Shinobi Legends Forum
Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: Suishou Koji on May 11, 2015, 07:46:25 PM
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The increase of drug use amongst characters have spiked in SL recently and I see this as a problem among the community. The site is set within the realm of Naruto which has, for all we know, drinking and smoking but no use of other drugs like Marijuana.
Now SL is a place that, yes, contains adults but it also has lots of children and teens who should not be exposed to this type of thing.
*No Hono, I'm not calling you out on this. I've seen other character's who use drugs for fuel their characters power.
What do you guys and gals think? Is it an issue or should we just go with the flow of people making characters like this?
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Well they censor it to something like cannabis or natural herbs and the likes. :P
However you can get drunk in the game and act drunk all you want in rp. Smoking normal tobacco is also seen as mundane and doesn't cause an issue.
Those two things have been around for a long time now which is why people don't see it as such a huge deal. It's normal. We've all tried alcohol and smoking. (At least most of us) even before the legal ages.
What I'm trying to say is you see an issue with it because it's not legal in a lot of states and seen as bad. I'm not arguing against it not being bad/good. However why stop them from using it in game? In 100 years (god forbid this game is still out) and marijuana was legal 75 of those 100 years then it'd be a normal thing. Like smoking and drinking is now.
This game isn't as child friendly as you might think. There's a lot of things such as tenten and Hinata while not directly stating insinuates very much so having sex with them. Then with pervy sage you can peek at naked women, like I said get drunk and married and so on.
So there is only biased issues here. Those who see it as normal or those who see it as obscene. However unless we take out all the other adult content or the likes we can't go against the few that do cannabis in their rp while people are drunk murdering baby eating psychopaths. (Sabumaru)
But then where's the line that we draw? Well marijuana is becoming more and more legal it seems. Other drugs known as hard drugs I think shouldn't be allowed. Cocaine, meth, etc are manufactured drugs more than the previous stated ones.
So drunk, nicotine, and high - allowed
Anything else - no
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I am against it.
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I am against it. I am against sex scenes in public as well. Which is against site rules.
Child friendly site?
Now while I personally do not see anything wrong with adult themes in rp, they have their place.
but if you must be drugged up to rp? Then I expect to see debuffs to your character's functioning abilities. It is no miracle enhancement that makes you oh so powerful. It makes you weak...we are not talking about the beserker rage of PCP here where you just keep charging forward even though the cops have just filled your chest with bullets. Pot impairs everything about your ability to function up to par, save at the BBQ stand where Choji hangs out.
My objection is the glorifying of it before children. There are children in my country who are dying from the purchase of synthetic weed. They are too stupid to know the difference and it is cheap. The chemicals used to coat it are not illegal. They try to keep up with it by making them illegal and then the manufacturers just change chemicals so they can be all legal once more. Some kid thinks its cool, they buy it, and they die. These are not even teenagers this is happening to.
I am also not all that impressed with running around drunk in rp. However, it is legal for adults [yes i know pot is legal for medical use with a prescription in some parts of my country. we need it for medicinal use everywhere. the results are quite remarkable in every case and it is stupid to deny people this aid.] and part of the buffs one can purchase in game, we have rp'd children trying to sneak a drink and the community stepping in to prevent it. One of my character's runs a sake house. Lee in the manga had drunken style. And that was played as his curious reaction to alcohol, which he abstains from like the plague until Mickey Finn'ed by his sensei. I personally feel the effects of alcohol are much worse that those of pot. I have as yet to hear of anyone saying, "Man I got so stoned last night I went home and beat the old woman." The debate over its benifits, versus those of alcohol are numerous and quite obvious to anyone who has bothered to look around.
However, that is not the point here.
Nasty language is barred and you can get banned for that. You can have all sorts of lovely things happen to you in the realm of punishments for daring to curse at someone. And why? Why is one word for a dirty rotten scoundrel acceptable while saying they are a #$%^*&*$ is not? They mean the same thing?
I presume it is because as a society we have been raised to keep our language clean before children, ladies, delicate personalities and the like. Why?
Could it be out of respect? could it be so children do not emulate their elders and turn into trash mouths?
So there you have it. It is a bad example to have out there for children.
And Hono? Side tracking the issue by pointing the finger to say...well look...its a naked woman, oh look its a pervy sage...or oh look they have beer...does not in any way impair the point of this topic.
That is like saying, well there are so many things messed up in the world let's just condone everything since even if we change this one thing there are still 6 million other issues out there that can corrupt and do much worse things to the youth of the world.
I say why just be one more turd on the pile of shit? It is so easy to NOT add to the world of woes. And it hurts no one to clean up things a little bit here and there. However, the why bother attitude does no one any good.
So because stupid ass parents can't be a parent you're blaming Hono for using weed on an rp site? I bet no kid at all got on and saw Hono's post and then went to buy synthetic weed and died. In your country.
There's no reason to stop them. No kid saw Hono's post and then went to buy weed cause he thought it was cool.
Kids emulate those they look up to. Hiphop stars, parents, friends. Not some random guy on the internet on a not too popular rp site.
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stupid parents?
like yours who failed to keep you from trying drugs and alcohol?
Like mine who did the same?
As if anyone can watch dog someone's life in the manner it would take to achieve such a straight and narrow existence that was filled with never doing anything that was wrong or bad for them.
Again I say why be that one more turd on the pile of bad influences? However, it is a comfort to know that you are so in touch with everyone here who reads these rp's to know what they do in their private time afterwards. I for one do not wish to gamble on your ability to know if you are right or wrong as to if the use of drugs in rp creates a safe environment for children here or not. I know that my children are not allowed to come on SL. And that is only one of the reasons why. Too bad too. They are much more creative in rp than I ever was.
I am done with this topic. I have voiced my objections. They are there to be counted up when it comes time for each person to decide how they will behave and what they wish to be known for.
I never tried any drug. Not even smoking. Ever. Drinking, yes that I have tried. However I don't drink. Ask anyone who knows me. ~
Agreed. More peoples opinions please!
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It's fine. I highly doubt any naruto game is going to drive kids to do drugs or drink, and if it does, well they were likely doomed in the real world anyway.
Maybe I'm biased cause I do both drugs and alcohol, but the drug in question here is marijuana. It's totally fine to rp with it. Especially when you consider it's not illegal everywhere (Netherlands, Colorodo, Alaska, D.C, etc).
If you're really uptight, maybe have the words cannabis, weed, etc filtered to natural herb, but that's all I can suggest.
If you're worried about children and don't want this allowed, then also removed any sex, tobacco, or alcohol references. Don't pick and choose, be all or nothing in my opinion.
Though if we are just going by what children emulate and do, shouldn't we just ban this whole game? A game based of fighting and killing, seems like we're sending the wrong message. Drugs are a big no, but watching people fight and kill, sure. Heck, a few years ago a kid died emulating Gaara's attack
http://www.tv.com/news/boy-dies-after-friends-imitate-naruto-11008/
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Back to the subject at hand.
I jail whoever uses mind- or judgement-altering substances in my village. Mainly because it's a ninja thing, where ninjas gotta know how to out-ninja other ninjas.
Like, lighting some pot may sound cool, until someone ninjas you for being impaired. Alchohol is different, where it can be good in small doses for being social. Though another drink can loosen someone up and impair just a bit of their judgement. And more can lead the drunkenness, which we all know impairs a lot. Heck, it's a part of Jiraiya's three vices of a ninja, that he unfortunately falls into. Or at least acts like he falls into.
It's also for the sake of being ninja, is why I usually leave my Sharingan active all the time. And why I'm usually setting some distance between myself and everyone. Not being Hanzo-paranoid here, but this is a continent full of ninjas.
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The increase of drug use amongst characters have spiked in SL recently and I see this as a problem among the community. The site is set within the realm of Naruto which has, for all we know, drinking and smoking but no use of other drugs like Marijuana.
Now SL is a place that, yes, contains adults but it also has lots of children and teens who should not be exposed to this type of thing.
*No Hono, I'm not calling you out on this. I've seen other character's who use drugs for fuel their characters power.
What do you guys and gals think? Is it an issue or should we just go with the flow of people making characters like this?
Really? I must have missed where this increased usage is even at. I haven't done any of these substances (sipped alcohol for worms when I was little but that was it). As earlier stated, if parents can't watch young children (I'm talking before puberty here) then that is an issue with the parenting in my opinion. It is considered rude to swear even as an adult, so no wonder you get banned for that.
However, the usage should be relevent to the character and not just for the sake of promoting it. I mean, if Hono gets his high (figuratively, not literally) from using sage mode and cannabis, well, okay, as long as it makes sense when actually used in RP (as Kayenta pointed out, the drug itself doesn't exactly seem very helpful for a combat person, but then again, Lee got tipsy if not outright drunk and still fought mildly coherently). If it's being smoked just for the sake of promotion, that's the line I say.
Most of the game's sensual stuff generally gives you buffs (marriage, getting laid, peeping, etc.) and may even alter the way your post outputs to the screen, so there's that relevence there.
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Lol, you are calling me out because my characters smoke pot. I don't care. Feel free to speak your minds.
The fact is, this game is about murder, killing for power, fighting, struggle, ect. I don't see how a fantasy character smoking something in a game of "Make Believe" isn't going to corrupt people, and if it does; they were weak minded to begin with.
Marijuana isn't the 'Devil's Herb' as America claims, it has been the outlet to many advances in the ability to fight cancer. Stop Seizures among mood balancing qualities and anti-anxiety medication. It's just because the cotton industry banned cannabis so that the government could still have the cash crop control.
I mean, if you are not a good enough parent to say, "Don't do drugs, drugs are serious things." I don't think you should be fertile. I personally smoke for many medicinal purposes:
I have mood swings, extreme anxiety disorders, OCD, and manic depression. I cope and live today thanks to the CBD, THC, THCA, CBDB ect. You have your right to an opinion and so do I; but is me strolling around smoking more harmful than.... say someone waiting to kill their brother during sleep or maybe even say...
If my RP offends people, I am sorry, but when their is only one person upset, I don't see a problem.
My character is a nice guy, a super hippie... use to be quite the dickhead. Found God in Nature and has taken a monk style approach. I am presenting weed as a calm, easy thing (except Sage Mode) I don't directly say Marijuana ever, but I would like too. I don't portray it negatively and hell, most people assume I smoke tobacco.
Words and speech can be influential, but it's the core of a person.
Prime Example of Naruto Misleading in the very first one.
Solider Pills: Make you fight for three days nonstop; equivalent to Nazi's pill of the same name.. it was made with meth...
their are plenty of references.
Rock Lee vs Garaa (Drunken Fist)
It goes to show that, Lee is a bad mofo when he drinks and fights seemingly better, but Garaa OP.
Is that not going to lead kids to want to drink to see if they are better fighters?
This is a realm of fantasy through and through and if kids can't separate that, it's not my or anyone else's fault that the kids choose to do so.
SL Examples:
A girl in Suna (Envy) dying, covered in vomit and crying drunk out of her mind and no one helped her. It was a gruesome RP, but it's okay, because alcohol isn't going to corrupt anyone, right? It's not addicting. There isn't a disease known as Alcoholism.. Nah.
Like, it showed the worse side of alcohol when all of us that have had a drink or two know that, it's rarely like that and everyone views it differently. Times are changing, buckle up.
tl;dr: It's RPG AU... It's a fantasy. If your only reason is to protect kids, then you it either means you assume the kids are weak minded and automatically will resort to drugs from reading about it in a text based game.
Or
All Parents are shitty and don't make their kids understand right from wrong.
P.S:You start learning about drugs in elementary school around 5th grade. So, yeah...
P.S.S: I can a test that, weed makes me a easier going person, I am easier to talk to and less confrontational. If that is a bad thing, by all means, I can RP without it. But, Villages might blow up ;)
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Now where Kage is coming from, I like.
If you are against drugs, arrest me... or try! It is just another layer into RP! Very fun and interesting as I might add.
I have developed a whole Sage Mode based around it and nature. I don't rely on the pot, but it helps for other purposes. I just haven't heard a valid argument yet, and I am not trying to be rude either, I think this really needed to be address and if the majority votes one way...
I mean I won't like it, but I will rework my character. I just don't see it as a big deal and didn't think this much conflict would arise.
FYI:
Justu Lists:
Cannabis Fist
Kush Kiss (Execution by Kiss Alt)
Purple Haze (Fog AOE that causes lethargic movements in others)
(Oh, and you can build tolerances which allow you to fight with it better so you don't move so sluggishly.) It's a fun aspect.
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"Kid friendly game"
Alright...lets look at this "kid friendly game". Did you know you can get laid by Ten-ten and Hinata? Doing so increases your charm. By the way, peeking at girls? Hella kid friendly.
Also, the manga glorifies drinking. The fact that Lee was so kickass when after drinking the sake kinda says something.
Before it was changed, deleting your character would send the character's spouse the darkest suicide message ever.
Now, lets talk about rp. I'm gonna use Hono as an example since he gets a lot of slack for this and his love for Mary Jane. I typically read everyone's rps, and his use of Mary Jane is quite creative. Now tell me, how is that any different from someone who drinks in RP?
If I were to talk about the 'heavy drinkers' of SL, I immediately think of Kirk, Asadi, and a few others.
So, we can glorify drunkness and problems that come with that, but getting high? No, that's a cardinal sin.
#420Blazeit
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"Kid friendly game"
Alright...lets look at this "kid friendly game". Did you know you can get laid by Ten-ten and Hinata? Doing so increases your charm. By the way, peeking at girls? Hella kid friendly.
Also, the manga glorifies drinking. The fact that Lee was so kickass when after drinking the sake kinda says something.
Before it was changed, deleting your character would send the character's spouse the darkest suicide message ever.
Now, lets talk about rp. I'm gonna use Hono as an example since he gets a lot of slack for this and his love for Mary Jane. I typically read everyone's rps, and his use of Mary Jane is quit creative. Now tell me, how is that any different from someone who drinks in RP?
If I were to talk about the 'heavy drinkers' of SL, I immediately think of Kirk, Asadi, and a few others.
So, we can glorify drunkness and problems that come with that, but getting high? No, that's a cardinal sin.
#420Blazeit
Gene <3 bby
Yeah, my use of it in RP has developed over time.. I start originally with Cannabis Fist, and my charcter had no tolerance and it really was a dire move to use, but when the opponent has Sharingan and can trace your movements, by relaxing all the muscles in your body and moving as your body naturally wishes to flow, I can dodge more perfectly and the perdict of Sharingan is useless.
From there it only grew, I am more of a stationary fighter, but since tolerance makes the effects less of a high and more of a state of mind, I began to train it with meditation to take the good and filter the bad. I mean, I am glad Gene reads my RPs, I go alittle to ham bone on them sometimes.
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Until Neji puts up a Pot smoking buff at the ramen shop, all the other so called ill of the game are justifiable, while this one is not SL sanctioned.
So the very crux of your argument is that all of the "ill(s)" stated prior are perfectly fine since they serve some in-game function?
Does this mean I have to go to "feature requests" and ask Neji for a cannabis shop ingame?
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Fine. I am going to Neji then. BRB with messages.
I will pention for the cannabis shop (medical of course) and all. Gonna be dope, yo.
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Fine. I am going to Neji then. BRB with messages.
I will pention for the cannabis shop (medical of course) and all. Gonna be dope, yo.
Be sure to mention names:
1. Hypeherbally
2. Apotcalypse
3. B’leaf
4. Fweedom Collective
5. The Canna Cabana
6. Planet Hollyweed
7. Starbuds
8. Hard Pot Cafe
9. United We’d Stand
10. One Hit Wonders
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I will pention for the cannabis shop (medical of course) and all. Gonna be dope, yo.
Word, all my Sharingan use is giving me glaucoma.
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GENE XDDDDD
Oh, and Hono Haze
Kushina Kush
Naruto Nuke
Danzo Diesel
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I don't get this topic, not have found any excessive drug use. If anything popping enhancement pills is another form of drug use, drinking alcohol another drug use. Whats the problem with something the earth provides? I mean if we separate from the normal ninja duties and actually go breaking bad and start distributing crystal blue throughout the nations, sure I could see how that interferes with the 'kid' friendly environment. You are talking about something less harmful than smoking tobaccoo and yet seem to be offended that people choose such a route. My personal indulgences are private, although I respect my characters cultivation of hemp and cannabis alike. It helps him unwind and actually provides much spiritual healing and consciousness for intense training and meditation.
I mean rock lee has Drunken Fist, I thought it would be funny to make a spin off called cannabis fist. Since I am not going to lie and state cannabis doesn't alter the mind, hence the fighting style mode. Otherwise it is used as commonly as one smokes a bit of tobacco from their pipe. I don't see whats wrong with that. This is coming down to just I don't like what you do, so stop. There are far more worse situations that occur in RP rather than someone peacefully toking. Whats next we are gonna start banning smoking cigarettes and drinking booze? Do whatever you want and let no one's opinions stop you. Role Play as you please.
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This topic has generally confused me. I have not seen any excessive "drug" use over the years on this server.
Marijuana in my eyes isn't a drug but a naturally occurring plant that grows within the environment as a "weed" and surprisingly has been around since biblical times.
When I was instated as moderator on this server many years ago, I started to notice that most of the conservative users on here whom advocated "This is a kid-friendly game! Don't do that!" are actually users of drugs, alcohol or tobacco.
Their approach is actually hypocritical but I really don't question the method that is taken to ensure that this server stay "kid-friendly" because in reality, I know it's a flawed method to take and ensure we have this "safe environment".
TL;DR?
Cannabis is a plant that was classified into a schedule one drug all because William Randalf Hearst didn't want to lose his investment in the lumber industry and DuPont, the man used his power from his newspaper business and from his set of this House of Representatives, he ran a smear campaign against Marijuana; pushing for the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937. (You were require to get a stamp that was impossible to get)
Also this was all done because Hearst was against the industrial use of Hemp, which threaten his monopoly on the DuPont and most of the lumber industry.
Surprisingly enough alcohol and tobacco is also scheduled as a "psychoactive drug", so yeah do your research and you'll find the paper trail for those whom profited off of banning use of "dope" and alcohol. (Hell even tobacco too!)
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I've very really seen any drug references on the game, but I know the few times it's appeared people have complained and the offenders often get a slap on the wrist.
While it doesn't seem so bad, I think the only real reason there could be any issue with it is purely due to the fact it is considered illegal in many places, and on opinions on this fact really don't matter, it is the case.
Now as SL is online environment that takes in many countries and legal jurisdictions, it really has to cover all bases. If it is gonna operate in a certain area, it has to try and enforce the laws of that land as best it can. So even though the drug often mentioned here is legal in many places (mostly for medical use only), SL may still have an obligation to discourage such behavior. Whereas alcohol etc are legal basically everywhere.
It's the same issue with other site rules, language, sexual RP, etc. Different laws in different places. SL could allow such things in the game, but then it would have to adhere to the age restrictions, which vary greatly even just in states of various countries, let alone whole different countries. Then it has to try and enforce these restrictions otherwise we get in deep doo doo.
tl;dr - Things are illegal in some places etc, and Neji has to cover his own butt. XD
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While it doesn't seem so bad, I think the only real reason there could be any issue with it is purely due to the fact it is considered illegal in many places, and on opinions on this fact really don't matter, it is the case.
The only hurdle would be the legalities, so I understand that. But the thing is, RPing that you're smoking pot isn't the same as actually doing it.
If anything, it is the equivalent as a work of art...which is legal in many places. There are plenty movies, books, and other works of art that portray their characters doing drugs and these movies have been aired in countries where drug use is illegal. Need I remind you we're rping, not actually doing the said activity. Are we actually selling Pot off this site? No, we're merely writing about it.
Also, the drinking age in many countries varies. Some places it is 18 and others it's 21. Speaking for myself, I'm 20 (turning 21 in 4 days woot) and I have RP'd drinking.
I must say it is nice to see someone post a reply here stating his views/explanations in an adult and intelligent manner without resorting to insulting and name calling of those who voice an opposing thought while degrading their views as trash.
I personally feel that it is not hypocritical but rather acting in a responsible manner to not promote the errant behaviors of yourself to children. But that is just me.
Everyone in this thread has been posting in an "adult and intelligent manner". I fail to recall any instances in this thread where anyone has resorted to name calling, so please stay relevant to the topic at hand.
And the "Think of the children!" argument again. If that's the case, then please remove all instances of peeping, sexual innuendos, and drunkness/drinking from SL. One can't pick and choose.
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*Genesis posted the same thought before he did ;-;*
It's illegal to use and have in many countries. It's not illegal to write about it in most countries. We are writing about it. Just because Hono does it in real life does not mean he can't write about it via his character. Corpus Delicti.
Alcohol is illegal in MOST Muslim states. More or less the whole Middle East with parts of Africa and such. Bhutan is the only country in the world to ban tobbaco use. It's true. Do we now need to censor our writing to fulfill their laws about it? Doing and writing are separate things.
Writing is fine in all forms about drugs in most places save for big brother countries and if someone from a big brother country is somehow on the internet they have a lot more to worry about than just reading about weed.
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With my own RP's involving the cannabis plant and how some of my characters own farms that cultivate hemp along side other products is a sheer way of life. Its not like they are advocating and spreading their beliefs, simply carrying them out. Maybe if we were imposing others to join us, then I would understand the problem if anything.
But seriously I can sit here and argue the many other non 'kid friendly' acts that go about on SL, like others seem to be doing. I won't. To each their own, stop trying to regulate how people wish to 'live' their fantasy shinobi life. >_>; If your character has such ill-intention towards cannabis and its consumption then they are free to act on it in order to 'squash' its existence. Good luck though, hemp has been one of Oto's main crops since I've been around. Haven't had a complaint since this thread.
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The trend here for the past two years is to shit stomp the life out of those who disagree with one another through derisiveness and voiding and ostracizing.
No one likes to be ridiculed or have to fend off rude commentary concerning their rp, and especially their opinions, every time they show their faces in public. I do not find it a flaw in character to try and abstain from behaviors that are fundamentally offensive to others. I find that sort of consideration to actually be respectful.
Uh...isn't that what this topic was made to do? To make them change their rp based on others beliefs of how it should be. The very thing you want, free rp, having others voice without people bashing them for what they do, etc. You are at this very moment doing it, ostracizing it.
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Scenario: Sabumaru gets wasted after a failed abortion which he failed at on purpose. He begins to consume the corpses of the dead fetuses.
(Example of Actual RP IC)
Sceanrio 2: Hono is walking down the street smoking a joint, a old lady drops her fruit she was buying, stops and helps her pick it all up, giving her Ryo to cover the damaged goods and is off on his way.
Sooooo uh, what is worse here?
Thoughts?
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The fact of the matter at this point is that all counter arguments against why we shouldn't have Marijuana in-game could be applied to literally anything.
The Middle East is mostly a dry country or collection of them. Drink is death if caught.
It's illegal to murder, FYI.
It's illegal to steal.
So... should we change the game and remove everything that is illegal... ause we won't have a game.
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So, Murder is acceptable? And if you think kids can realize that Murder isn't okay, don't you think they can know that Marijuana isn't something you play with.
Kay is right, he isn't voiding me.
Furthermore, this isn't about who did what, their are others who use Marijuana in-game who are remaining voiceless to avoid grief and seeing as how I am outspoken and don't care what others think of me because you know.... those are opinions; I am the one here to fight for it. Not to glorify weed, not to prove shit, not to be cool, just wanna RP they way I want...
Hono has rage-like episodes from a odd state of BPD/BP2D and curbs his swings and moods with staying medicated. Last time he didn't, half of Uzushiogakure no Sato was destroyed. So, I actually use this "harmful, awful thing" as means to develop my character.
I have been playing this way for too long, I have too much development. I rather be banned for SL then change what I am doing when the game was suppose to be an
OPEN SOURCE RP BOARD for RP of ALL kinds, not strictly Naruto regardless of the Unvierse's Scape. Sure, Neji says drug use is prohibited. Well, Marijuana isn't a 'drug' it's a medication.
Pain Killers are more harmful than weed is. :3
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This site is NOT kid friendly. It's tolerable, perhaps, but not to the extent you seem to try to pass it off as.
Then there's people who rp smoking on here. Tobacco. No one sees an issue with it. It's totally kid friendly.
Then there's people who rp smoking on here. Weed. A lot see an issue with it. It's totally not kid friendly.
However it's a known fact that tobacco when compared to weed is x100000000000000 times worse.
So why is there such a problem? Read Kamui's post. And what I've said before. You're not used to it. It's not normal so you shun it. Happens all the time. With AIDS, with LGTB, race (black people), women's rights and so on. Give it another 50 years and it'll be just as legal and FAR SAFER than the chemically made tobacco people smoke today.
I don't smoke it myself and I never will, but I'm not blind to the facts of the two and would much rather have someone I know, even my kids smoking weed rather than tobacco just based on health issues.
Morally it's not normal so it's looked down upon. But in truth weed is safer and since it's safer, more child friendly than tobacco. I'd rather kids use something organic than some altered chemical substance.
I'm not saying marijuana is free of health issues and that there's no doubt some altered nasty crap made from weed. But the lesser of the two evils is weed. Also I don't want my kids doing weed or any kind of drugs or drinking or any of that, but like I said if a choice was to be made, weed all the way.
So I say we ban tobacco more than weed. It's obviously the worse of the two. Do research and see.
Added: And yes we point the finger at other issues. Because we see it as biased. You allow drunk people, but not high people? Of course we're going to point it out like said cause of bias.
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Actually, Genesis, if you read again you can see all sorts of personal descriptors used to indicate the opinions of those who find no problem with the use of drugs in rp concerning those that do have a problem with it.
These are some of the denigrating terms I have seen used.
Hypocrisy
Uptight
stupid ass parents
not a good enough parent and should be infertile
as for relevance to the topic, I would think that complimenting someone upon keeping to the topic rather than digressing into insulting dialogue is quite pertinent. Additionally, I hardly feel that making a complimentary remark implies that I feel that everyone here is not being pertinent to the conversation. Do try not to be so reactionary and pick apart everything I say misconstruing intentions that just are not present.
Well, then I must apologize to you Kayenta. I simply didn't know the context when you said insults were being thrown around. I thought someone in this thread was insulting you, rather, you meant some individuals were rather insulting those who didn't think like them or their own lifestyle.
For that I gravely apologize.
And I agree to you to an extent. If we were to list the "greatest" of all evils, we ourselves would be the worst. Our own human greed and and motives would probably propel us to the top of that list.
But this thread about that.
People want to get lit in RP. That's simply what people like Hono, myself, Keito, etc. are all going for. (Surprisingly a large number of Uzumaki's are supportive of this lol). Whether it be for recreational reasons, medical reasons, combative reasons. It's a natural herb.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you argue that any drug use is plain wrong. I'm arguing that are many other sins on this site also, so what is the difference?
Here's the thing: Morals are completely subjective. We can go on for days about this. Page after page. And we'd be both right because what is right to us. But there is a large voice that wants this to happen.
I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but I'll say it again: If smoking pot is such a sin, please remove all sexual innuendos, drinking, etc., from this site. The "It's the greater of all the sins" argument isn't gonna cut it.
If one were so "pro-children environment", where were the petitions to remove all sexual innuendos, bars, prior to this thread?
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It's pretty much up to the moderators on the site. If no one has said anything to you Hono, or anyone else. Keep on going, if they wanted to they would have muted you or deleted you by now.
No one's opinion is changing, so lets lock it. This can be reopened if the moderators do take issue, but as of right now, they don't seem to.
For those who do have a problem, I suggest speaking to Neji or some other moderator besides Camel who has made his opinion known
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It's pretty much up to the moderators on the site. If no one has said anything to you Hono, or anyone else. Keep on going, if they wanted to they would have muted you or deleted you by now.
Word, if you wanna smoke, go for it. It's up to the mods now. If one were to report me, whatever actions the mods take will set the precedent.
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Don't like that our characters smoke weed in RP? Don't RP with us. That seems to be Suna's mantra, so go follow that. There is nothing I can say that has not already been said 100x by everyone else. Weed is better than Tobacco plain and simple, both for medical use and recreational use.
If your child cannot differentiate good and bad, then you obviously did not raise your child very well. So it's that simple.
Proceeds to light a joint and watch the rest of the invalid arguments :smt033 8)
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Don't like that our characters smoke weed in RP? Don't RP with us. That seems to be Suna's mantra, so go follow that. There is nothing I can say that has not already been said 100x by everyone else. Weed is better than Tobacco plain and simple, both for medical use and recreational use.
If your child cannot differentiate good and bad, then you obviously did not raise your child very well. So it's that simple.
Proceeds to light a joint and watch the rest of the invalid arguments :smt033 8)
Oh shit that smiley looks like a joint. Ban it.
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Does everyone realize how retarded this whole topic is?
"Wah! Drugs are bad, look at all these reasons!"
"No, drugs are good, look at all these reasons! And look at all the other bad stuff on this site!"
Basically, everyone's acting like a moron. We can debate as much as we want, but until Neji (who is the site's owner) comes out and says whether or not he wants drug use displayed on the main site (because I know all of the sick stuff that happens behind locked doors in PMs. Y'all should be ashamed), we won't get a good answer and it'll just be people flinging mud at each other. All that will do is make an even more cancerous community for people to play this game in.
If anything, we should be focused on fixing the community of this website so more people have fun together!
This topic in a nutshell:
(http://cdn.pichars.org/store/6732_original_1324416878138.jpg)
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Does everyone realize how retarded this whole topic is?
"Wah! Drugs are bad, look at all these reasons!"
"No, drugs are good, look at all these reasons! And look at all the other bad stuff on this site!"
Basically, everyone's acting like a moron. We can debate as much as we want, but until Neji (who is the site's owner) comes out and says whether or not he wants drug use displayed on the main site (because I know all of the sick stuff that happens behind locked doors in PMs. Y'all should be ashamed), we won't get a good answer and it'll just be people flinging mud at each other. All that will do is make an even more cancerous community for people to play this game in.
If anything, we should be focused on fixing the community of this website so more people have fun together!
This topic in a nutshell:
(http://cdn.pichars.org/store/6732_original_1324416878138.jpg)
How are we morons when you don't actually know what this is about. It's not good or bad... it's whether it should be allowed in RP. Please read the topic and posts before you attempt to 'school' everyone.
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FYI: If I am an asshole for stating my opinion and fighting for my right to do something. So, be it.
I rather be judge and persecuted for my beliefs than to turn over and show my belly. I believe that I have been very straight forward, calm and collected and have given many popular view points that others seem to stand by.
Am I trying to shove Marijuana, Ganja, Reefer and all that it encompasses down your throats? Nah, just my own. So, please let me like Trev said.. which is what I will do until someone reports me enough to get me banned, muted or otherwise.
Kayenta is wrong, she has good points of view and ideas to support her claims. She is right in my opinion to a point, sheltering kids is something we should do. But, shouldn't this be an opportunity to teach children and impressionable people the separation between fantasy and reality just as kids inherently know right from wrong to a certain extent. (Obviously kids still need to be nurtured and groomed, but you get the idea.)
tl;dr: I am loud and display my points of view. I am proud of what I represent... just like the American Colonies did. Times are changing.
P.S. #swigswag
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Alright. :evil:
Locked for now.
There are numerous ways of having civilized discourse.
The topic has derailed.
I'll un-lock it later on.
Edit:
Un-locked
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Ace, why you do dis? $5 it gets de-railed again. Also, no I don't have any stand on the matter because, as long as someone isn't breaking site rules, they can pretty much do whatever they want.
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Derails the thread.
420 BLAZE IT.
Edit: I love how my Karma went down to -8 just because of this post.
Edit 2: Shout out to the person gave me +1. You da real MVP.
Edit 3: Word? Another +1? It's raining karma!
Edit 4: Father forgive me these Karma gains.
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IT's a pettiness race. Mine went down by 10 points!
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IT's a pettiness race. Mine went down by 10 points!
Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things. - George Carlin (R.I.P.)
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but but...petting...
sighs
killjoy!
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Alright. :evil:
Locked for now.
There are numerous ways of having civilized discourse.
The topic has derailed.
I'll un-lock it later on.
Edit:
Un-locked
Methinks you shoulda kept it locked.
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I will bring this back on subject.
I believe everyone that had a view point on the matter spoke, and I don't know if anyone reached a conclusion other than "Yo, RP whatever you wish."
Unless I missunderstood.
(I also went up to -11! Oh no! You guys don't like my opinions?! Shoot! As if I didn't know that. I am so sad you gave my imaginary down votes. Shucks)
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Just go with that. It's seriously just cherry picking when we have countless of other negative influences that are accepted as boons in the SL game.
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No idea why this topic was stickied, but I think it's pretty safe to lock it at this point. If I'm mistaken, may the powers that be unlock it if further discussion is really wanted on the topic.