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Bijuu Arena / Re: Jay v Rusaku (discussion)
« on: July 22, 2017, 08:04:47 PM »
Rusaku forwarded basically everything to you anyway, so I didn't see a need for confusing 3 way PM talks, but sure fine lets all rant on forum then.
Just because nobody ever complained about something you did before doesn't mean they didn't have a problem with it. Unless something important was in line, its far more common they will just stay quiet and try roll with it because they'd rather not get into an argument. I see this happen all the time, I've even had it happen to myself both ways too.
With that said, the 'sage seal' or whatever its proper name is. Quoting you, its a nature energy reserve, not a senjutsu reserve, so no matter how many of those things you released you would still have to mix it with your normal chakra to make senjutsu chakra out of it. It doesn't really matter how good/fast at the mixing you claim to be, you would still have to purposedly do it, much like how you released the seal on purpose, not some automated reaction. Senninka doesn't help you in this either, it only passively draws nature energy in, it doesn't turn it into senjutsu automatically.
Unfortunately chakra is not Ki from dragonball so it has to be purposedly made/utilized, so in short that's 2 actions. If not, then by that same logic one could easily quintuple their actions if not more, by just claiming they release a seal or something that has specifically been designed to do all those things on its own automatically, with the seal counting as 'just 1 action' for you.
Moving on.
Where does it say your arm regenerated? Right here;
"He needn’t worry about it, as his healing factor would have it returned by the time he reached the ground."
Correct, it doesn't explicitly state "his arm finished growing back". It does however basically loophole the action count by saying it'd be done by the start of your next post, because since Jay would be falling during Rusaku's next post the arm would be growing back too =\ I'm not gonna question whether you have the techniques for full regeneration like that, cause frankly I don't know half of your list, but I am going to say that unless you spend Rusaku's entire next post without that arm and it starts growing back only at the start of your next one, that is another 1 action.
Moving on to clones.
There is no such thing as continuing an action from a previous post like that. If Rusakus puppets had stood still it'd be another story, but they didn't, so your clones would have to adjust their path to chase after and try cut them off, to try seal them again. That's another 1 action. Even if you argue no sealing attempt took place thus it would not take an action due to being just movement, you did also have them deliberately stop and deep-throat branches. Sooo that's 1 action regardless of which it is.
Last up, the ludicrous speed all of this was accomplished in.
While sure, your clones if they had all those buffs could probably keep up with the puppets, and real Jay himself might even make it up high enough to clash with the Kirin (even if not 300 meters could that much in a split second is just no), that doesn't excuse you from essentially auto-dodging the jukai koutan.
For one I feel you may be underestimating the speed mokuton can move at a bit, referring to instances such zetsu-clad Obito massacring the kiri ninja, or 10 tails bombarding the shinobi alliance. While sure, you could claim that you can outspeed the mokuton, what you basically did was just try to shut any and all attempts down by saying "they were all so fast that they didn't need to even try to dodge". That doesn't fly, cause where are you gonna go if wood is closing in from EVERY direction? To top it off you even claim the jutsu is so slow that it'd take ages for it to even react the second you came anywhere near, which is basically character control. Rusaku's in control of the jutsu, not you.
So to summarize, you went over the action limit, and committed an auto-dodge. If you don't want to repost, then Rusaku can basically counter the auto-dodge with matching force, and ignore everything after your 3rd action which in this case would be entering sage mode (1 clone deep-throat/seal attempt, 2 seal release, 3 sage mode).
Just because nobody ever complained about something you did before doesn't mean they didn't have a problem with it. Unless something important was in line, its far more common they will just stay quiet and try roll with it because they'd rather not get into an argument. I see this happen all the time, I've even had it happen to myself both ways too.
With that said, the 'sage seal' or whatever its proper name is. Quoting you, its a nature energy reserve, not a senjutsu reserve, so no matter how many of those things you released you would still have to mix it with your normal chakra to make senjutsu chakra out of it. It doesn't really matter how good/fast at the mixing you claim to be, you would still have to purposedly do it, much like how you released the seal on purpose, not some automated reaction. Senninka doesn't help you in this either, it only passively draws nature energy in, it doesn't turn it into senjutsu automatically.
Unfortunately chakra is not Ki from dragonball so it has to be purposedly made/utilized, so in short that's 2 actions. If not, then by that same logic one could easily quintuple their actions if not more, by just claiming they release a seal or something that has specifically been designed to do all those things on its own automatically, with the seal counting as 'just 1 action' for you.
Moving on.
Where does it say your arm regenerated? Right here;
"He needn’t worry about it, as his healing factor would have it returned by the time he reached the ground."
Correct, it doesn't explicitly state "his arm finished growing back". It does however basically loophole the action count by saying it'd be done by the start of your next post, because since Jay would be falling during Rusaku's next post the arm would be growing back too =\ I'm not gonna question whether you have the techniques for full regeneration like that, cause frankly I don't know half of your list, but I am going to say that unless you spend Rusaku's entire next post without that arm and it starts growing back only at the start of your next one, that is another 1 action.
Moving on to clones.
There is no such thing as continuing an action from a previous post like that. If Rusakus puppets had stood still it'd be another story, but they didn't, so your clones would have to adjust their path to chase after and try cut them off, to try seal them again. That's another 1 action. Even if you argue no sealing attempt took place thus it would not take an action due to being just movement, you did also have them deliberately stop and deep-throat branches. Sooo that's 1 action regardless of which it is.
Last up, the ludicrous speed all of this was accomplished in.
While sure, your clones if they had all those buffs could probably keep up with the puppets, and real Jay himself might even make it up high enough to clash with the Kirin (even if not 300 meters could that much in a split second is just no), that doesn't excuse you from essentially auto-dodging the jukai koutan.
For one I feel you may be underestimating the speed mokuton can move at a bit, referring to instances such zetsu-clad Obito massacring the kiri ninja, or 10 tails bombarding the shinobi alliance. While sure, you could claim that you can outspeed the mokuton, what you basically did was just try to shut any and all attempts down by saying "they were all so fast that they didn't need to even try to dodge". That doesn't fly, cause where are you gonna go if wood is closing in from EVERY direction? To top it off you even claim the jutsu is so slow that it'd take ages for it to even react the second you came anywhere near, which is basically character control. Rusaku's in control of the jutsu, not you.
So to summarize, you went over the action limit, and committed an auto-dodge. If you don't want to repost, then Rusaku can basically counter the auto-dodge with matching force, and ignore everything after your 3rd action which in this case would be entering sage mode (1 clone deep-throat/seal attempt, 2 seal release, 3 sage mode).