Shinobi Legends Forum
Game Development => Feature Requests => Topic started by: KayentaMoenkopi on May 19, 2013, 08:29:50 PM
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I searched the topics but found nothing suitable to post to, so am starting my own thread.
I wish to see Otogakure be reinstated to village status for the purpose of claiming that as my race of origin.
I have a sitter who is a Sound nin who no longer has an academy to attend in order to change elemental affinity. Essentially, the decommissioning of Oto as village with all the amenities has halted his ability to progress.
There is also no longer forest access from Oto and running turns requires travel in order to reach the forest and there is no bank to deposit gold within. Additionally, those who sleep in the forests of Oto are immune to pvp as there is no access to the fields there.
Does anyone else feel that there is a need to put Oto back up to full village status?
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The same reason we took 'em out in the first place, I guess. People felt that it was unneeded to make into a village of birth since we asked for the main villages to be updated and used.
Also, someone back-check this for me, I don't think people are born into a sound shinobi. They're just integrated, yeh?
I get your concern, though. You want your ninja academy back. If anything, you can go to *a certain place* to change your race and then be able to go to the academy again.
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Trev, I, and others who actually used Oto as more than just to Dk, PvP also requested the village to be put back as a regular one. Why? Due to there being no 'evil' alignment village anymore. I thought that Iwa was going to be the new Oto, but seems not. I want the PvP back, the ability to choose Sound as a race and the scry option.
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yeah. It is just cool for me to have certain characters be Oto nins. So...changing their village of origins just isn't an option.
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Additionally, those who sleep in the forests of Oto are immune to pvp as there is no access to the fields there.
Not commenting or dismissing your other concerns, but the "safe haven" provided by Oto is the biggest problem I have with it.
I think if it is going to be left "as is", with Fields for PvP purposes, then there should be an unexplained teleportation jutsu cast where logging out "to the fields" in Oto causes you to randomly be sleeping in the fields of one of the five main cities.
Just a thought.
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I believe that Otogakure should be a village by birth too just as much as Konoha, Suna and etc like the others said. Also, I agree what most people are saying with the whole using Otogakure as a PvP escape. It has become one of the main difficulties on Shinobi Legends.
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I'd do it, but I'd also like having a single spot where you can "flee to" when you don't like PvP.
However, that spot should be limited.
Not by price per se, but by "having some trouble to get to it".
I could imagine spending turns for it, but due to buying turns on OK it can be hard to get the right amount.
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I'd do it, but I'd also like having a single spot where you can "flee to" when you don't like PvP.
However, that spot should be limited.
Not by price per se, but by "having some trouble to get to it".
I could imagine spending turns for it, but due to buying turns on OK it can be hard to get the right amount.
What about the map to Otogakure event, eh? Otogakure was intended to be a secret village that had to be discovered. That event isn't really that special anymore as you don't need the map to gain access to Otogakure. You can simply just head towards Otogakure.
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I'd do it, but I'd also like having a single spot where you can "flee to" when you don't like PvP.
However, that spot should be limited.
Not by price per se, but by "having some trouble to get to it".
I could imagine spending turns for it, but due to buying turns on OK it can be hard to get the right amount.
What about the map to Otogakure event, eh? Otogakure was intended to be a secret village that had to be discovered. That event isn't really that special anymore as you don't need the map to gain access to Otogakure. You can simply just head towards Otogakure.
Uhm, what? you agreed on having Oto become a regular village again, by making it 'secret' those who want to claim it as home would have to spend 100 gems just to get to it? Unless you take that option out for those who choose it. However that would also severely kill rp in that village. We switched Oto with Iwa and kicked in Kumo. Yet Kumo is less active than Oto still and Iwa is also less active rp-wise. I say just, as this topic asks, make it a village of birth again.
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All of my yes into this topic. Give me back Oto and the evil anbu :evil:
Please :cry:
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I have no opinion on whether Otogakure becomes a village or not...although technically, according to Narutopedia, it isn't really a village. Called a village as a disguise for Oro's labs. Also, note that most Otogakure shinobi originally come from different Lands beyond the Land of Sound (formerly known as Rice Field). Oto has no academy now, so no shinobi of their own. They had in the past, but probably died out when they tried to invade Konoha. The only remaining ones are lab experiments who obey Oro.
Anyways, now that i let that out, my only problem is the PvP "safe haven" thing. I don't believe there should be such thing as a safe zone. You can hide, but you shouldn't be able to completely disappear...(perhaps, unless you are capable of Kamui)
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I have no opinion on whether Otogakure becomes a village or not...although technically, according to Narutopedia, it isn't really a village. Called a village as a disguise for Oro's labs. Also, note that most Otogakure shinobi originally come from different Lands beyond the Land of Sound (formerly known as Rice Field). Oto has no academy now, so no shinobi of their own. They had in the past, but probably died out when they tried to invade Konoha. The only remaining ones are lab experiments who obey Oro.
Anyways, now that i let that out, my only problem is the PvP "safe haven" thing. I don't believe there should be such thing as a safe zone. You can hide, but you shouldn't be able to completely disappear...(perhaps, unless you are capable of Kamui)
Just....I..
This game ISN'T meant to be CANON TO THE SHOW. If that were the case then your 'Uchiha' name would be void.
There is another safe haven besides Oto it's called Hoshi. Only Sannin +, but it still effectively makes you safe since very few go there anymore.
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My Uchiha name is void in-game. I changed it when the Uchiha Ichizoku first appeared. Even paid money for it.
But yeh, I wonder why Hoshi too...at first, I thought Hoshi was a sympathy-made type of place. I thought that once you get to Sannin, it gets harder and harder to level with the type of Forest dudes that pop up or the players of similar rank who have crazy high attack and defense that just stay as they are to gain up on PvPs.....But then I realized, same the PvP stuff is what matters and the PvP thing also happens in the lower ranks...
Maybe, it is because Sannins are supposed to be like the Sannins in canon = bloody hard to find.
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Shindo you're killing me. This IS NOT THE NAUTOVERSE. It's SL. Unless stated otherwise nothing connects.
Hoshi is a place you get when you attain Sannin. Why? Back in the old days blah blah. I'm on my phone and this forum sucks for it.
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Remember when they held gems, the good days.
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Remember when they held gems, the good days.
Damn straight on that one.
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Pretty sure it'd be abused even more nowadays than back then.
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It made getting to know people worthwhile.
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God I love you.
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Everyone's taking refuge in Otogakure. I can't pvp anyone there anymore.
I think I might just stop being a level-sitter because I can't check all non-otogakure villages for pvps with my limited travel turns.
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Everyone's taking refuge in Otogakure. I can't pvp anyone there anymore.
I think I might just stop being a level-sitter because I can't check all non-otogakure villages for pvps with my limited travel turns.
If it helps, I usually log out in Kiri. But yeah, if Oto is going to be an actual village/race again, it needs to not be a PvP safe-haven anymore.
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I think we need more KG's instead.
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I think we need more KG's instead.
No we don't. We have enough Kekkei Genkai.
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I think we need more KG's instead.
No we don't. We have enough Kekkei Genkai.
No way.
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I don't know if you guys noticed, but when I was actually leveling in the forest of Kirigakure, I stumbled upon the anbu. I'm chaotic good, and usually they target the evil alignment characters; but they attacked me. So... I think it was changed to be an evil alignment anbu? Or was that a bug? O.o
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I don't know if you guys noticed, but when I was actually leveling in the forest of Kirigakure, I stumbled upon the anbu. I'm chaotic good, and usually they target the evil alignment characters; but they attacked me. So... I think it was changed to be an evil alignment anbu? Or was that a bug? O.o
It's not a bug, the Evil ANBU were added to Kiri after Oto became just a pvp safe haven.
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I don't know if you guys noticed, but when I was actually leveling in the forest of Kirigakure, I stumbled upon the anbu. I'm chaotic good, and usually they target the evil alignment characters; but they attacked me. So... I think it was changed to be an evil alignment anbu? Or was that a bug? O.o
It's not a bug, the Evil ANBU were added to Kiri after Oto became just a pvp safe haven.
I guess that's where evil people should go for the time being? xD
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I would like it if Oto was made a main village again.
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NECRO. xD
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I had to look that up in the urban dictionary Shadow; it defines it as the following:
nerco
when you're too stupid to spell "necro" proper
I don't suppose that is what you meant. :smt080
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I had to look that up in the urban dictionary Shadow; it defines it as the following:
nerco
when you're too stupid to spell "necro" proper
I don't suppose that is what you meant. :smt080
I don't know what you're talking about. .-.
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I would personally like to see this back. As someone who played a LOOOONNNGG time ago, (took a long hiatus only logging on to make sure my character was still alive) it is kinda hurtful to know i cant pick it again. I have always picked sound and taijutsu as my village. Without it as a choice i dont really want to kill Oro to move on since i still have Sound as my origin village. Sure i can RP as a sound ninja but its not the same. It would be nice to see it come back. Why was it stopped if i may ask? I havent been on for like 4 years or so.
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Cause Iwa and kumo and such was added. I don't see why it was completely removed though.
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I would like for it to be back as i said. As a returning player it just feels weird to see a function that was there initially not be there anymore, if it was a bit unfair for some reason then even it out, at least that is my suggestion. For the past two weeks i have been just killing in the battle arena since i dont wanna do the oro kill and lose my sound origin. Yes i know some people may say "Move on" or "Thats just how it goes" And sure its true but its still saddening.
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I personally enjoy stumbling across people who are still listed as Sound ninja by origins, but it does seriously limit you to being a sitter account. I have 2 accounts that are sound ninja but moved on to do the DKs and earn in game resets but I disliked having to move them. Yugito going back to Kumo just made sense but for Shima Umioso and Inazawa Tai life just has never been the same.
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I hope that we can get it back. I'm just here collecting gold. Neji, what if i beg and offer ice cream every Tuesday. Pwease?!
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Daresay removed completely because it never was a major village unlike kumo and iwa, and at this point there would be no stat nor in-game stores to give them. Personally I'd rather see the villages kept as they are now, but the option to buy a map to oto removed since that's no longer required.
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Daresay removed completely because it never was a major village unlike kumo and iwa, and at this point there would be no stat nor in-game stores to give them. Personally I'd rather see the villages kept as they are now, but the option to buy a map to oto removed since that's no longer required.
People who want Otogakure back already said they don't care if it gives anything extra. Just want it back as a place of birth. The reason why is that Otogakure has more people who like it than the other villages. I dare say it's more active than Kumo and/or Iwagakure right now.
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Daresay removed completely because it never was a major village unlike kumo and iwa, and at this point there would be no stat nor in-game stores to give them. Personally I'd rather see the villages kept as they are now, but the option to buy a map to oto removed since that's no longer required.
He speaks the truth, all i want is the village as my birth. I have my city house there, i like having the sound as my village. It makes me happy. Im just kinda in the weird limbo with this character, i dont have enough points to buy a perma account so i kinda have to keep logging in to keep him a sound ninja since i have had him for so long haha
People who want Otogakure back already said they don't care if it gives anything extra. Just want it back as a place of birth. The reason why is that Otogakure has more people who like it than the other villages. I dare say it's more active than Kumo and/or Iwagakure right now.
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It is a great nation on SL though. And always has been. So it kind of bites that that area is missing now. Those who rp there have to travel or scry if they level their accounts just to post. and I was never about the village buff.
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Otogakure was removed because of the addition of Iwa and Kumo. The thought was to only have the five main villages as a playable race.
However, if you look at Neji's comment in this thread, he has willingness to put it back but he wants a safe haven from pvp in the game.
So if you really want Oto back, you have to convince Neji to move the safe haven pvp elsewhere, and then he might put Oto back since I'm fairly sure it would be easy enough to code and such, since it was apart of the game at one point.
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Make nin cen the safe place. It's supposed to be the place of peace, no?
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That's what I was thinking, would make more sense than Oto, a place of violence in the manga
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Yea, ninja central would make sense as a safe place. Please neji, i need this in my life haha.
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that would make much more sense than Oto as a safe haven.
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I agree with this. Make Ninja Central the no pvp zone.
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Plus the whole "hitch hiking" thing to it would also make sense (at least to me) since it would be a last resort kinda thing to run to it
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I would love to see this become a real village! I think it would be exciting and interesting in and out of rp.
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Bump. Can we get this idea shot down or approved Neji????
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uses her amazing powers of denial to edit out the 'shot down' part from Trev's post.
:smt051 :smt072
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I'm just trying to move on with my life xD, so a yes or no would do me wonders. A yes to get things going or a no to destroy my hopes lol
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THIS TOPIC WAS MADE ALMOST EXACTLY 2 YEARS AGO. (It's like 2 weeks over it)
Neji come on man. 2 years we've waited for an answer.
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Maybe he's waited all this time for you guys to figure out on your own its not happening.
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Nah. He'll do it. >>
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Maybe he's waited all this time for you guys to figure out on your own its not happening.
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He'll be waiting a long time.
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Jiseigakure as the "safe place" and Oto reinstated.
Although the village itself, Oto, will not contain nearly as many shops and such...
Seems like a plausible request.
Oliver? =)
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In case Neji does read this, I'll summarize the counter-arguments too...and I also emphasize they aren't meant as an offense to anyone, regardless of how they may sound >_>
To put it simply there's no real point to restore Oto, since for one there is no buff to give them since the main villages have all 5 in use already, and anyone can travel there now since buying the map is no longer required, its not even an expensive travel and you can get there from basically anywhere. If that isn't enough you can now also scry it through the gypsy tent no problem, for just a smidgen of gold.
I mean, to be blunt, there's plenty ways to get there, clan halls can be accessed from basically anywhere too, even shades, so...isn't demanding even more kinda just the laziness talking?
As for an RP pov, Otogakure never was a real village in canon, just a fake name for Orochimaru's various labs and experiments/freaks. In-game village of birth is already basically completely inconsequential RP-wise, has been for a long time, so what purpose would adding oto to that list serve outside of feeding the nostalgia of either current or former oto people?
Nothing really. And as aforementioned it wouldn't change anything RP-wise either, because one can already do all the RP possible from basically anywhere.
There is one thing I will agree on though; the event about the vendor selling a map to Otogakure should be turned off. Going there hasn't required it in a long time, isn't going to again either from the looks of it, so currently the event serves no purpose other than a hoax to eat up a load of your gems for nothing.
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In case Neji does read this, I'll summarize the counter-arguments too...and I also emphasize they aren't meant as an offense to anyone, regardless of how they may sound >_>
To put it simply there's no real point to restore Oto, since for one there is no buff to give them since the main villages have all 5 in use already, and anyone can travel there now since buying the map is no longer required, its not even an expensive travel and you can get there from basically anywhere. If that isn't enough you can now also scry it through the gypsy tent no problem, for just a smidgen of gold.
I mean, to be blunt, there's plenty ways to get there, clan halls can be accessed from basically anywhere too, even shades, so...isn't demanding even more kinda just the laziness talking?
As for an RP pov, Otogakure never was a real village in canon, just a fake name for Orochimaru's various labs and experiments/freaks. In-game village of birth is already basically completely inconsequential RP-wise, has been for a long time, so what purpose would adding oto to that list serve outside of feeding the nostalgia of either current or former oto people?
Nothing really. And as aforementioned it wouldn't change anything RP-wise either, because one can already do all the RP possible from basically anywhere.
There is one thing I will agree on though; the event about the vendor selling a map to Otogakure should be turned off. Going there hasn't required it in a long time, isn't going to again either from the looks of it, so currently the event serves no purpose other than a hoax to eat up a load of your gems for nothing.
GET OUT
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We already said we don't need/want a buff. KG make village buffs useless anyway.
So you're backing up that it's already available everywhere? Good. :D So since it already functions like a main village why not make it one?
And for RP. Please keep in mind SL picks and chooses which parts of canon it wants to follow. Remember some villages on here aren't even from Naruto or were blown up years ago. (Uzumakis anyone)
Warren that wasn't against us at all. You just stated how useless it would be while acknowledging that the only thing keeping it from being a village is birth choice.
What difference would it make? Why not just turn it on since like said, it's already a main village more or less.
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Just the same I could say all you in turn just did was prove me right, that coding that stuff would be a pointless hassle for no true benefit whatsoever.
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Just the same I could say all you in turn just did was prove me right, that coding that stuff would be a pointless hassle for no true benefit whatsoever.
It's not a hassle at all to implement it as a village. .-.
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I don't really see your point about the clan halls Warren, considering it's just the clan halls, not the village board, so kind of a moot point. Also for scrying, you assume everyone has access to vast amounts of gold. Now I know how easy it is to attain gold, at a certain point. But gold for some players is harder to get. This becomes an issue since every five or so post, the gypsy charges you again. Making any longer rp problematic. You could travel I suppose, but god forbid you wanted to level that day, since travel points go by fairly quickly.
I also imagine it wound't be that much of a hassle, considering it use to be in the system and I'd wager either Neji still has the code that would make Otogakure a village, or could easily change the module of a current village and make an Otogakure one. Becomes even easier when you take away shops as Ace suggested.
You say there are no benefits?
1. Could rp easier in Otogakure as it could be my birth village (This applies to people outside the clan as well. I know when I wanted to rp in Kiri or Suna for a big rp, I'd change my village race to make it easier)
2. Anyone that stays around Otogakure can now level without traveling
3. Gypsy tent doesn't have to be used as often
4. More options to choose from (More is better) If I could have Neji create other small villages I would, but picking and choosing my fights >.>
5. Improves chances of donations. Typically when a site owner helps those who log in with their request, they tend to return the favor. At least I intend to.
I can see why you think it's pointless, but to make an entire counter argument to a topic 2+ years in the making when a moderator just gave us a glimmer of hope is pretty evil man xD Little joke there just in case that didn't translate over. But as Ace pointed to, lets let Oliver decide if it's worth his time.
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Came out of forum-hiding to extend my support for this idea. Trev makes good points, and I personally know that my bio is how people on SL see me, so I'd like for it to be as perfect as I imagine. Having an inaccurate image between my name and picture feels... sad.
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As of right now to travel to Otogakure it costs 5 travel points regardless of what village you are in. While Jiseigakure travel costs scales to where you are so... If Jiseigakure is to become the safe zone, to balance it you will need to make the travel cost to there all equal from all villages and scale traveling to Otogakure differently.
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#BringOtoBack
No seriously though, the entire removal of Oto as a serious village was a complete curve ball when that update was implemented a while back. Ninja Central becoming Jise turned it deader than ever too D: I say we put Oto back as it was and make Jisegakure Uzushiogakure! :) ;) ;-) ;-{o
Wouldn't be bad to just add Oto to the already set list and we don't need a buff, we just want to know our race is not extinct, because we aren't. Just because Oto isn't a real village canon doesn't matter. We RP a completely different world, where we MAKE our own history, meaning Otogakure could very well be an actual village and was never run by Orochimaru. Thats why Orochimaru is this ultimate boss that we must defeat because his schemes have strayed far from Otogakure and he has plotted to rain doom onto Shinobi Legends like Kaguya did to the Naruto Series. This is all unique for a reason, no one wants to re-create a story already told! Whats the fun in that? As apart of the Oto-crew I vouch to get it back as a village of birth!
SL isn't the Naruto series, we can have our own customs! Its all good, mane.
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People may not know a poll was added to this topic...I didn't notice until today. So now 2 people have voted.
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Voted. Please bring it back.
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Can you explain in detail what benefit it will really do to the game now? =)
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Other than making the people who have characters from Otogakure happy?
I think that those points were already covered.
1] You can forest fight and rp in the same place without having to scry over and over, that only lasts so long and must be paid for after a certain amount of time, or use up a bunch of travel points moving to a fighting forest and then back again for rp. With this convenience reestablished for Otogakure, activity there would probably increase.
2] You can still retain the village of your birth without having to turn your character into a sitter account.
3] Buffs could be added for choosing Otogakure as a birth village if you are looking for a measurable benefit for doing so. True the base stats are already allotted to the current 5 villages. Most DnD games have 6 stats, though no doubt that would create a major hassle in coding to add in. SO I don't know. Maybe a buff to speed, though in my mind that makes more sense for Kumogakure. Or a buff to your companion. I don't really see that a buff is required.
4] If Otogakure were enabled as a village of birth, this would attract new players, or new alts of existing members, to choose that option thereby increasing the likelihood of more rp activity in the village. AS it is now, there is no incentive to even visit there. It creates isolation rather than incorporating that population of the community to the overall interactions on the site. Otogakure is dying. I believe it is a shame to just permit that to occur considering the long history of activity that village has inspired over the years.
My main desire, other than the functional ease mentioned between leveling while rping, is sentiment. On SL it was a main village and I created characters based on that history. There is nothing now to indicate on my SL bio that is the case unless I use my limited text space, which could be used for other details, to make that notation myself.
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Added diversity to available races. You see online games such a Wow add new races all the time. Why not SL? :)
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Diversity. Add Amegakure while we're at it.
SL should be a place where we embrace diversity!
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When wasn't making players happy enough persuasion? ;--;
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Can you explain in detail what benefit it will really do to the game now? =)
Make people happy? As someone who joined a while ago, i would like to get my old profile rolling instead of just sitting on it since my account is now officially considered rare. Plus even the poll (even though there is only 11 votes in it) shows its wanted. Usually it would be spread even or there would be some faulting but EVERY SINGLE VOTE, is in YES.
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make that 12!
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Is very sure that 1 no vote is a typo :smt026.
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Reads like this is a pretty one sided thread. I'm with Warren, let's get the other side of the table fleshed out a little bit more, based off of Neji's response:
Can you explain in detail what benefit it will really do to the game now? =)
If we are going to separate roleplay and the in-game as far as "game" goes, then I at least have got nothing positive to put forward aside from donations from grateful people (take your potion with that one). Adding yet another race, another village of birth, it honestly won't change the in-game dynamics much for the better if at all. The scrying and all that are largely for RP reasons.
From what I've seen, most of the active players who actually post stuff, in public or even in private, tend to participate in some sort of RP. The only reason that many want Oto back as a village of birth is aesthetics. There are several reasons why I strongly believe it is a matter of aesthetics:
- You can visit the village. From anywhere for a set amount of travels. If you have issues going there, doing some RP, and levelling, then all I have to say is, prioritize your precious travels.
- You currently cannot get PvP'ed in Oto, so staying in the fields aint that bad. Not like dwellings costs have ever really been something affiliated with race (I don't think natives get a discount. No out of state costs).
- We have a function at the bottom now that tells you when posts are made in major villages. You don't have to waste money scrying or waste travels traveling when you can tell when there is an update of some sort on the thread you want to check.
- As stated earlier, much of the activity is RP-based at this point from what I've seen; as a result, the in-game perks (which would likely have to either be borrowed from another race or re-invented at this point) are hardly worth the time either. There is little to no strategic advantage to being Sound at this point.
It is a matter of prestige, a matter of reminiscence from a peoples who no longer have their symbol printed in their bio. Ame doesn't have a public village board, but it seems to be doing fine. Ame doesn't have a race attached to it in-game, and it doesn't seem to be hurting too badly. I use Amegakure largely because I am not as confident some of the other non-village board villages are doing well enough to count for this point.
It's like colonial America. Give the people a taste of freedom, take it away, and the people want it back without the strings. Sound used to be a race in-game that still lurks about, that still exists in a very select circle. Once Sound no longer became a race, then either by coincidence or the new space opened up by other village boards (or the general decrease of people on SL period) Oto seemed to take a hit in the activity department.
Would returning the race bring back activity? I doubt it. If a lack of an in-game race really kept you from playing as a Sound ninja (or playing at all for that matter), then, well, I don't even know what to say to that. Because that sounds completely ridiculous, considering that not even missing ninjas can get a race or place of their own (that you don't have to get disfigured for) and they have been one of the most frequent non-fodder character types in the series, and that other "minor" nations have never had a race to call their own.
In short, except for people giving more donations to show appreciation, there is not much of a motivation for you to add Sound back in as a race the way I see it. Especially considering why the villages are the way they are now:
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,6859.0.html
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*pushes Eric onto the ground* Nah.
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*pushes Eric onto the ground* Nah. x2
It was a village of birth in the past and it shouldn't have been removed, simple as that. Us stubborn Oto folk will continue to use such a defense because it was rudely taken from us, despite how Otogakure has become apart from the canon. The entrie SL universe is far different from canon Naruto and you shouldn't be comparing the two while also contrasting so heavily. The Akatsuki runs in Iwa, Oto was an actual village, Konoha's Yumei went through some sort of phase and ended up taking half of the village with him, yadda, yadda. We make our own HISTORY! in SL history Otogakure existed as a village and to take that aspect away from the in-game choice, only ruins the chance of Oto ever making a come back. I'm not saying it was booming with applicants and flourishing but there once was a large group of odd individuals whom called the sound their home and without that option, more and more new comers will overpass that and ultimately like Eric and the other's want; Oto will become dead. I really hate how people try to compare canon naruto with SL, when the two differ entirely. We have rules that would contradict with what is plausible in the series and everyone seems fine with that, but when Oto wants to be a village of birth AGAIN it becomes a problem? I don't get that. Despite any solid 'argument' against Oto becoming a village, the poll shows where the favor is. Besides I don't feel right having anything but the sound symbol on my character's page given thats who he is and always will be(Takeo) so yea, I'd love that back! If something happened in the series where Konoha got blown up and no longer existed afterwards, I bet all you leaf nin would be crying if Neji took that away, we are simply doing the same. Oto in SL existed as a village for years in RP and should still be!
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It was a village of birth in the past and it shouldn't have been removed, simple as that. Us stubborn Oto folk will continue to use such a defense because it was rudely taken from us, despite how Otogakure has become apart from the canon...
The poll and thread that I posted earlier originating from several years ago would like a word with this part of your statement. There was an overwhelming majority who wanted to see the changes happen, with barely any serious opposition to say nay to it. It had been made clear in the thread that Oto as a village of birth would get replaced as a part of the package, but folks were all for it. So don't go and say, "It shouldn't have been removed" or "it was rudely taken away", because for those who voted (some of which are now asking for it back) that little caveat was clearly not an issue at the time.
It was not rudely taken away from anyone.
*pushes Eric onto the ground* Nah. x2
...I'm not saying it was booming with applicants and flourishing but there once was a large group of odd individuals whom called the sound their home and without that option, more and more new comers will overpass that and ultimately like Eric and the other's want; Oto will become dead...
Would returning the race bring back activity? I doubt it. If a lack of an in-game race really kept you from playing as a Sound ninja (or playing at all for that matter), then, well, I don't even know what to say to that. Because that sounds completely ridiculous, considering that not even missing ninjas can get a race or place of their own (that you don't have to get disfigured for) and they have been one of the most frequent non-fodder character types in the series, and that other "minor" nations have never had a race to call their own.
Sounds like Oto needs to do a better job attracting newcomers, because as I've already pointed out, there are plenty of other places doing decently without having a in-born race to call their own. And don't start accusing folks of wanting Oto dead. Because one more dead village does none of us any favors in the big picture of things.
...If something happened in the series where Konoha got blown up and no longer existed afterwards, I bet all you leaf nin would be crying if Neji took that away, we are simply doing the same. Oto in SL existed as a village for years in RP and should still be!
Well, considering that I highly doubt Leaf ninja would vote away their own village of birth (or allow any update, no matter what else was in it, to do so), then I am pretty sure we wouldn't have a thing to cry about. Of course, if that were to happen, then we would still attract enough people to get by. You can't kill Konoha off by taking away our village of birth in-game, because where it really matters as far as roleplay is concerned, is where we put our stamp, both the good and the bad.
...Despite any solid 'argument' against Oto becoming a village, the poll shows where the favor is. Besides I don't feel right having anything but the sound symbol on my character's page given thats who he is and always will be(Takeo) so yea, I'd love that back...
*cough* Aesthetics *cough* Reminiscence *cough* I rest my case *cough*
I personally have no problem with seeing Otogakure once again become a village of birth, criminal evil and stuff, but you have to realize that it's ludicrous to call the move to replace it "unfair" or "unjust". We the players make plenty of things that contradict canon regarding RP; Neji does not generally dip into RP matters, and saw things differently.
Convince him that Oto is worth the effort of putting it back in as a place of birth and we can party at the end of the night in celebration. Seeing as he hasn't made a move on this, my guess is that he hasn't yet found the motivation or a good enough reason to bring it back.
Neji spoke for himself in that regard when he asked what benefit it would bring to the game now. Mostly, it'll make some folks happy, maybe happy to donate their life savings (I jest here)?
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The players want it back. Do ettttt.
Plox. <3
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Being devil's advocate here, but if they make it a birth village, then maybe people will request other villages be birth villages as well.
I guess this could kind of be fixed by allowing people to pick a birth village where they could enter the name of where they want to be from (maybe an option that can be used with donation points?).
If they decide to go this route, maybe they would have to forgo any village-related buffs but to make sure the game still works they could still pick what village to be 'born in' game-wise (it would still display whatever village they want). Or they could just keep the buffs associated with their 'birth village' but wouldn't have the village symbol in their bio, as it would just read 'Born in Otogakure(example)'.
That's just one option, I think. Basically solves people's problems of asking to be born in different villages that aren't part of the actual game while also solving the whole buff problem involved with it.
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Basically solves people's problems of asking to be born in different villages that aren't part of the actual game while also solving the whole buff problem involved with it.
Except Ototgakure was part of the game from the start.
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Except Ototgakure was part of the game from the start.
Well, change is good and Iwa and Kumo made themselves more known with the Allied Forces and Shinobi War in the series to kinda give them a big boost. I mean, there are still characters who have their race as Sound and still have the sound symbol as their icon, so obviously the code for that wasn't entirely thrown out. More variety the better, right? I'll take back the 'rudely taken from us' simply since I wasn't really around during those times, but still, in this case there only seems to be 2 opposed as the others are more for it. >>; Just sayin...
So what if it wasn't a real village, the people of SL made it that way and would enjoy if it could stay that way. I'm not saying Oto is perfect, no, in actuality the RP there has died down a bit and morale as well. Maybe if we get this started, such will change and have people safeguarded into the thought they are sound shinobi. Could open up more Evil events for the sound forest or something? We already stated we don't care about the buffs, simply the race. Its not extinct yet!
It's not like Otogakure is some custom lower village trying to make it 'up there' just its always been around and favored by a select few from the site. Wouldn't hurt to give it back after so long. If not, at least we tried. >_>
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Wouldn't hurt to give it back after so long. If not, at least we tried. >_>
Tried? This topic will not die until it's brought back. >..>
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Wouldn't hurt to give it back after so long. If not, at least we tried. >_>
Tried? This topic will not die until it's brought back. >..>
Well I guess this topic is never going to end.
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Something I petitioned because I was frustrated, but:
One thing that kind of irritates me is that Kirigakure's ANBU is now evil because Otogakure was removed from the 'main villages'. I guess a pro for restoring Otogakure game-wise would be that it returns as a safe-haven for leveling should those who have an evil alignment wish to live there -- I mean, considering that ANBU usually appear more around level 1, it can really throw someone's game leveling off if they die (I die all the time, cause I'm most likely a noob). Kirigakure was once a good ANBU village, so I see that as a plus, in-game wise (Neji doesn't necessarily care about the RP concepts, so I figured I'd throw this out there). This is also assuming you make leveling possible there.
Truthfully though, I don't know if there's another village for evil people. The focus, I'm sure, revolves around in-game pros. So, assuming you guys could figure out more, might make it easier to come to a decision.
EDIT: Lol, I noticed I posted about this same issue years ago. >_>;
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The change was a couple of years ago, when the series indicated Otogakure being basically off-limits and could have only Oro-true folks in there.
Which means, nobody would accept travellers who were Sound nin.
We can revert it, but I'd have to lift any restrictions (like no pvp) from Otogakure, basically making a new/other village the current Otogakure.
I am not against it, I liked the idea of factions.
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The change was a couple of years ago, when the series indicated Otogakure being basically off-limits and could have only Oro-true folks in there.
Which means, nobody would accept travellers who were Sound nin.
We can revert it, but I'd have to lift any restrictions (like no pvp) from Otogakure, basically making a new/other village the current Otogakure.
I am not against it, I liked the idea of factions.
We all said to make Nin central the no pvp zone.
Makes sense since it's the neutral place of SL.
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The change was a couple of years ago, when the series indicated Otogakure being basically off-limits and could have only Oro-true folks in there.
Which means, nobody would accept travellers who were Sound nin.
We can revert it, but I'd have to lift any restrictions (like no pvp) from Otogakure, basically making a new/other village the current Otogakure.
I am not against it, I liked the idea of factions.
Ninja Central would make the most sense, but there is still Hoshigakure if you want to throw something in that direction. ;)
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Ame needs a village <3
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Ame needs a village <3
Then make a separate topic.
And Hoshi wouldn't be able to be the neutral village because it is only accessible after a certain number of Oro Kills. Jisegakure could be the neutral zone, but that would also make resting at the Inn there rather pointless. So, if Jise is made into the neutral zone, then the function at Ichikaru's should also be removed. And Jise would be a good option because it's reachable by everywhere...
Though for people who are sitters and PVP, it could pose a problem if all their targets start staying at Jise. So, maybe make PVP possible like it currently is with the inn? Where there's an off chance where you will fail a check and won't be able to PvP. I dunno, just a suggestion.
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Though for people who are sitters and PVP, it could pose a problem if all their targets start staying at Jise.
What if all their targets are already in Oto? xP
Sitters are made to kill any oro kill account. Unless everyone sleeps in Nin cen *they won't* then there will always be people to kill.
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What if all their targets are already in Oto? xP
Sitters are made to kill any oro kill account. Unless everyone sleeps in Nin cen *they won't* then there will always be people to kill.
I understand that. I just wanted to list a potential negative to it. Even though technically it's not really a negative since it's already applied to Oto.
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Ame needs a village <3
Then make a separate topic.
And Hoshi wouldn't be able to be the neutral village because it is only accessible after a certain number of Oro Kills...
Originally, the safezone in Iwa was not available until a map was purchased at a certain number of Oro kills. When that safezone was transferred to Otogakure, that stiuplation was removed and folks got used to the easy access. But it hasn't always been that way.
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I thought that unless you pvp'd someone, even one time, then you were off limits no matter where you slept. Did that change?
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I thought that unless you pvp'd someone, even one time, then you were off limits no matter where you slept. Did that change?
Fairly certain that there is a certain level where you actually can be PvP'd. I know for sure that you're eligible after knocking Oro at least once, but I think it's sooner than that.
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Players under 1k exp or 4k or under level 10 cannot be pvp'ed or account is like 5 days old? After that they have to.
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I think the best bet would be ninja central, since its a middle area, it makes sense that it would be "neutral ground" or a safe zone.