Shinobi Legends Forum
Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: UettoSenju on December 13, 2012, 09:26:36 PM
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Sense it seems everyone is throwing out ideas on rules lately I figured I might as well go ahead and do the same. Of course the idea a bring forth only effects the villages themselves and only those who rp the whole 'Village based RP' idea.
Anyways, I would just like to point out that I think that the villages have OP Barriers. I mean should we not be inspiring more rp and that usually streams from village attacks so why not encourage more of the sort.
I think any barrier that acts as an auto-hit or chakra manipulation should be off limits. For example the Chakra Eating Mist of Kiri, the Iwagakure Barrier that automatically places a seal on anyone who enters, the Power Release Barrier of Konoha, the Preta Barrier of Konoha, ect.
I think it should be limited to a sensory barriers and Canon Barriers such as the one Bocc uses, and the Chakra Chains Barrier I use. It should be a general rule of thumb you can't enter anther village via space/time ninjutsu, with the exception of being summoned.
Anyways I think you all get the idea. Let the villages be protected by those who say they are the protectors of the village, plus this makes infiltration and spying easier as well.
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Yeah, definitely. I agree whole-heatedly. It severely diminishes the desire to go into an opposing village when you're faced by a random auto-hit that targets foreign entities.
Should be restricted to sensory-based things only.
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Yeah, definitely. I agree whole-heatedly. It severely diminishes the desire to go into an opposing village when you're faced by a random auto-hit that targets foreign entities.
Should be restricted to sensory-based things only.
Only made mine due to the barrier arms race all the villages have going, if we want to make it a rule then that is fine.
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Sense it seems everyone is throwing out ideas on rules lately I figured I might as well go ahead and do the same. Of course the idea a bring forth only effects the villages themselves and only those who rp the whole 'Village based RP' idea.
Anyways, I would just like to point out that I think that the villages have OP Barriers. I mean should we not be inspiring more rp and that usually streams from village attacks so why not encourage more of the sort.
I think any barrier that acts as an auto-hit or chakra manipulation should be off limits. For example the Chakra Eating Mist of Kiri, the Iwagakure Barrier that automatically places a seal on anyone who enters, the Power Release Barrier of Konoha, the Preta Barrier of Konoha, ect.
I think it should be limited to a sensory barriers and Canon Barriers such as the one Bocc uses, and the Chakra Chains Barrier I use. It should be a general rule of thumb you can't enter anther village via space/time ninjutsu, with the exception of being summoned.
Anyways I think you all get the idea. Let the villages be protected by those who say they are the protectors of the village, plus this makes infiltration and spying easier as well.
This should've never been allowed to take place to begin with. This impacts roleplay extensively, so yes I agree with Sensory and Canon Barriers only.
This doesn't mean someone rushes and claims a canon barrier before another to say it's off limits...how does that plan to be prevented?
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Sense it seems everyone is throwing out ideas on rules lately I figured I might as well go ahead and do the same. Of course the idea a bring forth only effects the villages themselves and only those who rp the whole 'Village based RP' idea.
Anyways, I would just like to point out that I think that the villages have OP Barriers. I mean should we not be inspiring more rp and that usually streams from village attacks so why not encourage more of the sort.
I think any barrier that acts as an auto-hit or chakra manipulation should be off limits. For example the Chakra Eating Mist of Kiri, the Iwagakure Barrier that automatically places a seal on anyone who enters, the Power Release Barrier of Konoha, the Preta Barrier of Konoha, ect.
I think it should be limited to a sensory barriers and Canon Barriers such as the one Bocc uses, and the Chakra Chains Barrier I use. It should be a general rule of thumb you can't enter anther village via space/time ninjutsu, with the exception of being summoned.
Anyways I think you all get the idea. Let the villages be protected by those who say they are the protectors of the village, plus this makes infiltration and spying easier as well.
This should've never been allowed to take place to begin with. This impacts roleplay extensively, so yes I agree with Sensory and Canon Barriers only.
This doesn't mean someone rushes and claims a canon barrier before another to say it's off limits...how does that plan to be prevented?
Make custom barrier jutsu. I do it all the time.
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Sense it seems everyone is throwing out ideas on rules lately I figured I might as well go ahead and do the same. Of course the idea a bring forth only effects the villages themselves and only those who rp the whole 'Village based RP' idea.
Anyways, I would just like to point out that I think that the villages have OP Barriers. I mean should we not be inspiring more rp and that usually streams from village attacks so why not encourage more of the sort.
I think any barrier that acts as an auto-hit or chakra manipulation should be off limits. For example the Chakra Eating Mist of Kiri, the Iwagakure Barrier that automatically places a seal on anyone who enters, the Power Release Barrier of Konoha, the Preta Barrier of Konoha, ect.
I think it should be limited to a sensory barriers and Canon Barriers such as the one Bocc uses, and the Chakra Chains Barrier I use. It should be a general rule of thumb you can't enter anther village via space/time ninjutsu, with the exception of being summoned.
Anyways I think you all get the idea. Let the villages be protected by those who say they are the protectors of the village, plus this makes infiltration and spying easier as well.
This should've never been allowed to take place to begin with. This impacts roleplay extensively, so yes I agree with Sensory and Canon Barriers only.
This doesn't mean someone rushes and claims a canon barrier before another to say it's off limits...how does that plan to be prevented?
Make custom barrier jutsu. I do it all the time.
Custom Barriers is what got use where we are at. I say the villages be able to activate a barrier similar to the 36 layer Barrier. But not have it up all the time.
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Custom Barriers is what got use where we are at. I say the villages be able to activate a barrier similar to the 36 layer Barrier. But not have it up all the time.
That will still be considered barriers you started this thread to prevent.
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Custom Barriers is what got use where we are at. I say the villages be able to activate a barrier similar to the 36 layer Barrier. But not have it up all the time.
That will still be considered barriers you started this thread to prevent.
It is based on a Canon Barrier though, hell let everyone use the 36 Layer Barrier or one of a smaller scale like 12 layer Barrier of something. The thing I mainly made this for was the auto-hitting barriers and the ones that prevent/drain chakra usage. And I think Bocc has claim to the 36 Layer Barrier but really it shouldn't be that big of a deal for him to allow others to use it and if not then limit villages to nothing more then sensory barrier.
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Sensory only is what I would suggest.
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Sensory only is what I would suggest.
I was using the 36 layer to keep people out whilst I attack anyway. I only kept it up afterwards because I needed a break for a few days and didn't want people messing around.
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Sensory only is what I would suggest.
Works fine with me. I would like to see a few more people wag in on the idea though so that perhaps we can get it worked into game play soon.
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All we can do is wait for others input...
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I believe they were put into effect because certain players choose to pick on village and "destroy" them when players who could defend the village aren't online, or they take advantage of the fact that weaker players act as the response team and use that as means of legitimate RP so that they can destroy a village.
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I believe they were put into effect because certain players choose to pick on village and "destroy" them when players who could defend the village aren't online, or they take advantage of the fact that weaker players act as the response team and use that as means of legitimate RP so that they can destroy a village.
So people who want to attack a village should wait until everyone who could possibly defend it is online? That sounds like an awful idea if you intend to be successful in your attack. I think that since Konoha started the barrier arms race they should be fined one bijuu.
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I believe they were put into effect because certain players choose to pick on village and "destroy" them when players who could defend the village aren't online, or they take advantage of the fact that weaker players act as the response team and use that as means of legitimate RP so that they can destroy a village.
So people who want to attack a village should wait until everyone who could possibly defend it is online? That sounds like an awful idea if you intend to be successful in your attack. I think that since Konoha started the barrier arms race they should be fined one bijuu.
It just come down to conflicting results; let's say that I attack Konoha at 5am EST and only 4 chuunin respond because of the time of day, I kill them, and blow up the village. That's hardly fair to everyone else, and what happens to them? Are they dead?
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I believe they were put into effect because certain players choose to pick on village and "destroy" them when players who could defend the village aren't online, or they take advantage of the fact that weaker players act as the response team and use that as means of legitimate RP so that they can destroy a village.
So people who want to attack a village should wait until everyone who could possibly defend it is online? That sounds like an awful idea if you intend to be successful in your attack. I think that since Konoha started the barrier arms race they should be fined one bijuu.
It just come down to conflicting results; let's say that I attack Konoha at 5am EST and only 4 chuunin respond because of the time of day, I kill them, and blow up the village. That's hardly fair to everyone else, and what happens to them? Are they dead?
Nothing happens to anyone that wasn't in the rp, and as it has been pointed out to me many times, destroying the village does nothing, they just rp rebuilding it for a few days. All you accomplish is killing those four chuunin.
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There barriers aren't really necessary. Sure there is the possibility that not everyone will be online, but as mentioned in another topic, some villages (Including Otogakure) require you to send a message saying you're attacking. From there the kage and attacker can organize the rp event. It should usually be several days before the attack so the village can tell their members to be on at that time. The village however, still has to act like they did not know of the attack and can't use unfair meta gaming.
Example:
Bocc wants to attack Otogakure. He messages me and we plan it out and make a set date and time. I tell my members to be online (prior notice) This allows more defenders to be online for the attack and not four random chuunin. However, I may not do any unfair meta gaming like telling my members to all learn fuinjutsu to seal his zombies up, or anything else of the sort.
If this system is utilized, there is little need to have constant op barriers.
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Sure there will be a need, cause I'm sure the schedules of all the people in their respective clans are all written in both stone and the Kage's bingo book. ^_^
The OP barriers were put up becuase, honestly, prevention starts at diversion. If you don't wanna come attack, then you probably won't attack. Making sure there is a system to schedule things would make the OP barriers less needed. I wouldn't go as far as to say not needed at all. Disarment is such a hard thing to do even in SL terms...
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As a village all members should use sense in all things. It should be the job of the Kage and high ups to make their members aware of what to do and not do in an attack. If 4 low class ninja go to defend against 's' rank attackers then that is just stupidity on their own part. They should be smart enough to know to wait for others to join before taking full action.
There is not point in these barriers other then people wanting to hide behind them. Has SL gotten to the point we can't even handle proper attacks, and we therefor need these barriers to defend us instead? I recall a time when Kiri use to invade Konoha and everything went just smoothly cause both sides used sense.
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If there are proper attacks then sure, but I think at some point in our downward spiral the word proper has lost its meaning.
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If there are proper attacks then sure, but I think at some point in our downward spiral the word proper has lost its meaning.
^ This
And in the case of half the main villages, the lower rankees wouldn't even show up most likely. xD No offense to anyone below Chunin.
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I just say do away with these stupid barriers that hinder rp, in my thoughts.
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So could we get a verdict on whether or not we should drop all the barriers?
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Waiting for more input.
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Input. There, can we void the OP barriers now?
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Input. There, can we void the OP barriers now?
Seconded.
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Input. There, can we void the OP barriers now?
Seconded.
So we have my Hiraishin barrier going away, Konoha's Preta Path and Magnum Opus, I heard Kiri has some chakra eating mist. Kumo's weird chakra handicapping barrier, Suna doesn't have any, do they?
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Unless this thread's URL gets passed around through SL to attract more input from the players, I doubt the barriers will be gone anywhere until then.
Edit: Although they need too...
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Generalization: All fanon barriers are removed, yes?
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Generalization: All fanon barriers are removed, yes?
Believe so.
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As far as I know, the only ones with OP barriers just so happen to visit these forums... Not a coincidence I"m sure.
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Generalization: All fanon barriers are removed, yes?
Believe so.
Sounds good to me.
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Generalization: All fanon barriers are removed, yes?
Actually no. The barriers being up or down will be dependant on the current reigning kage. Saying "fanon" barriers being removed doesn't change the fact that there are OP canon barriers.
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Generalization: All fanon barriers are removed, yes?
Actually no. The barriers being up or down will be dependant on the current reigning kage. Saying "fanon" barriers being removed doesn't change the fact that there are OP canon barriers.
Not when they can all be bypassed by a Mangekyo user with Kamui there aren't.
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the village defense system is the responsibility of the Kage of that village to put into place and will have to be taken care of on a village to village basis.
again, making rules that other people HAVE to abide by is a bit high handed, guys.
And yes, Suna never put one up. We fight old school style when we fight at all.
so...if Iwa and Konoha wish to take their barriers down or adjust them to this sensing sort mentioned, then sure. go right on and do it. But don't expect Kiri and Kumo to jump on the band wagon and make that choice for them.
I like the old style defense systems best. Traps and the sort. But that is just me.
Actually Suna's defense is saying that they do not have to acknowledge my attacks if they do not feel like it. Since I am the only person who attacks villages and has the potential to inflict lasting damage this is of course the perfect defense. Obviously this harms my rp, since I am attempting to be a villian, but since I'm me, and not anyone else, this is allowed.
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the village defense system is the responsibility of the Kage of that village to put into place and will have to be taken care of on a village to village basis.
again, making rules that other people HAVE to abide by is a bit high handed, guys.
And yes, Suna never put one up. We fight old school style when we fight at all.
so...if Iwa and Konoha wish to take their barriers down or adjust them to this sensing sort mentioned, then sure. go right on and do it. But don't expect Kiri and Kumo to jump on the band wagon and make that choice for them.
I like the old style defense systems best. Traps and the sort. But that is just me.
I was not trying to govern anyone's rp or to tell anyone what to do all I said is that the barriers are OP on many levels and this topic was made for all the villages to discuss the said topic. If we could all agree to take them down I think that would be wonderful if not then in my opinion it is a shame as they really do hinder rp... villages are meant to be attacked this is a Shinobi World. I just don't understand why you wouldn't want your village to participate in an event like an attack. I am not saying I enjoy watching my village get attacked but the rp during such is quite enjoyable indeed and in the end we are here to rp.
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the village defense system is the responsibility of the Kage of that village to put into place and will have to be taken care of on a village to village basis.
again, making rules that other people HAVE to abide by is a bit high handed, guys.
And yes, Suna never put one up. We fight old school style when we fight at all.
so...if Iwa and Konoha wish to take their barriers down or adjust them to this sensing sort mentioned, then sure. go right on and do it. But don't expect Kiri and Kumo to jump on the band wagon and make that choice for them.
I like the old style defense systems best. Traps and the sort. But that is just me.
I was not trying to govern anyone's rp or to tell anyone what to do all I said is that the barriers are OP on many levels and this topic was made for all the villages to discuss the said topic. If we could all agree to take them down I think that would be wonderful if not then in my opinion it is a shame as they really do hinder rp... villages are meant to be attacked this is a Shinobi World. I just don't understand why you wouldn't want your village to participate in an event like an attack. I am not saying I enjoy watching my village get attacked but the rp during such is quite enjoyable indeed and in the end we are here to rp.
My decision stands. I'll lower the chakra affecting barrier (which i can raise at will anyway) But the detection barrier and one that prevents space time jutsu remains. Kumo law. If people want to attack none of Kumo's barriers or defenses should affect the rp of an attack so i see no reason to do away with them.
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Hm... This sounds familiar... Oh yeah.
That's why the OP barriers were put up in the first place! To keep dem pesky peoples away and funnel 'em to Suna, since they were/are too honorable to put up highly effective repellant barriers (jk).
Seriously though, I think Kay wrapped up why the barriers were originally put up. Considering how many villains there are in SL who wanna attack villages, I'd say the misery of Suna was not for nothing. Nice job taking some for the team. :P
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I attacked Suna probably 8-10 times since I've been rping here for several years >> and as you wanted me to do the last time I was going to attack I messaged to schedule it with Raijin, for when you guys would be free to do it, you had some festival you wanted to do so I said fine, it can be later. This is on every village wiki page.
"If you role-play within the village, you are subjected to the posts of others attempting to interact with you. If their post is fair and fit, and you fail to 'protect' yourself, or 'evade' the other player's attempt by your next post, they have the opportunity to legitimately auto-hit you, just like in the zone fights."
That certainly seems to me that if I make a legitimate post interacting with the village than it should have to respond. If you think I am attacking too much then we could make a rule for it, I can only attack once every 2 months or something. This though
"And Bocc...that your RP is inhibited is your own fault. Suna decided not to RP with you because of your repeated actions"
Ok, so you won't let me attack because I kept attacking? All of the order of the black rose stuff was before my time, I have no idea what went on then. If you want to limit the times I can attack that is fine, but you are starting to mess with other people in an effort to spite me. I came to Oto to rp with trev and said so and you voided your rp with him, wasting hours of his time.
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Kay I am fully aware of the war era of Suna and why the gate rules were established. Hell you should know that I upheld those rules in Konoha probably more then any other Leaf Shinobi ever has. I am the one who single handily defended my village from attack so often in the past when there were no comrades around willing to lend a hand.
I just find the barriers not that appealing and one should always have the right to ignore rp to an extent like many are doing towards Bocc these days.... no offence Bocc that is just a fact buddy.
In the end I guess it doesn't really matter if these barriers stick around or not as there will always be attacks to a degree. I suppose I perhaps dwell in the past to much when I was on every night doing what I swore to do over eight years ago. I just like the idea of defenders defending is all, not barriers that kill or trap in an instant.... simply no sport in it.
Like I said I didn't start this to tell anyone what to do but yet announce my opinion which is what these forums are far from my understanding, aside from the trolling. In the end I think this should be locked as it seems the topic has reached its peak.
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That's alright, I understand, the weak villages like Suna and Kiri are getting desperate, that's ok. I can always challenge for bijuu and thats all I really want to get at this point anyway.
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Oooo more insults, that really motivates people to RP with you
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Oooo more insults, that really motivates people to RP with you
Well at this point why bother?
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Oooo more insults, that really motivates people to RP with you
Well at this point why bother?
Hey, I offered you a chance to work with me on your little endeavors (Capture all the bijuus,World domination, etc) but that character controlling perk of yours if a little out of hand and the insults usually come with it.
If you just learn to play nice with others then maybe, just maybe...everything would've worked out differently.
It's a wonder that I haven't locked this but I haven't said my input as of yet...
My thought on barriers?
It's entirely up to the Kage if they want to enforce them or not, personally during my reign..I never used any sort of OP barriers to defend the village from invaders except the sensory-types, which I used to monitor those within the village's perimeters.
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Oooo more insults, that really motivates people to RP with you
Well at this point why bother?
Hey, I offered you a chance to work with me on your little endeavors (Capture all the bijuus,World domination, etc) but that character controlling perk of yours if a little out of hand and the insults usually come with it.
If you just learn to play nice with others then maybe, just maybe...everything would've worked out differently.
It's a wonder that I haven't locked this but I haven't said my input as of yet...
My thought on barriers?
It's entirely up to the Kage if they want to enforce them or not, personally during my reign..I never used any sort of OP barriers to defend the village from invaders except the sensory-types, which I used to monitor those within the village's perimeters.
Yes you offered to work with me, after the fight where you were black mailing me with a ban because I beat you, after your ridiculous attempt to break the Edo Tensei control that in short seemed to be that a zombie could use a genjutsu release on itself to break the control. Zenaku told me I had the NPC rights to your character after that debacle, but once you wanted it back you started trying to get me to let you rp as your zombie. For some reason I didn't trust you and declined. Shocker.
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It is not in my place to enforce a rule, but I do have rights to request it. Please stay on topic.
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It is not in my place to enforce a rule, but I do have rights to request it. Please stay on topic.
Thanks you for that. I'm getting quite tired of everything turning into a Bocc argument around here...
Anyways, I will just do my bidding in Konoha about trying to reduce our barriers some and perhaps others will follow... perhaps not.
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I'm just to popular for my own good. But yeah, everyone might as well take the barriers down, since I'm not allowed to attack villages anymore there really isn't much point to having them.
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My thought on barriers?
It's entirely up to the Kage if they want to enforce them or not, personally during my reign..I never used any sort of OP barriers to defend the village from invaders except the sensory-types, which I used to monitor those within the village's perimeters.
That underlined bit... During your reign, like 1st Hokage SLwise, Naruto was probably alot simplier and less... Powered than it is nowadays, which would explain why just a sensory type barrier would have sufficed. I mean, I'm sure outrageous stuff was claimed, but I'm sure canon-wise stuff wasn't as great in sheer force.
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My thought on barriers?
It's entirely up to the Kage if they want to enforce them or not, personally during my reign..I never used any sort of OP barriers to defend the village from invaders except the sensory-types, which I used to monitor those within the village's perimeters.
That underlined bit... During your reign, like 1st Hokage SLwise, Naruto was probably alot simplier and less... Powered than it is nowadays, which would explain why just a sensory type barrier would have sufficed. I mean, I'm sure outrageous stuff was claimed, but I'm sure canon-wise stuff wasn't as great in sheer force.
When was that again? Like 5 years ago? Did they have elemental affinities back then?
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My thought on barriers?
It's entirely up to the Kage if they want to enforce them or not, personally during my reign..I never used any sort of OP barriers to defend the village from invaders except the sensory-types, which I used to monitor those within the village's perimeters.
That underlined bit... During your reign, like 1st Hokage SLwise, Naruto was probably alot simplier and less... Powered than it is nowadays, which would explain why just a sensory type barrier would have sufficed. I mean, I'm sure outrageous stuff was claimed, but I'm sure canon-wise stuff wasn't as great in sheer force.
When was that again? Like 5 years ago? Did they have elemental affinities back then?
If you are gonna be a smart ass to everyone here then don't post on my topics anymore. Honestly it is a waste of my time to check in on this when I see someone posted just to read a stupid senseless remark.
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The point being driven, in one way or another, is that the need for the barriers has changed over the years. With the current population and powers available to SL, the OP barriers are kind of necessary to a degree to prevent one guy from completely going Pain style and wiping half the village structure in one grand repuslive force, or the always annoying space-time ninjutsu users (I know, guilty as a preacher right?) that warp out the second you get a force ready to deal with 'em.
Back in the day when yall grew up, like, even pre-'08 status, the only space-time ninjutsu was the summoning technique, and I don't hear too many people making grand escapes using that on SL unless their animal friend gives them a lift (guilty as a preacher, again). Nowadays, between hiraishin, the many migrations, and pure custom items (come on choir, I already said I was guilty, cut meh some slack) sometimes it might actually be better to just leave the barriers up, and go to the zones if we wanna fight. There is a town zone if you want an urban scene to run in.
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My thought on barriers?
It's entirely up to the Kage if they want to enforce them or not, personally during my reign..I never used any sort of OP barriers to defend the village from invaders except the sensory-types, which I used to monitor those within the village's perimeters.
That underlined bit... During your reign, like 1st Hokage SLwise, Naruto was probably alot simplier and less... Powered than it is nowadays, which would explain why just a sensory type barrier would have sufficed. I mean, I'm sure outrageous stuff was claimed, but I'm sure canon-wise stuff wasn't as great in sheer force.
When was that again? Like 5 years ago? Did they have elemental affinities back then?
Well they certainly had manners back then which I would advise you to cut that attitude or I'll teach you some manners, kiddo.
@Kirk and Eric;
Well the SL-verse proclaimed me as the Shodaime when I was really the Shichidaime but it really didn't matter since during those times of strife, I had manage to fair well against our enemies back then and before I passed it along to Seraphim, I was almost at the completion of capturing every Bijuu.
What I am really trying to say, is that if you really need the OP-barriers to keep out those with extraordinary powers then so be it, it is entirely up to the Kage of that villages on what they do with their security and well-being of their villagers.
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I would have to agree.
If the village is full of normally active nin, like Konoha, then reducing the barrier won't mean too much. But there are villages that do not have a sheer abundance of nin available 24/7... in a few causes, 1/7 a day. I mean - Iwagakure was destroyed, Zenaku wants to take a momentary break, Raijin is busy with who knows what, I haven't really paid attention to Otogakure. Rakudo and Yumei are the only true active kages on hand at the presentary moment.
Small villages like that... Or villages will present-issues around that, should be allowed to use the barriers they believe, and the other kages accept, for their village as they see fit. Especially when we have point-and-destroy moves like Peine's Super Push Of Doom, or the Tailed Beast Ball.
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... point-and-destroy moves like Peine's Super Push Of Doom, or the Tailed Beast Ball.
Lol... I totally like the way you put that. It reminds me of when Sasuke pointed at Itachi, and lightning rained from the heavens with roaring thunder. In hindsight, the look on his face was kinda classic.
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I'll just keep my supah barrier then.
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Reading this was painful. All that to arrive at the same point? ._.;
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Will say Bocc's barrier is the worst of them all, auto-hitting a Flying Thunder God Seal onto people >.>
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Reading this was painful. All that to arrive at the same point? ._.;
Welcome to the SL Forums, how may I direct you to the newest thread? :)
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If this is SL's forums, I can see why activity has gone down. :D
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Yes... Our numbers have been smitten by the scorn of time and real-world politics... But hey, enough of the blue, lock this topic or somethin', it's pretty much done.
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Will say Bocc's barrier is the worst of them all, auto-hitting a Flying Thunder God Seal onto people >.>
I know, it was supposed to be the most OP, that's the point.
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A call has come to close the thread. Uetto? I think that is up to you...
Indeed, close.