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Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: Akasaka Rakudo on September 21, 2013, 07:44:42 AM
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So I am having some problems with recent Bijuu Battles, and things that are claimed to be rules are being brought up, and none of them are on the rules list. I'm in a fight with Nathan and I will be in one with Eric and both of them are doing this. The main issue here is that every Leaf nin I've challenged, now Jolt, Nathan, and Eric, have told me that the host can pretty much make/add any rules they want, before and during the fight. I just had this exchange with Nathan.
---Original Message from Lazy Hokage, Nathan(2013-09-21 05:26:37)---
Jinchuriki make the rules. If they don't like things like Rinnegan and void it then you have to abide by it or don't challenge them.
---Original Message from Madara Uchiha(2013-09-21 05:19:44)---
I'm really missing the part in the bijuu rules where it says "And the host cant set any and all rules they like, no questions asked."
---Original Message from Lazy Hokage, Nathan(2013-09-21 05:18:38)---
Well, he can. If he voids Mangekyo and Rinnegan then there isn't any thing you can do about it because you're challenging him.
---Original Message from Madara Uchiha(2013-09-21 05:17:22)---
And my fight with Eric has not started yet and we already need a judge. He says I can't use my Mangekyo or Rinnegan resets because he just doesn't like them.
Like that exchange says Eric is currently getting judges to make a call on whether I can use my Rinnegan and Mangekyo Sharingan, because he thinks they are OP and doesn't want me to use them. He isn't offering to give up something in exchange because he wants to power down our characters, he is saying "No, I don't like those, they're too strong, you can't fight me unless you drop them."
My fight with Nathan has had plenty as well. After agreeing to me having Kamui, Nathan told me that if I used it to avoid his attack it would count as fleeing and I would instantly lose the fight. Neither Kamui doing that or the rule about fleeing were brought up before. Nathan is also saying that Kyu is automatically the judge for the fight now and I can't use anyone else because once you have someone make a decision they are the judge for the rest of the fight, again I was never told this and it is not in the rules.
I'm well aware these specific people do not like me, so maybe it is just that, but if they can just make rules to make it as hard as possible for anyone they don't like to beat them that is a problem anyway. I'm asking the rules be updated if things like the judge being locked in is actually a rule, and to deal with this idea that exists that the host just gets to make any rules they want. I was certainly given the idea that anything beyond the normal "No god-modding, no auto-hitting." was to be decided between the two combatants or with a judges help not, "I'm the host I can make you do whatever I want."
Tldr: The rules need to be updated and/or Konoha hosts need to take a chill pill.
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A chill pill? I'd say I at least was rather chill and civil in our conversation, even if I did seem rather blunt on the issue.
I was told this is how things work, so I figured, no need to not take advantage of it. Before you start blantly going on about how I wouldn't 'give up anything', there are two obvious reasons for why I didn't offer anything of my own:
FIrst of all, except maybe my summoning technique, I don't have anything substantial to surrender that wouldn't cripple my character. You said it yourself that you have won fights before without using Rinnegan or Mangekyou sharingan. I, however, can't say the same for my Nara techniques.
Second of all, I reasoned you would come up with something audacious for me to surrender in order to convince me to reconsider; instead, we come back to the Oto Tounrey crisis before our fight even gets scheduled.
I'm not going to lie, Rakudo has it near on the mark that I don't like Rinnegan + Mangekyou sharingan. I personally think the combination is broken, and the canon hasn't done much to refute the viewpoint.
The only reason Naruto beat Pain in the Invasion arc had at least part to do with the fact that Nagato was using the Paths; it split up his abilities, allowing Naruto to take out one ability at a time (and as we see, he mostly only fought them one at a time, thanks to the Deva Path's earlier overuse requiring cooldown and the early takeout of the machine one).
Later, Nagato still almost beat Bee and Naruto (despite related biju masteries), with Itachi's intervention being their saving grace.
Don't even get me started on Madara vs the Kage. Obito wasn't as overpowered with it though, I will say that.
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That is what I am here to find out, if it really is like that where the hosts can make up rules to suit them, then I think that needs to be changed. I could see if I was using implanted eyes or something but I have all the proper resets, so I would think you should have to deal with them. To be fair you were civil Eric.
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If you have the resets for something and have gone through the proper procedures to unlock it, then you can use it. Although it can get complicated pretty quickly if certain things are pirated. We seem to have brought up eyes here, so this is what I have gathered from the rulings on each when they are pirated and stuck into someone who is not of the original or of any special bloodline.
Byakugan
- Can be activated and deactivated
- Hand seal is required to activate it
- Chakra consumption is higher than normal
- Jyuken, does not come standard with it; must be taught by someone
Sharingan
- Always active
- Must be covered to preserve chakra
- Chakra consumption is noticeably much higher than normal when not covered
- Mangekyou and it's techniques consumes tons of chakra
Rinnegan
- Always active
- Cannot be reverted to it's Sharingan/Mangekyou form
- No noticeable chakra consumption when not using any of the Six Paths techniques
- Six Paths techniques eat a higher amount of chakra than normal
- Paths available is dependent on the source-user's original mastery/unlocking (Ex. Two Path Rinnegan will only yield the Deva, Naraka and Outer Path.)
And let's not forget: 2 of the same eyes > 1 eye.
But yeah, Bijuu defenders/Jinchurikki can choose to void certain things if the proper resets are not there/proper items are not actually attained/jutsu/etc. Though Elemental KG and Stand-alone Elemental KG can be subbed with any resets, except for Mokuton and Hyouton. This would bring up the dilemma of a hold/lock on challengers if the current challenger cannot agree with the defender. But that's usually circumvented by just skipping over them if they continue to be resilient.
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I guess I should have specified, I am challenging Eric with my Madara account, who is Honored Member, Senji, and So6P. So I have the resets this time, nothing is implanted
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That is what I am here to find out, if it really is like that where the hosts can make up rules to suit them, then I think that needs to be changed. I could see if I was using implanted eyes or something but I have all the proper resets, so I would think you should have to deal with them. To be fair you were civil Eric.
"I have all the proper resets, so I would think you should have to deal with them." - I agree with this, to an extent
I say I agree because the game in iteself is a challenge, if you don't think so create a brand new account and start from academy student. It takes a while to rise up and get in a position to have these things albeit some of us haven't been through all of that still its something that must be earnt.
That being said, I say "to some extent" because be that the case, I think anyone has the right to accept or reject whatever they want. That said, it is unfair but from what I understand that's the way SL work me, personally I'd allow anything in a fight, no matter how ridiculously outmatched I may be. I'd do anything except allow my char's perma-death right now.
I'm saying all that to say this, honestly, I think it's unfair to restrict someone for adcantages that they may have that have been earned. Being in a jinchuriki the tailed beast you hold could be anybody's server wide, choosing to accept the jinchuriki you should choose to defend it with honor no matter the opponent or their resets.
(Personally not fan boying I think Madara fight's practically and fair and I often marvel at his fights-okay maybe a little fanboying xD but it's not like hes un-beatable. JS)
Overall though I'm seeing Rakudo's view on this.
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I guess I should have specified, I am challenging Eric with my Madara account, who is Honored Member, Senji, and So6P. So I have the resets this time, nothing is implanted
On your Madara account, you have Grand Master Uchiha, Senji, and the Paths of Sixth (whether you claim any of the other resets in Kaguya on there is beyond me at this point). I can't argue that you don't have the proper resets to use Rinnegan and Sharingan.
I still have my reasons for not allowing them, particularly as I don't accept them both being used at the same time. Since he has no implants, then both eyes would have to be on the same level of dojutsu as far as I'm concerned, though I"ve noticed it isn't always played that way.
Is this an irrevelent issue, however, until the actual match itself, or something I need to go ahead and get squared away while the discussion board is open?
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Honestly I don't think those who host a tailed beast already should be able to challenge other host. That way SL never ends up like the manga went.
I'm just saying... plus this allows more chances at other obtaining the tailed best and makes it more interesting. I also think that a village should not be able to 'store' a buji but rather have to seal it in someone.
Just my thoughts but I guess they mater little to none.
As far you account having all that I simply ask where did he get EMS from in order to have Rinnagen? I can't look at your cahracter's resets but do understand if you get EMS before maxing the Uchiha resets you can not obtain the powers of the next rest... meaning if you only have two and get it you will never be able to use Susano'o. This was established way back but I don't know if it still holds up or is practiced... it was to make people have to work towards having an EMS that would grant them the full powers of the Grand Master level.
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The character was Shadow's, I asked him where he got EMS but he just said people would trust him that he got it legitly, so we'd have to ask. I'm using him as a Kamui character anyway so he won't have Susano'o regardless.
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I'm too busy with school work to wait on here all day for you guys to bomb me with questions, however I can on the actual SL site, you can come and PM me there.
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I'm too busy with school work to wait on here all day for you guys to bomb me with questions, however I can on the actual SL site, you can come and PM me there.
Then don't wait all you day. Check back every evening your time and I'm sure we'll get this all sorted out. :twisted:
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Shadow did tell me who it was he got it from. now I guess he just wants to know who dares question him. >>
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Shadow did tell me who it was he got it from. now I guess he just wants to know who dares question him. >>
:cool: :) What the heck, we have the time. I challenge the defender in the case of Uchiha Madara's birth right. Currently, the man is charged of piracy and sexual assault in unclean places. The defendant pleads innocent, and this is not an American court, so you are not innocent before proven guilty. :P
My joke RP aside, who did Shadow Ursala style to get eternal?
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Apparently they are from someone called Skiddals/Narutard, and Shadow had his eyes for a while before giving them to Madara.
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Apparently they are from someone called Skiddals/Narutard, and Shadow had his eyes for a while before giving them to Madara.
That's some creative naming there, I'll give him that. Must have been a long while, can't find either names in the warrior's list.
Jokes aside though, I think the main topic at hand was the updating of the biju rules?
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Yeah so far we need to decide if any of these are rules.
#1 Once the two combatants decide on a judge that person must be used as the judge for that fight from then on, barring extenuating circumstances.
#2 The Host of the bijuu can set rules for the match that the challenger must follow, apparently even in the middle of the match such as no KG, banned jutsu, etc etc.
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Having played a part in the creating of the bijuu rules and being a jinchuuriki i'd have to speak from my experience in the past. For one, a host can establish rules for their bijuu match as long as
A) They don't conflict with the established rules already in play. Things such as changing the overall makeup of the bijuu. Example being creating a four tailed bat bijuu or something outrageous like that.
B) They are discussed and agreed upon by both parties BEFORE the match. Such as my rule of all challenges against me be in character and i reserve the right to make it a death match should i be the victor.
We purposely left certain parts open for the challenger and the host to discuss allowing a degree of creative control. That being said, the bijuu matches have always been with the understanding that if you have the resets for said claims then you can use said claims. If you want to bar those uses then again, that fall under the discussion between the two of you BEFORE the match begins. If you don't like the hosts rules then nobody is making you challenge them.
:D
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Ok you kinda contradicted yourself there Zen. You said that it is supposed to be discussed during the pre-match stuff like I thought but then if you don't like them not to challenge them. So which is it? Do they get to make up rules on their own or not?
edit: JK, I read it again and understand it now.
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So if I did not want them to use their in-game resets, such as Rinnegan, then if they don't agree to it, then I don't have to fight them? :-?
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Nooooooo. >>
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From the way I see how these "rules" are set. It gives the jinchuuriki a major advantage as they can void all in-game resets to the challeneger and yet they can use their own if they have any. Sounds pretty unfair to me.
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From the way I see how these "rules" are set. It gives the jinchuuriki a major advantage as they can void all in-game resets to the challeneger and yet they can use their own if they have any. Sounds pretty unfair to me.
Zenaku did explain this. As long as the Host's rules don't conflict with established in game rules and they are discussed and agreed upon they can do it. So no you can't force someone to follow rules.
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Voiding all in-game resets would be taking things a little far, even from a host standpoint, but from the way Zenaku ended his statement, it doesn't seem as if the host is obligated to fight under unfavorable conditions.
It is slightly contradictory, but this is all before the match date has even be set, so it definitely falls under the category of 'before the match begins'. And if they aren't agreed upon, it seems the challenger doesn't have to challenge the host at all if they don't want to go by the host's rules.
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Having played a part in the creating of the bijuu rules and being a jinchuuriki i'd have to speak from my experience in the past. For one, a host can establish rules for their bijuu match as long as
A) They don't conflict with the established rules already in play. Things such as changing the overall makeup of the bijuu. Example being creating a four tailed bat bijuu or something outrageous like that.
B) They are discussed and agreed upon by both parties BEFORE the match. Such as my rule of all challenges against me be in character and i reserve the right to make it a death match should i be the victor.
We purposely left certain parts open for the challenger and the host to discuss allowing a degree of creative control. That being said, the bijuu matches have always been with the understanding that if you have the resets for said claims then you can use said claims. If you want to bar those uses then again, that fall under the discussion between the two of you BEFORE the match begins. If you don't like the hosts rules then nobody is making you challenge them.
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This. I had already been arguing with you in our previous battle so I didn't feel like stating the obvious in our PMs. Also, I did say if you don't like it then don't challenge the Jinchuriki. Just like in RP if someone, for example, voids Rinnegan despite the person having the reborns then they will most likely ignore you if you RP with them and then use it.
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Voiding all in-game resets would be taking things a little far, even from a host standpoint, but from the way Zenaku ended his statement, it doesn't seem as if the host is obligated to fight under unfavorable conditions.
It is slightly contradictory, but this is all before the match date has even be set, so it definitely falls under the category of 'before the match begins'. And if they aren't agreed upon, it seems the challenger doesn't have to challenge the host at all if they don't want to go by the host's rules.
I think that is pretty accurate. The host can still discuss wanting to ban a dozen things and you don't have to fight them if you don't want to go through their list with them.
This. I had already been arguing with you in our previous battle so I didn't feel like stating the obvious in our PMs. Also, I did say if you don't like it then don't challenge the Jinchuriki. Just like in RP if someone, for example, voids Rinnegan despite the person having the reborns then they will most likely ignore you if you RP with them and then use it.
I don't believe I've fought you before, if I had I probably wouldn't have been surprised by you saying you could just ban the use of my jutsu in the middle of the match so I couldn't beat you, which slightly contradicts your claim that you follow the rules as Zen stated.
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I always found it stupid that a host can challenge another host.
If you ask me three new rules need to constructed to prevent OP BS from occurring like in the manga:
1. No current host can challenge for another tailed beast... hell I'd even say they shouldn't be able to with an alt. I just think it stupid, bluntly.
2. If you can not host a tailed beast then you can not challenge... like in the case of Kamui. No offence to you my friend I just feel that who ever if fighting for the beast should have to host it if they win not store it away or give it to another.
3. Tailed Beast can not be stored/ sealed into anything but a playable character at SL. Meaning no village can hold a tailed beast in a jar of sorts or anything like that.... really it is just dumb.
Placing those three rules into play would make the tailed beast thing more interesting as it opens up a slot for perhaps the lesser skilled rpers to have a chance at obtaining one of the beast. Plus it prevents them from being hogged.... I don't care about some great plan to get them all to take over the world. If you want to do that then start a criminal organization with nine members in it that can each go out and obtain the beast.
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As for hat rules the host can make in pertaining to there matches. I think you should have to follow all legit claims and allow it. You are a host, an elite, you should be able to handle it. How can you become better if you do not allow yourself to be challenged fully?
It is like when I heard so much bickering about how I let Kamui claim all his stuff in our match because some was suppose to be void due to his time of death and edo zombie rules, blablabla... I even allowed him to level and gain a mastery in Mokuton after the battle had begun.
Rakudo if I am not mistaken you were one to keep pointing this out to me and make a fuss over it so funny how you turn sides when it is pointed at you now.... the sheer fact of the matter is the more you allow your opponent to claim the more fun it is for you.
I allowed Kamui to have all that and I think the two of us rather enjoyed our battle quite well. *thumbs up to the last man to fight Uetto ever*
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Fighting Rakduo (or even me on occasion) is not fun. It is a part-time job, a duty of sorts. 8)
Nevertheless, that third rule is somewhat unconventional due to the activity of players and all. Granted, yes, a jar, a glass jar or pottery one, like, seriously? But to have it be forced to be in a player is a bit much, especially since we're back into the fall-winter season.
The first rule I have no qualms about, especially since it combines with rule two, as you cannot host two tailed beasts at a time unless you combine them in some shape or form.
Becoming better is done during spars/zone fights. Biju battles (from what I've gathered) is more like a mundane task that has to be done in order to keep the beast, not something you really enjoy doing or seek to use as an improvement tool (unless that's the only way you find yourself challenged, like in your case Kirk).
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I didn't know you were letting Kamui do it in spite of the rules till you told me Kirk, I thought you didn't know he was doing that.
I don't like this idea obviously, nor do I see the logic behind it. Kirk you say "You are a host, an elite, you should be able to handle it. How can you become better if you do not allow yourself to be challenged fully?" but then want it so they don't have to fight any of the other "elites". So if I can't challenge with my main who has a bijuu or any alts then my only option is to attack the village in rp with a group of people. I don't see why anyone would want to make the only option wholesale slaughter. Essentially you are gonna be forcing the whole village to deal with a bijuu challenge instead of just the hosts.
I also feel kind of odd hearing new rules we should follow proposed by someone who quit the game and therefor will never have to deal with them, but maybe that is just me. :-?
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I don't see why anyone would want to make the only option wholesale slaughter. Essentially you are gonna be forcing the whole village to deal with a bijuu challenge instead of just the hosts.
Because haphazard slaughter's fun?
Well, at least these challenges would be more dynamic and more relative to the series in that bijuu are entities treasured enough for an entire village to have to experience some war or assassination-centric arc. If the village doesn't like it, then banish/extradite the host. If the bijuu's sealed within the leader of the village, then overthrow/kill/chase them out, simple (or just leave the village until you can muster a force capable of doing the aforementioned, that works too).
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I don't see why anyone would want to make the only option wholesale slaughter. Essentially you are gonna be forcing the whole village to deal with a bijuu challenge instead of just the hosts.
Because haphazard slaughter's fun?
Well, at least these challenges would be more dynamic and more relative to the series in that bijuu are entities treasured enough for an entire village to have to experience some war or assassination-centric arc. If the village doesn't like it, then banish/extradite the host. If the bijuu's sealed within the leader of the village, then overthrow/kill/chase them out, simple (or just leave the village until you can muster a force capable of doing the aforementioned, that works too).
But everyone hated the bijuu in the series xD villages were attacked in 2 out of 9 attempts. I don't really see the point in barring all jinchuriki, and Kamui, because screw that guy, from being able to bijuu challenge.
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I don't see why anyone would want to make the only option wholesale slaughter. Essentially you are gonna be forcing the whole village to deal with a bijuu challenge instead of just the hosts.
Because haphazard slaughter's fun?
Well, at least these challenges would be more dynamic and more relative to the series in that bijuu are entities treasured enough for an entire village to have to experience some war or assassination-centric arc. If the village doesn't like it, then banish/extradite the host. If the bijuu's sealed within the leader of the village, then overthrow/kill/chase them out, simple (or just leave the village until you can muster a force capable of doing the aforementioned, that works too).
But everyone hated the bijuu in the series xD villages were attacked in 2 out of 9 attempts. I don't really see the point in barring all jinchuriki, and Kamui, because screw that guy, from being able to bijuu challenge.
We gotta give everyone then more of a reason to hate them so they won't want them!
2/9 attempts is terrible. But then again the reasoning for farming them in that arc (if you can even call it one) was also terrible (because everybody virtually got theirs back). If the hunters are farming the buggers with malicious intent, I'm sure that their hosts will be much less obliged to hand theirs over (because well, they'd outright die doing so).
Personally I find that the challengers in bijuu battles should be placed at a disadvantage, distinctive or no. Don't like it? Attack the village they're hiding in. Destroyed the village and still can't find them? Who cares, you now have a village at your mercy. Challengers are being given the privilege to issue a direct challenge, bypassing God-knows-how-many-walls separate them from the host. That alone is considerably generous, so if jinchuuriki are going to be able to issue challenges when they've got their excuse for near-infinite chakra, then I daresay handicap them at will to whatever extent's remotely agreeable.
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It's why if anyone challenges me I usually ask for it to be IC, if you are gonna challenge me I'm going to try and kill you so you won't be doing it again.
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I don't see why anyone would want to make the only option wholesale slaughter. Essentially you are gonna be forcing the whole village to deal with a bijuu challenge instead of just the hosts.
Because haphazard slaughter's fun?
Well, at least these challenges would be more dynamic and more relative to the series in that bijuu are entities treasured enough for an entire village to have to experience some war or assassination-centric arc. If the village doesn't like it, then banish/extradite the host. If the bijuu's sealed within the leader of the village, then overthrow/kill/chase them out, simple (or just leave the village until you can muster a force capable of doing the aforementioned, that works too).
People generally do hate the biju. I mean, I became the host of one for goodness sake! Few people are climbing over each other to get the beasts in the first place, at least not in Konoha they aren't/weren't.
And no, haphazard slaugher is not fun, especially not for the victims or (if the defenders have anything to say about it) the attacker. The last time 'slaughter' took place, it was either single guy RPing the destruction or a battle broken down to a bitter OOC fight.
The 2/9 attempts is in regard to the villages in the series; Konoha and Suna are the only ones shown getting jacked up for their biju ( 1 and 9 tails respectively, which carries some irony to it I guess) while most any other shown getting captured were usually caught outside of their villages.
While making an entire village deal with biju challenges makes sense series-wise, it doesn't hold much more SL logic than outright getting rid of the pesky beasts altogether. Wait a minute... That's a great idea! Getting rid of the biju would make the world one step closer to making sense again! xD
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Getting rid of the biju would make the world one step closer to making sense again! xD
Let's do it.
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I vote we remove chakra all together, since the ninja's and the fighting aspect of the game seems to only cause trouble.
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I vote we remove organisms altogether, because they're only good at dying.
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The whole point in not allowing the village to 'store' the Buji makes sense to me. Seal it into someone... why does it always have to be the strongest in the village?
Plus I don't say get rid of Tailed Beast but rather the Tailed Beast challenges.... honestly this is a rp site. Why not do something that will aid in building better story lines?
Making it to where you have to track down the host does create a much great rp scheme of things. And may just encourage some rp.
@Rakudo: I am still apart of the SL community. Until Neji tells me to mine my own then I will make my contribution... There are those out there that do like to hear my input regardless of how you feel about it. I am not trying to enforce rules on SL but rather present some ideas for you guys to talk over.
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The Tailed Beasts are usually a sign of power and dominance to some villages. So of course there will be some incentive from a village to put up defenses against oncoming attackers. But that's not really the case with everyone, as some individuals have risen to be equal to the level of power of a Tailed Beast. Or even greater.
If they really matter so much to people and make a village's e-peen bigger, then I'm pretty sure that war against villages with more Tailed Beasts would have already broken out. Or will break out sometime. But this is just speculation.
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This is getting really off topic,I just wanted to talk about whether a few things were rules or not.
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The Tailed Beasts are usually a sign of power and dominance to some villages. So of course there will be some incentive from a village to put up defenses against oncoming attackers. But that's not really the case with everyone, as some individuals have risen to be equal to the level of power of a Tailed Beast. Or even greater.
If they really matter so much to people and make a village's e-peen bigger, then I'm pretty sure that war against villages with more Tailed Beasts would have already broken out. Or will break out sometime. But this is just speculation.
Why go to war when you can just send one person to challenge for them all? The challenging system kills story line rp.
And I know the argument that war or invasion are stupid because of the ooc bs... well I recall a time when SL had wars and village invasions that went quite well. Probably due to the rpers being accustom to how to conduct themselves in those times... this new generation doesn't understand those methods for they have never been presented with a good war or anything of the sort.
If SL could stop being assholes to each other and work together in rp regardless if you are pinned against each other or not the story lines would be much greater.
@Rakudo: I thought we were talking about the rules in general? SO would that leave it open to discuss making new rules? After all the title to the topic is 'Tailed Beast Rules Discussion'
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That's the title it isn't what I posted about though. My purpose is done, so we should start a new topic about new rules if we want to continue this so there isn't 3 meaningless pages in front of what we are talking about.
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Voiding all in-game resets would be taking things a little far, even from a host standpoint, but from the way Zenaku ended his statement, it doesn't seem as if the host is obligated to fight under unfavorable conditions.
It is slightly contradictory, but this is all before the match date has even be set, so it definitely falls under the category of 'before the match begins'. And if they aren't agreed upon, it seems the challenger doesn't have to challenge the host at all if they don't want to go by the host's rules.
I think that is pretty accurate. The host can still discuss wanting to ban a dozen things and you don't have to fight them if you don't want to go through their list with them.
This. I had already been arguing with you in our previous battle so I didn't feel like stating the obvious in our PMs. Also, I did say if you don't like it then don't challenge the Jinchuriki. Just like in RP if someone, for example, voids Rinnegan despite the person having the reborns then they will most likely ignore you if you RP with them and then use it.
I don't believe I've fought you before, if I had I probably wouldn't have been surprised by you saying you could just ban the use of my jutsu in the middle of the match so I couldn't beat you, which slightly contradicts your claim that you follow the rules as Zen stated.
I said I didn't feel like explaining it to you -- the Eric situation -- because you annoyed me in our previous argument with our fight. Also, I do follow the rules. I didn't ban the use of your jutsu but I was assuming that, by allowing you to use the Sharingan Rinnegan combo, whatever version of Kamui you used first was the only one you'd get but Kyu told me otherwise.
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Here's a little rule/suggestion that I would like to suggest.
1) If both users cannot get along despite their indifference in a Jinchuuriki fight then neither are fit to continue such a challenge until they are willing to compromise to the situation at hand. (Judges are brought in)
2) Users are only allowed to undergo one challenge per Jinchuuriki fight. (This includes alternates accounts)
3) Prior to challenges for Jinchuuriki fights, that user must state if it is IC or OOC in order to avoid confusion between the users.
These are little suggestions I came up with while observing you guys and from past experience myself as a former jinchuuriki. :oops:
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I'm not sure what you mean by #2 there.
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I'm not sure what you mean by #2 there.
To bluntly explain it, well...if a Jinchuuriki has to defend against his challenger then it's his priority to finish up that match before taking on any other challenges.
In other words, no two "bijuu" challenges going on at once by that same user on two separate accounts.
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Here's a little rule/suggestion that I would like to suggest.
1) If both users cannot get along despite their indifference in a Jinchuuriki fight then neither are fit to continue such a challenge until they are willing to compromise to the situation at hand. (Judges are brought in)
2) Users are only allowed to undergo one challenge per Jinchuuriki fight. (This includes alternates accounts)
3) Prior to challenges for Jinchuuriki fights, that user must state if it is IC or OOC in order to avoid confusion between the users.
These are little suggestions I came up with while observing you guys and from past experience myself as a former jinchuuriki. :oops:
As was pointed out by a clever hostess, getting multiple judges for a fight is counter-productive. As much as I would like to have my judge and the other guy have his judge, if those two judges don't agree, then we haven't gotten any farther than where we started.
But agreeing on one judge is a war all its own. Everyone is in it to win it, so obviously losing isn't on everyone's list. As Obito and Madara put it, the world is filled with winners and losers. And we'll be damned if we'll be the losers (if we can help it).
And Kamui, let's be honest, Rakudo is probably one of the few people who can assuredly be said to have multiple accounts period (myself too I suppose, but my two are related to each other anyways). In an overall sense, there is absolutely no way to know whether anyone is using an alt or not for fights. Fighting style, sometimes, is reliable, but it's a little late by the time the fight starts. Personality is too ambigious on a site like this.
While the idea has great merit, cross-checking with certainty is beyond the power of the average RPer, as, yes, you can be logged in to two accounts at the same time.
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As long as they don't conflict IC'ly I don't think multiple challenges should be disallowed, I am doing an inhuman amount right now but that's just because I got impatient. The only IC fight I am in right now is Madara fighting Oto. My fights against Nathan, Kamui, and Fakiwan are all OOC. Though I guess you could argue that I could lose my bijuu defense when a challenge has already been started and then what happens, to I get to keep using the bijuu for that one fight? I could see the issue.
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As long as they don't conflict IC'ly I don't think multiple challenges should be disallowed, I am doing an inhuman amount right now but that's just because I got impatient. The only IC fight I am in right now is Madara fighting Oto. My fights against Nathan, Kamui, and Fakiwan...
I disagree with this, particularly in the case should somebody else wish to challenge any of the hosts you've just mentioned.
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As long as they don't conflict IC'ly I don't think multiple challenges should be disallowed, I am doing an inhuman amount right now but that's just because I got impatient. The only IC fight I am in right now is Madara fighting Oto. My fights against Nathan, Kamui, and Fakiwan...
I disagree with this, particularly in the case should somebody else wish to challenge any of the hosts you've just mentioned.
This. So, using Rakudo as an example, all of his fights aside from Fakiwan would be voided because he has challenged multiple people on both Rakudo and Madara.
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Would once again over many times of stating such recommend a buji judge panel be formed that is of set, meaning odd number. Three or Five people I suppose.
These people would be the ones to pass judgement over all tailed beast fight... I don't understand where this is a bad idea really. Just cause the majority is a bunch of whiny ass chaps doesn't mean order does not need to be implanted.
Hell I would even run to be on this judges panel. Yeah, I can always return people....
Regardless I think a judge panel should be made.
I think I have always been one to not choose sides when judging a fight but tell people how I honestly felt about the subject and always for the most part brought out logical arguments to back my reasoning so yeah I'd without a doubt run for this.
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As long as they don't conflict IC'ly I don't think multiple challenges should be disallowed, I am doing an inhuman amount right now but that's just because I got impatient. The only IC fight I am in right now is Madara fighting Oto. My fights against Nathan, Kamui, and Fakiwan...
I disagree with this, particularly in the case should somebody else wish to challenge any of the hosts you've just mentioned.
This. So, using Rakudo as an example, all of his fights aside from Fakiwan would be voided because he has challenged multiple people on both Rakudo and Madara.
Yeah you'd like that, I'm sure. >_> Only challenged Kamui with Rakudo by the way. If we want to make it from now on you have to finish one fight before starting another I'd be fine with that.
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If we want to make it from now on you have to finish one fight before starting another I'd be fine with that.
Awesome.
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Would once again over many times of stating such recommend a buji judge panel be formed that is of set, meaning odd number. Three or Five people I suppose.
These people would be the ones to pass judgement over all tailed beast fight... I don't understand where this is a bad idea really. Just cause the majority is a bunch of whiny ass chaps doesn't mean order does not need to be implanted.
Hell I would even run to be on this judges panel. Yeah, I can always return people....
Regardless I think a judge panel should be made.
I think I have always been one to not choose sides when judging a fight but tell people how I honestly felt about the subject and always for the most part brought out logical arguments to back my reasoning so yeah I'd without a doubt run for this.
A judge panel for biju fights? Who is left to even be on such a thing and not, in one way or another, linked to the tailed beasts either via village ties or a direct host?
And I recall that being shot down some time ago because it would be like hurling coal into a fire, not to mention the most 'disorder' involved in biju fights, at the most, would be the discussion of the average SL issues.
The ones involving the biju rules come up because the rules themselves hadn't/haven't been updated in quite awhile, and there are conflicting tablets hither and fro.
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Would once again over many times of stating such recommend a buji judge panel be formed that is of set, meaning odd number. Three or Five people I suppose.
These people would be the ones to pass judgement over all tailed beast fight... I don't understand where this is a bad idea really. Just cause the majority is a bunch of whiny ass chaps doesn't mean order does not need to be implanted.
Hell I would even run to be on this judges panel. Yeah, I can always return people....
Regardless I think a judge panel should be made.
I think I have always been one to not choose sides when judging a fight but tell people how I honestly felt about the subject and always for the most part brought out logical arguments to back my reasoning so yeah I'd without a doubt run for this.
A judge panel for biju fights? Who is left to even be on such a thing and not, in one way or another, linked to the tailed beasts either via village ties or a direct host?
And I recall that being shot down some time ago because it would be like hurling coal into a fire, not to mention the most 'disorder' involved in biju fights, at the most, would be the discussion of the average SL issues.
The ones involving the biju rules come up because the rules themselves hadn't/haven't been updated in quite awhile, and there are conflicting tablets hither and fro.
The panel could be of people that were elected that the majority felt would not take sides in there judgment. I am sure there are at least three people at SL that can be good judges and not take sides.
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Would once again over many times of stating such recommend a buji judge panel be formed that is of set, meaning odd number. Three or Five people I suppose.
These people would be the ones to pass judgement over all tailed beast fight... I don't understand where this is a bad idea really. Just cause the majority is a bunch of whiny ass chaps doesn't mean order does not need to be implanted.
Hell I would even run to be on this judges panel. Yeah, I can always return people....
Regardless I think a judge panel should be made.
I think I have always been one to not choose sides when judging a fight but tell people how I honestly felt about the subject and always for the most part brought out logical arguments to back my reasoning so yeah I'd without a doubt run for this.
A judge panel for biju fights? Who is left to even be on such a thing and not, in one way or another, linked to the tailed beasts either via village ties or a direct host?
And I recall that being shot down some time ago because it would be like hurling coal into a fire, not to mention the most 'disorder' involved in biju fights, at the most, would be the discussion of the average SL issues.
The ones involving the biju rules come up because the rules themselves hadn't/haven't been updated in quite awhile, and there are conflicting tablets hither and fro.
The panel could be of people that were elected that the majority felt would not take sides in there judgment. I am sure there are at least three people at SL that can be good judges and not take sides.
Overall, and regardless of the circumstances? Finding so little potential bias to satisfy anyone on the site that might want to take up the gauntlet to challenge for the tailed beast? No potential, whether frabricated or not, seeing the judge as being neither, and completely uncaring towards RP, either it be of 'mainstream', 'sidestream', 'majority', 'minority', 'fun', 'serious', 'out of character' or even 'in character'.
I know and have yet to know any such person who would fit that kind of bill, either in theory or in practice, considering the vast amount of RP styles and preferences on SL.
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Would once again over many times of stating such recommend a buji judge panel be formed that is of set, meaning odd number. Three or Five people I suppose.
These people would be the ones to pass judgement over all tailed beast fight... I don't understand where this is a bad idea really. Just cause the majority is a bunch of whiny ass chaps doesn't mean order does not need to be implanted.
Hell I would even run to be on this judges panel. Yeah, I can always return people....
Regardless I think a judge panel should be made.
I think I have always been one to not choose sides when judging a fight but tell people how I honestly felt about the subject and always for the most part brought out logical arguments to back my reasoning so yeah I'd without a doubt run for this.
A judge panel for biju fights? Who is left to even be on such a thing and not, in one way or another, linked to the tailed beasts either via village ties or a direct host?
And I recall that being shot down some time ago because it would be like hurling coal into a fire, not to mention the most 'disorder' involved in biju fights, at the most, would be the discussion of the average SL issues.
The ones involving the biju rules come up because the rules themselves hadn't/haven't been updated in quite awhile, and there are conflicting tablets hither and fro.
The panel could be of people that were elected that the majority felt would not take sides in there judgment. I am sure there are at least three people at SL that can be good judges and not take sides.
Overall, and regardless of the circumstances? Finding so little potential bias to satisfy anyone on the site that might want to take up the gauntlet to challenge for the tailed beast? No potential, whether frabricated or not, seeing the judge as being neither, and completely uncaring towards RP, either it be of 'mainstream', 'sidestream', 'majority', 'minority', 'fun', 'serious', 'out of character' or even 'in character'.
I know and have yet to know any such person who would fit that kind of bill, either in theory or in practice, considering the vast amount of RP styles and preferences on SL.
I would say Zen is not bias. Rafudo as well is he is still around... I was extremely unbiased several times I went against my friends or comrades in rulings because they were wrong.
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Zen, Raifudo, yourself... All three of you belong to the same general RP group. All of you follow the same set of rules, regardless of whether they are followed by every active member of SL (it's getting that way since everyone is either heading off the radar or leaving the site). You're biased in the sense that you follow the rules established by a certain group about how to fight.
For example, some would argue that hiding is a move. Others would argue against it. Still others would say it's rather conditional. Or, some say biju challenges are outright ludicrious because they defy the logic of the series, while others have absolutely no issue with them.
Even still, while you all can say you're unbiased, do things that seem to support that and all, there is still never any telling on whether or not you, anyone, or me are not slightly biased without realizing it.
Summary: SL is still fairly large, and not everyone RP's as the most obvious canindates do. What is called legit in one language is a nonsense in another. If biju fights are explicitly for just those who want to follow the biju rules, then it's more narrowed, but at the same time, that means an entire set of the playerbase is left out in the cold. Judges with their own rules on the issue will only aide that cause with perceived bias which, in a RP environment, is grounds for not having them be a judge.
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I don't really see the point of a judge panel for ruling individual fights. It'll make more sense if the two RP'ers (challenger & defender) both speak to each other and agree on a single person to moderate and deliver final rulings for their battle. As long as both parties agree on who this single "final say" judge is going to be, neither side can argue or ask for second opinions of a ruling that doesn't go their way. Fights happen during challenges because when a ruling doesn't go someone's way, that person usually makes a big fuss about it and tries to get "second opinions" (aka the opinion of anyone who can form a decent sentence) and gets everyone involved to create a massive debate. This only complicates things.
As for doing any explanations or editing of Bijuu Rules, I say we just treat those rules the same way we all got together to discuss and edit the official Edo Tensei rules. We don't even need a bijuu council for that either in my opinion.
And with that said I'll disappear to start lurking again lol.
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*Munches chex-mix while listening in* I suppose i give people being adults and discussing things out before hand too much credit...
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*Munches chex-mix while listening in* I suppose i give people being adults and discussing things out before hand too much credit...
You do, it's getting to the point where I feel like I should just save every message someone sends me during a fight, lest they try and deny or twist what they said in some way.
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*Munches chex-mix while listening in* I suppose i give people being adults and discussing things out before hand too much credit...
What you give too much credit is that you are dealing with all adults here. >_> You are on the internet, I could just be a well versed 15 year old for all you know. You could be a well rounded geizer from the 20's for all I know... :P
And besides, even with beforehand discussions there can be disagreements. If things have to go lawyer style and every piece of evidence has to be saved in order to bring before the accused or the grand jury, then we might as well call this Kishimoto's narutoverse court instead of shinobilegends.