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Roleplay => All That Is Bijuu => Rules/Foundation => Topic started by: Gyu~ru~ru on April 28, 2017, 07:21:57 AM
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Let's start by making it clear that this topic will not be taking in votes to determine if a "1 Bijuu per player" limit should or shouldn't be enforced, but a discussion on the matter. So please
tell state your current view on the matter instead of bring up the thread where everyone simply voted "yes" or "no".
I believe that no player should be allowed to hold onto more than 1 Bijuu unless it is for a event which later redistribute them to new owners. Anyone who manages to monopolize something gets corrupted, whether they admit it or not. Is there any reason why a player should be allowed to hold onto multiple Bijuu? How does that situation benefits RP?
If anyone find themselves in possession of more than one Bijuu due to RP reasons, they should be urged to let go of one within a time frame of let's say 3 months tops.
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Let's start by making it clear that this topic will not be taking in votes to determine if a "1 Bijuu per player" limit should or shouldn't be enforced, but a discussion on the matter. So please tell state your current view on the matter instead of bring up the thread where everyone simply voted "yes" or "no".
I believe that no player should be allowed to hold onto more than 1 Bijuu unless it is for a event which later redistribute them to new owners. Anyone who manages to monopolize something gets corrupted, whether they admit it or not. Is there any reason why a player should be allowed to hold onto multiple Bijuu? How does that situation benefits RP?
If anyone find themselves in possession of more than one Bijuu due to RP reasons, they should be urged to let go of one within a time frame of let's say 3 months tops.
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Let's start by making it clear that this topic will not be taking in votes to determine if a "1 Bijuu per player" limit should or shouldn't be enforced, but a discussion on the matter. So please tell state your current view on the matter instead of bring up the thread where everyone simply voted "yes" or "no".
I believe that no player should be allowed to hold onto more than 1 Bijuu unless it is for a event which later redistribute them to new owners. Anyone who manages to monopolize something gets corrupted, whether they admit it or not. Is there any reason why a player should be allowed to hold onto multiple Bijuu? How does that situation benefits RP?
If anyone find themselves in possession of more than one Bijuu due to RP reasons, they should be urged to let go of one within a time frame of let's say 3 months tops.
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I know that I'm the most bias party here, but I don't see the point. The more Bijuu a person has, I.E me, then the more difficult it is to defend them all. You know, when people actually go around and challenge someone.
How many Bijuu someone wants should depend on how much of a hassle they are willing to deal with >> Simple as that. Instead of making a rule that says 'Nah, you can't collect', why not just go out and do something about it instead?
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Personally I would prefer a hard limit on how many tailed beasts one person could own at a time. It would help to diversify the potential kinds of battles we could read. I do feel excitement for the possibilities of such. At most, a summoner could bring out & control up to 4 tailed beasts & have their chakra completely exhausted by doing so with current rules. Three would take them down to 75%, etc.
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Personally I would prefer a hard limit on how many tailed beasts one person could own at a time. It would help to diversify the potential kinds of battles we could read. I do feel excitement for the possibilities of such. At most, a summoner could bring out & control up to 4 tailed beasts & have their chakra completely exhausted by doing so with current rules. Three would take them down to 75%, etc.
Why don't you take some beasts from me and give them out to people then?
I'm sorry but so far the topic consists of people who have never even challenged me and people who have directly lost bijuu because of me suggest that I should lose beasts I've fairly won and defended and that just smacks of being disingenuous.
If you want a bijuu at least try and win one before complaining the rules need to be changed so you can have one without fighting me for it.
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Let's start by making it clear that this topic will not be taking in votes to determine if a "1 Bijuu per player" limit should or shouldn't be enforced, but a discussion on the matter. So please tell state your current view on the matter instead of bring up the thread where everyone simply voted "yes" or "no".
I believe that no player should be allowed to hold onto more than 1 Bijuu unless it is for a event which later redistribute them to new owners. Anyone who manages to monopolize something gets corrupted, whether they admit it or not. Is there any reason why a player should be allowed to hold onto multiple Bijuu? How does that situation benefits RP?
If anyone find themselves in possession of more than one Bijuu due to RP reasons, they should be urged to let go of one within a time frame of let's say 3 months tops.
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Let's start by making it clear that this topic will not be taking in votes to determine if a "1 Bijuu per player" limit should or shouldn't be enforced, but a discussion on the matter. So please tell state your current view on the matter instead of bring up the thread where everyone simply voted "yes" or "no".
I believe that no player should be allowed to hold onto more than 1 Bijuu unless it is for a event which later redistribute them to new owners. Anyone who manages to monopolize something gets corrupted, whether they admit it or not. Is there any reason why a player should be allowed to hold onto multiple Bijuu? How does that situation benefits RP?
If anyone find themselves in possession of more than one Bijuu due to RP reasons, they should be urged to let go of one within a time frame of let's say 3 months tops.
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I know that I'm the most bias party here, but I don't see the point. The more Bijuu a person has, I.E me, then the more difficult it is to defend them all. You know, when people actually go around and challenge someone.
How many Bijuu someone wants should depend on how much of a hassle they are willing to deal with >> Simple as that. Instead of making a rule that says 'Nah, you can't collect', why not just go out and do something about it instead?
Because Biju should be used as tools to foster new and interesting roleplays, which is something that SL desperately needs.
We discussed that you were going to distribute the Biju to some of the "lower tier" roleplayers on the site to do just that. Those people can't "go out and do something about it" and likely have no interest when the only people who hold biju are the super competitive world-breaker types.
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Personally I would prefer a hard limit on how many tailed beasts one person could own at a time. It would help to diversify the potential kinds of battles we could read. I do feel excitement for the possibilities of such. At most, a summoner could bring out & control up to 4 tailed beasts & have their chakra completely exhausted by doing so with current rules. Three would take them down to 75%, etc.
Why don't you take some beasts from me and give them out to people then?
I'm sorry but so far the topic consists of people who have never even challenged me and people who have directly lost bijuu because of me suggest that I should lose beasts I've fairly won and defended and that just smacks of being disingenuous.
If you want a bijuu at least try and win one before complaining the rules need to be changed so you can have one without fighting me for it.
Using myself as an example: I personally haven't challenged you out of consideration, trying to give you a break since you're overworked in real life and so forth. You didn't seem all that open to my challenge/it wouldn't be fun to challenge you if we both couldn't have fun with the role-play etc etc plus our current role-play where Tomi's asking Athos about the whereabouts of certain tailed beasts. Wouldn't fit things if I personally went and challenged you right now/I wouldn't want to go back on my word, yada yada.
This is just my personal opinion, I've always felt there should be a hard limit regardless of who was going over it. It was suggested you might redistribute them yourself at some time in the future so I was willing to wait to suggest a hard limit myself after/if you did so.
If a rule was made where there was a hard limit while you were 'over the limit', why not just create an event yourself where Athos goes about finding candidates to distribute the excess tailed beasts/make it public? You've fairly won them, so you should get to decide who they go to. Perhaps have some fun with it while you're at it. Mind you, this is just my suggestion and personal opinion. I respect your right and reason to disagree with me, and hope it doesn't put a damper on our friendship.
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Personally I would prefer a hard limit on how many tailed beasts one person could own at a time. It would help to diversify the potential kinds of battles we could read. I do feel excitement for the possibilities of such. At most, a summoner could bring out & control up to 4 tailed beasts & have their chakra completely exhausted by doing so with current rules. Three would take them down to 75%, etc.
Why don't you take some beasts from me and give them out to people then?
I'm sorry but so far the topic consists of people who have never even challenged me and people who have directly lost bijuu because of me suggest that I should lose beasts I've fairly won and defended and that just smacks of being disingenuous.
If you want a bijuu at least try and win one before complaining the rules need to be changed so you can have one without fighting me for it.
Yes because if someone had challenged you, lost, then made this topic, you totally wouldn't be calling them a cry baby right now. You're going to be upset no matter how this topic is presented, so you might as well take a back seat and try to defend your case on why there shouldn't be a limit instead of insisting everything is a personal attack on you.
If you look at the tailed beast page right now, you're going to see 3 people holding all 11 different entities associated with tailed beasts. 8 of them belong to a single person. That person is currently only using the nine tails for anything that can be observed currently. Certainly we can assume he is trying to create the ten tails or something, but it's highly debatable on if the ten tails is even going to be an accepted mechanic in SL. One major village already voids beasts entirely, and I'm sure others will follow suit if they stay true to old habits. It's already been discussed that the Biju scene is losing steam, which I can guess is linked to how fights are currently handled, and how a single individual can monopolize the different beasts. If we remove the possibility of a person getting more than 1 or maybe 2 beasts, then maybe more people will be encouraged to join the fights again.
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Personally I would prefer a hard limit on how many tailed beasts one person could own at a time. It would help to diversify the potential kinds of battles we could read. I do feel excitement for the possibilities of such. At most, a summoner could bring out & control up to 4 tailed beasts & have their chakra completely exhausted by doing so with current rules. Three would take them down to 75%, etc.
Why don't you take some beasts from me and give them out to people then?
I'm sorry but so far the topic consists of people who have never even challenged me and people who have directly lost bijuu because of me suggest that I should lose beasts I've fairly won and defended and that just smacks of being disingenuous.
If you want a bijuu at least try and win one before complaining the rules need to be changed so you can have one without fighting me for it.
Yes because if someone had challenged you, lost, then made this topic, you totally wouldn't be calling them a cry baby right now. You're going to be upset no matter how this topic is presented, so you might as well take a back seat and try to defend your case on why there shouldn't be a limit instead of insisting everything is a personal attack on you.
If you look at the tailed beast page right now, you're going to see 3 people holding all 11 different entities associated with tailed beasts. 8 of them belong to a single person. That person is currently only using the nine tails for anything that can be observed currently. Certainly we can assume he is trying to create the ten tails or something, but it's highly debatable on if the ten tails is even going to be an accepted mechanic in SL. One major village already voids beasts entirely, and I'm sure others will follow suit if they stay true to old habits. It's already been discussed that the Biju scene is losing steam, which I can guess is linked to how fights are currently handled, and how a single individual can monopolize the different beasts. If we remove the possibility of a person getting more than 1 or maybe 2 beasts, then maybe more people will be encouraged to join the fights again.
In all fairness, Athos has already stated/admitted he can't make the 10 tails. No Rinnegan means no access to the coffin seal, etc etc. Just putting this out there in his defense to help clarify things.
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Personally I would prefer a hard limit on how many tailed beasts one person could own at a time. It would help to diversify the potential kinds of battles we could read. I do feel excitement for the possibilities of such. At most, a summoner could bring out & control up to 4 tailed beasts & have their chakra completely exhausted by doing so with current rules. Three would take them down to 75%, etc.
Why don't you take some beasts from me and give them out to people then?
I'm sorry but so far the topic consists of people who have never even challenged me and people who have directly lost bijuu because of me suggest that I should lose beasts I've fairly won and defended and that just smacks of being disingenuous.
If you want a bijuu at least try and win one before complaining the rules need to be changed so you can have one without fighting me for it.
Yes because if someone had challenged you, lost, then made this topic, you totally wouldn't be calling them a cry baby right now. You're going to be upset no matter how this topic is presented, so you might as well take a back seat and try to defend your case on why there shouldn't be a limit instead of insisting everything is a personal attack on you.
If you look at the tailed beast page right now, you're going to see 3 people holding all 11 different entities associated with tailed beasts. 8 of them belong to a single person. That person is currently only using the nine tails for anything that can be observed currently. Certainly we can assume he is trying to create the ten tails or something, but it's highly debatable on if the ten tails is even going to be an accepted mechanic in SL. One major village already voids beasts entirely, and I'm sure others will follow suit if they stay true to old habits. It's already been discussed that the Biju scene is losing steam, which I can guess is linked to how fights are currently handled, and how a single individual can monopolize the different beasts. If we remove the possibility of a person getting more than 1 or maybe 2 beasts, then maybe more people will be encouraged to join the fights again.
In all fairness, Athos has already stated/admitted he can't make the 10 tails. No Rinnegan means no access to the coffin seal, etc etc. Just putting this out there in his defense to help clarify things.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what he's trying to do. Gyu's question is a considerable one: How is him hoarding all the beasts benefiting RP? There is far more to be gained by diversifying the host list than there is not to.
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Personally I would prefer a hard limit on how many tailed beasts one person could own at a time. It would help to diversify the potential kinds of battles we could read. I do feel excitement for the possibilities of such. At most, a summoner could bring out & control up to 4 tailed beasts & have their chakra completely exhausted by doing so with current rules. Three would take them down to 75%, etc.
Why don't you take some beasts from me and give them out to people then?
I'm sorry but so far the topic consists of people who have never even challenged me and people who have directly lost bijuu because of me suggest that I should lose beasts I've fairly won and defended and that just smacks of being disingenuous.
If you want a bijuu at least try and win one before complaining the rules need to be changed so you can have one without fighting me for it.
Yes because if someone had challenged you, lost, then made this topic, you totally wouldn't be calling them a cry baby right now. You're going to be upset no matter how this topic is presented, so you might as well take a back seat and try to defend your case on why there shouldn't be a limit instead of insisting everything is a personal attack on you.
If you look at the tailed beast page right now, you're going to see 3 people holding all 11 different entities associated with tailed beasts. 8 of them belong to a single person. That person is currently only using the nine tails for anything that can be observed currently. Certainly we can assume he is trying to create the ten tails or something, but it's highly debatable on if the ten tails is even going to be an accepted mechanic in SL. One major village already voids beasts entirely, and I'm sure others will follow suit if they stay true to old habits. It's already been discussed that the Biju scene is losing steam, which I can guess is linked to how fights are currently handled, and how a single individual can monopolize the different beasts. If we remove the possibility of a person getting more than 1 or maybe 2 beasts, then maybe more people will be encouraged to join the fights again.
In all fairness, Athos has already stated/admitted he can't make the 10 tails. No Rinnegan means no access to the coffin seal, etc etc. Just putting this out there in his defense to help clarify things.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what he's trying to do. Gyu's question is a considerable one: How is him hoarding all the beasts benefiting RP? There is far more to be gained by diversifying the host list than there is not to.
(http://i65.tinypic.com/2myso49.jpg) True enough, like I pointed out. With current rules you can't possibly summon and control more than 4 at one time. Reasonably speaking, two would be the limit as you'd still have half chakra to work with and your other techniques still count against the drain in practice. Not to mention the hard action limit per turn being 3.
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Let's start by making it clear that this topic will not be taking in votes to determine if a "1 Bijuu per player" limit should or shouldn't be enforced, but a discussion on the matter. So please tell state your current view on the matter instead of bring up the thread where everyone simply voted "yes" or "no".
I believe that no player should be allowed to hold onto more than 1 Bijuu unless it is for a event which later redistribute them to new owners. Anyone who manages to monopolize something gets corrupted, whether they admit it or not. Is there any reason why a player should be allowed to hold onto multiple Bijuu? How does that situation benefits RP?
If anyone find themselves in possession of more than one Bijuu due to RP reasons, they should be urged to let go of one within a time frame of let's say 3 months tops.
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I know that I'm the most bias party here, but I don't see the point. The more Bijuu a person has, I.E me, then the more difficult it is to defend them all. You know, when people actually go around and challenge someone.
How many Bijuu someone wants should depend on how much of a hassle they are willing to deal with >> Simple as that. Instead of making a rule that says 'Nah, you can't collect', why not just go out and do something about it instead?
Because Biju should be used as tools to foster new and interesting roleplays, which is something that SL desperately needs.
We discussed that you were going to distribute the Biju to some of the "lower tier" roleplayers on the site to do just that. Those people can't "go out and do something about it" and likely have no interest when the only people who hold biju are the super competitive world-breaker types.
Yeah but those are not the people who are complaining right now. Gyu and Tomi were some of the most notoriously OP characters back in the day, Rusaku was just recently insisting his Tenseigan should not only be twice as strong as the buff Sage Mode gives you but with that and it's additional powers it was less powerful then Sage Mode. You, Vail, with your ability to make robots, cyborgs, nano-machines and whatever else via the Asura Path in addition to the fact that you're probably the most academically intelligent person I've met on the site let you fight Bocchiere to a draw at his most powerful.
Well, truth be told, I was going to be honest. I don't really care about capturing the rest of the Bijuu, it is to the point that I've gotten my point across to everyone. I was serious, am serious, about trying to make the Bijuu mean something.
I was also going to confess that, without saying what it is, that I have a list of hosts, a list that TIm has seen(and I'm pretty sure Tobi has, too). But even with me planning to hand out the Bijuu, putting a total limit on the amount of Bijuu is pointless.
Not only does it take away that bit of realism we look for in our fights/IC, but it isn't like anyone has the reason to do it. Everyone has been assuming that I've been collecting the beasts for selfish reasons and this isn't where I plan on denying that, but that isn't the only reason. From the beginning, people close to me have known what the long term goal for all this is, even if I look like... Well, an asshole bitch, in the process.
But I have faith that with the IC rules, and with the redistribution, we can actually make Bijuu mean something again >> Whether you believe me or not is entirely up to you but that's the truth. I haven't had a lot of time lately but it seems I need to put more effort in, because that'll be the only way something gets done. If we stick to it.
In the end I don't think there needs to be a hard limit on beasts you can have but if, after redistribution, people still feel the need to do it then I wouldn't be against it as long as you're allowed 2-3 beasts.
@Rusaku: You are the most transparent man alive.
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This is from Ryujin/Copyninja also known as Logan. He had an interest in this topic but still has yet to get his forum application approved.
So, on behalf of all my experience on nearly a dozen RP sites, both Forum based and LOTGD based, my opinion would be that there isn't a 'hard cap' set, but more of a moral limit. How I saw many of the high tier players run with multiple beasts was that the strain of all of them being in their control caused the character to have psychosis occur. That being said though, it could be similar to what I myself did while 'hoarding' the beasts on a few of those servers. I gathered all of the beasts and the day after the final RP occurred, I called for a Kage Summit, and gave each country several beasts, and enforced that they not subject their enemies to a war using the beasts for X amount of months. If that were to occur on SL, you could have the Kages house the beasts within the village, and safeguard them for two months before it is sealed into a host, allowing 'newbies' the ability to interact with the beast, and maybe set them on a path to someday fight and attain one of them. In doing that, it could create an influx of RPers striving to show how they measure up, which would push the current 'OP' players to a new summit and the option to teach the next generation of players, or turn the place they once looked forward to being, in turn, becoming stagnant and slowly die off due to inactivity.
Granted so far, if it seems like a ramble, I don't mean to do so, the days of little rest due to work or helping friends with several games has caused both my 'filter' and brain to become nearly burned out. In closing, I vote that we don't set a concrete rule, but more of a subtle hint to the population that if you strive to gather all the beasts, do so with people you enjoy being around, and see yourself even wanting to fight beside and protect, like how the Spartans protected their fellow soldiers. But the most important thing to take from SL, is to enjoy the community and enjoy the overall experience and veiled lessons in writing skills and even the movement of the human body, by acting out the physical movements of each post, seeing and feeling the strain it may put on the body to add to the realism of each fight.
P.S./ TLDR; I vote that we simply enforce the idea that we limit the player ratio to 1:1 and allow groups of individual players, not alternates, to gather them, much like Akatsuki did, but also ensure they don't simply overwhelm combatants vying to attain the beasts.
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One whole village voids the beasts? People stopped wanting to do beast stuff before the current guys had all the power. What drove them off? The dogs kicked down want to stop getting kicked, but wanna do all the kicking when they get back up. What about the trade thing as a place for fight rp to start back up? What about sportsmanship in official fights, that whole thing gonna make a comeback? What about the ic rules, are they good for a vote now, or is condition to limit biju monopolies first?
I say a limit of 3-4, just cause there might be empty spots for beasts if we only let 1 for 1.
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CoreShikaru aka Core's Opinion for similar reasons
I'm all for enforcing this rule. Not just because the whole one guy has all of em thing is OP as absolute hell, but because I know how it feels to be pretty let down. Here's an example of why this should be enforced. Go back to the days of yore, when you were just a wee little fanboy of Naruto, joining your first RP site, now imagine this...imagine that you joined the site with the plan of being an "official" jinchuuriki just like your boy Naruto, you want to make it publicly known that you are the Jinchuuriki of # Tails and try to do some RPs around that concept. The first few go well with really nobody questioning it (as they're all pretty much new people) until you decide to do your first official zone rp. You built your character up in pms completely around the fact you are a jinchuuriki, backstory and all...but you chose a poor opponent, someone who's been on the site longer and uses the wikia to base all their info on. They'd be well aware that someone else holds that # Tailed beast and is quite anal about following the self imposed rules of the site. So you and they are now doing your zone rp and you're well into it until the fact of your tailed beast comes up. Everything stops, halts completely and you're told that you cant do that. You can't do the one gimmick your entire character is based around and built up to be. You'd be devastated, your entire time of having fun and doing rps with new people has now been crushed by the "official" fact that ONE GUY has every Tailed Beast in his possession, preventing you from doing basically anything. Your entire time on the game has basically become invalid. You'd never wanna play again! You'd be so salty, angry that this ONE GUY isn't willing to give up the Tailed Beast you want and as it would stand you'd be too weak to even attempt to fight him for it! I'm still salty about it from when it happened to me when I just got started here.
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One person being able to have more than one biju promotes the jinchurikii competing with each other; if you can only have one beast and you have the one you want, what is the point to fighting other jinchurikii and such? At least a little bit of competition, 2-3, is not too much to ask for.
Additionally, what extra do the beasts provide by default anyways? You can RP training with them and such, but competing over them in RP or otherwise is really all they're good for. Companionships, sure, but I can argue that my near character-long companion Rita is better than having a tailed beast that hates me, or is restricted to the confines of my body.
And even if one guy didn't have all the beasts, that player in CoreShikaru's statement would still be fresh out of luck becuase almost all of the beasts would be help by someone. Even if they weren't, you can't just up and claim yourself a jinchurikii nowadays anyways. This would not alleviate that problem like getting rid of the biju would. Oh wait, that would kind of mean that player's still out of luck.
It really is tough being around here. At least that player has Kirigakure.
I feel that there should be no limit at all, but am not out of making the limit higher than 1 or 2.
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"You, Vail, with your ability to make robots, cyborgs, nano-machines and whatever else via the Asura Path in addition to the fact that you're probably the most academically intelligent person I've met on the site let you fight Bocchiere to a draw at his most powerful."
I'm not sure if that entire thing was meant as a complement, but the comment on my intelligence is greatly flattering, and appreciated. I still believe that you do intend to do right by the biju and attempt to make them mean something again, and you know that I'm willing to help you in that regard because I just want to see the roleplay on SL thrive.
Tomi, tell Logan that I'm interested in the kage summit idea he mentioned. We can talk about that more in PMs if he's interested.
I just think this all needs to start with us somehow removing the incentive of the super competitive players from just coming in and trashing the new kids on the block if (and hopefully when) we do distribute the biju to them. The IC rules will help with that, but those competitive types will need to stop being so tryhard about the tailed beasts (which honestly seems like a way to satiate their ego and desire to be "the best", because you can be plenty strong without biju - as I and numerous others have demonstrated).
I've been taking great care to modulate my interactions with other characters based on what I and the other person deem appropriate for the roleplay we're doing and how we want it to turn out. This not only gives us a chance to just have fun for a change, but for us to build each other up, especially if there is a gap in writing or strategic (on the combat side) skill between us.
We need to make roleplay on the site more about progression, fun, and character / worldbuilding instead of shitting on people with the new meta. If we can't do that, SL is never going to thrive like some of the other roleplay sites I've been on.
Roleplaygateway is the best example. That site has been around for as long as SL, maybe even longer, and it still has tons of traffic. Sure it's had its ups and downs over the years, but it's still going strong. We need that.
Annnnd enough of my bleeding heart speech. :P
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I'm kinda down for a limit but nothing over oppressed. Don't get me wrong having a single person control them all is kinda crappy. Look at it this way if one person has all the candy and shown that he is good enough to keep other people from taking said candy, then why challenge for the candy when you know you can't beat him for said candy. However, should the holder of all the candy give out the candy to a few others, people you think you could take the candy from, then give it a shot. I also believe people here are too scared to challenge others because everyone kinda has this bypassed god mode and what not.
If we're looking for stimulating Rp here its gonna be difficult because, even if we don't admit it, we are a prideful egotistical group of people. And it shows with what we claim whether it be the fastest, strongest, or whatever it is. We have our claims and we expect them to be abided by but not really abide by another thus creating a whole cycle of stuck rp's that never FU*kING finish. *Ahem* But I will also say the number of actual RPing people has dropped a bit and the number of those who are just fiends of the sexual kind have risen so that also makes actual rp hard when it comes to diversity.
TL;DR: The beasts are not the only problem its the RPers as well.
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As a player, I can relate to being told that something wasn't possible when attempting to be into the official realm of SL. Because, there is two sects, Official and Casual. The amount of Official RPers have declined significantly since I've started. With them, the amount of those capable of holding the Biju have declined, even more so with those from the Free-for-all dropping out as well. With the Biju being capable of being held by one person, something I've been talking about since Bocc began his collecting, the people lose confidence in attempting to go for it. That could mean two things. The first being, they don't want to put in the work to get stronger, bide their time and then go for a beast. Or, they want to complain about how things are so they can have a chance. Both aren't bad, just the main factors of the situation. Though this could be apart of any situation. Things could be voided real quick, so certain things we do has a 50/50 chance of actually sticking.
And honestly, I'm sure this whole distribution thing Athos wanted to do, could have happened already.... if I had lost my Biju sooner. Cause he did have the rest >.> #C**kBlocker
Vail/Tobi, Keito, Tomi, Rus/Ryoji, and some other people has what it takes to go and get a beasts, but it's back to square one. Tobi don't want one, otherwise he would have went and got it. Like Athos said, he's a smart cookie, smarter than a lot of us, especially the idiot Jay. But I got a beast, soo... :p
And it's not like the challenger can't ask for voidings in the fight, so there shouldn't be so many excuses about why they aren't challenging. I'm perhaps too patient when I'm waiting for things, otherwise I would've challenged Bocc for a beast a long time ago. Didn't stop me from Challenging Athos though... so, what's yall excuse again?
But if we do enforce this reduction of ownership, 2-3 should be the highest it goes. But you still have to actually go out and put yo name in that hat. Athos can be beaten. Ray can be beaten. Jay can be beaten. Anybody can be beaten, you just gotta know how. Try, before you come to the forum like so, at the very least. Try, there's no harm in trying, just make it OOC, duh. You can cut the corners afterwards. So if we make it IC hunting, then it's gonna be a problem in attempting to challenge for a beast.
That's my 2 cents in this whole thing.
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TL;DR: The beasts are not the only problem its the RPers as well.
I really agree with you, Ray. Personally, I've pretty much decided to stay away from the whole Bijuu scene besides the creation of the Mecha-Kurama to help protect Otogakure. But personally, I don't care if there's one owner for each one or one owner for all of them. I probably won't really interact seriously with either of them anyway :P But I do hope that the problem gets solved because listening to all of this stuff makes me want to stop playing sometimes lol
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Even if he actually did distribute the beasts, that does not stop anyone from up and deciding that they want to go collecting again for whatever reason, and taking them from those low class fighters. Why not just set a maximum limit of 1-3 that way there is still a market for collecting beasts, but still encouraging a more diverse host list. Even if every Biju participant got 3 things to claim, that would still put 4 names on the list which is better than the three we have now. I honestly think 2 should be the limit, so there will be 6 names on the list at all times if everyone collects the max that they can.
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As I stated in my 1st post, it's fine if the player holding multiple Bijuu is doing so with an event which redistribute those Bijuu in mind. But I believe that it should not be allowed to drag on indefinitely. As for challenging for a Bijuu, I prefer to finish any spar within 24 hours, or at least within the same week. Not everyone can hold their interest in a fight that drags on for weeks or even months. A busy player who possesses powers that rivals characters like Hishirama & Madara holding onto multiple Bijuu would kill any interest someone might have in trying to obtain a Bijuu from said character.
Rules can be made flexible. For example:
If you have one Bijuu, then there is no limit on how long you can hold onto it as long as you are active.
If you hold 2 Bijuu, then you can't keep both for more than 6 months, meaning you have to give one of them out within that time frame.
If you hold 3, then you can't keep them for more than 3 months.
If you hold 4, then you can't keep them for more than a month.
Naturally, giving out a Bijuu resets the time limit. Someone might abuse this by passing a Bijuu back & forth between themselves. If they are willing to put in the effort to RP the whole thing (with plot and sparring), then it's fine. But if they are simply passing it around by simply changing the name of who own this Bijuu now, then they should not be allowed to own more than 1 Bijuu at any given moment.
If you need to have all the Bijuu for an event, then a gamemaster should be involved, and the event should not take more than 3 months to be carried out with no strict time limit on when it should be concluded as long as it is not stalling.
The above are just examples that could make this situation better for everyone. Feel free to discuss on the time limit or make other suggestions.
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...Rules can be made flexible. For example:
If you have one Bijuu, then there is no limit on how long you can hold onto it as long as you are active.
If you hold 2 Bijuu, then you can't keep both for more than 6 months, meaning you have to give one of them out within that time frame.
If you hold 3, then you can't keep them for more than 3 months.
If you hold 4, then you can't keep them for more than a month.
Naturally, giving out a Bijuu resets the time limit. Someone might abuse this by passing a Bijuu back & forth between themselves. If they are willing to put in the effort to RP the whole thing (with plot and sparring), then it's fine. But if they are simply passing it around by simply changing the name of who own this Bijuu now, then they should not be allowed to own more than 1 Bijuu at any given moment...
I understand that that is an example, but that is really more of an incentive to only have 1 beast per player. A step ladder where anyone with more than x amount of biju has to hand them over encourages not going over the limit, because I at least am not going to work for something that I have to just hand over at the end of the x amount of time.
To bring my reply towards the proposed root though, biju holding has been seen as a status symbol for a long time, of being either the best zoner or RPer; it has often shifted from the latter to the former since their inception, long before there were any biju rules (the days of Zenaku contrasted with the days of mid-late Bocchiere for example). When the involved parties stopped being able to RP a biju hunt without issues, IC methods were just outright scrapped, making it all about the zoning ability.
Then the fights started becoming bothersome and, with both avenues being more trouble than their worth, people started dropping off of that ladder as the best zoners by any means necessary took the beasts.
So, if we want the biju to still be about the best RPer/zoner whatever, a symbol of skill in some area, then artificial limits need to be less restraining than 1 or 2 beasts a person in my opinion.
If, however, there is a desire to make the biju just about avoiding monopolies, then 1 for 1 will get the job done nicely. Personally, I can go either way on this swing, but my preference is that we find something to replace the biju if we make the biju less of a symbol of strength/skill/what have you. Maybe we can make the position of "kage" more important again, as miniature game masters? Or daimyou? Something.
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...Rules can be made flexible. For example:
If you have one Bijuu, then there is no limit on how long you can hold onto it as long as you are active.
If you hold 2 Bijuu, then you can't keep both for more than 6 months, meaning you have to give one of them out within that time frame.
If you hold 3, then you can't keep them for more than 3 months.
If you hold 4, then you can't keep them for more than a month.
Naturally, giving out a Bijuu resets the time limit. Someone might abuse this by passing a Bijuu back & forth between themselves. If they are willing to put in the effort to RP the whole thing (with plot and sparring), then it's fine. But if they are simply passing it around by simply changing the name of who own this Bijuu now, then they should not be allowed to own more than 1 Bijuu at any given moment...
I understand that that is an example, but that is really more of an incentive to only have 1 beast per player. A step ladder where anyone with more than x amount of biju has to hand them over encourages not going over the limit, because I at least am not going to work for something that I have to just hand over at the end of the x amount of time.
To bring my reply towards the proposed root though, biju holding has been seen as a status symbol for a long time, of being either the best zoner or RPer; it has often shifted from the latter to the former since their inception, long before there were any biju rules (the days of Zenaku contrasted with the days of mid-late Bocchiere for example). When the involved parties stopped being able to RP a biju hunt without issues, IC methods were just outright scrapped, making it all about the zoning ability.
Then the fights started becoming bothersome and, with both avenues being more trouble than their worth, people started dropping off of that ladder as the best zoners by any means necessary took the beasts.
So, if we want the biju to still be about the best RPer/zoner whatever, a symbol of skill in some area, then artificial limits need to be less restraining than 1 or 2 beasts a person in my opinion.
If, however, there is a desire to make the biju just about avoiding monopolies, then 1 for 1 will get the job done nicely. Personally, I can go either way on this swing, but my preference is that we find something to replace the biju if we make the biju less of a symbol of strength/skill/what have you. Maybe we can make the position of "kage" more important again, as miniature game masters? Or daimyou? Something.
Which is why I think the IC rules are the way to make the Bijuu start rolling again, a chance to stop making it about the 'zoning' skills and actually letting people go out and do something more interactive and fun. But again, sticking with being too honest for my own good, if I went around handing Bijuu back out without the IC Rules in place, or some type of limits in place, they we could essentially end up right back in square one.
Like I said, if we are going to go with a hard limit, I prefer something closer to three or four, then. But even if this rule goes into effect this second, it won't affect me or the state that the current beasts are at >> Just like it wouldn't apply to me if I was in match(assuming this rule had to actually do with something about fighting), this one won't apply until after I fall below whatever limit is set(assuming a limit is set).
As for Kage being GMs, I am not so sure about that. Out of the Kage that are even active/capable enough, we've already got them as GMs. Bec and Keito o.o I was gonna say Koji, too, but I can't remember if he is just wiki staff or also a GM >> But just give someone the power to be a GM because they are a Kage? I unno.
Plus, side note, I'm pretty sure I'm the only Daimyo ICly that isn't just some old feudal lord xD
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A Hard Limit of 3 would be the compromise option we could start out with. If the rule we're to be enacted, those currently over the limit would have a set time frame to redistribute the excess tailed beasts which they control. (This time limit would be enacted to prevent potential abuse of stalling or claims of stalling)
Current challenges involving a scenario where one of the options means someone is over the limit should be discussed here.
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http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8564.msg224061.html#msg224061
This is how I feel the bijū should be handled from now on.
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I don't see that as a bad idea, but I posted a few questions about the idea.
There will always be more players than Bijuu to share, so the idea of having a player simply getting some of the Bijuu's chakra like Kinkaku & Ginkaku, and learning their special Jutsu like how Gaara can still manipulate sand, is a good idea. Bijuu can keep their status as trophies without limiting others from gaining their powers and chakra to improve their RP. So even if Athos has 90% if the Bijuu (this number was given to me by Shadow =p), as long as he is willing to play the role of some kind of sage that teaches other Shinobi "the way of the tailed-beasts" or something, and invest enough of his time to do so, then I don't see any reason to complain. But if he is too busy to do so (we all have a life to live after all), then it would be most appreciated if he would take Terumi's idea into consideration and let go of a few, especially those which he isn't actively using in battles.
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I don't see that as a bad idea, but I posted a few questions about the idea.
There will always be more players than Bijuu to share, so the idea of having a player simply getting some of the Bijuu's chakra like Kinkaku & Ginkaku, and learning their special Jutsu like how Gaara can still manipulate sand, is a good idea. Bijuu can keep their status as trophies without limiting others from gaining their powers and chakra to improve their RP. So even if Athos has 90% if the Bijuu (this number was given to me by Shadow =p), as long as he is willing to play the role of some kind of sage that teaches other Shinobi "the way of the tailed-beasts" or something, and invest enough of his time to do so, then I don't see any reason to complain. But if he is too busy to do so (we all have a life to live after all), then it would be most appreciated if he would take Terumi's idea into consideration and let go of a few, especially those which he isn't actively using in battles.
A rule recently was made saying tailed beast chakra couldn't be split. So no Naruto/Sora type deals as of now.
I do have a question though, if Athos is out to redistribute the tailed beasts to worthy/active players then why the challenge made for the Zero Tails? After Iburi/Rusaku's match resolves, both individuals are clearly involved in Roleplay on a regular basis, & in my personal opinion seem to be quite decent at it.
It's questionable to try to take it from either of them, only to redistribute them months, if maybe a year later when Athos gets involved in Roleplay once more while it could already be involved in many interesting Roleplay sessions by either Iburi, Rusaku, or whoever wins it by that time. My character Tomi has personally experienced Iburi's usage of the zero tails in character & it was quite fun sparring against him as a host. I personally don't like the idea of it getting locked up for who knows how long.
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There will always be more players than Bijuu to share, so the idea of having a player simply getting some of the Bijuu's chakra like Kinkaku & Ginkaku
We don't need 20 or more pseudo jinks running around. It's bad enough with 10 of them, including the 0 tails. Allowing the splitting of their chakra is a terrible idea. Even in the slightest. If I remember correctly it was a resounding no from the community. 18 ban vs 1 no or something. It needs to stay that way.
and learning their special Jutsu like how Gaara can still manipulate sand, is a good idea. Bijuu can keep their status as trophies without limiting others from gaining their powers and chakra to improve their RP.
If a host masters a bijuu and then proceeds to lose it they will retain the traits that the beast granted them. I have Lava release from the Yonbi and Tomi has ink and so on. Only when mastered.
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*walks in with his life alert necklace use his cane to do so being the old vet he is*
I haven't noted a post from Kay or Kamui... this place isn't the same anymore......
Anyways, my opinion probably doesn't matter much cause I'm just a figure of the past at this point. I don't really care about Tailed Beast anymore nor plan to go after one or even evolve myself with them rp wise.
However, I am a member of the site and get a voice so I'll use it. This all being cause I'm just an old stubborn dick head who likes to pop in from time to time.
I have always been against tailed beast farming. To me it kills rp. I always base my opinion on what I think is best for rp. Not who I am friends with or like or hate or blah blah. I say that cause Uzu should know he is a close friend of mine and I'm not 'out to get him'.
Regardless, it has always been ideal to me to limit 1 beast to a host. But realistically speaking I'd go with 2 no more than 3 though. I don't understand why someone would want more than one to be honest.
Even though I formed the senju scroll to seal them all in tonturn the senju grand tree into a super power monster at SL before there was ever a thought of a 10 tails or tree in the manga. I never did it cause it didn't feel right. Just my thoughts though.
It is also weird that half the custom stuff I invented become cannon in the manga years later. I think Kishi used my creations to help construct his manga to bad I didn't have copy rights.
Also can it be confirmed now that I am the eldest still active rper at SL? Just wondering.
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Please pardon me for not knowing, as you all should already know, I haven't been around the forum for quite awhile and missed out on a lot of stuff. I see pseudo Jinchuuriki the same way I see players with EMS, Rinnegan or a combo of both, so I don't really see how having a few Kinkaku & Ginkaku running around can be any worst than seeing Pain & Madara everywhere.
But I am not going to make a thread to try and overturn the decision to not allow non-host to have Bijuu chakra. I'll respect that decision regardless of my own opinion.
I stick with the argument on my opening post, I see no benefit in letting a single player hold onto multiple Bijuu indefinitely, only how it takes Bijuu out of RP, and the danger of someone creating any army of zombie Jinchuuriki. Yes, no Jinchuuriki is going to bother challenging other host/summoner for their Bijuu, but this will not kill Bijuu RP because others are going to want to take that Bijuu away from its current host. Not to mention that Athos is probably not using every Bijuu that he is currently holding. And even if he is, they are probably nothing more than giant beasts that he summons onto the battlefield. Compare that kind of RP to having a player mature with his Bijuu and RP its personality.
Do you guys know how the 1st official list of Jinchuuriki was born? If you want a Bijuu, you post a short RP involving said tailed-beast. The person who does it the best was chosen as the official host. What have Athos done with the Bijuu lately?
If a time limit that gets shorter the more Bijuu you have is unacceptable, then I stand firmly on having a hard limit of 1 Bijuu per player.
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Please pardon me for not knowing, as you all should already know, I haven't been around the forum for quite awhile and missed out on a lot of stuff. I see pseudo Jinchuuriki the same way I see players with EMS, Rinnegan or a combo of both, so I don't really see how having a few Kinkaku & Ginkaku running around can be any worst than seeing Pain & Madara everywhere.
But I am not going to make a thread to try and overturn the decision to not allow non-host to have Bijuu chakra. I'll respect that decision regardless of my own opinion.
I stick with the argument on my opening post, I see no benefit in letting a single player hold onto multiple Bijuu indefinitely, only how it takes Bijuu out of RP, and the danger of someone creating any army of zombie Jinchuuriki. Yes, no Jinchuuriki is going to bother challenging other host/summoner for their Bijuu, but this will not kill Bijuu RP because others are going to want to take that Bijuu away from its current host. Not to mention that Athos is probably not using every Bijuu that he is currently holding. And even if he is, they are probably nothing more than giant beasts that he summons onto the battlefield. Compare that kind of RP to having a player mature with his Bijuu and RP its personality.
Do you guys know how the 1st official list of Jinchuuriki was born? If you want a Bijuu, you post a short RP involving said tailed-beast. The person who does it the best was chosen as the official host. What have Athos done with the Bijuu lately?
If a time limit that gets shorter the more Bijuu you have is unacceptable, then I stand firmly on having a hard limit of 1 Bijuu per player.
Soo... You're basically admitting you started this topic with me specifically in mind and not actually changing the rules? >> Didn't like looking at me from all the way down there, while I sit on my 'throne' made of collected Bijuu?
Actually, if you want to get technical, Gyu. You remember how the first bijuu list was actually made? .-. Raifudo got sick of everyone running around and claiming ten-twenty Nine Tails and then went around and cleared things up >_> How would I know? Because I had a friend who was one of those BS Nine Tails users, Naruto Uzumaki, and I remember when he said something about the Bijuu and was essentially told 'Nah, this is how it's working, screw you scrub.' That being said, maybe things happened differently at the very beginning but it was legit right back to hunting and killing people for their beasts.
Like, things weren't great with the beasts back then but what made it work was that not everyone was just Madara or Naruto with a bunch of OP shit. Back then, we were all, like, Jounin-level and having a Bijuu actually made a difference. Back before everyone had infinite chakra and could move faster than the speed of light. I've learned the hard way, from myself and Eric doing it all the time, that mentioning the old days does nothing but confuse people >_> Things worked differently back then because things WERE different back then.
So, bite me.
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*bites Athos, because he ran out of cookies*
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Please pardon me for not knowing, as you all should already know, I haven't been around the forum for quite awhile and missed out on a lot of stuff. I see pseudo Jinchuuriki the same way I see players with EMS, Rinnegan or a combo of both, so I don't really see how having a few Kinkaku & Ginkaku running around can be any worst than seeing Pain & Madara everywhere.
But I am not going to make a thread to try and overturn the decision to not allow non-host to have Bijuu chakra. I'll respect that decision regardless of my own opinion.
I stick with the argument on my opening post, I see no benefit in letting a single player hold onto multiple Bijuu indefinitely, only how it takes Bijuu out of RP, and the danger of someone creating any army of zombie Jinchuuriki. Yes, no Jinchuuriki is going to bother challenging other host/summoner for their Bijuu, but this will not kill Bijuu RP because others are going to want to take that Bijuu away from its current host. Not to mention that Athos is probably not using every Bijuu that he is currently holding. And even if he is, they are probably nothing more than giant beasts that he summons onto the battlefield. Compare that kind of RP to having a player mature with his Bijuu and RP its personality.
Do you guys know how the 1st official list of Jinchuuriki was born? If you want a Bijuu, you post a short RP involving said tailed-beast. The person who does it the best was chosen as the official host. What have Athos done with the Bijuu lately?
If a time limit that gets shorter the more Bijuu you have is unacceptable, then I stand firmly on having a hard limit of 1 Bijuu per player.
Soo... You're basically admitting you started this topic with me specifically in mind and not actually changing the rules? >> Didn't like looking at me from all the way down there, while I sit on my 'throne' made of collected Bijuu?
Actually, if you want to get technical, Gyu. You remember how the first bijuu list was actually made? .-. Raifudo got sick of everyone running around and claiming ten-twenty Nine Tails and then went around and cleared things up >_> How would I know? Because I had a friend who was one of those BS Nine Tails users, Naruto Uzumaki, and I remember when he said something about the Bijuu and was essentially told 'Nah, this is how it's working, screw you scrub.' That being said, maybe things happened differently at the very beginning but it was legit right back to hunting and killing people for their beasts.
Like, things weren't great with the beasts back then but what made it work was that not everyone was just Madara or Naruto with a bunch of OP shit. Back then, we were all, like, Jounin-level and having a Bijuu actually made a difference. Back before everyone had infinite chakra and could move faster than the speed of light. I've learned the hard way, from myself and Eric doing it all the time, that mentioning the old days does nothing but confuse people >_> Things worked differently back then because things WERE different back then.
So, bite me.
Things were better back then for sure. But I'll reframe from bringing up stories the pages of history themselves long forgot.
And to be fair Uzu I don't think one can speak on the issue at hand without referring to you in some fashion. I mean come on bro you are currently farming the beast aren't you?
You gotta look at it from the other way in as well man. Yes I am tailed beast farming so yes anything said here would apply to me and yes my name will be brought up because I am the one doing it.
Just because you happen to be the one doing it and people have opinions about it is no reason to get salty my friend. If anything you should be like yeah use me as an example because I am an example in this case.
You know if we started to look at these types of debates in that manner we would see a lot more progress at the site rp wise. Instead of this oh I'm get offended someone doesn't share my opinion bull crap.
You're acting like a true millinial bro. We can have a civil debate here.
It's like a court hearing man. You are the one being accused cause you are the one guilty of the issue at hand. I mean nothing can be done about it so just accept it and plead you innocence.
Back to the matter at hand. What benefits to rp come from one person having more than one tailed beast? Athos?, I'm calling you out here cause as a tailed beast famer you should have a pretty good answer to the question along with a better understanding of the benefits.
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Amusingly enough, I became the 8 tails host for a bit of time before blowing it up mainly due to SLS's formation. It may have been the first 'recorded' instance of a person actually destroying/dispersing a tailed beast. During my time as host though, Gyuki and I clashed a bit, even going so far as to nearly completely escaping Tomi's body, only to be kept in line by the Torii (Object Summoning) in which Tomi ended up using one of Gyuki's own ink bombs (fired at Tomi) to completely subjugate it via creating a more powerful version of the Divine Messenger Seal using the left over chakra ink Gyuki used as the medium. Being humbled in such a way is what brought the 8 tails to respect Tomi more and led up to the 4th Hokage's mastery of it.
Sadly that bit of RP kinda got lost with the original SLS going under.
Kinda makes me wonder how I'd fare with the original tailed beast 'list' creation via the method Gyururu mentioned.
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Soo... You're basically admitting you started this topic with me specifically in mind and not actually changing the rules? >> Didn't like looking at me from all the way down there, while I sit on my 'throne' made of collected Bijuu?
Not really, I can't really see you because you are too high up for me to notice ._. Just reading your Deadzone already scare me too much to even try to look up.
"Back then, we were all, like, Jounin-level and having a Bijuu actually made a difference. Back before everyone had infinite chakra and could move faster than the speed of light."
I'm like a old Yugioh player getting back into the game with my old school deck. I sat down, played a few games, and got my ass handed to me by synchro monsters, xyz monsters, and now pendulum monsters. This is what I have experienced since getting back into SL's RP.
So, bite me
I prefer to bite Kishimoto as it was he who turned Naruto into DBZ >_>
Also, my argument still stands, what are the benefits of letting a single player hold onto multiple Bijuu indefinitely? It takes Bijuu out of RP, and there is the dangers of someone creating any army of zombie Jinchuuriki. Can someone who is holding onto multiple Bijuu be better at roleplaying with them than someone who is dedicated to 1 Bijuu only? Since you happen to have most of the Bijuu in your possession, I think it is reasonable for me to ask if you are using the Bijuu as anything but giant beasts that you can summon onto the battlefield, and if you are even role-playing with them at all?
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Ooooh, ooooh, bite me Senpai~
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Not really, I can't really see you because you are too high up for me to notice ._. Just reading your Deadzone already scare me too much to even try to look up.
"Back then, we were all, like, Jounin-level and having a Bijuu actually made a difference. Back before everyone had infinite chakra and could move faster than the speed of light."
I'm like a old Yugioh player getting back into the game with my old school deck. I sat down, played a few games, and got my ass handed to me by synchro monsters, xyz monsters, and now pendulum monsters.
So, bite me
I prefer to bite Kishimoto as it was he who turned Naruto into DBZ >_>
Also, my argument still stands, what are the benefits of letting a single player hold onto multiple Bijuu indefinitely? It takes Bijuu out of RP, and the danger of someone creating any army of zombie Jinchuuriki. Can someone who is holding onto multiple Bijuu be better at roleplaying with them than someone who is dedicated to 1 Bijuu only? Since you happen to have most of the Bijuu in your possession, I think it is reasonable for me to ask if you are using the Bijuu as anything but giant beasts that you can summon onto the battlefield, and if you are even role-playing with them at all?
Oh don't get me started on seals and them being retarded and broken >_> I know someone I could throw on the chopping board *Doesn't look at Tim*
You think it's a problem I have them all? You want someone to use them for RP? Then come and get them ._. You have a problem with the way I'm using the things I worked to get? Then stop me. You want to have a long, drawn out RP with several people about the beasts? Bring it .-. I dunno if you were listening but I said why I collected the beasts, to hand them out to people who would do just that, RP and use them the right way. I never said it was for IC purposes and like Tim pointed out, I'm not even doing this for the Ten Tails. You keep asking what is taking me so long to hand them out and I told you, the IC rules because I think that WITH the redistribution is what will save the Bijuu. All of my cards are on the table, so I don't see what is confusing you. >_>
You don't want to be patient and wait, whatever, they are Bijuu. Challenge for them. But don't try and institute a rule because people could possibly farm, because MAYBE someone will hard onto them. Currently, there have been two people to hold onto the beasts after having multiple of them. That would be Bocchiere, who had them all right before me, and then me, who collected them all up right after. Before that, there was no problem about someone having multiple beasts and I'm sure if you just wait until I hand them out, there won't be a problem like that AFTER either. Zen collected the beasts and then handed them out, it was easy. But again, things were different back then, now people exploit rules and use loopholes. Now you need to make sure things are nice and tight, because what is given the Jincks a bad name over the last few years has been over rules and people not following them. Yujo and Kiri, for example, to take some of us back. Kiri and anybody, when it came to beasts for awhile.
If it is reasonable for you to ask that to me, then let me ask this to you; what the hell is the benefit of this rule? Before Bocchiere, and late game Bocchiere at that, no one has ever had more than two beasts, or even three beasts, for an indefinite amount of time. Right now, in our current time and place, the only benefit of this rule would be getting the beasts out of my hands without fighting me. That is literally the only thing that it would accomplish in the current moment. And even with that being the case, I haven't even said I am against it long term. But I also don't see the reason. If there is a problem with me, or anyone, having more than one, or two, or even three Bijuu, then do something about it. >__>
@Kirk
Refer to the above, older brother >>
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Athos almost be jelly of my seals <3 *doesn't look at Dre*
To be honest, if given my opinion I wouldn't of allowed anyone to gather up the tailed beasts like that, whether it be Bocchiere or Zenaku (personal opinion)
Gyururu has a point though, there isn't much actual benefit to having more than a few at a time. I can imagine collecting them all to redistribute to the people you want could be a motivation of itself, however how much time will that actually take? As it was suggested by others, it might be best to have a coallition of people try to take the tailed beasts, whether it be a village, clan, etc with multiple people claiming control of a few which they would seek to redistribute rather than one person who may or may not be too busy to role-play all that much holding all the cookies in the jar.
Maybe you need some henchmen Dre, to help ease the load for you. You'd still be within the 3 tailed beast limit while the other people helped to keep the in character role-play flowing when you can't in your master plan of redistribution.
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If it is reasonable for you to ask that to me, then let me ask this to you; what the hell is the benefit of this rule? Before Bocchiere, and late game Bocchiere at that, no one has ever had more than two beasts, or even three beasts, for an indefinite amount of time. Right now, in our current time and place, the only benefit of this rule would be getting the beasts out of my hands without fighting me. That is literally the only thing that it would accomplish in the current moment. And even with that being the case, I haven't even said I am against it long term. But I also don't see the reason. If there is a problem with me, or anyone, having more than one, or two, or even three Bijuu, then do something about it. >__>
What's the benefit of this rule, to prevent anyone from sitting on a pile of Bijuu and not even using them in RP for a long period of time, or monopolizing the Bijuu. This rule should have been put into place after Bocchiere took advantage of a loop hole in the rules, you can only be the host of 1 Bijuu at any given time, but you can capture as many Bijuu as you want as a summoner.
This rule was meant to target the fact that Bocchiere took advantage of a loop hole in the rules and fix that. You just happen to fall under it's effects because you are currently exploiting the same loop hole. The only thing I heard about your plan is that you have a list of new owners for the Bijuu and you are going to make Bijuu RP great again. When and how that's going to happen, I have no idea. But it wasn't my intention to ruin what you are trying to build. Discuss it with the community, get your plans going. If IC rules is the reason why you plans can't move forward, then ask the community to exempt you from this rule on Bijuu limit until that get settled and you can put your plans in motion.
Players who have challenged Athos for his Bijuu, please share your experiences. I think we will all understand why no one is doing anything about this through RP.
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So I think people didn't even look at what I said, aside from Bec. So I'm gonna put it a little easier to understand.
STOP BLAMING THE BEASTS AND THE ONE THAT HOLDS THEM. I for one agree with a limit enforcement. 3 sounds like the magic number here that keeps being brought up. The beasts themselves are just there to be honest. I'm kinda with Gyu on the point that, taking Athos for example (I can do examples for Jay and Myself), being the holder of something like the strongest shield(pretty valid to an extent), claiming to have more taijutsu power in a pinkey then Guy in 8th gate, and last but not least the stupidest fucking move yet deadzone in an arsenal makes people apprehensive. HOWEVER! You can always void things or nerf them. If you can't make compromises you shouldn't RP end of discussion.
The major problem here is everyone. SL is dying rapidly. There is no engaging RP anymore unless it's the same people over and over again. Nobody wants to work for the rewards. Just give me it is the mentality. Same reason why the village bijuu thing would fail. It's great on paper but in effect it's not gonna work. Everyone in certain villages will go around claiming special traits just by being linked to a village. It will be horrid.
Also. I don't plan on losing Hiru to anyone. Regardless who it is. I'm getting angrier the longer I stay on this site. Nobody deserves him.
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Another thread that has degraded into a shit throwing contest because Athos got pissed, lol. GG
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Another thread that has degraded into a shit throwing contest because Athos got pissed, lol. GG
I say we throw pizza instead, then give me said pizza.
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I apologize for the above tone in my post cause it was 3am and I was extremely tangry tired + angry. I stand by my statements but not as angrily
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Players who have challenged Athos for his Bijuu, please share your experiences. I think we will all understand why no one is doing anything about this through RP.
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Jokes.
The reason behind no one wanting to go after Athos can be linked to three main points:
1.) Their standing with the host behind the scenes of SL
2.) The character they are forced to face.
3.) Disinterest in Biju as a whole
Now their apprehension to challenge may be a mixture of any of the three, but I think it’s safe to say we can boil it down to that. Now, my personal experience with Athos has recently turned sour, so please take that into consideration, but I think my situation is a great example of why we need a more restricted limit.
I personally didn’t want to fight Athos for a tailed beast. I think his character is god mod and I’m not in good standing with him otherwise. So what are my other options? Jay and Ray. While I have no ill feelings for Jay, I don’t particularly care for the way he fights. I’ve read a few of his battles, and I’ve made the decision that rather than offend him by making a challenge, then voiding all of the things I don’t like, I’d go with Ray, which I was perfectly content with. He is a friend, and Hiru is a beast that I am personally invested in. Now that should have been a perfect ending to that dilemma. I challenged Ray, we started with no issue. But because there is no limit to what a single person can have, Athos decided that he needed to challenge for the beast as well. For what? So he can fulfill some sort of messiah complex and decide who's worthy to have a beast? Now, when there was none otherwise, Athos has created drama. If there had been a limit, there would be no issue, because he wouldn’t have had the opportunity to create it.
We need to diversify the host list in order to give people all across the game an opportunity to find another Jink at their skill level or whom they are familiar/friendly with enough that they can have a fun experience. We should not enable bad behavior.
If the environment is unwelcoming, then no one will come.
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We need to diversify the host list in order to give people all across the game an opportunity to find another Jink at their skill level or whom they are familiar/friendly with enough that they can have a fun experience. We should not enable bad behavior.
If the environment is unwelcoming, then no one will come.
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This is my reason exactly for desiring a hard limit on tailed beast ownership.
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[While I have no ill feelings for Jay, I don’t particularly care for the way he fights. I’ve read a few of his battles, and I’ve made the decision that rather than offend him by making a challenge, then voiding all of the things I don’t like,
I went from Aww :oops: to aww :cry:
What's wrong with the way I fight?
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This rule was meant to target the fact that Bocchiere took advantage of a loop hole in the rules and fix that. You just happen to fall under it's effects because you are currently exploiting the same loop hole. The only thing I heard about your plan is that you have a list of new owners for the Bijuu and you are going to make Bijuu RP great again. When and how that's going to happen, I have no idea. But it wasn't my intention to ruin what you are trying to build. Discuss it with the community, get your plans going. If IC rules is the reason why you plans can't move forward, then ask the community to exempt you from this rule on Bijuu limit until that get settled and you can put your plans in motion.
I told you when >> Like twice now. And ask the community? You mean the same people who mutter about me behind my back all the time? <_< That's like asking the lynch mod to help me sharpen my pitchfork collection. My plan has literally been the same from day one, I told Tim when he first came back what my plan was and that it'd be run through actual RP. Hell, I even told Tobi before that. It's not like this is some half-brain scheme that I came up with to try and shut people up, this is literally something I've been planning since I started collecting the Bijuu. I've tried to get the IC chat going but every time it starts, either only the same three people are replying or it only takes a day or two for the talks to die down because of the previous reasons. Hell, Dart just posted saying the other day that IC rules haven't even been talked about enough and they shouldn't be made a rule yet no one goes to change that >> Has anyone even seen how the IC rules have come along? Because it's been pretty good and we've got Eric, surprisingly(love you) to thank for that.
I apologize for the above tone in my post cause it was 3am and I was extremely tangry tired + angry. I stand by my statements but not as angrily
It's fine, I still love you Ray. But just to point out, and Rusaku and any challengers can confirm, I'm always more than willing to just void my Deadzone .-. Or anything on my list, you know, if you actually took the time to try. Like Rusaku said, him and I aren't even on good terms and yet when we were setting up our Bijuu fight we were able to come to agreeable terms on how Deadzone could work. And if we hadn't, I was willing to just void it outright. The crazy things that happen when you actually take the time out of your day to talk/ask somebody.
Players who have challenged Athos for his Bijuu, please share your experiences. I think we will all understand why no one is doing anything about this through RP.
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Jokes.
The reason behind no one wanting to go after Athos can be linked to three main points:
1.) Their standing with the host behind the scenes of SL
2.) The character they are forced to face.
3.) Disinterest in Biju as a whole
Now their apprehension to challenge may be a mixture of any of the three, but I think it’s safe to say we can boil it down to that. Now, my personal experience with Athos has recently turned sour, so please take that into consideration, but I think my situation is a great example of why we need a more restricted limit.
I personally didn’t want to fight Athos for a tailed beast. I think his character is god mod and I’m not in good standing with him otherwise. So what are my other options? Jay and Ray. While I have no ill feelings for Jay, I don’t particularly care for the way he fights. I’ve read a few of his battles, and I’ve made the decision that rather than offend him by making a challenge, then voiding all of the things I don’t like, I’d go with Ray, which I was perfectly content with. He is a friend, and Hiru is a beast that I am personally invested in. Now that should have been a perfect ending to that dilemma. I challenged Ray, we started with no issue. But because there is no limit to what a single person can have, Athos decided that he needed to challenge for the beast as well. For what? So he can fulfill some sort of messiah complex and decide who's worthy to have a beast? Now, when there was none otherwise, Athos has created drama. If there had been a limit, there would be no issue, because he wouldn’t have had the opportunity to create it.
We need to diversify the host list in order to give people all across the game an opportunity to find another Jink at their skill level or whom they are familiar/friendly with enough that they can have a fun experience. We should not enable bad behavior.
If the environment is unwelcoming, then no one will come.
But like I just said above, the last time we set up a Bijuu fight things went well, for the most part. Bad blood is bound to cause something to go wrong, somewhere. But even though you say all these things, you act like the last time we fought, you didn't win and beat me for the Nine Tails O.o You act like I didn't have a long string of losses behind me, at that. You, out of anyone, actually know that I'm not the 'unbeatable winner' everyone has played me out to be ever since I got the Bijuu. Hell, our last fight didn't even make it past entrance posts because of an issue with time ._. So how can you even say anything about that fight or how it went? Because despite the bitter talking at the end after trying to get stripped, things were pretty cut and dry in that situation.
Unlike most people on the site, you at least have a reason for us not to get along. You know, as well as I do, that 90% of the population that doesn't like me is either because of rumors, old stories, or because I've got a hot temper. No one actually takes the time to message a guy, see what's up. It is much easier to just play him out to be the bad guy, like everyone else. Because if someone sees you interacting with him, they may think you have cooties too and then isolate you the same way >_> "Oh man, Athos gets irked when talking about Bijuu", shit, then maybe we can talk about something else? The Weather? How is your life? No. People would rather cling to the bad and let that be it <_<
Another thread that has degraded into a shit throwing contest because Athos got pissed, lol. GG
What's that? All I taste is a bunch of salt on all this civil conversation ._.
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You forgot to praise Tomi for constantly messaging you about how you're doing, what's up, and how about dem space trucks and Town of Salem, Athos :V
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You forgot to praise Tomi for constantly messaging you about how you're doing, what's up, and how about dem space trucks and Town of Salem, Athos :V
And Tim is a good friend, yes. Sorry >> Forgot to say that in my last post.
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Behind the scenes, I've been speaking to a few people, sharing my thoughts, etc.
I think you'll get to a compromise. =)
Message me if there are any issues? ^^
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Another thread that has degraded into a shit throwing contest because Athos got pissed, lol. GG
What's that? All I taste is a bunch of salt on all this civil conversation ._.
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You mistakenly confuse my willingness to point out that you reacted to Gyururu in an irrational manner because you seem to be fixated on this idea that everyone is out to get you. Whether that is a true belief or not is up for debate, but it's my opinion that, as I was in the other thread, Gyururu wasn't initiating a personal attack against you, but you just happen to be the person who's in the position that's being criticized.
You saw what she said as a personal attack when it wasn't, you got annoyed and decide to respond with a little vitriol and a "bite me" to close out your message. That's when the civil conversation ended. I just decided to point it out because I thought it was funny. Respectfully, don't presume to know what mental state I'm in and then respond to your own presupposition. I would have told you if I were "salty" or upset.
I just got out of jiu jitsu so I'm the farthest one could be from mad or angry lol.
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So far;
1) I see several players agreeing with a limit of 3.
2) I proposed a flexible limit that gets shorter the more Bijuu you have. We can even make it so that the time limit only start from having more than 3 Bijuu.
3) The purpose of this rule isn't to remove the Bijuu from Athos. If anything, he merely spurred me into starting this discussion because it's about time someone do something about this rule that limits Jinchuuriki to having 1 Bijuu only, but not summoners.
Hopefully we can focus on discussion about the detail of the rules from this point onward. Voting comes after that, once the details of the rules has been agreed upon.
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I also think that a limit of 3 is good.
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3) The purpose of this rule isn't to remove the Bijuu from Athos. If anything, he merely spurred me into starting this discussion because it's about time someone do something about this rule that limits Jinchuuriki to having 1 Bijuu only, but not summoners.
Then come and take them >> I still stick by that.
That being said, and like I've legit said several times, I am not against this idea. But I have had plans, several which are going to be in motion soon, and to have them all shit on because we don't think someone working to get all the Bijuu is fair, would be dumb and simply unfair.
Currently, I'm at work but later tonight I'm gonna be making a new topic addressing the community.
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You haven't even reply to Jestar's challenge yet, so stop using that as an excuse. Stop telling people to come take them from you when you are too busy, tired and unmotivated to RP properly. You don't need an extra 2-3 people calling you out for a challenge at your current state.
The limit is meant to prevent something like this from happening in the future. I (speaking for myself) don't mind exempting you from this rule just as long as Ace or Eric is making sure that you are working towards realizing your plans without making excuses to turn days into weeks, weeks into months, and months into years.
If you are not against it then this means pretty much everyone has agreed to having a limit, so stop making this discussion about yourself and let people discuss about the rules, much appreciated.
Here is my new proposal after going through the comments;
1) A player is allowed to hold onto 3 Bijuu indefinitely as long as they are active.
2) A player who is holding onto 4 or more Bijuu is given 6 months (a maximum of 12 months) to redistribute the extra Bijuu.
3) If you have an event which requires all of the Bijuu or forming of the 10-tailed and such, please discuss it with a Gamemaster and make an official thread on forum to inform others about it, so that they may participate. The event must be carried out within 3 months after the thread is made.
And here is a special one-time-rule only for Athos;
4) Ace, Eric and the other Bijuu Council members may decide whether to exempt Athos from this rule as long as he is actively carrying out his current plan for the Bijuu that are currently in his possession.
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Gyu, I say set a limit (3) and be done with it, as that seems to be the least strenous route here. The extra stipulations, while trying to keep with the idea that people want to compete for biju even when having 3, are really excessive in my opinion. Make sure that the limit applies to players, not characters, as alts holding beasts is not unheard of.
And keeping up with Athos' progress how exactly? Stalk him in his PM's and see if his conversations are leading towards it? Watch for a RP to happen? Mandate surrender at some arbitrary point in time? Just have him give the beasts away upon the new limit's vote-in and call it a day is what I suggest.
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1) A player is allowed to hold onto 3 Bijuu indefinitely as long as they are active.
2) A player who is holding onto 4 or more Bijuu is given 6 months (a maximum of 12 months) to redistribute the extra Bijuu.
3) If you have an event which requires all of the Bijuu or forming of the 10-tailed and such, please discuss it with a Gamemaster and make an official thread on forum to inform others about it, so that they may participate. The event must be carried out within 3 months after the thread is made.
***4) Ace, Eric and the other Bijuu Council members may decide whether to exempt Athos from this rule as long as he is actively carrying out his current plan for the Bijuu that are currently in his possession.
1) I have no problem with this hard limit being set in order to diversify things up a bit, but wouldn't it contradict the rule where it states that there is no limit per player? With that rule still in place, I cannot vote for this limitation, despite my credentials as council. You or someone else needs to call for an amendment, that way this conflict gets taken cared of.
2) I, for one think that six months is waaaaaaaaay too long for someone to be taking for their choice of jinchuuriki. I was thinking more of four weeks to redistribute with a maximum limit of six weeks and this is just me throwing my opinion out there.
3) I was pretty sure that a majority of us decided to forego the whole "Juubi" idea, but that's not the problem I have with your idea. It's the time limit, again. Waaaaaaay too long in my opinion and I would suggest two weeks as opposed to three months.
***4) I would have no problem with exempting Athos from this rule, if it somehow passed. For as long as he doesn't take months to carry out his plan and set everything into motion with the whole redistribution process.
That being said, and like I've legit said several times, I am not against this idea. But I have had plans, several which are going to be in motion soon, and to have them all shit on because we don't think someone working to get all the Bijuu is fair, would be dumb and simply unfair.
How soon though? I heard that this distribution was happening "soon" and a list of people was being worked on, but no release date was ever given.
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I really haven't seen the biggest reason as to why tailed beast farming is a bad thing so I'll state it here. It seems people are to busy saying oh me, me, me instead of debating cons and pros like a discussion like this should be done.
No offense Athos but come at me bro isn't a legit pro or con to the issue at hand.
So anyways, the biggest issue with farming the beast is if a host has an abundance of the beast and goes inactive, quits, or gets banned all those beast get tied up in a limbo until the issue can be handled. I'm aware Athos you could say (I use you as an example because you are the current main beast farmer) "I am active i want go inactive." but anything could happen. God forbid but who knows you could croak in rl.
If the beast are held in a 1:1 or 2:1 ration at max it leaves less sorting out to do. The beast can easily be passed on to the next challenger in line and they inherit the challenger list or something.
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It'd be cool to be exempt from the rules, still at work currently. I mean, this rule xD
@Gyu
I work Thursday through Sunday >> Yeah I haven't replied yet, I dun wanna during work times.
@Kamui
Soon as in soon, like I've said(I know you've missed it though, so don't worry), I wanted the redistribution to go hand in hand with the IC Rules. If I can't get that, then rejoice in the fact that I have ready handed out one of the Beasts that I had o.o To someone who can do the Bijuu game good.
@Kirk
I love you, but come at me, bro.
^obviously a joke and a pun on us being brothers xD
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Double post, I think I mentioned it in this thread but when I'm off work in a few hours, I'm going to be making a topic where all my cards will be on the table, in detail.
Just so we can clear up any and all misunderstandings.
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It'd be cool to be exempt from the rules, still at work currently. I mean, this rule xD
@Gyu
I work Thursday through Sunday >> Yeah I haven't replied yet, I dun wanna during work times.
@Kamui
Soon as in soon, like I've said(I know you've missed it though, so don't worry), I wanted the redistribution to go hand in hand with the IC Rules. If I can't get that, then rejoice in the fact that I have ready handed out one of the Beasts that I had o.o To someone who can do the Bijuu game good.
@Kirk
I love you, but come at me, bro.
^obviously a joke and a pun on us being brothers xD
Nice pun but I have no desire to fight anyone for a tailed nor to host one.
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Revised:
1) Okay, I guess we will go with a hard limit of 3.
2) What 2? Let's just move on to 3.
3) If you have an event which involves gathering all the Bijuu, please discuss it with a Gamemaster and make an official thread on the forum to inform others sbout it, so that they may participate. The event must be carried out within two weeks after the thread is made.
Since Eric is still undergoing stalking training in the ninja academy and is unreliable enough to stalk someone like Athos... (just a joke bro ^_~*);
4) Athos is exempted from this rule until the "IC Rules 2 (discussion)" & the "IC Rules (vote)" are concluded. His plans for the Bijuu must be carried out within 2 weeks after the conclusion of the IC Rules.
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Since Eric is still undergoing stalking training in the ninja academy and is unreliable enough to stalk someone like Athos... (just a joke bro ^_~*);
You could always take the job ;p I'd rather not be on the wrong terms with a friend's waifu.
Revised:
4) Athos is exempted from this rule until the "IC Rules 2 (discussion)" & the "IC Rules (vote)" are concluded. His plans for the Bijuu must be carried out within 2 weeks after the conclusion of the IC Rules.
I want three weeks because... Being difficult. xD
Nah, I think that would be more than enough time... I mean, maybe. I wanted to... (will just wait until he makes his other topic) but yeah o.o
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If there are no further discussion and everyone is happy, then I guess a voting thread should be made?
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If there are no further discussion and everyone is happy, then I guess a voting thread should be made?
I'm good with that o.o
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Should I just add a poll here instead of making a new thread since it's already sticky/pinned?
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Should I just add a poll here instead of making a new thread since it's already sticky/pinned?
I move for a poll made out of this thread.
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Should I just add a poll here instead of making a new thread since it's already sticky/pinned?
No, make a vote thread, there are a few around that you can use as a template if need be. Makes it easier to link to/reference later on when the rule is added.