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Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: Bocchiere on January 12, 2015, 08:32:07 PM
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So, how many turns do we think it should take for someone who has opened the 8th Gate to die?
Also, should you be able to delay it by using abilities like Body Revival Technique and Healing Power?
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I feel like the "set time" or whatever before you boil could be delayed by Healing power or Body revival. But technically couldn't Yin healing delay it too?
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So, how many turns do we think it should take for someone who has opened the 8th Gate to die?
Also, should you be able to delay it by using abilities like Body Revival Technique and Healing Power?
6 turns max imho, with that being reduced depending on the stress put on the body during that time. 4 regular, 6 with healing delays.
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Yeah I could see that too.
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Yeah, seeing Bocch and I were talking about it due to our fight, I'll comment.
I think that it should be 4/5 normally but the counter should start from the first post the gates are active. Not after.
As for something like what I have, Healing Power, I think two turns extra, maybe three. Just because Madara took a blow from the Eight Gates, the strongest move at that, and was able to heal himself from the damage done.
I don't argue it should be a super-duper saver, but still.
And, on a side note, would stacking things like that extend the time even more? I don't have anything really besides the Healing Power... But what if someone had Healing Power and, let's say, Body Revival? O.o; Or Yin Seal and another?
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Madara has the Juubi though
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Also a good point, which technically brings me to another point;
The amount of chakra put into a Healing Factor and if that'd change how much time said person has o.o
There are a lot of factors to take in when considering this.
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I feel like you could use chakra to 'boost' your healing effects. but it would drain you
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Well almost all of those abilities are just heal from all wounds, so would stacking them really do anything? It would be like using Kamui and Hozuki tech simultaneously to avoid an attack, pretty asinine.
We should just say 4 or 5 is the base and you can add one or two with medical ninjutsu.
Would death come faster if you use Hachimon Tonko no Jin techniques? Those being Evening Elephant and Night Guy? I would say you die the turn after using Night guy, regardless of what you've done/are doing.
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Yeah I feel the night guy finalizes the kill, but the evening elephant doesn't
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Alright, makes sense. Stacking may not work, but what if they just waited? O.o Like, right before the two extra turns from Healing Power was up... Let's say I have the Yin Seal. If I used it right then, would I get two more? Or is it one extension? That makes sense, to me.
And yeah, I don't think Evening Elephant should kill someone. Or tax. But, if anything, it should tax a single posting turn o.o Makes sense, seeing as the person doesn't get many to begin with.
And Yeah, Night Guy is the end. I agree to that.
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Yeah, seeing Bocch and I were talking about it due to our fight, I'll comment.
I think that it should be 4/5 normally but the counter should start from the first post the gates are active. Not after.
As for something like what I have, Healing Power, I think two turns extra, maybe three. Just because Madara took a blow from the Eight Gates, the strongest move at that, and was able to heal himself from the damage done.
I don't argue it should be a super-duper saver, but still.
And, on a side note, would stacking things like that extend the time even more? I don't have anything really besides the Healing Power... But what if someone had Healing Power and, let's say, Body Revival? O.o; Or Yin Seal and another?
He was also the 10-tails host, which including the massive amount of life energy from the husk of the beast. Had he just been Hashirama healing power he would have been dead. Seeing as it is the intense amount of chakra flowing through you that's burning you up in the first place, I don't think stacking more chakra on top of that is going to help, even if it is for the sake of healing.
And I'm surprised it came up in a biju match where both combatants are hosts, since neither one of you can really afford to open the 8th gate.
Using something like Night Guy would definitely take a turn or two off of the survival counter.
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Well Evening Elephant does hurt so much that Guy could not successfully do it on his first attempt.
I think using that fully (since no one is going to go 8 Gates and then say they fail at attacking) you would lose 1 turn. So if you were healing up to 6 using Elephant would bring you one post closer to dying.
I don't think you should be able to bs, is my opinion. >> Regeneration Techs like White Strength Seal are supposed to shorten your life anyway. So using them in conjunction with the 8 Gates would just make you die faster if you spam them. 4 posts normal or 6 with regen, no reason to complicate it.
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Madara has Juubi so he doesn't quite count; unless you destroy his head or keep the heart obliterated until he suffers brain death from lack of oxygen, he's as far as we can see immortal. Sure you could argue he'll still suffer damage from it, but if he can regrow half his body like a starfish within seconds he could blow his limbs away with night guy or something, then wait a few sec floating around for them to grow back.
Only problem would be how could he close it after that, lest he'd rek his heart and regrow one with the pressure point shut, lol.
I've always detested strict limits on shit, I prefer common sense and "honor system", but obviously not gonna fly here so meh.
Body revival I believe was basically unanimously agreed that it can't do squat against 8th gate. Even wiki I recall had something on that since it was far before 8ths gate real nature was ever revealed.
Healing power, never really believed in it being as awesome as people say, so I'd say a post at most, maybe two if you're a purebred senju without any gene therapies or whatever.
Yin seal might stall it for a post at most, maybe two if you plan to exhaust your whole chakra on it.
Byakugou I could see going two to three, but as above you'd exhaust your chakra in it and be screwed.
Yin and or byakugou aren't going to shorten ones lifespan without numerous uses during which huge injuries are fixed, one use alone isn't going to shave years off or anything, so it wouldn't lower it in this case I believe.
Stacking might function in some cases, but I can't see how could one realistically have the chakra to withstand such a big constant drain.
Evening elephant, it hurts like a bitch but so does lotus, don't see it actually dropping your time unless you spam it nonstop asa kujaku style.
Night guy though, that will just kill you. You might twitch on the ground half a minute at most, but you won't be doing anything at all after that except crumbling to ash.
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While we're on the subjects of healing abilities, lets take note that Madara's use of Hashirama's Healing Power is augmented by not only Senjutsu chakra, but also massive reserves of the Juubi's chakra and the Six Paths chakra.
So here's what we have when taking healing into consideration.
Shikotsumyaku - Passive/active healing
Healing Power - Passive healing
Byakugou - Passive/active healing
Yin Healing - Active healing
Biju healing/influence - Passive healing
The difference between active healing and passive healing, is the fact that one requires conscious activation, while the other occurs naturally. Although ones that are labeled as both fall under a special category where the passive healing must be activated. Active healing techniques would require an action in a single posting in order to use. Passive happens automatically, so long as the poster remembers to mention it. I could break down the differences in attaining/using each one and their strengths, but I would like to stay on topic here.
The Eighth Gate is called the Gate of Death because death is assured. Death is assured because you're literally burning your body away to dust. No amount of healing is going to help you survive or prolong that, is what I believe. The only thing that has been shown to save someone from death, is Naruto's use of the Six Paths Yang Power's healing ability. This seems to be the strongest healing ability out there, though it only seems to a blessing-type, where it's actually used to heal others, and not the user. But I could be wrong about that, since we've never been shown Naruto touching himself with it.
And on that note, before anybody else goes on to claim it for their own death-defying purposes, let this be my public declaration of abusing claiming it!
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Bit too late with that Kage. I acquired both the markings from Hagoromo last year already, IC too at that. None of this 'oh I claim so I haz nao' nonsense.
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So then who's Hagoromo? Or who controls him.
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I did this once. Should anyone ever question Warren further of the encounter in public though I might ask Rinoa's help with it, because she does good stuff when she's not lazy, and GM text looks much nicer than || in front of every damn post too.
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Bit too late with that Kage. I acquired both the markings from Hagoromo last year already, IC too at that. None of this 'oh I claim so I haz nao' nonsense.
Excuse meh, but I have some hard, in-character, role-played documentation for my claim here.
(1m36s) <||||> Uchiha Kage becomes shocked as a strange white circle mark appears on the palm of his right hand. "Woah." He then proceeds to examine the mark with his Sharingan, "Yep, that's some Yang-natured chakra alright."
So then who's Hagoromo? Or who controls him.
If I remember correctly, there was an agreement upon anybody not being able to RP Hagoromo or Kaguya. Mainly because their existence and running-about could stir up some pretty bad RP and claims. Especially with Kaguya. There's also some time-displacement stuff that people could legitimately bring up too. And even if anybody where to create their own Hagoromo or Kaguya, they would most-likely be voided/ignored.
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I, uh, don't know if you guys are really being serious or not 'bout this >.>;
Thought it was decided anything like that was void here on SL xD Especially because I am pretty sure that move requires Ten Tails chakra and all, right? o.o; Or, the Old Man's direct strength. And the old man, last I checked, was banned here on SL...
Now I'm just lost >.>
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I, uh, don't know if you guys are really being serious or not 'bout this >.>;
Thought it was decided anything like that was void here on SL xD Especially because I am pretty sure that move requires Ten Tails chakra and all, right? o.o; Or, the Old Man's direct strength. And the old man, last I checked, was banned here on SL...
Now I'm just lost >.>
The old man isn't allowed, but all of his powers are welcomed with open arms. Besides, you really don't want somebody that can bring himself back from the dead popping up around, do you?
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How are people supposed to get his power without him here? lol
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How are people supposed to get his power without him here? lol
You can ask the same question for about 57% of the techniques, powers and abilities that exist.
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Yeah but I just assumed that power of the guy who created pretty much everything would have different circumstances. Especially considering their op nature.
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And I posted my own stuff of following canon basically every step of the way all over the goddamn site over RL months last year, not two minutes ago, I even flooded the desert board pretty bad when I finalized the sealing ritual and stuff along with some others o_O not even to begin with having studied ninshuu for even longer, major rehauling of the character's views on things like chakra and shinobi in general, et cetera.
Like I let you get away with ignoring me telling you why exactly you can't just bs a gudodama with sage mode because it was amusing watching you roll it around like a tumbleweed, but really man, can't you at least try to think of something new other than the plain old claim so dibs?
What comes to voiding rikudou stuff and people, I quit caring a longass time ago, not that I ever followed most of the nonsensical lithany of rules in place nowadays anyway. If I can play something out in a regulated, sensible manner people will have fun with, then you can be damn sure I'm gonna do it too.
What comes to original topic, sticking to my statement; you can prolong it a little while if you splurge chakra on op healing measures, but you will still die.
As for you Ichiro, I met him in a dream sequence, about the same as Naruto and Sasuke did.
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And I posted my own stuff of following canon basically every step of the way all over the goddamn site over RL months last year, not two minutes ago, I even flooded the desert board pretty bad when I finalized the sealing ritual and stuff along with some others o_O not even to begin with having studied ninshuu for even longer, major rehauling of the character's views on things like chakra and shinobi in general, et cetera.
Like I let you get away with ignoring me telling you why exactly you can't just bs a gudodama with sage mode because it was amusing watching you roll it around like a tumbleweed, but really man, can't you at least try to think of something new other than the plain old claim so dibs?
What comes to voiding rikudou stuff and people, I quit caring a longass time ago, not that I ever followed most of the nonsensical lithany of rules in place nowadays anyway. If I can play something out in a regulated, sensible manner people will have fun with, then you can be damn sure I'm gonna do it too.
What comes to original topic, sticking to my statement; you can prolong it a little while if you splurge chakra on op healing measures, but you will still die.
As for you Ichiro, I met him in a dream sequence, about the same as Naruto and Sasuke did.
Calm down. It's just a bit of satire.
But if you really want to void all that Rikudou stuff, you gotta propose a line drawn with the community. Like, if we just outright say that everything Rikudou-related is straight-up banned/voided, then that's pretty much killing all KG. Maybe chakra too. But we all know that's not going to happen. There are levels of the bar that you can propose setting here.
But that also brings into question, what is the community and what power do they have, if any, at all?
If you want to get real technical here, nobody has any power to say who can have what. This is because RP is a secondary aspect on SL. So everyone can be whatever they want, even if it's not ninjas. Heck, somebody could just drop a space colony on the ninja world and be done with it.
This is where voiding comes into play. To "void" someone or something, is to not acknowledge that it never happened. If two parties don't agree with each other on something, one is bound to void something of the other. Or perhaps both.
Now this is where guidelines and rules come into play. These are writings that set some lines on regulating RP. This is usually done by the creator(s) or mod(s) of said RP site. But since RP is secondary, it falls into the hands of the community. Who or what is the community? Those which choose to participate in RPing.
Here's an example.
Nathan is declared Hokage. The people who RP in Konoha and are Konoha nin acknowledge it. Others in the SL-verse acknowledge it. I acknowledge it. It is acknowledged by most of the active RPing community.
But hold on. Only most acknowledge it? Apparently so. Not everybody agrees or acknowledges with Nathan being the Rokudaime Hokage.
Please note that the above example is merely an example. But it is outlined from a current situation in regards of who is/was in charge of what village. Not going to point fingers or call out names, since my whole point in explaining all this is to keep heavy conflict from happening. That is, harassment and the such. But be certain, conflict WILL arise. It's our job, as well as the rest of the community's, to ensure that it's orderly conflict. That is, where we actually get to discussing these things and creating rulings/guidelines for them, along with being in agreement on it.
So if anybody has a beef with something, then go ahead and bring it up. It is highly encouraged. Bring up some of that sweet conflict, so we can get it resolved. But remember to keep it orderly. That's the tough part.
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On that regard, its looking like death gate death -no pun intended- can be delayed by OP healing powers, but not prevented.
Unless someone blindsides with a so far unthought of mega argument that wrecks everything.
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So he doesn't exist.. but he comes to us in dreams..
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So he doesn't exist.. but he comes to us in dreams..
Actually, that would most-likely fall under bringing him into current play, since technically he's being controlled by someone. Spontaneous abilities and technique creation is more acceptable though.
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I'm just tuggin' on your ball strings.
But really though