are you spreading yourself to thin?
Also, how do you find good people? You really don't know how someone is until you've tested them, and you really don't get a test of them until they serve in the position.
What about deputy Mods? I know there is a Module for that. You can give a player one area and they have Moderator abilities in that area, and that area only.
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You find good people through your interactions with them. =)
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Baluski, I re-enter my previous attempt at applying for a moderator for I now am above the required rank if it still is Jounin.
My account, Altair, is currently Sannin and is coming up Kage.
(Posting this because he just read the MoTD)
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*Pokes the account*
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:smt009
That's my cue to lock.