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Title: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Ѕhadow on April 17, 2015, 10:32:46 AM
This is not for debate or the likes. This is to list the people who claim FTG.

Please post names.

List:
Tommi -> Taught Shadow,Darkshinobi, Bocc, Kirk
Shadow - > No one
Darkshinobi - > Yukio, Rusaku, Naruto Uzumaki, Trev
Koji - > (Can't teach it)
Kirk - > ?
Yukio - > (Can't teach it)
Rusaku  - > (Can't teach it)
Naruto Uzumaki - > ?
Trev - > (Can't teach it)
Bocc (Gone) - > Tessuhai Tsuyo, Kamui
Kirk - > Koji
Tessuhai Tsuyo - > Ichirou, Tokujiro
Tokujiro - > ?
Kamui - > Hono
Hono - > (Can't teach it)
Ichirou - > ?
Athos - > Keito Uzumaki, Jayjay
Keito Uzumaki - > ?
Sabumaru - >
Jayjay - > ?
Kayenta - > ? (via Reversed Engineered)

** From the wikia: "The secrets of the Hiraishin are known to a select few."

Pft big ass lie right there.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Eric on April 17, 2015, 04:36:14 PM
Fairly certain Koji, Kirk, Ichirou, and Athos can be added to that list from what I'm aware of. I think Kayenta also claims to know hiraishin. Oh, and whoever inherited Bocc's stuff also claims it (I think that was Kamui).
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Keito Uzumaki on April 17, 2015, 06:52:10 PM
⇇ by courtesy of Athos.

BTdubs I don't plan on teaching it to anyone, after literal years of finally attaining it. >>;
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Ѕhadow on April 17, 2015, 08:06:09 PM
I will add names and see who taught who as more post.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: UettoSenju on April 20, 2015, 05:35:54 AM
I actually learned from Tomi. Not directly but from the scrolls he left behind and help of reading the scrolls. I did not reverse engineer the jutsu at all. Like I have said before the Senju Grand Tree holds a lot of secrets that people do not know about. Tomi also left behind a hard drive kind of wooden cube that held all his knowledge on everything... it could even think for itself. A type of artificial intelligence. Plus his chakra runs through the tree along with a portion of his spirit as does Nathan and mine.

At the time I talked to both Tomi and Dark in RL about my methods and they both found them official. Thus I became one of three at the time would could teach the jutsu and had no limitations.

Sometime after this I went on to teach Koji and that is how he knows it.

Once again I did not reverse engineer the jutsu as I have heard people say they have done. Tomi was in fact the one who guided me in learning the jutsu. His puesdo brain along with the spirit in the tree which I could talk to helped me learn to interpretate the scrolls he left behind in my meditation and research on the top floor of the SGT.

That also happens to be the place I host an army of Mokuton Clones much like that of White Zetsu and a few other secrets.

Currently rp wise I hold possession of all of Tomi's old artifacts and scrolls with the exception of the one's on the Rasengan. 
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Trev on April 20, 2015, 06:19:38 AM
From from Old Dark, can't teach.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Ѕhadow on April 20, 2015, 11:58:07 AM
Updated.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Eric on April 20, 2015, 01:20:59 PM
I think you're still forgetting Kayenta from the list. Other than that, I agree, the list of known hiraishin users is far larger than I originally thought.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Genesis on April 20, 2015, 10:00:59 PM
Isn't Tsuyo Manji? I dunno anymore.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Ѕhadow on April 20, 2015, 10:23:52 PM
Isn't Tsuyo Manji? I dunno anymore.

As of now he is Hanzo, but most people know him by his first, and most popular alias, Tsuyo.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: UettoSenju on April 21, 2015, 03:23:42 AM
Is there two Kirks at SL? Are am I just listed twice?

Kirk (RL name) = Uetto (charter name)

Also Koji can't teach.

And back when I learned it there where only three of us. Dark, Bocc, & me.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Ѕhadow on April 21, 2015, 06:24:32 AM
Is there two Kirks at SL? Are am I just listed twice?

Kirk (RL name) = Uetto (charter name)

Also Koji can't teach.

And back when I learned it there where only three of us. Dark, Bocc, & me.


Fixed. :P

Yes...it's weird how Dark made it out to be a rare tech, but seemed to give it away more than others.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Dart Terumī on April 21, 2015, 09:24:19 PM
Arriving late to the party because I've been on the fence on approaching this particular subject. Here's why:

Bocchiere gave me a copy of his copy of the schematics for the Hiraishin, however, I said I wouldn't claim its power unless an actual RP was initiated in learning it. So therefore, I cannot "claim" to know Hiraishin but I have the capability in doing so.

However, in light of this widespread knowledge, I wanted to see what y'all thought of that scenario. And where to go from there?
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Ѕhadow on April 21, 2015, 09:35:24 PM
Arriving late to the party because I've been on the fence on approaching this particular subject. Here's why:

Bocchiere gave me a copy of his copy of the schematics for the Hiraishin, however, I said I wouldn't claim its power unless an actual RP was initiated in learning it. So therefore, I cannot "claim" to know Hiraishin but I have the capability in doing so.

However, in light of this widespread knowledge, I wanted to see what y'all thought of that scenario. And where to go from there?

OOC does not correlate to IC.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Dart Terumī on April 21, 2015, 11:18:55 PM
Arriving late to the party because I've been on the fence on approaching this particular subject. Here's why:

Bocchiere gave me a copy of his copy of the schematics for the Hiraishin, however, I said I wouldn't claim its power unless an actual RP was initiated in learning it. So therefore, I cannot "claim" to know Hiraishin but I have the capability in doing so.

However, in light of this widespread knowledge, I wanted to see what y'all thought of that scenario. And where to go from there?

OOC does not correlate to IC.

And yet I'm sure a few people on here acquired it OOC to claim it IC. Just sayin'.

Either way, I'm cool with not actually possessing via that outlet. I'll find a way to obtain it via RP eventually.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Ѕhadow on April 21, 2015, 11:22:34 PM
Arriving late to the party because I've been on the fence on approaching this particular subject. Here's why:

Bocchiere gave me a copy of his copy of the schematics for the Hiraishin, however, I said I wouldn't claim its power unless an actual RP was initiated in learning it. So therefore, I cannot "claim" to know Hiraishin but I have the capability in doing so.

However, in light of this widespread knowledge, I wanted to see what y'all thought of that scenario. And where to go from there?

OOC does not correlate to IC.

And yet I'm sure a few people on here acquired it OOC to claim it IC. Just sayin'.

Either way, I'm cool with not actually possessing via that outlet. I'll find a way to obtain it via RP eventually.

True that. Thank you for taking a different way ob obtaining it though. ~
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Genesis on April 23, 2015, 07:31:14 AM
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Reversed Engineered? (Still not sure how this works)
Kayenta

I think that if you are going to list me it should be without disparaging commentary or just keep me off your list.

I know what I have and why I have it, that is more than enough.

TL;DR

Take your commentary off from where my name is listed or remove my name completely.

I doubt Shadow meant it to be derogatory and I'm pretty sure he wrote that with innocent intentions.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Ѕhadow on April 23, 2015, 07:36:00 AM
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Reversed Engineered? (Still not sure how this works)
Kayenta

I think that if you are going to list me it should be without disparaging commentary or just keep me off your list.

I know what I have and why I have it, that is more than enough.

TL;DR

Take your commentary off from where my name is listed or remove my name completely.

Disparaging? Because I still don't see how it works? Everyone has their opinions Kayenta and I will not remove mine just because you see something wrong with it.

I put a personal note that I didn't get it. Anyone else who claims to have reversed engineered it will be put under the same sub-category. I don't care who they are. You are not getting treated bad just because you reversed engineered it. That's not why I put it apart from the others.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Eric on April 24, 2015, 02:20:03 AM
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Reversed Engineered? (Still not sure how this works)
Kayenta

I think that if you are going to list me it should be without disparaging commentary or just keep me off your list.

I know what I have and why I have it, that is more than enough.

TL;DR

Take your commentary off from where my name is listed or remove my name completely.

Disparaging? Because I still don't see how it works? Everyone has their opinions Kayenta and I will not remove mine just because you see something wrong with it.

I put a personal note that I didn't get it. Anyone else who claims to have reversed engineered it will be put under the same sub-category. I don't care who they are. You are not getting treated bad just because you reversed engineered it. That's not why I put it apart from the others.


There was like, a whole thread on the topic: http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8376.30.html

 If you still don't understand how reverse engineering hiraishin works, then I suspect you either rejected all of the explanation(s) or would like a condensed version.

In short, with a sample of the technique, it is possible to take it apart and figure out how it was put together. Real life people do/did this sort of thing all the time (*cough* China *cough* Rome *cough* United States of America *cough*) with either the original models or with clues provided by what pieces of information they could obtain.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Ѕhadow on April 24, 2015, 03:34:51 AM
Quote
Reversed Engineered? (Still not sure how this works)
Kayenta

I think that if you are going to list me it should be without disparaging commentary or just keep me off your list.

I know what I have and why I have it, that is more than enough.

TL;DR

Take your commentary off from where my name is listed or remove my name completely.

Disparaging? Because I still don't see how it works? Everyone has their opinions Kayenta and I will not remove mine just because you see something wrong with it.

I put a personal note that I didn't get it. Anyone else who claims to have reversed engineered it will be put under the same sub-category. I don't care who they are. You are not getting treated bad just because you reversed engineered it. That's not why I put it apart from the others.


There was like, a whole thread on the topic: http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8376.30.html

 If you still don't understand how reverse engineering hiraishin works, then I suspect you either rejected all of the explanation(s) or would like a condensed version.

In short, with a sample of the technique, it is possible to take it apart and figure out how it was put together. Real life people do/did this sort of thing all the time (*cough* China *cough* Rome *cough* United States of America *cough*) with either the original models or with clues provided by what pieces of information they could obtain.

More so I don't get why it's allowed, but everyone else doesn't mind it so I cannot just neglect it because I don't like it.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Teostra on April 24, 2015, 05:14:43 AM
More so I don't get why it's allowed, but everyone else doesn't mind it so I cannot just neglect it because I don't like it.

It's allowed because it's both do-able and also makes things interesting. Heck, you could almost consider reverse-engineering jutsu canon considering that Oro in a way learned how to do Edo in a similar way. A lot of the jutsu he learned was through experimentation and devilish means.
Plus, that opens up RP channels for people who want to have scientist-like characters like myself >_>
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Suishou Koji on April 24, 2015, 05:37:25 AM
I'm glad I can't teach Hiraishin. I'd be spammed with messages otherwise.

More so I don't get why it's allowed, but everyone else doesn't mind it so I cannot just neglect it because I don't like it.

It's allowed because it's both do-able and also makes things interesting. Heck, you could almost consider reverse-engineering jutsu canon considering that Oro in a way learned how to do Edo in a similar way. A lot of the jutsu he learned was through experimentation and devilish means.
Plus, that opens up RP channels for people who want to have scientist-like characters like myself >_>
A fair point on Teo's side.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Eric on April 24, 2015, 07:29:24 AM

More so I don't get why it's allowed, but everyone else doesn't mind it so I cannot just neglect it because I don't like it.

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Reversed Engineered? (Still not sure how this works)...

Then I can see why Kayenta took offense to this line. I think just "Reverse Engineered" or simply adding her to the main list is reasonable.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Ryu on April 24, 2015, 08:15:30 PM
The whole reverse engineering process just seems questionsble.

If you can learn a technique like Hiraishin by just "reverse engineering" it then it loses it's recognition as a lethal technique and becomes equal to the bunshin jutsu, a technique that is only effective if you know how to use it.

If this is being accepted then Hiraishin is as good as mine, not that I want it.

Reverse engineering isn't even simple enough for this to be possible since each Hiraishin user has their own seal, from my understanding, making it almost impossible to decipher the technique unless you are the person himself. Also it isn't a machine where you can take it apart and figure it out. It is a sealing formula which could just be something the user made from the top of his head and can't be found in any scrolls.

So Shadow( or Madara >>) would be right in not understanding how it works because no one is giving a good enough reason for how reverse engineering the technique is a valid option. Anyone up for reverse engineering Edo Tensei?
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Dart Terumī on April 24, 2015, 09:37:05 PM

I don't see what is so difficult to understand about that. Kotetsu can make a mechanical arm that uses chakra to cause it to move with life like reality. And that is fine. how did he do it? With his blacksmithing and crafting skill.

I used my sealing skill. Warren uses his Sage skill for his things. Kamui uses his Uchiha skills for his things. Isaribi uses his Suiton skills for his things. Gitsune her Kayguya skills and so on and so forth. There is not Kaguya make a bone gate for the village jutsu. And yet Kiri now has one. And it is pretty darned fine in my book.

Eiko made the bone gates. Gitsune doesn't possess the Shikotsumyaku.
Irrelevant, I know.

Anywho, when Kay first learned the technique, I confronted her on it because I was a similar mind as some of you guys about it. However, after she explained her process and reading over the RP for it, well, it's pretty legit and we have to accept that.

The only way could reverse-engineer it is if someone was foolish enough to just leave the seal scattered about. Now, I'm not giving an approval for a mass amount of people to go out and start reverse-engineer leaning it just this second, but if a chance allows itself and your character actually is a fūinjutsu specialist (not just decided on the spot; someone who has RP'd the entire time as an actual specialist with people to support that claim), and they discover someone's Hirasihin seal, then proceed to go through the MONTHS that she went through to break it down and learn it trial and error, then I would recognize their dedication and RP.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Ѕhadow on April 24, 2015, 11:24:52 PM
I have not read the replies yet and won't for a few hours, but I changed the list. However I'm still putting Reversed Engineered next to your name as a way of knowing how this person got that thing.

EDIT: Read it.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: UettoSenju on April 25, 2015, 03:46:00 AM
The only issue I have with reverse engineer I that it was not stated in te manga it could be done. I feel if it could then it would have. I'm sure Oro could have done it if it could have been done.

I just think it is something that must be taught or learned from a scroll. I figur that the 4th learned it from a scroll left by the 2nd.

I can't say it isn't possible I just think highly highly unlikely unless the manga was to show some example of it.


Other then that I find it interesting all these people have FTG an have no idea what it's true meanin is. Or how to truly use it. Hell not even Dark probably knows or recalls.  #SenjuGrandTree
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Trev on April 25, 2015, 03:57:57 AM
If this is gonna be allowed, someone should edit the wiki, written by Dark on the wiki.

"As they're composed of chakra, all Hiraishin seals are able to be sensed or viewed by those with sensory or ocular prowess, respectively. However, the Hiraishin seals cannot be reverse-engineered, copied or cloned in any way."

I don't care if it's allowed or not, but if it is, this should be changed. That way Kayenta isn't in direct violation of the rules, and thus could stop being pursued by people following the "rules". Though I do see where they're coming from, as I'd defend the Edo Tensei rules if they were broken.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Genesis on April 25, 2015, 04:19:02 AM
I'm fine Kay having it, but damn, I need to program some Antivirus fuinjutsu into my Hirashin now...
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Eric on April 25, 2015, 04:22:57 AM
The whole reverse engineering process just seems questionsble.

If you can learn a technique like Hiraishin by just "reverse engineering" it then it loses it's recognition as a lethal technique and becomes equal to the bunshin jutsu, a technique that is only effective if you know how to use it.

If this is being accepted then Hiraishin is as good as mine, not that I want it.

Reverse engineering isn't even simple enough for this to be possible since each Hiraishin user has their own seal, from my understanding, making it almost impossible to decipher the technique unless you are the person himself. Also it isn't a machine where you can take it apart and figure it out. It is a sealing formula which could just be something the user made from the top of his head and can't be found in any scrolls.

So Shadow( or Madara >>) would be right in not understanding how it works because no one is giving a good enough reason for how reverse engineering the technique is a valid option. Anyone up for reverse engineering Edo Tensei?


Every technique is limited by the experience and expertise of the user. Even hiraishin.

Quote
... What makes hiraishin so special is that it does not require any handsigns to create nor to use, and does not harm the user upon usage. Since the seals are typically not all that well protected by the average user, gaining access to one of them is not a once in a lifetime opportunity. It is also specifically designated as using a technique formula, so most if not all of the information regarding the intricicies of the technique can likely be found in each hiraishin seal. Conversely, all that could be in it is the users' chakra and nothing more, but I find that unlikely.

This reverse engineering is seeming more BS to me. 'Decoding' the seal doesn't automatically grant you the ability to use the jutsu in my opinion let alone if you could decode it. What info are you going on that allows you to pick apart the seal? Each Hiraishin seal is unique to the user. Of course there would be similarities for the teleport part, but all else would differ as said. As far as I know the secrets are kept to the users and no one has rp'ed giving the general knowledge of breaking down the seal.

And for those 'seal' masters out there who broke it down. I once again ask what info are you going off of? I don't imagine there's a book you all use to decode it.


Tl;Dr: The answer is literally in the technique, or in the case of hiraishin, in the technique formula.


Well, although it is never really explained in the series, Minato got hiraishin no jutsu from somewhere. The 2nd Hokage created the technique, and Minato was definitely not old enough to have learned directly from him, so unless there were a lineage of hiraishin users that never got introduced, Minato either learned it from a scroll or reverse engineered it.

Hiraishin is the same jutsu almost no matter who uses it. The differences between the technique formulas would either be to different dimenional voids (in line with the different pocket dimenison of Kamui line of thinking) or simply because, like writing a piece of code, each iteration of hiraishin follows a basic formula, but structures it slightly differently.

When decoding/decrypting a technique formula of any type, be it fuinjutsu or otherwise, the key is that the derived technique is either the original technique (including original formula) or a modified version based off of the original technique. Techniques similar to it can be invented without the original code, but that's not reverse engineering, that's just coming up with a different way to do the same thing without having a sample to work with, which would likely take longer than just borrowing someone else's code.

A space-time ninjutsu has to have a few basic principles in the narutoveres to make it function:

1) How does it teleport the user from place to place?

2) How does it determine the area of effect?

3) How fast does it move the user, and does this have any detrimental effects on the user?

4) What is the mode of inscription (seals) if any for the technique?

5) Is the technique a two-way streak, in that one can go to and from the different dimension that may or may not serve as a medium between teleportation.

In a technique formula where all the user has to do is think (literally, at will people put forth) most of this information has to be found in the technique formula, or otherwise has to be formed by the user manually.

Take these two examples:

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Flying_Thunder_Formation_Technique

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Flying_Thunder_God_Technique

The former demonstrates the use of handseals and a specific formation in combination with the marker on Tsunade. The hiraishin mark on her serves as the desstination, while the formation serves as the area of effect (more likely than not, Tsunade could also be brought to the platoon via this jutsu, but I'm not sure).

The latter is literally think and it is done.

In the case of Kamui, all of this information would be stored in the eye. Hence, "decoding" Kamui is next to impossible unless you start becoming a biological genius who can decrypt cell information as if it were the written word, and even then, you would need a living sample in order to observe its function from start to finish for the most accurate record keeping purposes.


For those who do not use hiraishin directly to decode, it is a matter of speculation. The summoning jutsu, if it were condenesd into a technique formula (as my Jounin Exams fight presented) can be a knock-off hiraishin that, with some tweaks, could rival it presuming knowledge of will-activated technique formulas is known to the user...


Except for the detail that both of the cited hiraishin techniques are, by and large, the same technique, the rest of the above quote is pretty much my take on it.

I'm fine Kay having it, but damn, I need to program some Antivirus fuinjutsu into my Hirashin now...

Funnily enough, Tommi had a way to pirate other user's hiraishin marks, so if someone who knew hiraishin wanted to use your mark, I think you would need a DoS counter-attack of sorts that would emit the moment someone attempted to hack into it.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Ryu on April 25, 2015, 07:12:13 AM
The whole reverse engineering process just seems questionsble.

If you can learn a technique like Hiraishin by just "reverse engineering" it then it loses it's recognition as a lethal technique and becomes equal to the bunshin jutsu, a technique that is only effective if you know how to use it.

If this is being accepted then Hiraishin is as good as mine, not that I want it.

Reverse engineering isn't even simple enough for this to be possible since each Hiraishin user has their own seal, from my understanding, making it almost impossible to decipher the technique unless you are the person himself. Also it isn't a machine where you can take it apart and figure it out. It is a sealing formula which could just be something the user made from the top of his head and can't be found in any scrolls.

So Shadow( or Madara >>) would be right in not understanding how it works because no one is giving a good enough reason for how reverse engineering the technique is a valid option. Anyone up for reverse engineering Edo Tensei?


Every technique is limited by the experience and expertise of the user. Even hiraishin.

Minato and Tobirama both have two very district sealing formulas, giving enough reason to assume that each user is capable of wielding their own seal.
And you can't teleport to another user's seal unless you have linked yourself with them.
(http://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/5/5d/Flying_Thunder_God_Technique.png/revision/latest/thumbnail-down/width/340/height/340?cb=20150308034703&format=webp)
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Eric on April 25, 2015, 07:25:44 AM
The whole reverse engineering process just seems questionsble.

If you can learn a technique like Hiraishin by just "reverse engineering" it then it loses it's recognition as a lethal technique and becomes equal to the bunshin jutsu, a technique that is only effective if you know how to use it.

If this is being accepted then Hiraishin is as good as mine, not that I want it.

Reverse engineering isn't even simple enough for this to be possible since each Hiraishin user has their own seal, from my understanding, making it almost impossible to decipher the technique unless you are the person himself. Also it isn't a machine where you can take it apart and figure it out. It is a sealing formula which could just be something the user made from the top of his head and can't be found in any scrolls.

So Shadow( or Madara >>) would be right in not understanding how it works because no one is giving a good enough reason for how reverse engineering the technique is a valid option. Anyone up for reverse engineering Edo Tensei?


Every technique is limited by the experience and expertise of the user. Even hiraishin.

Minato and Tobirama both have two very district sealing formulas, giving enough reason to assume that each user is capable of wielding their own seal.
And you can't teleport to another user's seal unless you have linked yourself with them.
(http://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/naruto/images/5/5d/Flying_Thunder_God_Technique.png)

Even if they can wield their own seal, it's still the same technique. The only differing parameter is the chakra as far as I'm concerned. The only way anything else could be significantly different would be if Minato discovered hiraishin completely on his own, in which case that's an even greater sin than pirating the techinque imho.

 Additionally, how you link yourself to another's hiraishin network was shown long after Tommi had invented a way to hack into other people's hiraishin, and still, to an extent, holds up even after that to some extent.


Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Dart Terumī on April 25, 2015, 10:56:26 AM
If this is gonna be allowed, someone should edit the wiki, written by Dark on the wiki.

"As they're composed of chakra, all Hiraishin seals are able to be sensed or viewed by those with sensory or ocular prowess, respectively. However, the Hiraishin seals cannot be reverse-engineered, copied or cloned in any way."

I don't care if it's allowed or not, but if it is, this should be changed. That way Kayenta isn't in direct violation of the rules, and thus could stop being pursued by people following the "rules". Though I do see where they're coming from, as I'd defend the Edo Tensei rules if they were broken.

As I'm on my iPhone and haven't actually been able to figure out the wikia's mobile format, I cannot see when that article was updated last.

However! I am fairly certainly that it was edited after the fact when Dark tried to strip Kay from having the knowledge of it.

Would have to ask those two to get on and comment to find out.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Ѕhadow on April 25, 2015, 06:14:34 PM
I don't think most people care if Kayenta has it or not. She's not someone who'll flaunt it around or even use it let alone teach anyone else it. Though I'm speaking what I think and she may think differently, but that's just the way I see her with it.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Dart Terumī on April 25, 2015, 07:07:18 PM
I don't think most people care if Kayenta has it or not. She's not someone who'll flaunt it around or even use it let alone teach anyone else it. Though I'm speaking what I think and she may think differently, but that's just the way I see her with it.

Like she said, she has only ever used it twice. So yup, yup!
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Trev on April 25, 2015, 09:33:37 PM
I understand your logic and reasoning Kay, but idk, I just think some jutsu need to be wrapped up. Not to exclude other players, but because abuse level is high for those specific jutsu.

I mean with hiraishin, it doesn't matter to me, it's too far gone. I mean Edo Tensei is like that where you can't teach it if you're master is alive (Note I no longer have Edo, so I'm not just saying it to keep it to myself).

So I certainly think some jutsu needs to be limited, though I will say that I don't agree with everything on the claimed list, so things/most need to be open for everyone.

But if people do accept you as using hiraishin, I say remove that rule from the wiki. No sense in having a rule, if it's false.

But people will keep rolling how they wish, so matters not to me.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Ryu on April 26, 2015, 02:45:47 AM
I agree with Trev. I don't really care who has the jutsu, what doesn't sit well with me is how easily the jutsu is coming to be obtained.

I actually take an engineering class at my school so I know how the whole thing works. Science and math. Tons of it..

Back to the point, whoever has the technique now is irrelevant to me. I just want it to be so that a ton of people do not have it at some point that it loses its worth, kind of like sharingan.. Although it is probably too late.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Eric on April 26, 2015, 05:48:27 AM
Yes and I took all sorts of science [astronomy, physics, geology - historical- physical and structural, mineralogy and petrography, petrophysics and core lab, sedementology and stratigraphy, invertebrate and vertebrate paelontology] physics and math, calculus, diffy-Q, chemistry and many others as well as tutoring physics and the previously mentioned courses, while obtaining my BS degree in geology and graduating with honors and was awarded a prestigious prize. Yes, I am the winner of the Muckety-muck-blah-blah award. [the name was changed to protect my identity and location in the real world]

The point being?

So what?

This is a fantasy RP. Nothing in it makes sense in the physical world. Watch me spew a water jet out of my mouth now! *forms kata and intones Suiton: Haidoro Panpu [Water Release: Hydro Pump] and an extremely powerful and regular jet of water shoots from my mouth that can blow the enemy away and even pin them with its force to a wall as it crushes them.*

I make believe Kayenta has the expertise to do this. I actually write an rp, extensive rp, to go through all the hard work of figuring it out. And I accomplish it before some 'owner' of the canon jutsu decides I am no longer good people and that a rule needs to be created to say it's impossible to be done...they make believe that Kayenta cannot.

It is reasonable in the real world that I can decompose a compound down into its components and identify them, then take those elements to create the compound anew.



Well, if all the water came from the atmosphere, you might could find a scientific explanation for how you can shoot that much water at high pressure.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Becquerel on April 26, 2015, 06:10:38 AM
Well, if all the water came from the atmosphere, you might could find a scientific explanation for how you can shoot that much water at high pressure.

I tried to stay away from this thread because all this bickering is just asinine, but I read this and had to post. That's really, really stupid. You know how much water would be required to blow water out of your mouth stronger than a firehose?
Basically, you'd end up making the whole city (maybe more) around you completely dry. Probably have to pull moisture out of the soil too to get it to work. People should stop trying to force science into a fictional world where it doesn't belong...And this is coming from a guy who RPs as an android.
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Eric on April 26, 2015, 02:59:21 PM
Well, if all the water came from the atmosphere, you might could find a scientific explanation for how you can shoot that much water at high pressure.

I tried to stay away from this thread because all this bickering is just asinine, but I read this and had to post. That's really, really stupid. You know how much water would be required to blow water out of your mouth stronger than a firehose?
Basically, you'd end up making the whole city (maybe more) around you completely dry. Probably have to pull moisture out of the soil too to get it to work. People should stop trying to force science into a fictional world where it doesn't belong...And this is coming from a guy who RPs as an android.

One shot wonders are still wonders, especially if caught on camera.  :D  It would also probably be pretty tiring as well, cause you know, magic is unexplained science much of the time, not to mention it would be more practical to do it near a large water source in a humid area instead of trying it in a concrete jungle with variable humidity.

Since also there were no specifics on how far the wall is from the individual, you might not have to expel this force a city block in order to technically follow the criteria of Kayenta's jutsu and still stick within the realm of possibility. You might just 3 feet as a range  8)

I don't joke off topic very often, but when I do, I tend to get the cricket audience's applause. I think I am starting to prefer the crickets.   :smt069

I agree with Trev. I don't really care who has the jutsu, what doesn't sit well with me is how easily the jutsu is coming to be obtained.

I actually take an engineering class at my school so I know how the whole thing works. Science and math. Tons of it..

Back to the point, whoever has the technique now is irrelevant to me. I just want it to be so that a ton of people do not have it at some point that it loses its worth, kind of like sharingan.. Although it is probably too late.

It's never too late, because there could always be more users of it.  ;)
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Suishou Koji on April 26, 2015, 03:18:13 PM
 :shock:
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Ryu on April 27, 2015, 02:07:08 AM
I was explaining what engineering was, no need for the autobiography. Although I guess I got a better understanding of what kind of person you are. Which is cool too.

This entire thing went nowhere, It is now actually irrelevant to my original argument. >>
Title: Re: Hiraishin (flying Thunder God) LIST
Post by: Ѕhadow on April 27, 2015, 03:14:00 AM
Locking. If you have a good reason to re-open message me. :P