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Casual => Game Related Discussions => Topic started by: Garō, Ichirou on September 28, 2014, 03:18:19 AM
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This is something that's happened to myself and others more than once and I just wanted to open up a discussion to see if anyone feels like I do about this.
The point of this post is to say that I think it's kind of annoying to be a completely inactive character, and create and claim jutsu and then deny the same jutsu to other people. And it seems like these people sometimes get online specifically to tell people who ask them to teach them techniques 'no.' I just don't think it's cool to be claiming a bunch of techniques and all of this and that, that no one else can ever use ever. and then not using them. I mean it might just be me but I just wanted to see if anyone else feels the same way about this as I do. I don't think someone should be allowed to sit on a jutsu if their character is inactive to an outrageous degree. If someone were to invent a jutsu and then stop doing anything in life ever, it's not impossible for someone else to discover the jutsu in the same fashion that the original did. :o
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The only thing I'd say about the claimed list, is make an inactivity rule. If so and so don't log on for 30 days, they're claims are up for grasp, etc. Though that already might be a rule.
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See yeah I agree with that completely, how could we get it pushed through to be a rule?
a 30-day claim rule sounds like a good idea to me, It would force people get online and rp, or void their claims and give them to people who will use them
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To push it, you just got to get a lot of people to agree, but at the end of the day you have to talk to Yumei. He owns the wiki and is responsible for the claim page and rules.
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Tried it before, didn't work.
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I'd like to try to get this pushed through, but I'm not sure quite how to get it started.
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I'd like to try to get this pushed through, but I'm not sure quite how to get it started.
Let's start with the samples at hand rather than going umbrella style. 30 days seems to be the limit, but what kind of techniques are allowed to be learned by others if the creator is inactive? If the player(s) in question are not active anyways, I am surprised they would give any wanks about other people using it anyways unless they are very special techniques.
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That's the thing, most of the time the people who own these techniques will get on to the Wiki to remove you from something they own, even though they haven't rp'd in the actual game with it for some time.
but you raise a good point, We'd have to come up with some guidelines. We'd have to move through the list, to figure out which techniques are owned by inactive characters, and then sift through that list to take any out that we believe shouldn't be able to just be claimed by anyone, How does that sound? I could go through the wiki and get the list of techniques owned by inactive users
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Allow me to lighten your burden. Anything claimed by Yumei.
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Allow me to lighten your burden. Anything claimed by Yumei.
And that's the thing, if Yumei is a case in point, it's his wikia; though perhaps questionable RP-wise, he isn't entirely in the wrong for altering things of that sort on his site. If it's merely an issue with the wikia changes, just use an alternate site for storage of such stuff, or merely in addition to the narutowikia.
That's the thing, most of the time the people who own these techniques will get on to the Wiki to remove you from something they own, even though they haven't rp'd in the actual game with it for some time.
but you raise a good point, We'd have to come up with some guidelines. We'd have to move through the list, to figure out which techniques are owned by inactive characters, and then sift through that list to take any out that we believe shouldn't be able to just be claimed by anyone, How does that sound? I could go through the wiki and get the list of techniques owned by inactive users
Nevermind going technique by technique, let's just find a technique or two to use as a sample to make the guideliness. I imagine it would take a very long time to go through all of them without any sort of guideline first.
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I mean for real, most the of the techniques that have just a single inactive user are Yumei's.
If we want to pick two as a hypothetical example for this then let's say Zojin's Heavenly Transfer Technique and Sasori's Human Puppet ability. Just throwing that out there as two jutsu that have only one inactive user.
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Of course you're only really subjecting yourself to the whole claiming nonsense if you use the wiki anyways. Alternatively you could not give a damn and do what you please, claim what you wish if you can legitly obtain it, but as mentioned before its a whole different matter as to how many will actually acknowledge your doings after that.
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Yeah but you can't claim whatever you want, because Yumei watches all his claims like a hawk, never uses them, be he'll know if you put your name up there.
If you do whatever you want people will just ignore you, kinda like Kobayashi Toshiro, his stuff is just ridiculousness.
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Well, why not just prevent the claiming of canon techniques not considered OP? Seems like the easiest solution.
The more harder solution would be to monitoring the owners of these claims, and allowing others to also claim it (but not strip them of claim or anything) after a certain amount of time of inactivity to be determined. That is more difficult and almost makes it as troublesome keeping up as tailed beasts, and we defintiely don't want another section regarding that...
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Guys, let's think real carefully about this. Do we really want any scrub to have the ability to claim the following, and use them all in unison?
Body-Splitting Technique
Dust Release
Earth Grudge Fear
Flight Technique
Flying Thunder God Technique
Healing Power
Jashinistic Immortality
Mind's Eye of the Kagura
Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation
When I say any scrub, I'm talking about the average person who comes around to start as a Chunin or Jounin and then automatically be able to use all these techniques? Sure you can call them out on some chakra usage, but it takes only one scrub to create a chain reaction of other scrubs coming about and using them too.
And before you try to call out Bocc as a reason, I'll have to remind you guys that he's worked for a lot of these here and there, and built up a large enough chakra capacity to utilize some of these techniques. Same as any other strong and notable people.
Now if we're talking about inactive claims, we also have to talk about what is considered "inactive". Are we talking about logging-in inactive, or RP-active? Either way, Yūmei has been active in both in some way, shape or form. If you really want an already-claimed technique, you would go about and either challenge them for it (which they can deny) or go find them in RP. Or you can make up your own original techniques, so long as they make sense.
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Well, why not just prevent the claiming of canon techniques not considered OP? Seems like the easiest solution...
Except for Body-Splitting Technique and Mind's Eye of the Kagura, I would consider the list below relatively OP and thus not up for random claimimg:
Guys, let's think real carefully about this. Do we really want any scrub to have the ability to claim the following, and use them all in unison?
Body-Splitting Technique
Dust Release
Earth Grudge Fear
Flight Technique
Flying Thunder God Technique
Healing Power
Jashinistic Immortality
Mind's Eye of the Kagura
Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation...
...Now if we're talking about inactive claims, we also have to talk about what is considered "inactive". Are we talking about logging-in inactive, or RP-active? Either way, Yūmei has been active in both in some way, shape or form. If you really want an already-claimed technique, you would go about and either challenge them for it (which they can deny) or go find them in RP. Or you can make up your own original techniques, so long as they make sense.
RP (or at least zone) active, where the techniques would actually be used. Just logging in really wouldn't fall under the active criteria.
Making up your own original techniques similar to the canon ones seems like a decent idea, as long as shenanigans are not called if it is too similar.
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I have a couple of things to say....
First...Just because Yumei was nice enough to create a site for us to use for bios and whatnot does not mean he makes rules for SL. he will tell you as much for himself. I have seen it mentioned a couple of times here lately about what Yumei allows for RP...and that is just a bad assumption and needs to stop.
We decide what we want to do and what we do not want to do when it comes to rp.
Secondly...
this issue of claiming stuff has been turned inside out and upside down a million times, WE discuss what jutsu should be allowed, We discuss who should have it. We discuss how it should be nerfed or buffed. and it all comes back round to who is making the rules and if they do not fit with my personal style of rp or no.
More and more as we get into these topics I am going back to my original stance. Rules stink and you do not have the right to enforce them upon me or anyone. Even if this is like an ostritch putting its head into the sand, I do believe this. but how to avoid the problems that no rule, or too many rules create?
What if...
We made bios, listed out jutsu...like we are doing. and then ask for discussion upon them to be held. Focus on what YOU as an individual are doing instead of monitoring what someone else is doing.
Ask for the opinions of other with the stipulation that YOU have the final say on your character. in this way your creativity will not be hindered and you will be made away of how others are likely to react to certain claims you are making.
This is what Kobayashi Toshiro, whom you say had ridiculous claims, did when he was proposing some new powers for his character. It seemed to work out alright.
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... Ask for the opinions of other with the stipulation that YOU have the final say on your character. in this way your creativity will not be hindered and you will be made away of how others are likely to react to certain claims you are making.
This is what Kobayashi Toshiro, whom you say had ridiculous claims, did when he was proposing some new powers for his character. It seemed to work out alright.
For the most part, we hardly have any problems with our own characters, exceptions of course being from here and between the moon. Yes, what Toshiro did seemed extremely odd for here on SL, but it wasn't a bad concept, especially due to the outlier nature of what he was fleshing out for his character. I mean, there are plenty of sages, but how many monks that have what he was proposing for his character?
It would require unique character building for that kind of thing to be more frequent. And frankly, we see what at least half the site considers cool for their characters.
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Hi. I once again scanned over posts and such, so if I re-say something it's cause I'm too lazy to read.
Youme runs the site for us. He doesn't dictate what is what so long as it's common knowledge. (bijuu for example)
Anywhoooo. Claiming stuff...(Insert Dark Knight Joker laugh here) Funny idea....
Point is ditch the idea. I have no animosity when I say that. It's just I've tried before and regardless of what I thought then I now think differently.
Say I claim dokuton. Aight. Now say I go inactive for 165 days. You were up late one night looking at the SL wikia and found that out. Researching some and 'Hey!' dokuton is kickass. Now that I'm gone you want it.
Now we're here. At what point does it no longer belong to the creator(s) or the current caretaker(s)? 30 days is FAR too soon and 10 years is far too long. What if the person is inacitve in RP, but still gets on everyday? What if that person gets on a month after you 'steal' it? Do they get it back since THEY made it?
Guidelines are agreed here. Though I'm sure myself and others will be strict if any are made. You're trying to take someones stuff without asking. Though things like cannon techs may differ.