Shinobi Legends Forum
Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: Timothy on March 10, 2017, 06:34:09 AM
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I'm a major fan of barrier techniques thus I found it disheartening there was such an easy way to destroy them without seeming any setback regardless of what it was.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Barrier_Shattering_Technique
So I ask the community, should this technique be nerfed, banned? Will I just have to accept the fact the canon has given me quite the unfavorable counter?
Give me your thoughts on the matter, please. Since I'm clearly biased against such a jutsu I am by no means the right individual or group of people to judge such.
Thank you all for your time and energy.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with the technique. :o Sometimes you need it because of all the barriers that people have these days.
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The technique is about 7 years old. In all those years, I haven't seen anything relating to banning it. (And after using the search function, that statement stands)
You, as said, are clearly biased. There's no reason to ban it. Barriers need a counter to them.
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Eh, go figure. Ya win some, ya lose some *shrugs* Appreciate the input.
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If I still give a crap about zoning, I'd be like "anime only lol void".
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If I still give a crap about zoning, I'd be like "anime only lol void".
Well that would mean that 90% of Uzumaki techniques would be voided in the process, lol.
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If I still give a crap about zoning, I'd be like "anime only lol void".
Well that would mean that 90% of Uzumaki techniques would be voided in the process, lol.
I'll have you know all OP Uzumaki techs is based on a single monologue from the Kushina. Don't act like I don't know...I know.
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I always thought the Barrier Shattering Technique needed to hit the perimeter of the barrier to shatter them. So, if a Barrier was huge, it would take a while for the technique to shatter the barrier. Though, I don't remember when the last time was that I looked at the technique.
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It is necessary, especially against ethereal technqiues. However, how does it work in SL? I dont see it used often.
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I don't think I've seen anyone but Bocch use the jutsu correctly and that was like 5 years ago or whenever he attacked Konoha. First of all it's a Cooperation Jutsu that you need multiple people to perform. Second it works by locating the barrier's source and then shattering it. If you watch the episode it's in they do the chakra combination and then, while looking at the barrier, the lead guy sees a little twinkle from inside it, says break, and you see a little totem that was apparently powering the barrier break and the barrier goes down. So it wouldn't work on a barrier that you just make by forming some kata and then raising a barrier, like Uchiha Flame Formation for instance because there is nothing for the jutsu to shatter. It's called Barrier Shatter but it doesn't literally shatter the barrier it shatters whatever is powering it. Obviously you can't just claim to blow someone up by using it.
The second one man usage of it is from the Mitsuki one shot and he just walks up to a barrier wall and touches it which dissolves a sizable hole in it. I don't remember if it breaks the whole thing or not. I don't know why they decided that was the same jutsu or if that decision was correct, there is no talk on the jutsu page so I couldn't tell you what the logic was.
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I don't think I've seen anyone but Bocch use the jutsu correctly and that was like 5 years ago or whenever he attacked Konoha. First of all it's a Cooperation Jutsu that you need multiple people to perform. Second it works by locating the barrier's source and then shattering it. If you watch the episode it's in they do the chakra combination and then, while looking at the barrier, the lead guy sees a little twinkle from inside it, says break, and you see a little totem that was apparently powering the barrier break and the barrier goes down. So it wouldn't work on a barrier that you just make by forming some kata and then raising a barrier, like Uchiha Flame Formation for instance because there is nothing for the jutsu to shatter. It's called Barrier Shatter but it doesn't literally shatter the barrier it shatters whatever is powering it. Obviously you can't just claim to blow someone up by using it.
The second one man usage of it is from the Mitsuki one shot and he just walks up to a barrier wall and touches it which dissolves a sizable hole in it. I don't remember if it breaks the whole thing or not. I don't know why they decided that was the same jutsu or if that decision was correct, there is no talk on the jutsu page so I couldn't tell you what the logic was.
By that logic it would disrupt the chakra flow of the source, similar to casting a long range genjutsu on someone. For a barrier maintained by a scroll, disrupting the chakra flow would cause the technique to break while for a person it would disrupt the chakra or something to that extent.
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I don't think I've seen anyone but Bocch use the jutsu correctly and that was like 5 years ago or whenever he attacked Konoha. First of all it's a Cooperation Jutsu that you need multiple people to perform. Second it works by locating the barrier's source and then shattering it. If you watch the episode it's in they do the chakra combination and then, while looking at the barrier, the lead guy sees a little twinkle from inside it, says break, and you see a little totem that was apparently powering the barrier break and the barrier goes down. So it wouldn't work on a barrier that you just make by forming some kata and then raising a barrier, like Uchiha Flame Formation for instance because there is nothing for the jutsu to shatter. It's called Barrier Shatter but it doesn't literally shatter the barrier it shatters whatever is powering it. Obviously you can't just claim to blow someone up by using it.
The second one man usage of it is from the Mitsuki one shot and he just walks up to a barrier wall and touches it which dissolves a sizable hole in it. I don't remember if it breaks the whole thing or not. I don't know why they decided that was the same jutsu or if that decision was correct, there is no talk on the jutsu page so I couldn't tell you what the logic was.
By that logic it would disrupt the chakra flow of the source, similar to casting a long range genjutsu on someone. For a barrier maintained by a scroll, disrupting the chakra flow would cause the technique to break while for a person it would disrupt the chakra or something to that extent.
Except even that is basically an auto-hit. Can I resist it, how do you disrupt my chakra just by looking at me enough to drop my barrier?
The technique is never actually used in a fight and it should stay that way.
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Except even that is basically an auto-hit. Can I resist it, how do you disrupt my chakra just by looking at me enough to drop my barrier?
The technique is never actually used in a fight and it should stay that way.
Well, where is the line between autohit and not autohit in that case? A barrier that is erected suddenly that encompasses a wide area and negates certain chakras is less of an autohit than a standard genjutsu? A one hit seal that cannot be resisted is less autohit than a surprise long range kamui center body?
A barrier shatter technique requires a set amount of chakra for a static barrier, so I am of the mind that a person would have to exert chakra to counter it, should they be aware of the shatter attempt.
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Except even that is basically an auto-hit. Can I resist it, how do you disrupt my chakra just by looking at me enough to drop my barrier?
The technique is never actually used in a fight and it should stay that way.
Well, where is the line between autohit and not autohit in that case? A barrier that is erected suddenly that encompasses a wide area and negates certain chakras is less of an autohit than a standard genjutsu? A one hit seal that cannot be resisted is less autohit than a surprise long range kamui center body?
A barrier shatter technique requires a set amount of chakra for a static barrier, so I am of the mind that a person would have to exert chakra to counter it, should they be aware of the shatter attempt.
Or we could just not expand its abilities into things it's never been shown able to do.
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If you're adamant about this technique, then I don't see the point in having barriers. Because if I am not allowed to defend myself against a barrier like Athos's Deadzone Creation then we might as well ban every Fuinjutsu that is anime-only, because it isn't canon; the same applies to custom fuinjutsus.
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Except even that is basically an auto-hit. Can I resist it, how do you disrupt my chakra just by looking at me enough to drop my barrier?
The technique is never actually used in a fight and it should stay that way.
Well, where is the line between autohit and not autohit in that case? A barrier that is erected suddenly that encompasses a wide area and negates certain chakras is less of an autohit than a standard genjutsu? A one hit seal that cannot be resisted is less autohit than a surprise long range kamui center body?
A barrier shatter technique requires a set amount of chakra for a static barrier, so I am of the mind that a person would have to exert chakra to counter it, should they be aware of the shatter attempt.
Or we could just not expand its abilities into things it's never been shown able to do.
Or we could just ban anything that you can neither resist nor dodge upon activation/application. Which would pretty much make SL a very boring place. :-? Or maybe ban anything that is not explicitly shown in the canon.
I am far from the choir on that one, I'm the opposition. xD
To have barriers that can be instantly erected that instantly affect an area of effect with a crippling effect is on the same level as a barrier shattering technique that instantly affects a jutsu that it is designed to break. It is one thing to say that the barrier shattering technique is impractical to use, it is another to outright ban it from practical combat usage. It is never explicitly stated that the barrier must be maintained by a seal or passive technique of some sort in order for the jutsu to work.
I am down with defining when this technique can be used and how, but the barrier shatter technique functionally causes a disruption in chakra that forces the barrier down, similar to how genjutsu disrupts the senses of an affected individual.
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Amusingly enough, Athos and I already discussed it but Tomi had developed a way to deal with such things like Deadzone, having already considered the possibility of its barrier type existing using his own understanding on how chakra disruption seals work. With every technique, there needs to be a way to counter it fairly, one way or another.
Good thing I make sealing techniques not claiming Uzumaki :P
But eh, fun fun.
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Except even that is basically an auto-hit. Can I resist it, how do you disrupt my chakra just by looking at me enough to drop my barrier?
The technique is never actually used in a fight and it should stay that way.
Well, where is the line between autohit and not autohit in that case? A barrier that is erected suddenly that encompasses a wide area and negates certain chakras is less of an autohit than a standard genjutsu? A one hit seal that cannot be resisted is less autohit than a surprise long range kamui center body?
A barrier shatter technique requires a set amount of chakra for a static barrier, so I am of the mind that a person would have to exert chakra to counter it, should they be aware of the shatter attempt.
Or we could just not expand its abilities into things it's never been shown able to do.
Or we could just ban anything that you can neither resist nor dodge upon activation/application. Which would pretty much make SL a very boring place. :-? Or maybe ban anything that is not explicitly shown in the canon.
I am far from the choir on that one, I'm the opposition. xD
To have barriers that can be instantly erected that instantly affect an area of effect with a crippling effect is on the same level as a barrier shattering technique that instantly affects a jutsu that it is designed to break. It is one thing to say that the barrier shattering technique is impractical to use, it is another to outright ban it from practical combat usage. It is never explicitly stated that the barrier must be maintained by a seal or passive technique of some sort in order for the jutsu to work.
I am down with defining when this technique can be used and how, but the barrier shatter technique functionally causes a disruption in chakra that forces the barrier down, similar to how genjutsu disrupts the senses of an affected individual.
+1
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I actually prefer the fanon's explanation as it attempts to provide some logic as to how the technique works.
http://narutofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Barrier_Shatter_Technique
It makes sense and isn't just instantaneous negation of all barriers at any range.
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I actually prefer the fanon's explanation as it attempts to provide some logic as to how the technique works.
http://narutofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Barrier_Shatter_Technique
It makes sense and isn't just instantaneous negation of all barriers at any range.
The description could use some grammar fixes and some slight tweaking, but I actually like the explanation of fanon version of the technique.
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I actually prefer the fanon's explanation as it attempts to provide some logic as to how the technique works.
http://narutofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Barrier_Shatter_Technique
It makes sense and isn't just instantaneous negation of all barriers at any range.
The description could use some grammar fixes and some slight tweaking, but I actually like the explanation of fanon version of the technique.
+1
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With the clarificaiton that if the barrier requires more chakra to maintain than the user has chakra (at that point in time) then the technique won't work or more combined chakras (for collab barriers) than the attempted breakouter or something to that sort, not necessarily that a single user cannot at all break certain high level barriers. Because then we'll get people creating barriers that fit that category of the violet flames and such just so that it won't be breakable with said technique.
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It is very situational. But I mean, I'm the type to falcon punch each individual thats orchestrating the violet flames or red yang formation to cripple the barrier. Given each 'point' is a source of its own, making the barrier what it is. But as mentioned, most 'village-scale' barrier could be solo'ed by someone hoosting all the bijuu or something of similar nature. Which would be impossible. Unless you're Lil B.
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(http://img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/49/3368/20.png)
Mitsuki, a Genin, using Barrier Shatter by just touching its wall.
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(http://img.mangastream.com/cdn/manga/49/3368/20.png)
Mitsuki, a Genin, using Barrier Shatter by just touching its wall.
The image isn't loading for me but I know which you mean. I am still questioning how it was decided that is what he is using since what he does isn't named it looks and behaves completely differently from the other time it was used. Is there a data book for Mitsuki Gaiden or something?