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Roleplay => All That Is Bijuu => Rules/Foundation => Topic started by: Trev on March 19, 2017, 04:08:18 AM
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Alright, so this thread was in demand awhile ago and there was some interest in seeing some rule passed. This thread is not a thread to bring up past accusations, affect any prior fight, etc. Just discuss a rule.
As of right now, based on what I've seen there are three options
1. Do nothing, it's not a big deal.
2. My proposal. Which would have those caught tampering in the future be stripped of their tailed beast (if they had one) and people involved be suspended from biju fights for 1-3 months. It's a little harsh, but fair imo. Only problem is it would be very difficult to enforce. As unless you have proof (messages) of tampering, you can't prove it. So would only work if one of the parties came forward and admitted to it.
3. I've also seen Athos propose to eliminate FFA and leave it strictly a 1 v 1 fight. Although I think I also saw him say maybe allow tag matches. I'm sure he can explain his solution when he sees this thread.
So yeah, turn it over to you guys. Comment if you think nothing should be done, comment or edit on the two proposed solutions, or propose your own. And don't forget to hit the subscribe button
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On first thought I assumed you meant like, tampering with the tailed beast itself, splitting the beastie into pieces and all that good stuff. But now I see you mean the other kind of tampering, the one near synonymous with rigging.
Well, I am definitely against 3, since if a FFA of sorts is desired by parties then I see no reason to make a rule stopping that from happening. Just because one FFA turns out bad doesn't mean all of them will.
For 2 to work, there would need to be evidence beyond one party coming forward. A confession letter or something similar to what Dart-Kamui did is about as close to "evidence" as you are going to get. I suggest outlining the whole process, including what counts as evidence, what punishments are available to the Council (you've already done that), and a clause for repeat offenders.
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I'm going to have to toss my vote in for the second option.
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I vote Option 2 with Eric's suggestions being looked into.
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So why do you guys want to waste time making a rule set for something that will probably never happen again (an FFA that is) and also boils down to, "It's fine if you don't get caught." ?
Not to mention all you would need to do to get around it is suggest the team up IC. Because we can't make a rule to just character control people in a Free For All situation.
"Let's all kill this guy!"
"Makes sense to me."
free-for-all
ˈˌfrē fə ˈˌrôl/
noun
a disorganized or unrestricted situation or event in which everyone may take part, especially a fight, discussion, or trading market.
It's literally supposed to be a fight where anything goes. So what's the point if we restrict it? Gee you got stabbed in the back in this brawl between multiple highly trained assassins fighting to the death. Who could have guessed that sportsmanship would not be paramount in such an event?
The only reason to restrict it is so we don't have people throwing a fit every time they lose an FFA, even though they'll probably never happen again, and that is why I want to just eliminate them entirely rather than make up rules for behavior that said rules will fail to control in any way.
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I didn't really experience a problem different from one, one, might experience in a regular fight. So, it was neither bad nor was it good.
So, if you were to get rid of FFA, how would you categorize a tamper? If it's a 1v1, how would you know anything is being tampered with. I think, for this rule to make sense or have a purpose, you'd need to host more FFAs. Though, I think the main problem was the actual matchup, that being that it was 5-ways. The 3-2 odd made a gang up a little more likely. So, if you were to have another FFA, it would need to have an even number of participants.
Plus, like Athos said, all one would need to do is IC voice the plan of action and there's really nothing any judge could do about it. So, really, this entire thread really serves no purpose other than to decide whether or not to give FFAs another try or to absolve it completely.
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So why do you guys want to waste time making a rule set for something that will probably never happen again (an FFA that is) and also boils down to, "It's fine if you don't get caught." ?
The same reason we wasted time making rules for the tailed beasts instead of getting rid of them completely when they provide little to nothing to SL RP. Not everyone agrees with the sentiment that it's pointless and useless. Should you decide to give up your tailed beasts like the last guy who caught them all (or nearly all in your case), then to have a plan in place for handling the situation is a good idea, even if it includes a FFA-style fight for odd matchups (3 want the beast, fairer to have all 3 fight than have 2 fight then the winner fight the other 1, who gets an automatic bi-round to the Finals).
The bracket tournaments, with 1v1 fights, worked very well despite claims that tournaments don't work around here. So why would a FFA be any different? It just needs work, just like the main biju rules.
The spirit of a Free-for-all in a game setting is that it is everyman for himself, just like in First-Person shooters, and no players are supposed to be teaming up together beforehand to take out another player. Team-ups are frowned upon because there is Team deathmatch and such modes for those kind of fights (which, btw, might would be a cleaner alternative to pure FFA's).
The issue is that, conveniently funneling is one thing, making up IC reasons for the team-up (which, btw, you guys did not even bother doing), etc. is one thing, but actively, OOCly ganging up on "lesser" players with no apparent reason but to maliciously eliminate them from the competition defeats the purpose of having a game FFA in the first place. Such things were not against the rules then, but can be made against the rules in the future.
Because we can't make a rule to just character control people in a Free For All situation...
Actually, yes we can, just like we can make rules for IC behavior of characters who are Edo's, who are summoners of biju and Edos, etc. The vast majority of technique rules here on SL are about character controlling to reduce unfair play, not making sure that people stay in line with the canon -quite the opposite usually in that the restrictions make the technique or action less than it would be in canon - or speak nicely to each other.
So, if you were to get rid of FFA, how would you categorize a tamper? If it's a 1v1, how would you know anything is being tampered with...
If the judge can be shown making an agreement to agree with the moves of one player and disregard the moves of another without appeal, that would be tampering. Going against established SL rules (Edo rules, hiraishin rules, etc.) for the benefit of one player and the detriment of another.
Who could have guessed that sportsmanship would not be paramount in such an event?
This an OOC fight between players, not an a fight to the death in real life. Sportsmanship is expected at some basic level between players. Both in discussions regarding the fight details and in the fight itself. The lack of sportsmanship is the reason biju battles are notorious for being unfun to play in, a lack of sportsmanship is why that FFA turned out the way it did. A game, especially one like this, without some form of sportsmanship is not a game.
Trev, Kayenta, and others ring like Notre Dame's bells everytime that point gets brought back up.
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@Athos
There was a time when people said tournaments would never happen again because they don't work, that didn't last and I'm sure eventually if the site last that long there will be another situation where FFA could be used or tag matches.
As for the "It's fine if you don't get caught" that's with any form of cheating or tampering. Until someone gets caught, nothing can really be done about. Like steroids in sports, perjury, people in government using a pay to play system, etc. Some you can test for, others usually aren't known unless evidence is found or someone comes clean.
You are right though with the IC coming together. Nobody can and nobody should stop that. But if the fight is ooc, one can't exactly do that. But if it is IC and people came together before in an IC manner, I have no issue with that.
I mean if we use stats, we've had 1 FFA and there was tampering in someone coming forward. So we technically have a 100% success rate of someone going to tamper and someone coming clean about it >.> (That's a bad joke btw)
@Jay
If it was 1 v 1, as Eric said only real tampering could be from a judge.
Also, if the fight is IC and the rp was done, sure nothing can be done about it. But it has to be IC.
Ultimately, I can see where you guys are coming from. My proposal would be very hard to enforce, and probably useless. Although the stipulations I proposed have happened before, so who knows. Which is why I hoped someone else might come up with another solution. I just don't think we should scrap FFA all together, just cause it didn't work once. If we're going by not working, tournaments wouldn't have gotten another chance, and the biju would have been scrapped a very long time ago. Although I do see the appeal in quick solution that instead of fixing a problem, just kills the situation.
Hopefully more opinions flow in, else I see a stalemate coming. So maybe we can spitball other ideas, since this one seems to be a split (until others comment) and I have an odd feeling neither side will convince the others cause ya know, SL. Anyone got anything different from Athos or I?
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Ultimately, I can see where you guys are coming from. My proposal would be very hard to enforce, and probably useless. Although the stipulations I proposed have happened before, so who knows. Which is why I hoped someone else might come up with another solution...
To fixing FFA matches or tampering of biju fights in general? My suggestion for both:
Tampering with the spirit of the process is very serious, but we don't want to turn FFA's and such into Clinton email server investigations and Russian hacking allegations. What I am proposing is not at all going to sound like me, but rest assured, it's my thoughts:
FFA's and tournament style biju fights should require a Honor system, similar to what universities have for tests and such. All participants agree to abide by a certain "honor code" that, currently, would consist of the following key points:
- As a participant, I agree to abide by the rules of the Game (game/forum rules) to the best of my ability.
- As a participant, I agree to remain courteous and polite towards my fellow participants, even if he or she is not reasonably courteous and polite towards me. I will attempt to the best of my ability to be a good sport in the event of an unfavorable outcome.
-As a participant, I agree to follow the rules of the Tournament and/or Free-for-All and will accept any punishments or boons that may result from being found to be in compliance or out of compliance with said rules.
-As a participant, I agree that if I or another participant at any point is found guilty of a Honor violation, then subject to appeal only to the Biju Council, I accept any punishments or boons that may result from the violation.
- As a participant I agree to acknowledge any Official (declared by judge, tournament conclusion results, dice rolls by valid party, bracket creations by valid party, etc.) outcomes.
- As a participant, I will report any unethical behavior that comes to my attention.
Punishments for violations of honor system should vary, but no greater than a stripping and/or ban from all things biju for 6 months and nothing less than disqualification from the competition.
As for tampering with biju fights in general, all complaints of cheating and/or unethical conduct must be publicly made to the Biju Council with evidence supporting the claim. Evidence includes:
* Screenshots of SL or SLF (shinobilegends forum PM conversations) that contain incriminating information implicating at least one of the accused of engaging or encouraging others to engage in the specific behavior that the accuser is accusing the accused of.
*Records of other conversations, text or graphical, outside of the context of SL or SLF that can be verified by at least one other person.
* Record of a full conversation (from greetings to end) of a confession statement made by the accused.
Global moderator or Game Master verification of private correspondence on SL and SLF may be requested, but any and all involved (accused and others who may have messages) must be notified via PM via both SL and SLF before the request is carried out.
Punishments again range between removal from all things biju for 6 months, loss of Council seat, etc.
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Ultimately, I can see where you guys are coming from. My proposal would be very hard to enforce, and probably useless. Although the stipulations I proposed have happened before, so who knows. Which is why I hoped someone else might come up with another solution...
To fixing FFA matches or tampering of biju fights in general? My suggestion for both:
Tampering with the spirit of the process is very serious, but we don't want to turn FFA's and such into Clinton email server investigations and Russian hacking allegations. What I am proposing is not at all going to sound like me, but rest assured, it's my thoughts:
FFA's and tournament style biju fights should require a Honor system, similar to what universities have for tests and such. All participants agree to abide by a certain "honor code" that, currently, would consist of the following key points:
- As a participant, I agree to abide by the rules of the Game (game/forum rules) to the best of my ability.
- As a participant, I agree to remain courteous and polite towards my fellow participants, even if he or she is not reasonably courteous and polite towards me. I will attempt to the best of my ability to be a good sport in the event of an unfavorable outcome.
-As a participant, I agree to follow the rules of the Tournament and/or Free-for-All and will accept any punishments or boons that may result from being found to be in compliance or out of compliance with said rules.
-As a participant, I agree that if I or another participant at any point is found guilty of a Honor violation, then subject to appeal only to the Biju Council, I accept any punishments or boons that may result from the violation.
- As a participant I agree to acknowledge any Official (declared by judge, tournament conclusion results, dice rolls by valid party, bracket creations by valid party, etc.) outcomes.
- As a participant, I will report any unethical behavior that comes to my attention.
Punishments for violations of honor system should vary, but no greater than a stripping and/or ban from all things biju for 6 months and nothing less than disqualification from the competition.
As for tampering with biju fights in general, all complaints of cheating and/or unethical conduct must be publicly made to the Biju Council with evidence supporting the claim. Evidence includes:
* Screenshots of SL or SLF (shinobilegends forum PM conversations) that contain incriminating information implicating at least one of the accused of engaging or encouraging others to engage in the specific behavior that the accuser is accusing the accused of.
*Records of other conversations, text or graphical, outside of the context of SL or SLF that can be verified by at least one other person.
* Record of a full conversation (from greetings to end) of a confession statement made by the accused.
Global moderator or Game Master verification of private correspondence on SL and SLF may be requested, but any and all involved (accused and others who may have messages) must be notified via PM via both SL and SLF before the request is carried out.
Punishments again range between removal from all things biju for 6 months, loss of Council seat, etc.
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"OOCly ganging up on "lesser" players with no apparent reason but to maliciously eliminate them from the competition defeats the purpose of having a game FFA in the first place."
What?
That is not a thing.
We didn't go to peoples houses and break their legs with baseball bats and demand they drop out of the fight, we just decided to eliminate a couple people first to make sure one of us won. You're supposed to try and win the fight aren't you?
Not to mention this horrible behavior that is apparently ruining everything to such a degree it needs to be banned resulted in me fighting Dart and Shadow fighting Kamui with Jay also fighting Shadow and Kamui. We didn't actually team up with each other to really any degree and more or less just agreed to not kill each other first. We didn't all 4 wheel and try and kill Kamui and made no strategy together either. There were 5 people Jay had to attack someone that was already being attacked, it was literally as fair as it could possibly be, and we were all launching attacks at each other basically the entire time.
You know what people should do instead of making excuses about why they lost and telling us we're cheating?
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Ultimately, I can see where you guys are coming from. My proposal would be very hard to enforce, and probably useless. Although the stipulations I proposed have happened before, so who knows. Which is why I hoped someone else might come up with another solution...
To fixing FFA matches or tampering of biju fights in general? My suggestion for both:
Tampering with the spirit of the process is very serious, but we don't want to turn FFA's and such into Clinton email server investigations and Russian hacking allegations. What I am proposing is not at all going to sound like me, but rest assured, it's my thoughts:
FFA's and tournament style biju fights should require a Honor system, similar to what universities have for tests and such. All participants agree to abide by a certain "honor code" that, currently, would consist of the following key points:
- As a participant, I agree to abide by the rules of the Game (game/forum rules) to the best of my ability.
- As a participant, I agree to remain courteous and polite towards my fellow participants, even if he or she is not reasonably courteous and polite towards me. I will attempt to the best of my ability to be a good sport in the event of an unfavorable outcome.
-As a participant, I agree to follow the rules of the Tournament and/or Free-for-All and will accept any punishments or boons that may result from being found to be in compliance or out of compliance with said rules.
-As a participant, I agree that if I or another participant at any point is found guilty of a Honor violation, then subject to appeal only to the Biju Council, I accept any punishments or boons that may result from the violation.
- As a participant I agree to acknowledge any Official (declared by judge, tournament conclusion results, dice rolls by valid party, bracket creations by valid party, etc.) outcomes.
- As a participant, I will report any unethical behavior that comes to my attention.
Punishments for violations of honor system should vary, but no greater than a stripping and/or ban from all things biju for 6 months and nothing less than disqualification from the competition.
As for tampering with biju fights in general, all complaints of cheating and/or unethical conduct must be publicly made to the Biju Council with evidence supporting the claim. Evidence includes:
* Screenshots of SL or SLF (shinobilegends forum PM conversations) that contain incriminating information implicating at least one of the accused of engaging or encouraging others to engage in the specific behavior that the accuser is accusing the accused of.
*Records of other conversations, text or graphical, outside of the context of SL or SLF that can be verified by at least one other person.
* Record of a full conversation (from greetings to end) of a confession statement made by the accused.
Global moderator or Game Master verification of private correspondence on SL and SLF may be requested, but any and all involved (accused and others who may have messages) must be notified via PM via both SL and SLF before the request is carried out.
Punishments again range between removal from all things biju for 6 months, loss of Council seat, etc.
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"OOCly ganging up on "lesser" players with no apparent reason but to maliciously eliminate them from the competition defeats the purpose of having a game FFA in the first place."
...we just decided to eliminate a couple people first to make sure one of us won. You're supposed to try and win the fight aren't you?
So, 2 *2 *2 is no longer equal to 16 - 8? Athos, deciding to eliminate a couple people to get them out of the fight and eliminating them to make sure someone on your team wins is all the same as far as sportsmanship in a 1v1v1v1v1 is concerned. It's poor sportsmanship. Taking it to the extreme of RL physical harm would warrant more than some virtual slaps on the wrists and jewelry snatching.
Still, making the Biju Council judge and jury brings of the obvious matter of what goes down if the entire (or majority of) the Biju Council is involved in the situation? Should we restrict Biju Council member from joining tournaments and such for the sake of keeping those chances down to a minimum, or just say "we'll get there when we get there"?
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There is no expectation of sportsmanship in these fights, if there was you wouldn't be allowed to turn invisible and become completely undetectable to chakra sensing while also having no detectable negative emotions and being able to Double-Eye Kamui people to death.
Becoming an invisible death god who kills people by looking at them? Totally sporting!
Deciding to 2v1 someone? Wow you're a horrible person!
Yeah that makes sense. If there was any respect to sportsmanship I wouldn't be allowed to kill someone in one post because they made a bad entrance post, yet I am.
Seriously I can understand making rules about this just so every time someone loses an FFA they don't open an Inquisition but this appeal to sportsmanship is complete baloney.
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There is no expectation of sportsmanship in these fights, if there was you wouldn't be allowed to turn invisible and become completely undetectable to chakra sensing while also having no detectable negative emotions and being able to Double-Eye Kamui people to death...
There is currently and was no restriction on sportsmanship, that there being a particular example of an unsporting tactic.
Deciding to 2v1 someone? Wow you're a horrible person!
If it's a 1v1v1, then yes, that is bad behavior too. ;)
If there was any respect to sportsmanship I wouldn't be allowed to kill someone in one post because they made a bad entrance post, yet I am.
Currently, yes, because there hasn't been any respect to sportsmanship, just like there was no respect for limitations unless those limitations were set as rules.
Seriously I can understand making rules about this just so every time someone loses an FFA they don't open an Inquisition but this appeal to sportsmanship is complete baloney.
Then break out the Lite bread, you'll be dining on Oscar Myer's sandwhiches tonight. +- cheese, whatever you decide to cut. Meanwhile there can continue discussion about reducing piss fests to hiss fests.
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"If it's a 1v1v1, then yes, that is bad behavior too. ;)"
Ok so you're a scrub.
"“Scrub”, or “skrub”, is an Internet slang term commonly used as a pejorative for someone who needlessly complains about unfair tactics used in multiplayer video games. The term is associated with players who lack the skill to overcome certain strategies, bearing many similarities to “noob”."
There is no "bad behavior". What should we do in this situation you described? Does one of the three people excuse themselves from the fight and let 1 and 2 duke it out till one of them is dead? Well then the person who won the first fight is going to be tired while the third person is still fresh, that doesn't seem "fair". Should they stand in a circle and throw punches at each other person 1 hitting 2, 2 hitting 3 and 3 hitting 1 until someone goes down? What's fair? There is no fair, it's a fight, just win.
If it's a multi-person fight you have to deal with possibly fighting multiple people at once. Why would I ever attack somebody who is on guard when I have the option of shooting another person in their blind spot? No it's not "fair" to the person who was too distracted to see my attack coming but that is literally what they signed up for.
People lost an FFA because they couldn't handle what such a melee entailed and are now complaining about the strategy they lost to and trying to call it unfair so it can be banned. Which is great because that doesn't make them any better at FFA's they'll still lose till they actually learn to fight.
You can win 1v2, 1v3, 1v4, it's been done before. It's hard, and you have to be good at fighting, but you can do it. However if you're currently not able to do that I could see how it seems much easier to just make it illegal for such a situation to occur rather than actually improving till you can handle it. So if that is what the majority thinks then so be it, it will just make it that much easier for the people who do excel at fighting.
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Well... now I'm just comparing SL to Dark Souls... and considering the last big thing I remember doing in that game was launching like 1000 arrows at a huge hydra from like a big ass ledge... well that's my version of gitting gud, leave me alone. #LaunchArrowsAtItUntilItDies
I forgot what my point was. Well an any case, this FFA was very high class with each fighter being strong as hell. There was Athos, who... well he's Athos. He's been around for a long ass time, did a lot of things and is considered the Guy of SL, The Strongest Shield, and Old Dirty Bastard.
Kamui Uchiha, was the First Hokage, the Sixth Otokage and calls himself the God of Shinobi. He's someone who's also been around for a long ass time... obviously and has garnered a ton of respect throughout all his years. Not to mention the fact that he was currently an Edo Tensei Zombie.
Taumaster, was the First Otokage and also an Edo Tensei Zombie. Considering the fact that he's been dead for a while, I haven't been able to really see him in action, but damn that mofo is smart as hell. He went through half the fight, not needing to do anything but stare.
Dart Terumi, while not a Kage, has been apart of the Kiri Council as an elder for years, served as Yonbin to two generations of Mizukage and is going up on his third with Gitsune. While one would say it was unsportsmanlike, it was a smart shinobi tactic to go invisible fight from there, otherwise the canon Mu wouldn't have been so feared. So, he has Kage quality in him.
Me, I just got here. I have the least experience among these fighters and yet I managed to not only survive the fight, but to also win the fight... without even thinking of quitting the fight. Did I git gud, better than these greats, or have their skills just been over-exaggerated? Possibly neither, considering I won on a technicality, but hey, I'm not gonna look that gift horse in the mouth. If the fight was actually a fight, then things could have been different and I would have actually had to work for that win.
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...If the fight was actually a fight, then things could have been different and I would have actually had to work for that win.
You held out the longest, that took some work as far as I am concerned.
"If it's a 1v1v1, then yes, that is bad behavior too. ;)"
Ok so you're a scrub.
"“Scrub”, or “skrub”, is an Internet slang term commonly used as a pejorative for someone who needlessly complains about unfair tactics used in multiplayer video games. The term is associated with players who lack the skill to overcome certain strategies, bearing many similarities to “noob”."
There is no "bad behavior". What should we do in this situation you described? Does one of the three people excuse themselves from the fight and let 1 and 2 duke it out till one of them is dead? Well then the person who won the first fight is going to be tired while the third person is still fresh, that doesn't seem "fair". Should they stand in a circle and throw punches at each other person 1 hitting 2, 2 hitting 3 and 3 hitting 1 until someone goes down? What's fair? There is no fair, it's a fight, just win.
If it's a multi-person fight you have to deal with possibly fighting multiple people at once. Why would I ever attack somebody who is on guard when I have the option of shooting another person in their blind spot? No it's not "fair" to the person who was too distracted to see my attack coming but that is literally what they signed up for.
People lost an FFA because they couldn't handle what such a melee entailed and are now complaining about the strategy they lost to and trying to call it unfair so it can be banned. Which is great because that doesn't make them any better at FFA's they'll still lose till they actually learn to fight.
You can win 1v2, 1v3, 1v4, it's been done before. It's hard, and you have to be good at fighting, but you can do it. However if you're currently not able to do that I could see how it seems much easier to just make it illegal for such a situation to occur rather than actually improving till you can handle it. So if that is what the majority thinks then so be it, it will just make it that much easier for the people who do excel at fighting.
You are missing the point Athos, and a big part of that is probably my own fault for not explaining better. Ive played World of Tanks and been on those forums, I know what the term "scrub" means and how it is usually used. Thanks for caring enough to get the def though.
The whole point is to control delibrate, pre-fight arrangements that have more bearing on OOC matters than practical IC matters.
Had the PMs showing the pre-battle arrangements not happened and by chance the fight advanced as it did, then the issue would not have been one of integrity but of bad luck or as you put it, an issue with skill.
But before the first fist was thrown even figuratively, several of the FFA participants had decided to actively work together and some did not, because the nature of the fight implied 1v1v1v1v1, not even a temporary 3v1v1 or 2v1v1v1.
To be clear, my biggest issue is with the premeditated " lets eliminate z and y" part before the fight even got underway. Ultimately the sportsmanship player-player is what I am shooting for. How the characters fight is not what I am aiming to regulate with my proposal.
Separating the characters fighting and the players playing, the goal is to maintain respect and honor among the players. The characters can backstab all they want for all I care, but the players should show more integrity towards each other.
That means not accusing people of being Bocchieres. That means not bringing a squad into deathmatch as if it is team deathmatch. That means not challenging people with every alt in your arsenal on every biju the host owns. That means not locking a thread for discussionn out of rage or indignation. That means not threatening to go after folks IRL if things dont go smooth.
I am no saint in this regard, of giving people all the respect I expect. As recent as a post ago really. But the intentions with this proposal are not about the characters we play as. It's about us, and how we treat each other.
If my proposal seems to the contrary, then let me know where so that I can fix it.
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I don't doubt that you care about sportsmanship Eric, merely that the people who started this to begin with have suddenly developed an interest in it.
Like I said though since any limitations placed are going to be universal in nature I don't really care that much. People three levels below me are still going to be three levels below me even if we're all lowered one level. So do whatever you guys want.
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Anyone else have anything constructive to add? Not 100% sure what we have now is going to be functional right out of the gate or not.
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To me, good sportsmanship is not taking things personal & start mud slinging in the arguments which ensue after challenges. Good sportsmanship is to try to make your point as objective as possible & then let the community decide what is 'right'. To me, good sportsmanship in these things is to try to work with the other player you're up against. If they have questions about what's happening, concerns, need elaboration, you do your best to aid in their comprehension & vice versa without getting into insults.
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To me, good sportsmanship is not taking things personal & start mud slinging in the arguments which ensue after challenges. Good sportsmanship is to try to make your point as objective as possible & then let the community decide what is 'right'. To me, good sportsmanship in these things is to try to work with the other player you're up against. If they have questions about what's happening, concerns, need elaboration, you do your best to aid in their comprehension & vice versa without getting into insults.
Word. If either party can't be civil during the discussion, then they need to take a time out with no chocolate milk... I had a lot of time outs with no chocolate milk in lil baby school. T.T
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To me, good sportsmanship is not taking things personal & start mud slinging in the arguments which ensue after challenges. Good sportsmanship is to try to make your point as objective as possible & then let the community decide what is 'right'. To me, good sportsmanship in these things is to try to work with the other player you're up against. If they have questions about what's happening, concerns, need elaboration, you do your best to aid in their comprehension & vice versa without getting into insults.
Word. If either party can't be civil during the discussion, then they need to take a time out with no chocolate milk... I had a lot of time outs with no chocolate milk in lil baby school. T.T
Funny, I just had some chocolate moo juice before reading this <3
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To me, good sportsmanship is not taking things personal & start mud slinging in the arguments which ensue after challenges. Good sportsmanship is to try to make your point as objective as possible & then let the community decide what is 'right'. To me, good sportsmanship in these things is to try to work with the other player you're up against. If they have questions about what's happening, concerns, need elaboration, you do your best to aid in their comprehension & vice versa without getting into insults.
Word. If either party can't be civil during the discussion, then they need to take a time out with no chocolate milk... I had a lot of time outs with no chocolate milk in lil baby school. T.T
Funny, I just had some chocolate moo juice before reading this <3
That sounds like... super dirty >.>
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To me, good sportsmanship is not taking things personal & start mud slinging in the arguments which ensue after challenges. Good sportsmanship is to try to make your point as objective as possible & then let the community decide what is 'right'. To me, good sportsmanship in these things is to try to work with the other player you're up against. If they have questions about what's happening, concerns, need elaboration, you do your best to aid in their comprehension & vice versa without getting into insults.
This.
Tactics and strategies employed does not count as sportsmanship. We are shinobi, ninja. Ninja fought dirty historically. We just happen to be magic ninja with magic abilities.
But going beyond trash-talking IC and spilling into OOC slander and harassment is when the sportsmanship is destroyed. Exactly what Tomi said, that's the sportsmanship in question. Simply, basic civility between all participants.