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Roleplay => All That Is Bijuu => Bijuu Arena => Topic started by: Hitler-Chan on July 01, 2015, 05:10:06 PM
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http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=jkevbr&s=8#.VZQAEPlViko
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,7984.0.html
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8342.msg219203/topicseen.html#msg219203
Dozens of people have commented on this reoccurring issue, and something needs to be done. There are pages of evidence stacking against him, many a time has he been warned, and educated to any rules he was 'ignorant' to, but never reprimanded.
This issue is being brought to life mostly in part to the above, but, being as I have sent him a challenge, after contacting Batou, the only person named on his challenge listed, to which he said:
---Original Message from Miyamoto Batou(2015-06-25 14:42:26)---
I do not recall having schdueled a fight with Isaribi for the three tails. if i did it was months ago, besides that we haven't been in contact for a while too. (think)
---Original Message from Seiryōku, Yoshiro(2015-06-25 14:41:06)---
Yeah. For the Bijuu. He has you down as being in a fight with him for the 3 tails.
---Original Message from Miyamoto Batou(2015-06-25 14:39:39)---
like a zone fight?
---Original Message from Seiryōku, Yoshiro(2015-06-25 14:20:16)---
I hate to be so blunt, but are you actually in a fight with Isaribi?
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To: Isaribi
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Sent: 2015-06-25 17:28:24
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I am going to ask as kindly as possible. What is the current status of the Sanbi, in relation to it's challenger list and activity of that list. If nobody is currently awaiting battle, or in battle, I would like to challenge you, Mr. Isaribi to a battle for it. OOC 1v1 as stated on your challenge list. If you wish to know how I know of your status as a Jinck, I would simply offer that I am a sage mode user with the Minds eye of kagura, which would span 30 kilometers, which is about 19 miles or so.
(My message to him, obviously)
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But some of his advocates or even he will say something along the lines of being in an RP, locked away somewhere secret where we can't see it, but it's happening.
So let's consider he is currently in an RP somewhere in a dwelling, but hasn't been on in over week.
Cause..."Jinchūriki have an obligation to be active, and are stripped of their bijū if they cannot get online and do their round (1 post every week), regardless of the reason. The leader of their clan/organization will inherit the bijū; if the jinchūriki wasn't in a clan/organization, then a tournament/event can be arranged to determine a suitable host." For any reason. If he hasn't even been online to check if the RP is moving along, then he is obviously not within his rights any way you slice it.
Now, back when Rusaku tried to nab the four tails from Ichirou, it went down pretty shady like because the rules currently state that if a Jinck is stripped, the leader of village gets it. It seems pretty good on paper, but has been exploited to no degree. Sorta like the Second amendment to the United States Constitution, when a rule seems good on paper, but in practice it really ain't.
This Is from Rusaku directly.
"Also, seeing as it would go straight to Xia upon being stripped I don't see why you are even trying.
I went through the same bullshit with the 4 tails. Ichi went inactive and I was literally setting up the ic rp for us to fight. He knew it, and I knew it. I had the messages to prove it.
But no, he got stripped and the biju got sent to Ame. Kage then proceeded to sit on it until ichirou came back and then it was re sealed in him."
Even if we managed to strip Isa, I have a huge feeling that this is going to happen, over and over, allowing them to do what they do best and stall inside of their village.
So not only am I calling for a strip of Isa, I am calling for an amendment to that clause, pertaining to how the Bijuu is dealt with if a Jinck is stripped, especially when that Jinck has challenges.
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What amendment are you proposing? On one hand, there could instead just be a punishment for the villages involved (not requiring an amendment to my knowledge) or outright change the process altogether on how this inactivity issue is dealt with. We might could ask Ice to GM a stripped tailed beast, or put it up for a tourney (which we still have procrastinated on setting up the format for). Other than that though, I don't see what amendment can be made in this area.
However, it is likely to be more appropriate to first discuss the main topic (stripping Isarabi) and have a separate thread for discussing any amendments. I myself have had Batou on my challenge list before, and I presume he forgot about the challenge; I didn't actively go seeking the fight either, so up until another challenger popped onto my list, I was not complaining about him not getting things on a roll, since an empty challenge list for me is like an invitation of sorts all its own (except for that time period I took off RPing with Kokuo, got some real courtesy points there)..
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Yes we should do so. Do you mind writing it? :D You seem to have a knack for that kind of stuff.
I only brought up Batou to bring the attention that either Isa is not actively updating his challenger list, or simply doesn't have any other person taking precedence on that list.
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I may be able to find the messages but i dont have them off hand as im at work posting this -ill post the messages later if need be- but i contacted him with Renji yamanaka to schedule rp for a biju fight for the three tails and he began discussing with me how we could set it up to get started and never followed through with it. He just stopped replying
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I already said that I don't accept the 1 week of activity thing. It's too short of a time limit, but hey, I don't even remember that being changed so what do I know?
As for Isaribi...regardless of my thoughts on current rules he has been inactive before and will continue to do so. I have no doubt it will happen again, however until the two weeks mark is passed on his activity I will be on the fence. Once it gets to 14 days I'll fully support it.
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As for the whole village leader and jink thing. This happened with Kage/Ichi as stated and until I went and hunted Ichirou down I was avid on stopping their 'loophole' game of making sure no one else got it.
I wanted to do something along the lines of the previous host CANNOT be given back the bijuu until after a 3 month period is over. This is the time limit for re-challenges and this also assures that the bijuu isn't getting passed back and forth like an overused party cup.
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Look, how long does it really take of your life to sit down and post? Nobody is saying you have to write stories like Eric does (No offense, more compliment based than anything), just a simple RP showing that you are active. I'd say the rules are quite fair as is, and he simply fails to follow them.
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I'm not saying that it doesn't take long. Shit I can knock out a lengthy one in 30 mins or less and a mediocre one in even less time.
Also I'm against him having a bijuu cause his activity track record is so bad. Thing is I can't go against my belief that for normal players who aren't like Isa (Eric is always active) and decide they want to take a longer time to post or something comes up that they should be allowed 2 weeks, not 1.
Like I said other than the two weeks thing. I'm 100% with you.
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Really? I'm done. No originality regarding the title, just a blatant slap in the face for Shadow who took the time to think up the original.
(http://i.imgur.com/uYvuK.gif)
"Stripping fish guy of the turtle" would have been better.
I'm disappointed Riku, there are no excuses for plagiarism and being unoriginal.
Are you satisfied? Misleading people to believe this was the same topic from before. What about the people with bad eyesight? Or ADD? How are we supposed to live?!!
Anyways I think that I agree with you guys. Except the part about posting, an action where one sacrifices the majority of his life in order to fulfil the requests of others, so that they may be granted happiness at the cost of ones own. lol
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I already said that I don't accept the 1 week of activity thing. It's too short of a time limit, but hey, I don't even remember that being changed so what do I know?
As for Isaribi...regardless of my thoughts on current rules he has been inactive before and will continue to do so. I have no doubt it will happen again, however until the two weeks mark is passed on his activity I will be on the fence. Once it gets to 14 days I'll fully support it.
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As for the whole village leader and jink thing. This happened with Kage/Ichi as stated and until I went and hunted Ichirou down I was avid on stopping their 'loophole' game of making sure no one else got it.
I wanted to do something along the lines of the previous host CANNOT be given back the bijuu until after a 3 month period is over. This is the time limit for re-challenges and this also assures that the bijuu isn't getting passed back and forth like an overused party cup.
I support both of these statements. I'll also shoot a message (out of game) to Isa to let him know. Right now, he is off doing an archaeological dig and has limited internet. However, that isn't a viable excuse and I told him that when he left. I'll be sure to stress the importance of this matter.
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Right....back on topic. Where are people on stripping him?
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Right....back on topic. Where are people on stripping him?
I would please ask to give him time to explain himself and answer his challenges, messages, and finish his RP lock before initiating this strip.
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Right....back on topic. Where are people on stripping him?
I would please ask to give him time to explain himself and answer his challenges, messages, and finish his RP lock before initiating this strip.
I don't really know why it matters if he explains himself, even you said he wasn't within his rights, and his excuse wasn't viable, what more is there to talk about?
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Right....back on topic. Where are people on stripping him?
I would please ask to give him time to explain himself and answer his challenges, messages, and finish his RP lock before initiating this strip.
I don't really know why it matters if he explains himself, even you said he wasn't within his rights, and his excuse wasn't viable, what more is there to talk about?
Explain where he is at with challenges, to give him time to answer his challenges, and to set up anything that is to arise from one being issued. Those are viable items needed explained.
Besides, your time stamp even shows you only asked 5 days ago. You haven't even waited a week for an answer. Instead, like you've done previously against him in previous topics since you lost the Sanbi the first time, is attempt to strip him without even fighting him again.
This sounds more like a cheap way of getting an item than actually working for it.
At least in Shadow's topic, he didn't have a desire for the beast. He had a desire for conformity and fairness. Yours is just an impatient attack on his person.
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Right....back on topic. Where are people on stripping him?
I would please ask to give him time to explain himself and answer his challenges, messages, and finish his RP lock before initiating this strip.
I don't really know why it matters if he explains himself, even you said he wasn't within his rights, and his excuse wasn't viable, what more is there to talk about?
Explain where he is at with challenges, to give him time to answer his challenges, and to set up anything that is to arise from one being issued. Those are viable items needed explained.
Besides, your time stamp even shows you only asked 5 days ago. You haven't even waited a week for an answer. Instead, like you've done previously against him in previous topics since you lost the Sanbi the first time, is attempt to strip him without even fighting him again.
This sounds more like a cheap way of getting an item than actually working for it.
At least in Shadow's topic, he didn't have a desire for the beast. He had a desire for conformity and fairness. Yours is just an impatient attack on his person.
I've never once said that I want the beast to come without a fight, why else would I have sent a challenge?
But this really isn't even about me, so I'm just gonna turn the other cheek and point everyone to the wall of fact above.
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Right....back on topic. Where are people on stripping him?
If he's to be stripped, then let's put it up for tourney instead of rewarding it to any of the challengers specifically. If there is more than one challenger on his list, then the challengers can duke it out. Otherwise, first tailed beast tourney, initiate!
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Right....back on topic. Where are people on stripping him?
If he's to be stripped, then let's put it up for tourney instead of rewarding it to any of the challengers specifically. If there is more than one challenger on his list, then the challengers can duke it out. Otherwise, first tailed beast tourney, initiate!
Tournaments don't work.
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Posted this in the wrong place somehow earlier. Anyway...
I know I don't have the PMs now so I probably should not say shit but....Isaribi accepted my challenge with Machina a while back, then took me off the list because I switched to Masane and simply refused to let me challenge him with no reason given as to why. Just thought I'd add this because it's obvious what I think needs to be done.
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Right....back on topic. Where are people on stripping him?
If he's to be stripped, then let's put it up for tourney instead of rewarding it to any of the challengers specifically. If there is more than one challenger on his list, then the challengers can duke it out. Otherwise, first tailed beast tourney, initiate!
Tournaments don't work.
He's right folks. They don't. We're all posting on how to make things go faster and you still insist on an event that will take WEEKS to finish let alone if it finishes at all? No thanks.
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Posted this in the wrong place somehow earlier. Anyway...
I know I don't have the PMs now so I probably should not say shit but....Isaribi accepted my challenge with Machina a while back, then took me off the list because I switched to Masane and simply refused to let me challenge him with no reason given as to why. Just thought I'd add this because it's obvious what I think needs to be done.
I think you already know that now it doesn't matter. If something like this did happen it was up to you to challenge him 2 more times and then take it to the forums if he declined those other two times.
You're for stripping him nonetheless.
Like Dart I would like to wait for Isaribi's reply. In my previous topics I allowed a few days to pass. One reason is because you have to. You need other people's thoughts on the matter and to see how things pass. Another reason is because the inactive person usually does respond and will try to explain the situation.
I don't like that it was changed from 2 weeks to 1 week to post. (Librarian Eric please link me) Where was this discussed at? I would like to review that topic.
Right now all that needs to be done is people to sit back and gather their thoughts if they've already posted, let others post and see where it leads. These things usually take about 3-5 days to flesh out fully. :P
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Right....back on topic. Where are people on stripping him?
If he's to be stripped, then let's put it up for tourney instead of rewarding it to any of the challengers specifically. If there is more than one challenger on his list, then the challengers can duke it out. Otherwise, first tailed beast tourney, initiate!
Tournaments don't work.
He's right folks. They don't. We're all posting on how to make things go faster and you still insist on an event that will take WEEKS to finish let alone if it finishes at all? No thanks.
Oh, I must have been misinformed, I thought we were looking for a solution not to make things go faster, but to solve the problem of biju joint-styled passing. The fastest solution is to ban the tailed beasts. :-x
Let me be clear, I don't want things taking weeks either, but to keep dancing around creating tournaments for something, to actually make it work so that we can bring RPers together for a common purpose, is, in my opinion, stupid. What else are these tailed beasts for? They don't generate a substantial amount of RP on compared to the amount of trouble it has been working them in a way that deals with inactives, abuse, and real life.
Let's say we strip the beast, then pass it on to someone else in Kiri. Then strip it from them because of reasons. Then a decision is made that it goes somewhere else, and it may need to be stripped again. I keep calling for a tournament because it solves the issue of challengers getting skipped and where the beast goes in one fell swoop. Everybody gets their fight for the beast, inactives are tossed out of the running, and you practically achieve the same objective without having to pick who gets what by what by-law.
If folks are not capable of finishing a tournament in a timely fashion, then said folks are not worthy of being hosts. Period.
I'm not looking for the fastest solution, I am trying to look for the best solution that makes the most sense, at least to me. And to me, finally making a tournament work is the best solution I have yet to come across on the matter.
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Posted this in the wrong place somehow earlier. Anyway...
I know I don't have the PMs now so I probably should not say shit but....Isaribi accepted my challenge with Machina a while back, then took me off the list because I switched to Masane and simply refused to let me challenge him with no reason given as to why. Just thought I'd add this because it's obvious what I think needs to be done.
I think you already know that now it doesn't matter. If something like this did happen it was up to you to challenge him 2 more times and then take it to the forums if he declined those other two times.
You're for stripping him nonetheless.
Like Dart I would like to wait for Isaribi's reply. In my previous topics I allowed a few days to pass. One reason is because you have to. You need other people's thoughts on the matter and to see how things pass. Another reason is because the inactive person usually does respond and will try to explain the situation.
I don't like that it was changed from 2 weeks to 1 week to post. (Librarian Eric please link me) Where was this discussed at? I would like to review that topic.
Right now all that needs to be done is people to sit back and gather their thoughts if they've already posted, let others post and see where it leads. These things usually take about 3-5 days to flesh out fully. :P
He flat out refused to put me on the list and then stopped responding to me. What do I do to that? I just left it alone because I don't need him reporting me over something silly.
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If you can grab the messages proving these claims, great, otherwise I don't think that the defense will hear your testimony and then acknowledge it.
But I do believe you, he has been quite liberal with his refusals sometimes.
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He flat out refused to put me on the list and then stopped responding to me. What do I do to that? I just left it alone because I don't need him reporting me over something silly.
You challenge him three times. He reports you for what? There's no way in hell any sensible mod on here will uphold a report that's claiming harassment by asking for a bijuu match let alone having done it only three times so long as it's not you being 'bitch gimmie a match *insert more derogatory remarks*'.
Three attempts to challenge him and IF you're reported you take it to the forums, but he wouldn't report you. That wouldn't make sense.
Now we can't gauge (or I can't) if you actually were afraid of him reporting you or if you just decided to stick your tail between your legs. Either way you did the latter option. You have an issue with something or someone broke the rules? Take. It. To. The. Forums. By not doing anything you accepted whatever it is he did/is being accused of doing.
Though in previous posts you've always seemed to be more outspoken even if your remarks weren't popular. Suddenly now you're afraid of the shark and didn't speak of it? You know the rules and so does he. I just question your thought process.
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Oh, I must have been misinformed, I thought we were looking for a solution not to make things go faster, but to solve the problem of biju joint-styled passing. The fastest solution is to ban the tailed beasts. :-x
I'm not looking for the fastest solution, I am trying to look for the best solution that makes the most sense, at least to me. And to me, finally making a tournament work is the best solution I have yet to come across on the matter.
It would be a good idea if the right....setup was acquired. Say you do have a tourny and there's 6 people in it. What are the rules that go along with it?
3 days to post. - void certain things - add more here - and here - and....here -
^ Sure lets go with that. Keep in mind though. This is for a bijuu and there will be arguing. How do you keep that from happening (lolz) or how do you deal with it?
The only way a tourney would take place is if the bijuu had no one else to go to.
Why propose a tourny if he's stripped? You're making the first challenger wait even longer.
Isa gets stripped -> Xia gets it/ unless he's inactive -> Dart gets it. He's not inactive.
With rules I added in the other topic about the hierarchy of who deals with the bijuu Dart would have a 1 week period to seal the beast/find a champion. If neither is done in that week then the 1st challenger gets it.
Dart seems to be in support of the no passing the bijuu back idea so it's safe to say it'd have a new host/champion.
My thoughts are messy...to me a tourney is useless since you'd only do that if it had no village/leader and due to the fact there is currently no system to set up one that would work. In my opinion.
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Oh, I must have been misinformed, I thought we were looking for a solution not to make things go faster, but to solve the problem of biju joint-styled passing. The fastest solution is to ban the tailed beasts. :-x
I'm not looking for the fastest solution, I am trying to look for the best solution that makes the most sense, at least to me. And to me, finally making a tournament work is the best solution I have yet to come across on the matter.
It would be a good idea if the right....setup was acquired. Say you do have a tourny and there's 6 people in it. What are the rules that go along with it?
3 days to post. - void certain things - add more here - and here - and....here -
^ Sure lets go with that. Keep in mind though. This is for a bijuu and there will be arguing. How do you keep that from happening (lolz) or how do you deal with it?
The only way a tourney would take place is if the bijuu had no one else to go to.
Why propose a tourny if he's stripped? You're making the first challenger wait even longer.
Isa gets stripped -> Xia gets it/ unless he's inactive -> Dart gets it. He's not inactive.
With rules I added in the other topic about the hierarchy of who deals with the bijuu Dart would have a 1 week period to seal the beast/find a champion. If neither is done in that week then the 1st challenger gets it.
Dart seems to be in support of the no passing the bijuu back idea so it's safe to say it'd have a new host/champion.
My thoughts are messy...to me a tourney is useless since you'd only do that if it had no village/leader and due to the fact there is currently no system to set up one that would work. In my opinion.
Make the rules the same as the beast's last host's rules, with one of the preferred judges (if available) being first option for judging. If the challenger(s) is(are) kept waiting some more for the sake of balance, then more power to Time Wizard.
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Think it's about time we move forward with the stripping.
He's been informed of the strip, messaged me four days ago, asking if I would hold off on the stripping, and after then hasn't been on since.
He was informed of the strip, has awknowledged it, has been given ample time to give his defense but went inactive again. Pretty simple equation.
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So, I presume the beast would go to Kirigakure, who then would select a new person to host it and commit to the upcoming challenger(s). If Kirigakure can't do that (for a lack of suitable candidates) then what is proposed at this point?
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So, I presume the beast would go to Kirigakure, who then would select a new person to host it and commit to the upcoming challenger(s). If Kirigakure can't do that (for a lack of suitable candidates) then what is proposed at this point?
So, I presume the beast would go to Kirigakure, who then would select a new person to host it and commit to the upcoming challenger(s). If Kirigakure can't do that (for a lack of suitable candidates) then what is proposed at this point?
Yeah, it would go to Xia (Their leader), if he opts out, then whoever is next in line on the chain of command. Regardless of such, they have a week to find a new host/champion to defend it, if they opt out of that, or neglect that responsibility, it would go to the next challenger I believe.
"Kage/leader has to make sure the bijuu gets a new host or they find a champion to defend the beast. They HAVE ONE (1) WEEK.
Example: Mizukage gets the 19 tails, he now has 1 week to find a host AND FINISH THE SEALING PROCESS. Meaning the kage cannot take a week to decide and then another 3 months to do the rp. No. It doesn't take that long to seal a bijuu. You want to do some long drawn out rp? Do it in staggered rp. That way the previous challengers don't have to sit there while you take your sweet ass time.
However if the Kage/leader is also inactive it goes onto previous kage or council members. They follow the same rules as above. 1 week.
If both kage, previous kage, and council members are inactive then the first challenger gets the beast."
^This is an excerpt from a post shadow made a few days ago.
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8467.0.html
Being as we are in the midst of amending the rules of how these things are dealt with, I suggest everyone following this development, or simply cares about how these matters are dealt with, go and give their two cents on the revision Shadow has so graciously laid out, in the Topic linked above.
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So, I presume the beast would go to Kirigakure, who then would select a new person to host it and commit to the upcoming challenger(s). If Kirigakure can't do that (for a lack of suitable candidates) then what is proposed at this point?
So, I presume the beast would go to Kirigakure, who then would select a new person to host it and commit to the upcoming challenger(s). If Kirigakure can't do that (for a lack of suitable candidates) then what is proposed at this point?
Yeah, it would go to Xia (Their leader), if he opts out, then whoever is next in line on the chain of command. Regardless of such, they have a week to find a new host/champion to defend it, if they opt out of that, or neglect that responsibility, it would go to the next challenger I believe.
"Kage/leader has to make sure the bijuu gets a new host or they find a champion to defend the beast. They HAVE ONE (1) WEEK.
Example: Mizukage gets the 19 tails, he now has 1 week to find a host AND FINISH THE SEALING PROCESS. Meaning the kage cannot take a week to decide and then another 3 months to do the rp. No. It doesn't take that long to seal a bijuu. You want to do some long drawn out rp? Do it in staggered rp. That way the previous challengers don't have to sit there while you take your sweet ass time.
However if the Kage/leader is also inactive it goes onto previous kage or council members. They follow the same rules as above. 1 week.
If both kage, previous kage, and council members are inactive then the first challenger gets the beast."
^This is an excerpt from a post shadow made a few days ago.
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8467.0.html
Being as we are in the midst of amending the rules of how these things are dealt with, I suggest everyone following this development, or simply cares about how these matters are dealt with, go and give their two cents on the revision Shadow has so graciously laid out, in the Topic linked above.
The revision would not be applicable in this situation, since it arose prior to even the conception/presentation of the revision.
*By it I mean this latest stripping ordeal*
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So, I presume the beast would go to Kirigakure, who then would select a new person to host it and commit to the upcoming challenger(s). If Kirigakure can't do that (for a lack of suitable candidates) then what is proposed at this point?
So, I presume the beast would go to Kirigakure, who then would select a new person to host it and commit to the upcoming challenger(s). If Kirigakure can't do that (for a lack of suitable candidates) then what is proposed at this point?
Yeah, it would go to Xia (Their leader), if he opts out, then whoever is next in line on the chain of command. Regardless of such, they have a week to find a new host/champion to defend it, if they opt out of that, or neglect that responsibility, it would go to the next challenger I believe.
"Kage/leader has to make sure the bijuu gets a new host or they find a champion to defend the beast. They HAVE ONE (1) WEEK.
Example: Mizukage gets the 19 tails, he now has 1 week to find a host AND FINISH THE SEALING PROCESS. Meaning the kage cannot take a week to decide and then another 3 months to do the rp. No. It doesn't take that long to seal a bijuu. You want to do some long drawn out rp? Do it in staggered rp. That way the previous challengers don't have to sit there while you take your sweet ass time.
However if the Kage/leader is also inactive it goes onto previous kage or council members. They follow the same rules as above. 1 week.
If both kage, previous kage, and council members are inactive then the first challenger gets the beast."
^This is an excerpt from a post shadow made a few days ago.
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8467.0.html
Being as we are in the midst of amending the rules of how these things are dealt with, I suggest everyone following this development, or simply cares about how these matters are dealt with, go and give their two cents on the revision Shadow has so graciously laid out, in the Topic linked above.
The revision would not be applicable in this situation, since it arose prior to even the conception/presentation of the revision.
*By it I mean this latest stripping ordeal*
But the issue precedes both of these "ordeals" this one in particular should not be exempt.
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You can't apply newly invented rules to an issue that arose prior to the introduction of the rules (not to mention that 1 week thing isn't officially a rule amendment). Separately it can be suggested that that be criteria for making sure Kiri doesn't put-put but it's not a rule as of this point in time.
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He flat out refused to put me on the list and then stopped responding to me. What do I do to that? I just left it alone because I don't need him reporting me over something silly.
You challenge him three times. He reports you for what? There's no way in hell any sensible mod on here will uphold a report that's claiming harassment by asking for a bijuu match let alone having done it only three times so long as it's not you being 'bitch gimmie a match *insert more derogatory remarks*'.
Three attempts to challenge him and IF you're reported you take it to the forums, but he wouldn't report you. That wouldn't make sense.
Now we can't gauge (or I can't) if you actually were afraid of him reporting you or if you just decided to stick your tail between your legs. Either way you did the latter option. You have an issue with something or someone broke the rules? Take. It. To. The. Forums. By not doing anything you accepted whatever it is he did/is being accused of doing.
Though in previous posts you've always seemed to be more outspoken even if your remarks weren't popular. Suddenly now you're afraid of the shark and didn't speak of it? You know the rules and so does he. I just question your thought process.
Just don't feel like dealing with anymore crap. Point blank. I think he may have even ignored me, I'm about to check. And taking it to the forums ..Don't. Do. Jack. I did that when Dart blocked me on both sites for asking to fight him for the 8. Did that solve anything...? No. He too denied me for stupid reason but that is a different topic. Point is he should be stripped for not doing what he is supposed to do. I challenged him after he took me off and he failed on several accounts to reply to me. Trying to talk to him now seems pointless seeing as the logical thing here is to give the beast to Kiri's leader. Even without my account of this BS, I have read more than enough supporting the motion of stripping him.
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Also, taking it here only gets my past tossed up like the shit matters now. Just forget I even posted man. Don't know why I even bother with this mess.
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I don't know why either. *pity party* Pardon my sarcasm.
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Pity party? Whatever you say big man.
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It's been two weeks now. He was online, yes. Did he rp though? Not that I know of. A simple one liner would have held me contempt for a few more days at the most.
According to Dart he's doing a dig. Which to me sounds fun and could find something cool. :P
That doesn't make him immune to the rules though. He has a life which is great. All that was asked for was 5 mins of that life to make a post or be like 'hey I'm here still and here's and ETA' but all we got was 'give me more time' how much more time did he want?
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Well then, it's pretty clear that he is supposed to be stripped at this point. Should that not occur within a few days (let's say 4) then the beast is stripped from Kirigakure, and we go from there. This topic ready to be locked?
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I managed to talk to Isa. He posted in his timeframe and he said he responded to Yujo's challenge. Unfortunately, he didn't have enough time to reply here as well.
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Well, he posted in Kirigakure today, not too long ago. So, I don't know what that means, but I guess it makes this convo pointless?
Also, I believe he last posted before roughly on 6/23, but does it have to be a public post somewhere or something? I haven't read the bijuu rules, since I really have no need to. >.>;
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Well, he posted in Kirigakure today, not too long ago. So, I don't know what that means, but I guess it makes this convo pointless?
Also, I believe he last posted before roughly on 6/23, but does it have to be a public post somewhere or something? I haven't read the bijuu rules, since I really have no need to. >.>;
It doesn't make it pointless. :P
It HAS to be a public post. Just cause I post in my dwelling where one other person has a key doesn't mean I followed the rules.
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Well, he posted in Kirigakure today, not too long ago. So, I don't know what that means, but I guess it makes this convo pointless?
Also, I believe he last posted before roughly on 6/23, but does it have to be a public post somewhere or something? I haven't read the bijuu rules, since I really have no need to. >.>;
I imagine you kind of do need to read the biju rules, especially if Kiri runs out of candidates for Jinchs at some point down the road. :P
Whether he posts or not, if he doesn't have time to fight challenges at all (which going through an archeological dig would probably cause) then he might as well still be stripped.
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I feel like this situation keeps coming up over and over again, and it never really ends.
Perhaps a 'special case' scenario could be applied here? This is what, the second or third time things have been brought up against Isaribi for inactivity to be stripped? I was stripped faster than a bullet, yet he continues to ride it out.
Either way, Maybe instead of IC hunt, Isaribi could begin conducting an actual challenge list, and fighting his challengers instead of doing IC hunt, and if the inactivity proceeds still, then we can strip him through and through.
Of course if we're just going to strip him now i'm fine with that too, but I figured i'd propose something more 'middle-man-like' in nature. I don't have anything against Isaribi or anything, But I feel like when it comes to being a Jinchuriki we all know we have a certain set of rules to follow and if we can't match up to those rules then we don't need to keep trying to be Jinchuriki's
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I feel like this situation keeps coming up over and over again, and it never really ends.
Perhaps a 'special case' scenario could be applied here? This is what, the second or third time things have been brought up against Isaribi for inactivity to be stripped? I was stripped faster than a bullet, yet he continues to ride it out.
Either way, Maybe instead of IC hunt, Isaribi could begin conducting an actual challenge list, and fighting his challengers instead of doing IC hunt, and if the inactivity proceeds still, then we can strip him through and through.
Of course if we're just going to strip him now i'm fine with that too, but I figured i'd propose something more 'middle-man-like' in nature. I don't have anything against Isaribi or anything, But I feel like when it comes to being a Jinchuriki we all know we have a certain set of rules to follow and if we can't match up to those rules then we don't need to keep trying to be Jinchuriki's
I forgot about this. (-_-)
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Well, he posted in Kirigakure today, not too long ago. So, I don't know what that means, but I guess it makes this convo pointless?
Also, I believe he last posted before roughly on 6/23, but does it have to be a public post somewhere or something? I haven't read the bijuu rules, since I really have no need to. >.>;
I imagine you kind of do need to read the biju rules, especially if Kiri runs out of candidates for Jinchs at some point down the road. :P
Whether he posts or not, if he doesn't have time to fight challenges at all (which going through an archeological dig would probably cause) then he might as well still be stripped.
I doubt I'll ever be a host, so this is possible! I'll read it, eventually...
Well, I guess we'll see if he takes action against the challengers.
But, secretly, this keeps happening because of a continuous genjutsu, and you're all being tortured within it. Mwuahahaha.
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Well, he posted in Kirigakure today, not too long ago. So, I don't know what that means, but I guess it makes this convo pointless?
Also, I believe he last posted before roughly on 6/23, but does it have to be a public post somewhere or something? I haven't read the bijuu rules, since I really have no need to. >.>;
I imagine you kind of do need to read the biju rules, especially if Kiri runs out of candidates for Jinchs at some point down the road. :P
Whether he posts or not, if he doesn't have time to fight challenges at all (which going through an archeological dig would probably cause) then he might as well still be stripped.
I doubt I'll ever be a host, so this is possible! I'll read it, eventually...
Well, I guess we'll see if he takes action against the challengers.
But, secretly, this keeps happening because of a continuous genjutsu, and you're all being tortured within it. Mwuahahaha.
Dangit, Court. You just ruined our ultimate plan! ._.
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Well, he posted in Kirigakure today, not too long ago. So, I don't know what that means, but I guess it makes this convo pointless?
Also, I believe he last posted before roughly on 6/23, but does it have to be a public post somewhere or something? I haven't read the bijuu rules, since I really have no need to. >.>;
I imagine you kind of do need to read the biju rules, especially if Kiri runs out of candidates for Jinchs at some point down the road. :P
Whether he posts or not, if he doesn't have time to fight challenges at all (which going through an archeological dig would probably cause) then he might as well still be stripped.
I doubt I'll ever be a host, so this is possible! I'll read it, eventually...
Well, I guess we'll see if he takes action against the challengers.
But, secretly, this keeps happening because of a continuous genjutsu, and you're all being tortured within it. Mwuahahaha.
Izanami was supposed to show everyone that keeping the tailed beasts in the game is pointless.
It hasn't succeeded yet, despite all the pain.
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Well, he posted in Kirigakure today, not too long ago. So, I don't know what that means, but I guess it makes this convo pointless?
Also, I believe he last posted before roughly on 6/23, but does it have to be a public post somewhere or something? I haven't read the bijuu rules, since I really have no need to. >.>;
I imagine you kind of do need to read the biju rules, especially if Kiri runs out of candidates for Jinchs at some point down the road. :P
Whether he posts or not, if he doesn't have time to fight challenges at all (which going through an archeological dig would probably cause) then he might as well still be stripped.
I doubt I'll ever be a host, so this is possible! I'll read it, eventually...
Well, I guess we'll see if he takes action against the challengers.
But, secretly, this keeps happening because of a continuous genjutsu, and you're all being tortured within it. Mwuahahaha.
Izanami was supposed to show everyone that keeping the tailed beasts in the game is pointless.
It hasn't succeeded yet, despite all the pain.
I really wish we could just agree to get rid of them..
Make them immortals that no one can host but can interact with still to gain knowledge. I dunno. Make a few moderators that are permanently assigned to the job of being a free-roaming bijū or something.
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I think it'd be cute to have them as companions and in their baby forms -- digimon/pokemon, go!
Stuck in that state forever. Forever.
Or we could get rid of them. That works, too.
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I think it'd be cute to have them as companions and in their baby forms -- digimon/pokemon, go!
Stuck in that state forever. Forever.
Or we could get rid of them. That works, too.
#Megaform
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Or, now hear me out...
Give me any abilities and possessions all currently have required. ;)
Then, start all over again. :P
I always have a solution to a problem, just have to listen to it. :)
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Or, now hear me out...
Give me any abilities and possessions all currently have required. ;)
Then, start all over again. :P
I always have a solution to a problem, just have to listen to it. :)
Wut?
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Perhaps returning to topic, has Isaribi been stripped of the Sanbi at this point? A yes or no is what I"m going for in response, since this topic will no doubt be put to rest if the answer is "yes".
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I honestly think he should be, for the simple fact that in three weeks this topic will be made yet again, and of course he will log on and all of a sudden get off the hook because of a post he will make in some dwelling that no one else can look in.
The fact we have gotten to the point of putting (Again) at the end of every topic regarding Isa should be enough of a que for people to understand this will happen again, and again.
It's become horrendously clear he cannot maintain an active status because of RL events; his dig or whatever. Maybe when that ends he can challenge whoever has the beast and win it back, but until then the beast should be given to someone who will maintain an actually active status and put the beast to use. As of right now its lost in the void.
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I gotta agree with Rusaku on this one, i feel like its time he was actually stripped, especially give his busy schedule with this dig
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I honestly think he should be, for the simple fact that in three weeks this topic will be made yet again, and of course he will log on and all of a sudden get off the hook because of a post he will make in some dwelling that no one else can look in.
The fact we have gotten to the point of putting (Again) at the end of every topic regarding Isa should be enough of a que for people to understand this will happen again, and again.
It's become horrendously clear he cannot maintain an active status because of RL events; his dig or whatever. Maybe when that ends he can challenge whoever has the beast and win it back, but until then the beast should be given to someone who will maintain an actually active status and put the beast to use. As of right now its lost in the void.
Except, ya know, he made a public post on the Kirigakure board soooo... :p
Nah, he is good. He keeps the beastie.
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I know I'm posting every where today, but I'm feeling vocal.
Dart >> Isa does this every time. Every time he is about to get stripped after being inactive, he always suckers his challenger or whoever made the topic into 'giving him some time to defend himself on the forum' but instead turns around and posts in Kiri. Every. Time. I watched it happen each time >>;
And he hasn't even posted here yet, has he? Just third parties defending him? >>;
Kinda sketchy... :p
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I know I'm posting every where today, but I'm feeling vocal.
Dart >> Isa does this every time. Every time he is about to get stripped after being inactive, he always suckers his challenger or whoever made the topic into 'giving him some time to defend himself on the forum' but instead turns around and posts in Kiri. Every. Time. I watched it happen each time >>;
And he hasn't even posted here yet, has he? Just third parties defending him? >>;
Kinda sketchy... :p
Gotta agree. Is he really about to keep this beast after violating the rules? Where were all these chances when Ichi got stripped? If this were me this topic would be closed already with me being stripped. Dude needs to be stripped point blank.
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How am I possibly supposed to believe that he can maintain an active status when he cannot even defend himself? (Thank you Athos for pointing this out)
The only ones who came to defend him were the most biased members possible. I am not bashing either, it's a simple fact that Every. Single. Time. that this comes to light the only ones to come to his aid are from Kiri, the ones who want to sit on the beast.
As it stands, most of the other beast holders (Who are participating in this discussion) are pushing for a strip, or at least some kind of repercussion.
If nothing else, he needs to get on and convince us why he should keep it. How is it fair that he gets to keep the beast after so many topics have been made against him when Ichirou was stripped instantly after only one?
He at least gave an actual notice, on the forum itself, that he would be absent for a certain amount of time until he could get a computer (Or something, my memory is hazy) Isa on the other hand, gave no such notice.
As of right now, no, he should not be able to keep the beast. Please enlighten me on why he should.
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How am I possibly supposed to believe that he can maintain an active status when he cannot even defend himself? (Thank you Athos for pointing this out)
The only ones who came to defend him were the most biased members possible. I am not bashing either, it's a simple fact that Every. Single. Time. that this comes to light the only ones to come to his aid are from Kiri, the ones who want to sit on the beast.
As it stands, most of the other beast holders (Who are participating in this discussion) are pushing for a strip, or at least some kind of repercussion.
If nothing else, he needs to get on and convince us why he should keep it. How is it fair that he gets to keep the beast after so many topics have been made against him when Ichirou was stripped instantly after only one?
He at least gave an actual notice, on the forum itself, that he would be absent for a certain amount of time until he could get a computer (Or something, my memory is hazy) Isa on the other hand, gave no such notice.
As of right now, no, he should not be able to keep the beast. Please enlighten me on why he should.
^^^Nuff Said.
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Hm...I still can't fully support the strip based on the one week thingy. No matter how I look at it. It was never intended to be one week to post. No one has shown a link (yet) to where that was amended from 2 weeks to 1 week. It'll always be two weeks to me no matter what. One week is too short in my opinion.
That being said I do support it on the terms that he's inactive and has done this before. As stated by others.
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It is but okay. Refusal 1!
---Original Message from Isaribi(2015-07-07 19:48:08)---
Being a Sage Mode User with Mind's Eye of Kagura isn't an adequate excuse to learn of my status as a jinchūriki.
According to the databooks, both of their sensory doesn't guarantee you can pinpoint the Sanbi within me. Plus, you will have to know my chakra signature to begin with in order to accurately lock and hone in on them. We have no recent RP history, especially with you consistently going inactive after losing your bijū challenges.
If you want to pursue this path, then you need to obtain and engage in actual IC hunt where I am allowed access to the RP to ensure that you obtain the information legitimately and ICCly.
Not only is he inactive, he is actively refusing challenges. I've been nothing but pleasant with him, as to give him no reason to refuse, and now he refuses based off his own ignorance to how things work. Mind you, he sent that to me a week ago, and has not even read my reply to that, for the most simple reason, in that he has been offline for another fuggin week. (Go check the warrior list)
Guys, he has, will, and is inactive, and refuses challenges as he pleases, as seen with me, Ichi, Masane, and I am sure others that he simply doesn't like.
This needs to end with this post.
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I'm with him here unless convinced otherwise. Mind you I still say strip him. Just this particular matter.
Mind's Eye extends to 10 kilometers or about 6-7 miles. The wikia states it can extend further so let's say it doubles. 14 miles, debatable, but hey why not?
Right. So Riku who has Eye's Mind/sage mode and Isaribi who has a bijuu.
Riku CAN sense Isaribi's bijuu chakra. Their chakra isn't like normal chakra. Especially since he has been/is a host he can by all means differentiate the two. (Correct me if I'm wrong. :P)
But...I'm interested in how Riku IC does know where to look for Isa let alone that Isa has a bijuu. Are you in Kiri? These are countries not tiny cities that span a few miles. Kiri is in the middle of water. Miles out. Far more than The Mind's Eye can sense.
If it were me I'm sure he'd accept. We had a throw down when Bocc's AKA was up and so I know his location and his signature. He might not 100% like me, but for me he couldn't deny me challenging him no matter what.
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Scouting mission while I was a member of Konoha, Nathan was Hokage, and would vouch for it. If anyone remembers I specifically had a title that went along the lines of, "Bijuu hunter" or something.
It was months ago so the RP was lost, but it's not that hard for someone to Kamui onto the Island that Kiri is on, walk a few miles, Triple the Effectiveness of Minds's eye with Sage mode, giving a 30 kilometer sensing radius, which to my belief equals to about 20 miles of sensing.
Fact of the matter is, he hasn't even looked online to check if I sent a message explaining the RP that went on, or even if I had the RP saved, he just refused, gave me the middle finger and threw them deuces as he's done to others before me.
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Hm...I still can't fully support the strip based on the one week thingy. No matter how I look at it. It was never intended to be one week to post. No one has shown a link (yet) to where that was amended from 2 weeks to 1 week. It'll always be two weeks to me no matter what. One week is too short in my opinion.
That being said I do support it on the terms that he's inactive and has done this before. As stated by others.
I think given this situation, even if the rule is supposed to be 2 weeks he still needs to get stripped. Just for the simple fact that this continuously happens over and over again.
I actually like the three tails, and I would like to have an actual opportunity to make moves for it, and with Isaribi having it that doesn't really seem that possible. Nothing against the guy, he's just busy. I understand that, but with the way the site works he doesn't need possession of that beast anymore, it's long over due in my opinion for him to lose it.
My sister and I were discussing this and she brought up a valid point to me, I haven't seen Isaribi fight for the Sanbi since he fought Ichirou originally, which was back when we first got onto this sight with the Rinnegan and all, So that was kind of a while back. I haven't seen him fight a single challenger since then (Not saying that it hasn't happened, I just haven't personally seen it.)
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It is but okay. Refusal 1!
---Original Message from Isaribi(2015-07-07 19:48:08)---
Being a Sage Mode User with Mind's Eye of Kagura isn't an adequate excuse to learn of my status as a jinchūriki.
According to the databooks, both of their sensory doesn't guarantee you can pinpoint the Sanbi within me. Plus, you will have to know my chakra signature to begin with in order to accurately lock and hone in on them. We have no recent RP history, especially with you consistently going inactive after losing your bijū challenges.
If you want to pursue this path, then you need to obtain and engage in actual IC hunt where I am allowed access to the RP to ensure that you obtain the information legitimately and ICCly.
I'm with him here unless convinced otherwise. Mind you I still say strip him. Just this particular matter.
Mind's Eye extends to 10 kilometers or about 6-7 miles. The wikia states it can extend further so let's say it doubles. 14 miles, debatable, but hey why not?
Right. So Riku who has Eye's Mind/sage mode and Isaribi who has a bijuu.
Riku CAN sense Isaribi's bijuu chakra. Their chakra isn't like normal chakra. Especially since he has been/is a host he can by all means differentiate the two. (Correct me if I'm wrong. :P)
But...I'm interested in how Riku IC does know where to look for Isa let alone that Isa has a bijuu. Are you in Kiri? These are countries not tiny cities that span a few miles. Kiri is in the middle of water. Miles out. Far more than The Mind's Eye can sense.
If it were me I'm sure he'd accept. We had a throw down when Bocc's AKA was up and so I know his location and his signature. He might not 100% like me, but for me he couldn't deny me challenging him no matter what.
Not really taking sides, although there's a lot of evidence here that points to stripping Isaribi.
Anyways, the problem isn't about the range of your sensing. It's rather or not you can actually sense the bijuu within Isaribi.
Sasuke had to use Sharingan: Genjutsu to find out where Killer B is. Karin is present and even told Suigetsu to back off to let Sasuke do his thing.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/408/4
Killer Bee in what appears to be morphing back from bijuu mode.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/408/16
Sasuke asking if Killer B is the 8-tail jinchuriki.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/409/17
Karin is now able to sense Killer B's chakra.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/410/5
Karin sensing Killer B's chakra level in bijuu mode
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/414
Based on those pieces of evidence, Karin cannot sense Killer B as a jinchuriki.
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It is but okay. Refusal 1!
---Original Message from Isaribi(2015-07-07 19:48:08)---
Being a Sage Mode User with Mind's Eye of Kagura isn't an adequate excuse to learn of my status as a jinchūriki.
According to the databooks, both of their sensory doesn't guarantee you can pinpoint the Sanbi within me. Plus, you will have to know my chakra signature to begin with in order to accurately lock and hone in on them. We have no recent RP history, especially with you consistently going inactive after losing your bijū challenges.
If you want to pursue this path, then you need to obtain and engage in actual IC hunt where I am allowed access to the RP to ensure that you obtain the information legitimately and ICCly.
I'm with him here unless convinced otherwise. Mind you I still say strip him. Just this particular matter.
Mind's Eye extends to 10 kilometers or about 6-7 miles. The wikia states it can extend further so let's say it doubles. 14 miles, debatable, but hey why not?
Right. So Riku who has Eye's Mind/sage mode and Isaribi who has a bijuu.
Riku CAN sense Isaribi's bijuu chakra. Their chakra isn't like normal chakra. Especially since he has been/is a host he can by all means differentiate the two. (Correct me if I'm wrong. :P)
But...I'm interested in how Riku IC does know where to look for Isa let alone that Isa has a bijuu. Are you in Kiri? These are countries not tiny cities that span a few miles. Kiri is in the middle of water. Miles out. Far more than The Mind's Eye can sense.
If it were me I'm sure he'd accept. We had a throw down when Bocc's AKA was up and so I know his location and his signature. He might not 100% like me, but for me he couldn't deny me challenging him no matter what.
Not really taking sides, although there's a lot of evidence here that points to stripping Isaribi.
Anyways, the problem isn't about the range of your sensing. It's rather or not you can actually sense the bijuu within Isaribi.
Sasuke had to use Sharingan: Genjutsu to find out where Killer B is. Karin is present and even told Suigetsu to back off to let Sasuke do his thing.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/408/4
Killer Bee in what appears to be morphing back from bijuu mode.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/408/16
Sasuke asking if Killer B is the 8-tail jinchuriki.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/409/17
Karin is now able to sense Killer B's chakra.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/410/5
Karin sensing Killer B's chakra level in bijuu mode
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/414
Based on those pieces of evidence, Karin cannot sense Killer B as a jinchuriki.
See my theory is, she didn't know what to look for, and where. They weren't even near him, as he was all the way up in them mountains, and something tells me it's further away than she can sense, also, she didn't know what the Bijuu chakra looked like. If in fact it isn't the range that is an issue, then there should be no issue, being as IC I do know what the bijuu chakra looks like.
I could be wrong, but it seems awfully likely that they just weren't in range, and she didn't know what to look for.
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See my theory is, she didn't know what to look for, and where. They weren't even near him, as he was all the way up in them mountains, and something tells me it's further away than she can sense, also, she didn't know what the Bijuu chakra looked like. If in fact it isn't the range that is an issue, then there should be no issue, being as IC I do know what the bijuu chakra looks like.
I could be wrong, but it seems awfully likely that they just weren't in range, and she didn't know what to look for.
Your theory has no proof to back it up.
"....she didn't know what to look for, and where."
Karin knows that Killer Bee is in Kumogakure and yet still can't sense him. >.>
Correct me if I'm wrong but you are in Kirigakure and are claiming to sense him right away?
And this is based on knowing what bijuu chakra looks like? So...what does bijuu chakra look like inside a body when it's not in use? In the Naruto vs Neji fight, Neji used his byakugan on Naruto and we did not see any bijuu chakra in his Chakra Pathway System until Naruto actually used the Nine-Tail's chakra. >.>
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Like I'd really like to argue this with you, but this Topic really needs to stay on track. D;
Is it time to take a community vote? We have all talked about, everyone who has interest in these types of things at least, and only two people have defended Isa, and only one of them has posted on this topic in over 3 weeks (Dart), what more is there to talk about?
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I'm down for a vote, though I don't think it's necessary, I think a strip is in order
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I'm down for a vote, though I don't think it's necessary, I think a strip is in order
I honestly don't think so either, as there has been basically no opposition from the defendant, or his enablers.
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I don't think there's much of a defense to be had, post or no post it's about his general activity as a Jinchuriki. Isaribi is the only Jinchuriki i've seen to work around the strip rules like this, I think it's about time it stopped.
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......sides with Mei. :D :cool:
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It's border line retarded to say that a Sage using the mind's eye could not detect Biju chakra.
But I'm just Masane so I don't know what I'm talking about. >.>
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It's border line retarded to say that a Sage using the mind's eye could not detect Biju chakra.
But I'm just Masane so I don't know what I'm talking about. >.>
When it comes to canon things, it seems to be black and white here. No room for greys. Because Mind's Eye is a canon technique and hasn't been stated that it could detect biju chakra, then I guess people here would say it can't detect biju chakra (unless it's being used).
If you're using an original technique/jutsu, then they allow leeway...But then some people won't even play with you because you're not 'canon'.
Personally, I think it's all silly, but whatever lol
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Pretty much comes down to this
If you think Minds Eyes is enough to find Isa and he denied Riku then the solution is strip or force him to accept the fight.
Inactivity. This host as been inactive many times, and is known to get on and post when he is near being stripped. In fact he's already been gone for another 8 days. If you believe past transgressions are enough, strip him
If you don't think the inactivity has been to big/ don't think people have found a legit way to find out he is a host to challenge him, no strip.
My opinion: Isa has gotten to many breaks with his inactivity. Strip him, give it to Xia or Dart to give away (or keep). They get one week to seal it in someone (ONE WEEK, not what you guys with the Nibi that took months). Then people may pursue the new host as they seek. Also Isa too may choose to attempt to regain the beast from the new host just like everyone else. Should he win it back, perhaps he'll be a bit more active after having been stripped once.
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I'll jump on the strip train.
Also would like to include my amendment about how the bijuu is handled when the village chooses a new host. Seems like Trev already added it in. 1 week to find a host and rp. No more than that.
It's been 14 days total for this topic. No one has opposed to stripping him so much as giving thoughts on the topic. With no one opposing and only those voting for stripping I'd assume it's safe to lock this topic and notify Dart, Xia, and Isaribi.
Previous hosts have input and current ones have.
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I'll jump on the strip train.
Also would like to include my amendment about how the bijuu is handled when the village chooses a new host. Seems like Trev already added it in. 1 week to find a host and rp. No more than that.
It's been 14 days total for this topic. No one has opposed to stripping him so much as giving thoughts on the topic. With no one opposing and only those voting for stripping I'd assume it's safe to lock this topic and notify Dart, Xia, and Isaribi.
Previous hosts have input and current ones have.
Suppose that's it then. Gonna keep it open for maybe another hour, so that anyone can get their last words in if necessary. Are we adding the in clause that forces the new host to fight the current challengers when of course a bijuu is stripped.
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I move for Strip as well.
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I'm surprised people put their 2 cents with regards to the "Can Mind's Eye of Kagura can sense someone without meeting/seeing the person firsthand?"
The answer is, it cannot. I went through the manga where Sasuke was pursuing Itachi and Danzo. In both cases, Karin was not able to locate either of them.
Here's the proof. Zetsu had to show Sasuke's group who Danzo was. That means that Karin cannot blindly track a specific person without meeting/seeing the person first.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/457/3
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/457/16
Good day everyone.
EDIT:
I forgot to mention that Riku assumed that a chakra sensor can detect a bijuu chakra inside a person.
When Neji used Byakugan to look at Naruto's Chakra Network, there was no sign of "bijuu chakra".
However, it wasn't until Naruto used the Nine-Tail's chakra that Neji was able to see the "bijuu chakra".
It's the same with Karin (look at my previous post to see examples).
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/100/6
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/103/16
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/103/17
So not only the Mind's Eye of Kagura cannot detect a specific person without seeing the person first, it cannot even detect "bijuu chakra" inside the person while it's dormant.
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I'm surprised people put their 2 cents with regards to the "Can Mind's Eye of Kagura can sense someone without meeting/seeing the person firsthand?"
The answer is, it cannot. I went through the manga where Sasuke was pursuing Itachi and Danzo. In both cases, Karin was not able to locate either of them.
Here's the proof. Zetsu had to show Sasuke's group who Danzo was. That means that Karin cannot blindly track a specific person without meeting/seeing the person first.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/457/3
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/457/16
Good day everyone.
I already said it couldn't track someone that good. But we moved past that. Due to inactivity he's being stripped.
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I already said it couldn't track someone that good. But we moved past that. Due to inactivity he's being stripped.
Oh, I must have missed your post. But some people may still think the Mind Eye can, so I wanted to get rid of any notion of that. Well, strip away.
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Didn't Karin sense the nine tails in Naruto after the Danzo fight? She was on Kakashi's back and he sensed the evil energy or whatever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOMsY0o6dDM
What is that supposed to be then?
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I addressed both of these issues.
Yes Mind's Eye CAN sense bijuu chakra. It's debatable if it is just kyuubi's. (Since he's evil) or if all bijuu have negative chakra.
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She picked up something cold and super dark after focusing on Naruto up close for a while. Didn't however go immediately all 'oh its a bijuu up in hur'.
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She picked up something cold and super dark after focusing on Naruto up close for a while. Didn't however go immediately all 'oh its a bijuu up in hur'.
To someone who has no idea what they were looking for to start with, yes Dark and cold wouldn't scream Biju, but to Yujo who had the three tails for a significant amount of time would in fact know what that feeling was.
And she has negative emotion sensing now?
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I feel like you just have to see the chakra difference of a jinchuriki once to be able to sense it, like if you don't know what you're looking for you can't find it, but if you do know then you can.
I feel like Yujo would be able to sense the three tails of all things in Kiri,
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She picked up something cold and super dark after focusing on Naruto up close for a while. Didn't however go immediately all 'oh its a bijuu up in hur'.
To someone who has no idea what they were looking for to start with, yes Dark and cold wouldn't scream Biju, but to Yujo who had the three tails for a significant amount of time would in fact know what that feeling was.
And she has negative emotion sensing now?
I agree with Warren. That doesn't mean she can sense bijuu. Remember that the Nine-Tails is malevolent by nature. I'm sure if she was focusing on Bee, she would not pick up something like that with the Eight-Tails. That happened way before Naruto & Kyuubi got along.
I dont think that's not negative emotion sensing. That's just the nature of Nine-Tails chakra.
Like how she said Naruto's chakra is warm and bright.
I addressed both of these issues.
Yes Mind's Eye CAN sense bijuu chakra. It's debatable if it is just kyuubi's. (Since he's evil) or if all bijuu have negative chakra.
No, it can't. Karin had to FOCUS on Naruto just to sense some malevolent chakra.
Using that logic, then Sasuke must be a jinchuuriki then since his chakra was evil. >.>
Malevolent chakra ≠ bijuu chakra
And even if you want to debate that, it still doesnt change the fact that Karin has to meet/see the person first.
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I addressed both of these issues.
Yes Mind's Eye CAN sense bijuu chakra. It's debatable if it is just kyuubi's. (Since he's evil) or if all bijuu have negative chakra.
No, it can't. Karin had to FOCUS on Naruto just to sense some malevolent chakra.
Malevolent chakra ≠ bijuu chakra
And even if you want to debate that, it still doesnt change the fact that Karin has to meet/see the person first.
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Still can sense bijuu chakra in the sense that it's 'malevolent' regardless of how.
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Just to double check we are stripping Isa right?
Perhaps we need a second thread for the other debate present in this topic
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Yup he's stripped apparently.
As for my amendment perhaps another topic, maybe not.
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Generally, sensory abilities have been permitted to detect tailed beast chakra and determine that a host is in the area; even regular sensors, nevermind the Eye's Mind Technique. That's just been the nature of tailed beast finding for a while now.
Anyways, I am pretty sure another topic was made regarding the amendment, so if this topic is done, it can be closed up.
(Apologies for being so late to return to this topic).
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Yeah I think this is due for a lock
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Locked!