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Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: Ѕhadow on June 25, 2014, 09:11:21 AM
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Even though I am going to be semi-inactive for the most part for the upcoming 10 days. (Please look to Bijuu recall edition topic) I want to address this. (Right word to use? I dunno, tired)
Anywho I'd like a link or something detailing it and such. Why? Because this ties into some things. Like if I have the Kusanagi since it was Oro's can I put it in such a way only Oto nin can have it? Based off what I've heard the SSM swords are now only able to be used by Kiri nin due to Gitsune placing the seal/scroll thing on it. (If none of this is true please point where I'm wrong)
This, just in the wide arrange of things, doesn't seem fair and if I am allowed to restrict items to only those within a certain village then I will kill this topic. So does it have to be a canon scroll that has been shown or what?
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From the wiki
"The current Second Seat has placed seals on the swords to ensure that they will not fall into the hands of people who are not a part of the Seven Swordsmen. The seals shall automatically activate and will seal back the swords into the scroll during the instances when the current holder of a Seven Swordsman sword:
Dies in battle;
Is removed from the group;
Is under probation (case-to-case basis);
Decides to trade the sword to someone outside the group;
More to come."
So it's the seal more than the scroll. The only thing that seems dumb is the last one. Does the seal read your mind and can tell when you're thinking about giving the sword away? Honestly that would not be a stretch considering the things Kiri claims.
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From the wiki
"The current Second Seat has placed seals on the swords to ensure that they will not fall into the hands of people who are not a part of the Seven Swordsmen. The seals shall automatically activate and will seal back the swords into the scroll during the instances when the current holder of a Seven Swordsman sword:
Dies in battle;
Is removed from the group;
Is under probation (case-to-case basis);
Decides to trade the sword to someone outside the group;
More to come."
So it's the seal more than the scroll. The only thing that seems dumb is the last one. Does the seal read your mind and can tell when you're thinking about giving the sword away? Honestly that would not be a stretch considering the things Kiri claims.
Thank you for finding that, I'm incompetent it seems. Anyways that is what I'm referring to.
To me it is complete BS. In order for it not to be then everything should be able to have a village only restriction which in turn would demolish a lot of stuff claimed. Due to these seals there is NO WAY for Kiri to ever lose these swords. What kind of shit is that? If a sword holder goes and hunts another ninja down and happens to use a sword in the battle, end up dying, the guy can't get the spoils (The sword)?
Like Bocc said can the seal mind read? (Oh well, this hand isn't the original owners, better go back to Kiri) Besides Samehada none are sentient at all.
Honestly if this is to be accepted. The kusanagi will be only held by Oto nin. Too tired to look for more examples to use.
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Gonna be kind of a moot point when we take the scroll that the swords warp back to, but yeah, it's dumb.
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Gonna be kind of a moot point when we take the scroll that the swords warp back to, but yeah, it's dumb.
Pretty sure since Gitsune has it. (Doesn't rp) That will never happen. So when I seal the Kusanagi I'll give the scroll to Alan. (Inactive Otogakure nin) Lolz.
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Gonna be kind of a moot point when we take the scroll that the swords warp back to, but yeah, it's dumb.
Pretty sure since Gitsune has it. (Doesn't rp) That will never happen. So when I seal the Kusanagi I'll give the scroll to Alan. (Inactive Otogakure nin) Lolz.
According to all the wiki sources the scroll is just sitting in Kiri.
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Gonna be kind of a moot point when we take the scroll that the swords warp back to, but yeah, it's dumb.
Pretty sure since Gitsune has it. (Doesn't rp) That will never happen. So when I seal the Kusanagi I'll give the scroll to Alan. (Inactive Otogakure nin) Lolz.
According to all the wiki sources the scroll is just sitting in Kiri.
At which point they can claim it to be with Xia's grandma who just happens to be on vacation in Demon country on the other continent. Honestly though, last I knew Gitsune was sitting on it like a mother hen.
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I dont know where you saw that.
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If I recall correctly I talked to Gitsune or someone who said that she was the one that held the scroll since she made it. Hahahaha. Actually I think it was good 'ole Dart himself.
EDIT: Once again I'm incompetent.
From the wikia; "The swords can be held in a summoning scroll, which is currently sealed away in the Seven Swordsmen Treasury."
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Well, as Bocc put it, a seal was specifically put on it to make it difficult for Kiri to lose. You would have to break that seal before claiming it as an outsider, albeit, that would be difficult too considering how the seal has the ability to warp stuff off literally at the whim of the user.
A space-time barrier of some sort, or a anti-fuinjutsu barrier erected over the SSM member might would work too.
I say that if Kiri can do it with their swords, then Kumo could do it with their treasured tools, Suna their puppets/fans, etc. I guess the only question is, is that something that we really want to be more widespread?
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It would take some serious meta gaming to remove one of these seals by placing an anti-space time barrier or something >> If one were to legitimately, they'd basically have to win one twice. One to see that it disappears, and another to erect a barrier preventing this (Which most people don't have).
But I don't really want this to be widespread, it ruins the point of a claimed list. I'm fine with counter measures to theft being placed, but these are too much.
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It would take some serious meta gaming to remove one of these seals by placing an anti-space time barrier or something >> If one were to legitimately, they'd basically have to win one twice. One to see that it disappears, and another to erect a barrier preventing this (Which most people don't have).
But I don't really want this to be widespread, it ruins the point of a claimed list. I'm fine with counter measures to theft being placed, but these are too much.
Welcome to Kiri! :D
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So since wide-scale village only claims would ruin a lot of claims. I vote to make Kiri;
- Have the seal/scroll removed altogether.
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Allow me to summarize Kiri's response to this topic for you. They aren't gonna care at all. Isa will post here and tell us they can do whatever they want.
(http://www.411mania.com/siteimages2/gdm5&1rock_1.png)
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Allow me to summarize Kiri's response to this topic for you. They aren't gonna care at all. Isa will post here and tell us they can do whatever they want.
(http://www.411mania.com/siteimages2/gdm5&1rock_1.png)
Bocci be a doll and after you kill every last one of them, blow the doors off the treasury and get the scroll. I'm sure you can mind read Dart or someone to figure out about them. That is, as a last case scenario.
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Allow me to summarize Kiri's response to this topic for you. They aren't gonna care at all. Isa will post here and tell us they can do whatever they want.
(http://www.411mania.com/siteimages2/gdm5&1rock_1.png)
Bocci be a doll and after you kill every last one of them, blow the doors off the treasury and get the scroll. I'm sure you can mind read Dart or someone to figure out about them. That is, as a last case scenario.
That was pretty much the plan.
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It would take some serious meta gaming to remove one of these seals by placing an anti-space time barrier or something >> If one were to legitimately, they'd basically have to win one twice. One to see that it disappears, and another to erect a barrier preventing this (Which most people don't have).
But I don't really want this to be widespread, it ruins the point of a claimed list. I'm fine with counter measures to theft being placed, but these are too much.
Lol, no, no it does not take extreme metagaming in order to do that. Minor metagaming would do.
Seals use chakra. A sharingan even could see the seal whilst fighting the SSM; throw in Byakugan, Rinnegan, and any other sensitive chakra sensory method and you can tell when there is a seal on there. Now, as for knowing what it does, you could claim to have known from a previous victim of the struggle who had the prize ripped away from them at the last moment.
If you really want to get trolly, point out that different seals have different signatures. Someone like Dark (expert particularly in space-time ninjutsu and technique formulas), with a byakugan, could decipher that some sort of space-time effect might happen, among some of the other things listed.
I mean, some minor metagaming is simply the norm nowadays, but it would not take that much metagaming to prepare for the possibilities. After all, if your foe attempts to use some sort of warping technique, that would give you reason to erect the barrier. Or ya know, just in case kind of thing.
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It seems pretty fair to me for a village to create a seal for items that belong to them. Especially when you consider that Hiraishin users have been doing this for years without any complaints at all.
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It seems pretty fair to me for a village to create a seal for items that belong to them. Especially when you consider that Hiraishin users have been doing this for years without any complaints at all.
What? No, we're talking about items here not jutsu or I'd claim edo to be Oto nin only also.
FTG is not just Konohagakure based. As Shinko and myself are outsiders and still have, also Bocci.
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Meh, it's still major metagaming unless you somehow through past experience or someone told you what the seal does. As for the trolly part about what noting the difference between different kinds of seals, well that quite frankly is a stretch. In Kiri would likely void and if it went to a judge, likely wouldn't be supported.
In response to kage, cause I don't feel like quoting. I'm fine with them having a seal to resummon the items, but to have it go into effect as soon as someone dies or something is a bit of a stretch. I'd rather see someone get reverse summoned to the item, so they can defend it or something.
Also lots of people contest hiraishin, it's just you won't convince Dark or Konoha to give up on those rules. I know of few people that if they caught a hiraishin user, they would attempt to take the jutsu and contest the failsafe as they believe it to be not fair/ridiculous.
Like I said, they have a right to try and prevent it from leaving, just don't be ridiculous.
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Meh, it's still major metagaming unless you somehow through past experience or someone told you what the seal does. As for the trolly part about what noting the difference between different kinds of seals, well that quite frankly is a stretch. In Kiri would likely void and if it went to a judge, likely wouldn't be supported.
In response to kage, cause I don't feel like quoting. I'm fine with them having a seal to resummon the items, but to have it go into effect as soon as someone dies or something is a bit of a stretch. I'd rather see someone get reverse summoned to the item, so they can defend it or something.
Also lots of people contest hiraishin, it's just you won't convince Dark or Konoha to give up on those rules. I know of few people that if they caught a hiraishin user, they would attempt to take the jutsu and contest the failsafe as they believe it to be not fair/ridiculous.
Like I said, they have a right to try and prevent it from leaving, just don't be ridiculous.
Jiraiya was able to analyze the seal binding the Nine-tails to Naruto (granted, it's sizeable once revealed) and notice Orochimaru's interference, so picking apart a seal is not exactly rocket science to begin with.
Granted, he was famaliar with Oro's, but he also knew how the 4th's seal worked one way or another without himself having put the seal on there. How he got that knowledge slips the mind, but I think the point is there.
Kiri can void that "stretch" all they want, but at the same time, we can play the voiding game all day and still get no further than where we started. Without there being a method to remove the seal, then frankly, I see no reason why they can guard their swords in such a manner, and would be willing to void the whole Mist contract thing to begin with.
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According to RP...
Kotetsu recalled all of the SSM swords into the scroll and it is in his house under Shima Umioso's care. No one rp'd getting it and there you have it.
People just didn't like having to deal with me in a sane manner and so voided reality and god modded the issue into the manner in which they wished it to be.
So...basically you do what you want with anything on SL. It's been adopted into our history in this manner. If you can get one person to agree to it, there you have it.
(http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/The+council+of+Elrond_b35d9a_4410572.jpg)
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First off the rules of FTG are just to keep everyone at SL from being able to self teach themselves the jutsu. Cause everyone would for the most part. Much like Edo. It is not that those outside of Konoha can not learn he jutsu but rather it is hard to get one who can teach it to do such. I thought Koji and he is a Kumo Shinobi so that prove it is not restricted to Konoha.
Second I laughed at this. Really I thought Kiri had more pride and grit to them than to do something like that. Why not just protect your stuff the good old way by fighting those who come to take it? This seems like a cheap way out to me. Next we will see people doing this to tailed beast or something lol.
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First off the rules of FTG are just to keep everyone at SL from being able to self teach themselves the jutsu. Cause everyone would for the most part. Much like Edo. It is not that those outside of Konoha can not learn he jutsu but rather it is hard to get one who can teach it to do such. I thought Koji and he is a Kumo Shinobi so that prove it is not restricted to Konoha.
Second I laughed at this. Really I thought Kiri had more pride and grit to them than to do something like that. Why not just protect your stuff the good old way by fighting those who come to take it? This seems like a cheap way out to me. Next we will see people doing this to tailed beast or something lol.
I'm pretty sure that's the intent. They don't want to have to ever actually worry about losing them.
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Meh, there is one particular rule of hiraishin some people don't like, a few of Dark's rules weren't applied to you Uetto since you can teach and such, etc. I was going to post them, but this is a SSM Scroll thread
OT: Pretty much, and I think like five of the swords are currently not in use and some haven't been for quite some time, pretty much taken from the game. According the their wiki page, only two are out and the players aren't that active. I'm fine with some safeguards, but it being brought back for
Dies in battle;
Is removed from the group;
Is under probation (case-to-case basis);
Decides to trade the sword to someone outside the group;
This is too much
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Of those who voted, the majority wants them to modify what the seal/scroll does. In such a way that they can safeguard them, but not be totally BS about it. That being, people can steal them. I will send a mail to the current holders, Xia, and anyone else I may need to. Thereafter they will either come here and argue their points to keep it, not come here and fix it without an issue (lolz), or completely get rid of it. I think the first is probably the choice here.
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Well for one, being the Mizukage means I have reign over the country, not the SSM group. They are a separate entity from the ranks and only follow orders when needed. If anything, Mioku is the best one to contact and get in touch with those on how they will modify and/or keep things as is(depending on what they will do actually). Plus, keeping myself out of SSM affairs prevents corruption from within.
Other then that, I have been looking over the actual Naruto Wiki to find out more on this. Give me a little time.
And what the hell is the name of that scroll as well?
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Well for one, being the Mizukage means I have reign over the country, not the SSM group. They are a separate entity from the ranks and only follow orders when needed. If anything, Mioku is the best one to contact and get in touch with those on how they will modify and/or keep things as is(depending on what they will do actually). Plus, keeping myself out of SSM affairs prevents corruption from within.
Other then that, I have been looking over the actual Naruto Wiki to find out more on this. Give me a little time.
And what the hell is the name of that scroll as well?
It's literally called "Unnamed Scroll" it's on the claims list under the scrolls section.
The seal the stops the swords from being stolen is on the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist page though.
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I understand the desire to keep the swords in Kiri...it's perfectly rational to me.
I really don't need to say this, but those who are chosen to wield the sword are, or should be, considered top tier; higher echelon warriors. If you wield those swords, you better back it up.
But the fact Kiri has put so much red tape and basically put each sword on a leash shows how much faith they have in their own ninja. Honestly, saying that's a "little too much" is an understatement.
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Well for one, being the Mizukage means I have reign over the country, not the SSM group. They are a separate entity from the ranks and only follow orders when needed. If anything, Mioku is the best one to contact and get in touch with those on how they will modify and/or keep things as is(depending on what they will do actually). Plus, keeping myself out of SSM affairs prevents corruption from within.
Other then that, I have been looking over the actual Naruto Wiki to find out more on this. Give me a little time.
And what the hell is the name of that scroll as well?
The scroll on the actual naruto wiki doesn't have a page, only the SL one which Bocc gave the name too. If you go by the canon, the scroll cannot take swords in use. This is seen as all other swords came back, but Fuguki doesn't give his, cause Killer B has it.
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As far as I know this seal was made up when I beat Isa for Samehada a long time ago. I know they made it up because I thought the seal was BS. So I asked Ranketsu to explain it to me and Rai (I was in Kumo at the time) asked Cmage about it and we got back together and, although we were asking each of them about the same seal, the descriptions we got were completely different.
It's not shocking to me that with such an origin this thing has gotten silly.
It's pretty much as Gennifer says. The Seven Swordsmen in the manga are beasts. Zabuza is still one of the coolest villains and Kisame is one of the strongest shinobi in the manga, period.
Which is why on SL they have bungee cords attached to their swords because it's been proven that they cannot hold onto them. They still wouldn't have Samehada if Tsuyo hadn't gotten bored of it and literally handed it to me. I know this because I had the sword for literal years and was told again and again that Kiri was totally about to come kill me and get it back, but not one single attempt to retrieve the blade was EVER made.
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As far as I know this seal was made up when I beat Isa for Samehada a long time ago. I know they made it up because I thought the seal was BS. So I asked Ranketsu to explain it to me and Rai (I was in Kumo at the time) asked Cmage about it and we got back together and, although we were asking each of them about the same seal, the descriptions we got were completely different.
It's not shocking to me that with such an origin this thing has gotten silly.
It's pretty much as Gennifer says. The Seven Swordsmen in the manga are beasts. Zabuza is still one of the coolest villains and Kisame is one of the strongest shinobi in the manga, period.
Which is why on SL they have bungee cords attached to their swords because it's been proven that they cannot hold onto them. They still wouldn't have Samehada if Tsuyo hadn't gotten bored of it and literally handed it to me. I know this because I had the sword for literal years and was told again and again that Kiri was totally about to come kill me and get it back, but not one single attempt to retrieve the blade was EVER made.
Be that as it may, that doesn't make the swords more available to worthy shinobi. I don't think Kiri cares as much about others opinions of their strengths, just judging from what I know about how the flying thunder god scroll is handled with its "prevents mind reading" clause.
They are more concerned about keeping the swords than their reputation, and the swords have likely been mostly inactive because this issue would have been brought up shortly after one of the sword wielder would be defeated (it would be bound to happen at some point).
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Regardless of what Kiri thinks the majority of the votes are to void it or have them modify it. Those who cared enough to vote did vote. Of 17, 13 are for the two options stated and the majority are for them to modify it. So to get back on track and keep from bashing Kiri, state what you think it should be modified to.
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The wielded of the sword can Reverse summon it or something to the scroll if they are to be defeated.
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The wielded of the sword can Reverse summon it or something to the scroll if they are to be defeated.
and it requires a hand sign.
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The wielded of the sword can Reverse summon it or something to the scroll if they are to be defeated.
No, the second most popular option is to void it altogether. Kiri in my opinion ''should'' not be allowed to get it back to the scroll if the wielder is defeated in battle. We need to make it where the swords are to made obtainable without a full scale attack on the village itself to get the scroll which seals the swords.
That being said;
\If they are in a battle and lose, the sword goes to the victor. (IC-Death match)
\The scroll can seal all swords not in use, obviously.
\The wielder can de-summon the sword back into the scroll when NOT IN battle and summon it. (?)
\If a wielder is to be removed from the group under circumstances such as going rouge or otherwise ill intent towards the village, the sword can be summoned back to the scroll. Has to be done IC by someone in the village. PUBLICLY. [Zone or Kiri, anywhere really] (?)
\Trading the sword is to be permitted. [There is no way IC to know that.] Trades have to be IC.
These all are to counter the knowing without really knowing thing that the scroll had been doing.
If a wielder leaves the village and trades it IC there's nothing Kiri can do about it. If the wielder leaves Kiri and the village knows about it and BEFORE the trade happens they can summon it back.
Basically Kiri cannot do anything unless it is known IC and the swords cannot be traded/given/stolen unless IC.
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The wielded of the sword can Reverse summon it or something to the scroll if they are to be defeated.
No, the second most popular option is to void it altogether. Kiri in my opinion ''should'' not be allowed to get it back to the scroll if the wielder is defeated in battle. We need to make it where the swords are to made obtainable without a full scale attack on the village itself to get the scroll which seals the swords.
That being said;
\If they are in a battle and lose, the sword goes to the victor. (IC-Death match)
\The scroll can seal all swords not in use, obviously.
\The wielder can de-summon the sword back into the scroll when NOT IN battle and summon it. (?)
\If a wielder is to be removed from the group under circumstances such as going rouge or otherwise ill intent towards the village, the sword can be summoned back to the scroll. Has to be done IC by someone in the village. PUBLICLY. [Zone or Kiri, anywhere really] (?)
\Trading the sword is to be permitted. [There is no way IC to know that.] Trades have to be IC.
These all are to counter the knowing without really knowing thing that the scroll had been doing.
If a wielder leaves the village and trades it IC there's nothing Kiri can do about it. If the wielder leaves Kiri and the village knows about it and BEFORE the trade happens they can summon it back.
Basically Kiri cannot do anything unless it is known IC and the swords cannot be traded/given/stolen unless IC.
1) Okay
2)Alright
3) What if they do it the second a potential fighter enters their area? Seem plausible since the battle hasn't "started" yet.
4)Now this is a tricky one. We can presume that they have to have knowledge of the defection? Honestly, I would prefer them not to be able to return the sword under these circumstances either, especially since:
5) There are ways to know that a sword has been traded IC; I mean, other than being there, I guess your options are limited, but it would not take long to find out that the sword is in someone else's hands, and that they either received it via trade or as spoils. I don't think Kiri would take the effort to distinguish (I know Konoha wouldn't) and would begin planning retrieval.
All in all, as far as I am concerned, the scroll should be mostly a "return to base" option that can be used for storage of the swords. In other words, the scroll might can be a contract that allows the user to summon the scroll when needed/desired in battle, but not allow it to just be returned purely on a whim unless hand seals (requiring both hands) are involved.
That's my proposal, which to an extent agrees with much of your points, though it leaves out the need for IC trading and such.
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I am a supporter of the modify it option, in all honesty.
You are all blowing this seal out to be much more than it is, and in doing so, you are trying to further bash Kirigakure.
I would like to point out that, until Xiarawst, nobody from our end had posted; and you all are jumping on a decision and biting at the bit. Understandable from your end. Thought it would be a good idea to take advantage of my leave for immersion in Greece and to take advantage of people who you know either refuse to come on the forum, do not come on the forum for various reasons, or do come to the forum but do not post. You are a bunch of vipers and vagabonds, and are the vapid and vacuous of SL.
Due to the swords not even being passed around to all of the SSM, the seal hasn't even been in use since Kotetsu was around; meaning it hasn't really been in effective use since I returned to SL.
Theoretically, you could steal the scroll containing the swords. It would be metagaming to simply find it, but there are ways to go about it. My understanding is that it is in the treasury of the SSM; only maybe a couple of people even know where it is. I do not know where it is.
As the seal stands, I think it needs some polishing and modifying, but since the question of it hasn't even come up until now to y'all, much less to us, we haven't had the need to go back and polish it.
What you are all fighting about is something that does exist, but hasn't been looked at seriously in a very long time. Give us a few days, and we'll get you a better polished description of the seal; it is unnamed in the manga, but perhaps we'll even name it for you, for I know manipulative and childish little miscreants such as yourselves all appreciate pretty things at which to look, after all.
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Oh goodie. My turn. *Ahem* *Water sip* First things first.. This is not the tale of Old man Mioku telling the kids to get off his lawn while he hoards a treasure chest of candy he's actually allergic to or something. I mean first of all.. I find this whole thing insulting as I see talk about how Kiri is this and that or how we're impossible to negotiate with when.. I was never even approached about this to negotiate until the topic was even made. What? And maybe things have really changed, but shouldn't the forum be the last place to go unless it's really going nowhere? Something as trivial as this should be brought up with the people involved in it first and have it be discussed. A message linking me to the wiki and saying "Hey I think this seal is a little ridiculous and this is why.. Thoughts?" Would have came a looooong way, and I could have responded and this topic wouldn't even exist. I mean pretty much anyone can tell you that I'm not an unreasonable person. I'm usually the one trying to please both sides even when both are being completely and utterly insane since well.. It's just RP. Most things can and should (KeyWord) be resolved with basically being respectful since honestly, what is being anything else going to do other than annoy the other person and make them want to be spiteful? And right now, to me considering all the crap going on in the Kiri RP bringing this up here without anyone talking to me is basically a media stunt to be like.. "Hey look how wrong they are compared to us and we're the victims!" Even if that's not the intention.
I know I'm pretty off topic but this just struck a personal chord with me and I want to clear things up.
I am not trying to keep some tyrannical hold on the swords so they don't ever ever ever leave Kiri and I always have control of them. I would like them to stay within Kirigakure to use them to help and promote activity and make people want to join the SSM just as Oto does with Ototon. Everyone seems to agree that that's not the problem. It's the seal. A seal which isn't actually affecting anyone right now but helping me keep tabs until everything was settled, since things involving the SSM were chaotic ever since I first stepped down, and because everything dealing with the swords had only led to arguments with no progress ever getting made.
Otherwise I agree with Isa on what he said about the seal since it's never been used and was bound to be changed anyway.
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Well no one here has a good opinion of Kiri right now as 3/4 of the people seemed to be making the rp there go as badly as possible.
All we've done here is discuss it and what possible changes could be made. Update it and let us know what you guys think of and I'm sure it'll be fine.
Also, Isa's thesaurus is really paying for itself at this point.
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You guys and you're pot shots are all pretty.....meh. Just get along and stop being mean. This ranges from Bocc and his thesaurus joke, to Isa and his higher vocabulary insults (which are still insults, and I suggest you and other people in this thread stop). You guys are so ridiculous, this is a game! Everyone has differences, but just stop being mean, it's really easy I promise :)
OT: Kiri agreed to nerf the seals, so I guess either wait until someone posts the revision, or lock this thread.
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As Trev said if you guys continue to bash each other, I will lock this thread no problem. I don't wish this to turn into a grudge match of who can be the best at passive aggressive or otherwise 'hidden' insults. So if you could not post anymore of that kind of stuff that'd be great.
As requested Mioku DID post on here and I thank him for that, Isa I didn't ask as I thought he was still on vacation, but I'm glad he came.
I 'scanned' both of your posts. Minus all the defending and hidden shots there was really nothing to signify any ideas on HOW we can help your side. I posted my opinion and things the scroll does that I thought were pretty easy to grasp.
So NO MORE INSULTS or bad mouthing. Stop it.
Kiri nin; I'd like you guys to take a few days and 'forumla' a new seal layout and then please one of you post it.
Everyone else; Sprout ideas that they can maybe use.
At this point we're modifying a scroll not attacking each other. If it doesn't pertain to the SSM, don't post.
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I have one question to bring up, why now? Why was this bought up now, when the claims on those seals were made months ago?
I can have my say in this topic since I was formerly the leader of the SSM. *coughs* Enishi*coughs*
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I have one question to bring up, why now? Why was this bought up now, when the claims on those seals were made months ago?
I can have my say in this topic since I was formerly the leader of the SSM. *coughs* Enishi
Cuz Shadow just noticed it now I guess?
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I have one question to bring up, why now? Why was this bought up now, when the claims on those seals were made months ago?
I can have my say in this topic since I was formerly the leader of the SSM. *coughs* Enishi
Cuz the Akatsuki thought they could take advantage of my absence and start harassing people who cannot/will not defend themselves?
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I have one question to bring up, why now? Why was this bought up now, when the claims on those seals were made months ago?
I can have my say in this topic since I was formerly the leader of the SSM. *coughs* Enishi
Cuz the Akatsuki thought they could take advantage of my absence and start harassing people who cannot/will not defend themselves?
Thanks for listening to Trev. That doesn't even make any sense in the first place.
We've not made any changes to it, we've been discussing it. Because it is broken and needs to be fixed.
I don't think anyone is under the impression that we were going to make a new seal for you guys and then pm you later and go, "Hey, this is how your thing works now."
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I applaud everyone for listening to Trev. :oops:
This still isn't the answer that I am looking for...
Because it is broken and needs to be fixed.
A lot of things are broken on here. We're talking about a shonen series, where something new is introduced; people will flock to claim it.
Then again, I never had any problems when I was owner of the "Unnamed Scroll", in fact I actually activated every single tag on Shibuki and destroyed the scroll on my person along with another sword.
A critically-injured Kyu found the debris in character and returned it to Kirigakure, he had the option of taking it but he didn't.
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I applaud everyone for listening to Trev. :oops:
This still isn't the answer that I am looking for...
Because it is broken and needs to be fixed.
A lot of things are broken on here. We're talking about a shonen series, where something new is introduced; people will flock to claim it.
Then again, I never had any problems when I was owner of the "Unnamed Scroll", in fact I actually activated every single tag on Shibuki and destroyed the scroll on my person along with another sword.
A critically-injured Kyu found the debris in character and returned it to Kirigakure, he had the option of taking it but he didn't.
And Kyu should still be dead since he tried to block an attack you likened to C0 with a wood release jutsu.
Things are left alone till someone brings them up. Shadow decided to bring this up, so here we are.
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I applaud everyone for listening to Trev. :oops:
This still isn't the answer that I am looking for...
Because it is broken and needs to be fixed.
A lot of things are broken on here. We're talking about a shonen series, where something new is introduced; people will flock to claim it.
Then again, I never had any problems when I was owner of the "Unnamed Scroll", in fact I actually activated every single tag on Shibuki and destroyed the scroll on my person along with another sword.
A critically-injured Kyu found the debris in character and returned it to Kirigakure, he had the option of taking it but he didn't.
And Kyu should still be dead since he tried to block an attack you likened to C0 with a wood release jutsu.
Things are left alone till someone brings them up. Shadow decided to bring this up, so here we are.
And you should still be permabanned. Should we bring that up?
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I am still perma-banned, none of those accounts have had the ban removed.
I suggest we lock this topic since Isa cannot control himself.
Mioku can get back to us when they redo the seal and the topic can be opened again then, if it needs to be.
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Please stay inside the RP when you're in the RP thread.
You may discuss personal matters outside the thread, but please be polite.
Thank you for listening. :twisted:
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The wielded of the sword can Reverse summon it or something to the scroll if they are to be defeated.
No, the second most popular option is to void it altogether. Kiri in my opinion ''should'' not be allowed to get it back to the scroll if the wielder is defeated in battle. We need to make it where the swords are to made obtainable without a full scale attack on the village itself to get the scroll which seals the swords.
That being said;
\If they are in a battle and lose, the sword goes to the victor. (IC-Death match)
\The scroll can seal all swords not in use, obviously.
\The wielder can de-summon the sword back into the scroll when NOT IN battle and summon it. (?)
\If a wielder is to be removed from the group under circumstances such as going rouge or otherwise ill intent towards the village, the sword can be summoned back to the scroll. Has to be done IC by someone in the village. PUBLICLY. [Zone or Kiri, anywhere really] (?)
\Trading the sword is to be permitted. [There is no way IC to know that.] Trades have to be IC.
These all are to counter the knowing without really knowing thing that the scroll had been doing.
If a wielder leaves the village and trades it IC there's nothing Kiri can do about it. If the wielder leaves Kiri and the village knows about it and BEFORE the trade happens they can summon it back.
Basically Kiri cannot do anything unless it is known IC and the swords cannot be traded/given/stolen unless IC.
1) Okay
2)Alright
3) What if they do it the second a potential fighter enters their area? Seem plausible since the battle hasn't "started" yet.
4)Now this is a tricky one. We can presume that they have to have knowledge of the defection? Honestly, I would prefer them not to be able to return the sword under these circumstances either, especially since:
5) There are ways to know that a sword has been traded IC; I mean, other than being there, I guess your options are limited, but it would not take long to find out that the sword is in someone else's hands, and that they either received it via trade or as spoils. I don't think Kiri would take the effort to distinguish (I know Konoha wouldn't) and would begin planning retrieval.
All in all, as far as I am concerned, the scroll should be mostly a "return to base" option that can be used for storage of the swords. In other words, the scroll might can be a contract that allows the user to summon the scroll when needed/desired in battle, but not allow it to just be returned purely on a whim unless hand seals (requiring both hands) are involved.
That's my proposal, which to an extent agrees with much of your points, though it leaves out the need for IC trading and such.
It's easier just to quote my own post, as to bring back my and Shadow's suggestions. Whether it pleases the court or not, I'm too lazy to reconstruct a new post with the same content. :twisted:
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Oh look. I'm locking this and will do it privately with Kiri on my own to make a layout and MAY reopen it. You guys can't play nice however. So until the time comes, do harassment shit elsewhere.