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Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: Ѕhadow on May 01, 2015, 02:02:24 AM
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So what happens to claimed items if someone leaves?
This does NOT include custom items made by the person.
Let's use Bocc as an example. Say he left without giving the sword of kusanagi to anyone. What happens to it then? He didn't create it, but in rp his character had it.
How long after someone leaves does canon Naruto stuff go back on the market for others to claim?
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To me the claimed list is absolutely garbage and trash. >__>' Thats just me though.
Anywho, Athos was given the kusanagi from what I believe. But that does raise good concern for other items. I feel like the person leaving, usually hands down their items to some one; either oocly or icly before they officially leave. If not then such question arises! Maybe it could be that their items are left or passed down to the village or area they were in. Meaning it would be 'up for grabs' but only by those who are willing to seek it. That would be more fun than the constant name changing wars I witnessed in the Claimed List section. Also would add more legitimacy and validity into owning such claim. There can be a scavenger hunt or whatever, hosted by a GM to allow characters an opportunity to nab such.
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Usually it depends on the IC explanation (if any) for disappearance (death, travelling, etc.) but generally, if it is known that the player is not coming back anytime soon, the items go to the land of "the lost and the found", typically by those in the vicinity of the disappearing character's last known location. Sometimes, the gone character is CC'ed into granting the items if such a will can be claimed to have been made.
If the player just disappears without a trace (as in, logged in one day, didn't log in mysteriously for some time afterwards) then the items, by the nature of the claims list, immediately go back onto the market, but do not tend to change hands until someone claims the item for himself/herself and successfully backs up the claim, either with a logical appeal or with the aforementioned "lost and found" method.
You can claim whatever you want, but people don't tend to accept that you claim some missing person's stuff unless they have been MIA for at least a few weeks. However, that doesn't mean you can't start claiming stuff from day 1, just that you have to one way or another deal with those who challenge the claim, either wanting the item(s) for themselves or simply wanting to stand up for the absent party.
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I've even seen people claim items that someone actively has and uses.
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I was thinking of adding like a period of time. Like 1/4 year gone their items go up for grabs. 100 days or 3 months or 2 or something like that.
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I was thinking of adding like a period of time. Like 1/4 year gone their items go up for grabs. 100 days or 3 months or 2 or something like that.
I'm game for a 3 month expiration date. However, I'll add in that their items go to their clan, first.
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30 days
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Why should it go to the clan? Just because they were in it? That doesn't make sense.
And if they aren't in one then what?
Also 30 days seems a bit too short. 3 months/90 days seems better to me. Or even 60 for a middle ground.
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I don't see why you're making such a big fuss over this. My example is that I summon jellyfish and other sea beasties. The claims list has all the things I summon as 'claimed'. That doesn't mean I'm going to stop using them (since I've been using them since before a claimed list even existed).
If you're just interested in ONLY following the canon, then I can understand why you'd be a bit butthurt, but if you're really following the canon then you should just go all the way and not use any custom stuff (like custom jutsu/sage mode/whatever).
But if someone's away for a long time, then the item should be up for grabs and I think that as long as you have a good RP where your character finds the item, you can take it. If that person comes back to the game saying that they want their item back, then you guys can talk to each other about it. It's not like the canon stuff is that good compared to the custom stuff that's made anyway :/
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I don't see why you're making such a big fuss over this. My example is that I summon jellyfish and other sea beasties. The claims list has all the things I summon as 'claimed'. That doesn't mean I'm going to stop using them (since I've been using them since before a claimed list even existed).
If you're just interested in ONLY following the canon, then I can understand why you'd be a bit butthurt, but if you're really following the canon then you should just go all the way and not use any custom stuff (like custom jutsu/sage mode/whatever).
But if someone's away for a long time, then the item should be up for grabs and I think that as long as you have a good RP where your character finds the item, you can take it. If that person comes back to the game saying that they want their item back, then you guys can talk to each other about it. It's not like the canon stuff is that good compared to the custom stuff that's made anyway :/
As for summons...
I have wolves from Taraka and Dart recently put that on his character that he had them as a summon. I mailed him and asked where he got wolves from and he said he had them years ago. I'm not going to stop him from using it cause he didn't have it listed. Now if it were someone who I knew for a fact didn't have this item or was new I would more than likely say no. That's not how it works.
This is about people going inactive with things. And as said custom things stay with their owner no matter what. I just see it as an rp killer. Like this guy has samehada and is inactive for 200 days and I really want to make a kisame character and I'm a super active rp'er. However this inactive person is hindering rp cause he claims something and doesn't want to let it go so he logs on every 5 days just to keep it or is off for 200 days. (example)
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Why should it go to the clan? Just because they were in it? That doesn't make sense.
And if they aren't in one then what?
Also 30 days seems a bit too short. 3 months/90 days seems better to me. Or even 60 for a middle ground.
Easier than trying to create a tournament for the item. Multiple people could claim to have found the item once the time expires.
If it is passed down in the clan, then at least an active member will have it and a way for someone to try and actively seek it out, steal it, etc.
By keeping it in the clan, it provides a firm point of appearance should the user exceed the agreed upon time limit. That's why I say clan.
If they don't have a clan, well, then I would have to say OOC tourney between those who really want the item. If they don't want to fight someone or don't want to be involved in the tourney, then they really don't want the item that badly.
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Why should it go to the clan? Just because they were in it? That doesn't make sense.
And if they aren't in one then what?
Also 30 days seems a bit too short. 3 months/90 days seems better to me. Or even 60 for a middle ground.
Easier than trying to create a tournament for the item. Multiple people could claim to have found the item once the time expires.
If it is passed down in the clan, then at least an active member will have it and a way for someone to try and actively seek it out, steal it, etc.
By keeping it in the clan, it provides a firm point of appearance should the user exceed the agreed upon time limit. That's why I say clan.
If they don't have a clan, well, then I would have to say OOC tourney between those who really want the item. If they don't want to fight someone or don't want to be involved in the tourney, then they really don't want the item that badly.
No. That creates shitty rp with people trying to kill each other over an item. Like the tailed beasts.
I'd like to say it's on a first come basis. Whoever starts the rp first with the item first.
Who in the clan would it go to? The kage and what if the kage wants the item no one else gets a shot at it? I just see a whole bunch of if's and there's never a solid statement that cuts everything out.
The best option I see is whoever notices it first and starts rp first is up to have it.
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It's always been first come first served. If you see any inactive users on the claimed list and notice it, you can take it. People do it all the time.
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It's always been first come first served. If you see any inactive users on the claimed list and notice it, you can take it. People do it all the time.
Has it? I've never noticed that.
I've seen people claim items that weren't claimed yet, but that's it.
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I think if the character that claims is deleted by SL for inactivity (which is like...95 days?) then I think it's fair game. Not alot of people rp on public boards constantly, so you gotta think about them.
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I think if the character that claims is deleted by SL for inactivity (which is like...95 days?) then I think it's fair game. Not alot of people rp on public boards constantly, so you gotta think about them.
I don't know about 95 days. I've seen people's profiles who haven't been on in 116 days and they're still there.
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Its 90 days I believe. Some people had theirs immortalized due to contributions to the site or other reasons.
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Its 90 days I believe. Some people had theirs immortalized due to contributions to the site or other reasons.
Sure.....except;
I don't see how all these acads contributed at all. And this is only from one page. There's loads over 95 days old that are still there.
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Not sure on how that system works. Some people it's 95 days others it's 195 days.
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I think the system broke itself somehow and Neji never fixed it.
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Seeing all these claims for stuff, rules for this, limiting certain jutsu to the 'strongest'. Makes me want to make a topic and list called "Everything wrong with SL RPing"
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Seeing all these claims for stuff, rules for this, limiting certain jutsu to the 'strongest'. Makes me want to make a topic and list called "Everything wrong with SL RPing"
I know I'm not blind to it. I agree that there should be some sort of regulations if any, in how a person may compose their character. Especially with the fashion of mixing KG's, attaining all techniques possible and becoming the god of all gods in the zoning realm. I think a lot of hot headed zoners tend to ruin RP with their mentality that they are invincible in some way shape or form and what they say goes. There is a difference between zoning and RP, greatly. Many tend to think this is all one big great zone.
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Seeing all these claims for stuff, rules for this, limiting certain jutsu to the 'strongest'. Makes me want to make a topic and list called "Everything wrong with SL RPing"
I know I'm not blind to it. I agree that there should be some sort of regulations if any, in how a person may compose their character. Especially with the fashion of mixing KG's, attaining all techniques possible and becoming the god of all gods in the zoning realm. I think a lot of hot headed zoners tend to ruin RP with their mentality that they are invincible in some way shape or form and what they say goes. There is a difference between zoning and RP, greatly. Many tend to think this is all one big great zone.
I'll admit, I'm a bit ignorant as to how the two differ regarding behavior if you're IC at the time.
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Zoning is fighting and that alone, no other point/goal/whatever behind it. RP can be potentially anything.
Examples? Konoha chaos is RP, two people training at zones is zoning.
Also heard from Ace, the auto deletion system indeed is borked right now, so those past 90 days acads etc. shouldn't be there.
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What I was hinting at is the fact that most people feel the need to erupt some sort of fight in order to initiate RP, when that isn't what its all about. Furthermore from Warren's statement; RP can be anything from getting drunk at a bar to helping the old lady down the street get her groceries. Whatever. But its really dreadful reading these 'zoners' whom simply come around just to fight everyone and anyone IC; which usually NEVER works out.
If obviously IC you can engage in combat it will be similar to the zones, but they don't depend on one another.
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Zoning is fighting and that alone, no other point/goal/whatever behind it. RP can be potentially anything.
Examples? Konoha chaos is RP, two people training at zones is zoning.
Also heard from Ace, the auto deletion system indeed is borked right now, so those past 90 days acads etc. shouldn't be there.
The behavior for both fighting and RPing is by and large the same though. There are certain courtesies that allow for both to proceed smoothly, especially in zoning situations. How you zone and how you RP should not be significantly different, because zoning is a different kind of RP.
An IC zone fight should use all of the RPing properties of said character, even if it's really silly IC zoning. Similiarly, nobody likes a metagaming diplomat (and I'm talking hard metagaming, minor metagaming is almost expected nowadays) nor a nonsensical play (as in, not responding appropiately for the context) where A comes after B instead of the other way around sort of thing.
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Nice convo and all, but for a different topic perhaps. ^_^
I can see how it ties into this, but that could said in any topic, so please, revert to the subject at hand. <3
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True. >>;
On topic now.
From my own on again off again experience, 2-3 months is a good indication of very little to slight interest in RPing in SL. After that the time just adds up when you just distance yourself from SL completely. I know of this. >>; So around that time, would be a fair way to indicate it up for a new hunt or whatever. Other wise, I think a month would be too short to truly determine whether or not they'll be inactive for a while.
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True. >>;
On topic now.
From my own on again off again experience, 2-3 months is a good indication of very little to slight interest in RPing in SL. After that the time just adds up when you just distance yourself from SL completely. I know of this. >>; So around that time, would be a fair way to indicate it up for a new hunt or whatever. Other wise, I think a month would be too short to truly determine whether or not they'll be inactive for a while.
29 at the minimum and 31 days at the maximum is not enough time to determine that someone isn't going to be actively RPing on SL for much longer? I think a month is plenty of time considering tailed beasts have been stripped for less, and we are talking about canon stuff here going back to the market for grabs.
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Set it at account deletion. Normally, what, 90 days?
That'd be good.
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I think waiting till an account deletes is much too long, especially since it's sort of broken right now. I still say 30 days or at least 30-60 of not longing in. Perhaps 60 is good, it is two months.
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Make a deal at 75? That's the middle of the two.
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What about people who get high profile items, never RP anywhere, but keep their accounts active? Was this addressed already?
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What about people who get high profile items, never RP anywhere, but keep their accounts active? Was this addressed already?
I want it to apply to 90 day rp also.
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I still say 60 >>
I think that's a real old topic Rusaku, cause someone brought up having to rp or be challenged for your items. It didn't get very far, so I'd say that's not covered.
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I would rather roll with the 45 days, and this is RP activity that we are talking about.
What about people who get high profile items, never RP anywhere, but keep their accounts active? Was this addressed already?
Isn't the time limit on RPing? I mean, it can't be hard to get a few folks to vouch that you've been RPing with the item in some capacity if you haven't been doing the RP in public. If the limit is purely on account activity, then I think that's setting this up to fail since account inactivity alone is, as Trev put it in a different way, variable in accuracy (especially with a broke auto-delete system).
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I vote 60 days as well.
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60 days seems good to me, so I won't budge.
Though I'd have to disagree with you on the village specific items Kay. I think they're fair game to take as well. Especially since items like Kumo's five treasures were found by Oto, Konoha, and others in lengthy rp and hardly any work from Kumo, besides Oto trading it to them.
So these items are hardly village specific, even the SSM items, I think I can recall Shinro forging one of them, no? So I wouldn't put a category on what can and cannot. We have enough rules, just make it a simple period of no rp, or logging in and let the item/jutsu be up for grabs.
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Why are people trying to stick with canon themes while SL is its own thing. I've been told various stories of how SL is like x amount of years in the future or that canon naruto doesn't even take place with SL RP, the list is endless and unorganized. Either way, the 'Kumo' items aren't theirs by birth right or whatever. The Silver and Gold Bros just happened to be Kumo nin and possessed the sage items. Same thing COULD happen in SL but I believe Oto traded them for a bijuu(which they no longer have)
Either way I already suggested 2-3 months seems fair enough. 1 month, although it seems lengthy just isn't enough. A prime example could be with Ichirou. Not calling him out or anything but the fella has been quite an active RPer as of late. It seems he is taking some sort of break to deal with real world problems and even notified us about it. Who knows how long he'll take but it looks like he'll eventually come back to his active RPing. So he could be taking a month, month 1/2 break. Wouldn't be fair for us to just say, strip his claims and scatter them among those whom are thirsty for it!(in the events he hadn't warned us and continued to go slightly inactive)
2-3 months really suggests you've lost interest completely. Otherwise people can go off for a month of RP and still come back into the mix of SL ongoings without losing much, if ANY RP events! Ha-ha, 'cuz some people take weeks for a single reply. >_____________>'
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FINAL:
60 days inactive and they lose their claimed rights. This is effective with both rp AND account activity.
Meaning if the account was logged in yesterday, but the user hasn't rp'ed on that account in the past 6 months then they no longer have claims to it. (in this case it's 2 months)
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Have a nagging suspicion somebody will try jump on it otherwise if I don't speak up, so I'ma just point out Kyu left all his shit to me (Warren), so don't bother trying to lol-claim the gedo mazo among other things he had.
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Have a nagging suspicion somebody will try jump on it otherwise if I don't speak up, so I'ma just point out Kyu left all his shit to me (Warren), so don't bother trying to lol-claim the gedo mazo among other things he had.
I had that come up today actually told them you look at your bio. :P
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It has come to my attention that something needs to be reiterated about what was said in this topic.
YOU CANNOT CLAIM CUSTOM TECHNIQUES OR ITEMS. ONLY CANON NARUTO THINGS. THE RULES OF INACTIVITY DO NOT APPLY TO CUSTOM ITEMS. LEAVE THEM BE.
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It has come to my attention that something needs to be reiterated about what was said in this topic.
YOU CANNOT CLAIM CUSTOM TECHNIQUES OR ITEMS. ONLY CANON NARUTO THINGS. THE RULES OF INACTIVITY DO NOT APPLY TO CUSTOM ITEMS. LEAVE THEM BE.
But what if I'm want them and I'm Raifudo? Can I just take them anyways?
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You can take Raifudo things. ~
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If Raifudo claimed all of Raifudo's things then who could claim Raifudo's things from Raifudo, if Raifudo claimed them all in the first place? :shock:
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If Raifudo claimed all of Raifudo's things then who could claim Raifudo's things from Raifudo, if Raifudo claimed them all in the first place? :shock:
Woodchucks.
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If Raifudo claimed all of Raifudo's things then who could claim Raifudo's things from Raifudo, if Raifudo claimed them all in the first place? :shock:
Nathan would claim Raifudo's things from Raifudo who claimed them from Zenaku who claimed them from Raifudo.
It has come to my attention that something needs to be reiterated about what was said in this topic.
YOU CANNOT CLAIM CUSTOM TECHNIQUES OR ITEMS. ONLY CANON NARUTO THINGS. THE RULES OF INACTIVITY DO NOT APPLY TO CUSTOM ITEMS. LEAVE THEM BE.
Isn't that kind of variable though? Let's say a super important custom item that the village or organization relies on would otherwise go dormant if the user were to disappear one day without a trace. Wouldn't it make sense to claim it and then use it to keep the village or organization afloat than allow it to fall into disrepair or disorder?
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Eric once that bridge is here, we'll cross it.
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If Raifudo claimed all of Raifudo's things then who could claim Raifudo's things from Raifudo, if Raifudo claimed them all in the first place? :shock:
Nathan would claim Raifudo's things from Raifudo who claimed them from Zenaku who claimed them from Raifudo.
It has come to my attention that something needs to be reiterated about what was said in this topic.
YOU CANNOT CLAIM CUSTOM TECHNIQUES OR ITEMS. ONLY CANON NARUTO THINGS. THE RULES OF INACTIVITY DO NOT APPLY TO CUSTOM ITEMS. LEAVE THEM BE.
Isn't that kind of variable though? Let's say a super important custom item that the village or organization relies on would otherwise go dormant if the user were to disappear one day without a trace. Wouldn't it make sense to claim it and then use it to keep the village or organization afloat than allow it to fall into disrepair or disorder?
Nathan indeed inherits my thing, for he is 3/4ths my son.
IIRC, Kiri has done a "claim to keep it going" thing with some SSM swords. I'm sure it's almost intuitive to protect something important by claiming it yourself, if it matters to you.
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If you can't take them, they should be deleted. At least off the claimed list if they're on there.
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If you can't take them, they should be deleted. At least off the claimed list if they're on there.
We had a debate about Kiri swords. They can keep them village only, but if a sword holder goes out and gets killed they can't auto summon the swords back like they claim to be able to do.
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If you can't take them, they should be deleted. At least off the claimed list if they're on there.
We had a debate about Kiri swords. They can keep them village only, but if a sword holder goes out and gets killed they can't auto summon the swords back like they claim to be able to do.
So wait a minute, you're telling me that that rule has changed on the Kiri Swords? Well what the heck am I waiting for? INVASION jk jk jk seriously jk. :shock: Too busy for invasions.
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Actually, Madara, the unnamed scroll is precisely how they can claim to summons the SSM Swords back just the way that they do. In RP people have all sorts of seals that give them abilities, that no one seems to fuss over one bit.
To quote others who go on and on about how SL is not the Narutoverse but its own thing, I see nothing wrong with the swords of an elite group staying the property of that group. And when people can make their own custom blades imbuing them with special powers of their own, what is the big deal other than just the bragging rights to say, 'hey...i stole your candy, nyah nyah'?
So, why are the swords on the claimed list?
Because they are owned.
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Kayenta you posted in the thread yourself that was made. .-.
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,7988.0.html
Isaribi AGREED to change the scroll and hasn't done so yet. However I don't care nor does anyone else really until it becomes an issue again. Point of the fact is that the scroll was vetoed and was to be modified. That scroll is void, but since no one is gunning for them there's no need to pick up the topic again.
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Actually the unnamed scroll in the cannon can't be used to summon back a sword if someone is using it, so it can/ cannot depending on the circumstance.
Anyway any village can lose their village based items.
Kiri can lose their swords
Kumo their treasures
Oto their instrument and Sound weapons
etc, etc, etc.
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And how do these words of mine...
According to RP...
Kotetsu recalled all of the SSM swords into the scroll and it is in his house under Shima Umioso's care. No one rp'd getting it and there you have it.
People just didn't like having to deal with me in a sane manner and so voided reality and god modded the issue into the manner in which they wished it to be.
So...basically you do what you want with anything on SL. It's been adopted into our history in this manner. If you can get one person to agree to it, there you have it.
contradict these words of mine...
Actually, Madara, the unnamed scroll is precisely how they can claim to summons the SSM Swords back just the way that they do. In RP people have all sorts of seals that give them abilities, that no one seems to fuss over one bit.
To quote others who go on and on about how SL is not the Narutoverse but its own thing, I see nothing wrong with the swords of an elite group staying the property of that group. And when people can make their own custom blades imbuing them with special powers of their own, what is the big deal other than just the bragging rights to say, 'hey...i stole your candy, nyah nyah'?
So, why are the swords on the claimed list?
Because they are owned.
Both make the same claim that the unnamed scroll summons the swords back. And since SL is not canon, what the scroll does in the series has no bearing on SL whatsoever.
That the SSM...not just Isarbi?...I would assume they all decided this was how it would be... is going to be voided, then how or what the scroll used to do is no longer an issue.
Or maybe you were pointing a finger at my words concerning the circumventing of the legit RP? Well no one gave a hoot about that and just rolled right over Kotetsu and so he quit SL for good. I dropped it... it's probably a good idea for you NOT to bring that bit of BS back up...
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Seems pretty unfair to take a cannon item and remove it's one weakness. But SL is full of worse things I suppose.
Isa said he'd change it, but no one else did, so I guess it's up in limbo. But until someone takes a sword, we'll never know how it plays out. Conversation for another day!!!
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Yep. So unless someone wants to add something. (Message me) Locked.