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Roleplay => All That Is Bijuu => Council => Topic started by: Hazama on March 09, 2017, 02:50:17 AM

Title: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Hazama on March 09, 2017, 02:50:17 AM
Alright, so I don't exactly think I need to explain why I am making this topic because my gut tells me that talk has spread like wildfire. Regardless, for those of you who do not know, Ryoji/Rusaku went and convinced my judge that seven days had passed when clearly I had not gone past the time limits. Hell, I should know about time limits, I specifically made sure to wait ten minutes after two certain hosts went two weeks without posting before I stripped them, just to make sure they couldn't BS their ways through it.

That being said, the topic of discussion is here;
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,9331.0.html

And there is a lot of debating about timezones and a lot of scrambling going around on both ends, but it really boils down to if I passed seven days total. Now in one of those posts, the later ones, Ryoji's makes mention that if my boss gives me something on my way out of work than I can't give it to them right before I am leaving, it is do the morning of that day. And while he isn't wrong, this isn't my job, this is a game. This is a game where time limits are extremely important, where a minute or second can make a difference >.> Jinchuuriki have been posting hours before their deadlines for years now, an annoying thing that happens, especially when it is done on purpose. But no one has ever been stripped before a total of 7 Days passed, not 6 Days, 22 Hours, and some certain amount of minutes.

Now my main argument here is this. On the first page of talking, Shadow was kind enough to provide us with a time.

Shadow's post;
"My profile is currently on the forum default.

March 1, 2017. 2:22 am - Posted
March 8, 2017. 12:10am - Current

My computer says it's 6 pm on the 7th.

Pls halp am confuzed.

Do I need to change my forum time to get to the same decision you did? It's on the default right now."


And then Ryoji's reply;
"You just posted saying it's been 7 days. Thanks Shadow, you're the best <3

the first through the eighth is 7 days.

I posted on a Tuesday, and it is now Tuesday once again. Though the forum is in German time, so it would be Wednesday to Wednesday, which is still 7 days surprisingly enough.

All it says on the rules is 7 days, not 168 hours. Though if Tobais is to be trusted (And we Both agreed that his judgment was sound, considering he was the judge WE picked), even he says it's been a full week. Hilariously enough, we lack any rules saying a judge can be booted if his ruling is not pleasing to one party, so his ruling is final here.

So this fight is concluded, and I will be making claims to the 3 tailed beasts we agreed were up for grabs, and will be making a legal Auto hit based off of that entrance post. Even though it's entirely invalid, its really all I have to work with." 


I highlighted the part in Ryoji's post where he says Shadow turned around and proved him right, but the reason I pointed this out is because Ryoji takes the time to admit that Shadow ISN'T wrong about the numbers he was given. That being said, work with me.

March 1st to March 2nd = 1 Day.
March 2nd to March 3rd = 2 Days.
March 3rd to March 4th = 3 Days.
March 4th to March 5th = 4 Days.
March 5th to March 6th = 5 Days.
March 6th to March 7th = 6 Days.
March 7th to March 8th = 7 Days.


Now with that being said, the exact time that Ryoji's post was made on March 1st, according to him and what he agreed on with Shadow, was 2:22 AM. And the time that I posted my entrance, although it was poop, was at 12:10 AM. o.o So, if you are getting super technical, I posted two hours and twelve minutes before the time limit was up.

And even if you don't want to go by technical times, our judge's decision was made on March 7(you can go back and look, second post in the topic I linked before) at roughly 11:47 PM. So even if you don't want to say that I posted an hours before my time was due, I still have all of the seventh day to finish posting ._. and as I pointed out above, my seventh day would be the Eighth. Which is today, my birthday, and is still very much going on at this point.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Chinote on March 09, 2017, 03:21:30 AM
Well, since people who aren't directly involved feel the need to tell me I should be involved since I'm also fighting Athos, I suppose I will get involved. And despite what those parties are telling me, they're wrong.

Look at the timestamps of their posts. If you honestly believe Athos' first RP post is more than 7 days after Rusaku made the thread, then you need to go back to grade school and probably surrender any authority or power you think you have, because there's no need for such a blatant display of stupidity to hold any sort of sway, honestly. Like, yea, I'd love for Athos to just hand me Kurama, but I'm not taking him out on a false technicality in someone else's fight.

So, leave me alone now please.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Genesis on March 09, 2017, 03:26:05 AM
Err, I think you're right. (Since I'm EST, I offset forum time by -6)


https://www.timeanddate.com/date/durationresult.html?m1=2&d1=28&y1=2017&m2=3&d2=7&y2=2017&h1=20&i1=23&s1=36&h2=17&i2=46&s2=56

That's from initial post to Tobias' post.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Ѕhadow on March 09, 2017, 03:32:38 AM
Since yesterday I have come to the conclusion that they were trying to screw Athos over on a technicality.

I offset the forum to various different times. It changed the date Rusaku posted as well as the current date.
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It doesn't matter where your personal timezone is as I stated. He still had around 2 hours by the time he posted.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Genesis on March 09, 2017, 03:35:34 AM
Since yesterday I have come to the conclusion that they were trying to screw Athos over on a technicality.


I don't think they were trying to screw him over, I just think they couldn't read time.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Timothy on March 09, 2017, 04:04:57 AM
Hmm, if it was an honest error/Athos was in the right, I think he should be allowed to continue his fight as is and be given an apology for the error of those who incorrectly judged against him.

Such rulings must be done with accuracy. If the ruling is wrong, we must reverse it and do our best to keep such errors from happening again.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Trev on March 09, 2017, 04:13:14 AM
After offsetting to my timezone (which I know matches Athos) this is what I got

Rus posted Feb 28, 8:22 pm.

The judge said Athos was out of time March 7 5:46 pm.

I get the point Rus makes about it being seven days (date wise) but people are entitled to the full amount of time seven days is, 168 hours. Therefore Athos has 2 hours and some change to work with. Rather than argue, he officially posted a small sentence at 6:16 pm.

So as much as I'd like to see this Montreal screw job on Athos play out (wrestling reference for ya bud!) This is a really a poor attempt. Either from malice or lack of time telling, or believing Rus point on a strictly date perspective.

So yeah, fight continues, Rus goes on the clock as soon as this thread is locked.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Vail on March 09, 2017, 04:14:32 AM
I was trying to screw him over? Lol. Yeah, no. I neglected to do the precise math on the duration, as Genesis did. I made a mistake. What reason would I have to screw Athos out of a biju? It would go to Ryoji, and I have no interest in owning a Biju myself.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Ѕhadow on March 09, 2017, 04:18:22 AM
I was trying to screw him over? Lol. Yeah, no. I neglected to do the precise math on the duration, as Genesis did. I made a mistake. What reason would I have to screw Athos out of a biju? It would go to Ryoji, and I have no interest in owning a Biju myself.

Fair enough, apologies. <3 I still love you.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Trev on March 09, 2017, 04:19:25 AM
I was trying to screw him over? Lol. Yeah, no. I neglected to do the precise math on the duration, as Genesis did. I made a mistake. What reason would I have to screw Athos out of a biju? It would go to Ryoji, and I have no interest in owning a Biju myself.

Said screwing over, lacking precise math, or believing Rus. I don' think you have any reason to, just stated the three possible errors that could have occurred. If you took that as a shot to your character, I apologize.

Unless directed @ Shadow, in which case ignore me >>
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: JayJay on March 09, 2017, 04:20:56 AM
I was about to do the actual time thing, but it's already been addressed... so I'm just gonna show you a picture of a pizza.

(http://www.redbaron.com/timeless/images/00s/pizza-1.png)

And Happy Birthday old man!!
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Camel on March 09, 2017, 04:26:30 AM
Quote from: Shadow
Technically it has been 8 days based on the date, but the time has only been 6 days 20 hours and 30 mins or so.
Quote from: Rusaku
I posted on a Tuesday, and it is now Tuesday once again. Though the forum is in German time, so it would be Wednesday to Wednesday, which is still 7 days surprisingly enough.

Usually I try to let this solve itself and only involve myself, when I see sort of discrepancy. Everyone's time zones were completely mixed up, so I had to go find out which is the correct posting time by using my privileges. I also used the website that Tommi put up and the end result from the calculations was this: 6 days, 21 hours, 53 minutes and 56 seconds

Keep in mind that I calculated by this application, rather than by the equations that I have to manually solve. Which was much easier to let a computer solve it for me, since human error can be easily overlooked these days. Humans aren't perfect, so that's why we have programs that fill in the gaps of information that we sometimes miss.

Now I am not the judge, so I can't speak for that guy. But I'll retract my earlier statement and say that Athos wasn't in the wrong in this subject. He had about two hours, seven minutes and four seconds to post and he beat the stretch before the timer ticked down.

Personally, I don't think that is fair to pull the rug from the guy like this when the evidence says otherwise. So I went ahead and deleted my posts in that fight and I hope Shadow will do the same. Now all we need is an interjection of commentary from Rusaku, before we decide to continue the fight from the brief entrance post that Athos made. We can halt the timer for the time being until everything is settled here first.

PS: I have nothing to gain by screwing Athos over, because like I said before I don't favor any of you guys. I hate and love everyone equally as it should be. But I'll say this, I favor my pet kitty cat more than someone that lives miles away from me and only speaks to me when they need something.  ;)

PPS: I have a love-hate relationship going with most of the community here and that's pretty swell deal to me in my opinion.

PPPS: That's a damn good pizza slice right above my post.  :shock:
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Hazama on March 09, 2017, 04:58:45 AM
I was trying to screw him over? Lol. Yeah, no. I neglected to do the precise math on the duration, as Genesis did. I made a mistake. What reason would I have to screw Athos out of a biju? It would go to Ryoji, and I have no interest in owning a Biju myself.

There's only one type of screwing Tobi would even try and do to me <3 Wincest~

But no, I'm glad this is getting cleared up and all nicely ^^ Thanks for the support guys, it means a lot. I know this is partly on me, for even waiting so long to post, but I was just caught up in life. Endless Appetizers are going on at my job and we've been short-handed >.> And keep running out of boneless wings.

Anyway, thanks again :D

@Jay Thanks <3 Even though you are still older than me~
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Genesis on March 09, 2017, 06:13:15 AM
Yay, settled in less than one page.

It's up to Tobias how he wants to settle this, but if I were judge his 2 hours would start NOW.

jk, I'd give him like a day...tops.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Becquerel on March 09, 2017, 06:16:42 AM
PPPS: That's a damn good pizza slice right above my post.  :shock:

I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement so much that I'm going to make a spam topic :P
It looks like a slice you'd get from the budget brand frozen pizza. Even Little Caesars puts it to shame lol
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Ѕhadow on March 09, 2017, 06:18:06 AM
PPPS: That's a damn good pizza slice right above my post.  :shock:

I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement so much that I'm going to make a spam topic :P
It looks like a slice you'd get from the budget brand frozen pizza. Even Little Caesars puts it to shame lol

^ I'm cheap so I'd still devour the hell out of cheap pizza, but he's right.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Eric on March 09, 2017, 06:44:10 AM
Just for the record in case there is anyone still not in the know, each post that you make is timestamped. However, every single post on the forum is timestamped in the same zonage. In demonstrating whether or not someone went over time or not, keep it simple. The time of last post made vs a post made later (say, a warning post that time is about to spill over, or an accusation post).

In the upper right hand corner is also Forum time, regardless of your settings. 7 days and the exact hour, minute, etc. of the previous post is what 7 days is around here. You can't be that precise on SL so the second the post would be 7 days old that's a wrap, even if it's rounding.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Rusaku on March 09, 2017, 03:35:32 PM
I would like to point out that in Athos' one sentence post, he says he is wielding Oken. Oken was an agreed void before the match started, making his post invalid and in need of repost. Our activity rule says if you make a post on day 6 which would require a repost, then Wait days to make it, you are still at a loss. So he is still technically DQ'ed in my opinion. Though obviously that's up to everyone besides our judge apparently.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Eric on March 09, 2017, 03:45:25 PM
]For some reason Athos' one liner post was also deleted in the partial OOC cleanup. If that was an actual response to the fight then there is the issue of why it was deleted in the first place that I would like to see addressed.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Rusaku on March 09, 2017, 04:04:16 PM
He made no attempt to say it was an invalid post, or valid. Simply replaying that he still had time to make his entrance, and below it had a color coded entrance saying he walked in with various seals and Oken on his hip. That post should not have been deleted. None of the OOC should have been deleted if there was still discussion going on.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Hazama on March 09, 2017, 05:52:32 PM
I thought we said you just didn't want me to use the Raiton no Yoroi effect it has. If we did say I'd void it completely feel free to ignore that it's there entirely, I won't use it. Like I said been very busy and obviously didn't spend a ton of time on that post. Funny you bring up the judge since he also said he made a mistake. :p
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Timothy on March 09, 2017, 05:55:33 PM
Futon No Yoroi with its 3x speed boost with the risk of getting turned into an Amaterasu flame kebob.

Make Konoha Great again!
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Hazama on March 09, 2017, 06:16:45 PM
Thanks Tim xD

Also, since it's relevant. The rule you are citing in attempts to get me DQ'd anyway, that's not how that works. First of all, obviously, we'd need a judge decision telling me to repost. You can't just declare I need to repost. That's not going to happen since as I already said you can just ignore the sword if we agreed to void it, no repost needed.

Second, if a judge decision was made that I'd need to repost it would mean I'd have two hours or so to make it. That part of the list really needs to be rewritten because it isn't very clear. What it should say is that if you wait 6 days to post, and then need to repost, you only have whatever time was leftover to make that repost. If you posted in three days and then a judge decision was called and decided you need to repost then you'd have 4 days to repost. Obviously it doesn't count the time the decision takes because then every fight would be decided the first time someone makes any mistake that could require a repost because it would be very easy to make the decision take however many days out of 7 are left and then go, "Oh well you took 7 days so stripped."

I only want to use Oken for the light related abilities it has, not what we agreed was voided, but like I said if it is that big a deal and/or I misremembered you can just consider the sword not there at all.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Rusaku on March 09, 2017, 06:57:58 PM
I said I void the sword, and cited why I wanted it void. I didn't say I was voiding that one part of its abilities.

I'm honestly just ready to either start this fight, or void it all together. All I've done since this started was ask around to see if people would take the Biju so I don't have to deal with it ever again. I've decided the reason I'm not having fun is because I only do this, and it's so volatile with half baked rules that no one is on the same page with. So you can decide, either we start over, or drop it and move on.

This whole situation has been a cluster duck. Yes...a cluster duck. I love autocorrect.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Hazama on March 09, 2017, 07:11:50 PM
This whole situation has been a cluster duck. Yes...a cluster duck. I love autocorrect.

(https://pics.onsizzle.com/when-autocorrect-changes-it-to-dont-duck-with-me-3672392.png)

Move on to what exactly. The next of your 8 or so challenges? If that's what you mean we might as well just continue with this one. Also why start over? All we did was make entrance posts. So we could waste time and make the same entrances again if you want.

So basically, if you mean you don't want to fight me at all, not just with Rusaku, then sure we can stop, no harm to either side, and you can drop all your challenges. If you just mean you want to skip to Ryoji instead then no I'd rather just finish this fight and put you on cool down for 3 months.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Rusaku on March 09, 2017, 07:28:23 PM
I meant either drop all challenges, because I'm stopping Biju stuff after this, or continue. And by start over I kinda meant from the Entrance posts. Not really a point of remaking those.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Hazama on March 09, 2017, 08:00:31 PM
Hmm. Well honestly I want to rip your head off, and that was before this latest episode. Let's let cooler minds prevail for a change though. We can call this fight off, no one loses anything, and you can of course drop all your challenges, that is fine with me.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Rusaku on March 09, 2017, 09:05:59 PM
Trust me, there were a few moments I wanted you dead IRL, and was considering ways to get it done. So yeah, cooler minds and all that. Consider challenges dropped. I'd rather focus on a story I have planned for the Otsutsuki anyway and enjoy this sites last days in peace.
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Eric on March 09, 2017, 09:09:01 PM
Trust me, there were a few moments I wanted you dead IRL, and was considering ways to get it done. So yeah, cooler minds and all that. Consider challenges dropped. I'd rather focus on a story I have planned for the Otsutsuki anyway and enjoy this sites last days in peace.

You might find yourself enjoying it longer than you think.  Especially if people make up more often than they break up.  8)
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Ѕhadow on March 09, 2017, 09:35:55 PM
So locked?
Title: Re: It is me again, guys. You're favorite redhead >_>
Post by: Rusaku on March 09, 2017, 09:42:42 PM
Trust me, there were a few moments I wanted you dead IRL, and was considering ways to get it done. So yeah, cooler minds and all that. Consider challenges dropped. I'd rather focus on a story I have planned for the Otsutsuki anyway and enjoy this sites last days in peace.

You might find yourself enjoying it longer than you think.  Especially if people make up more often than they break up.  8)

That will only happen if Biju are removed. Can I go back in time and change my vote in that one thread?