Shinobi Legends Forum
Game Development => Feature Requests => Topic started by: Mihazi on December 03, 2007, 06:29:33 AM
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I've played this game for awhile now and I still press the wrong hotkeys from time to time, which is usually when a forest event appears, the fight is not over, or when a new option is introduced into an area.
I hate that items have hotkeys because I press the wrong hotkey because I'm in a different country and I waste an item.
Maybe I'm not thinking right, rushing, or I am being careless but if I am allowed to set certain hotkeys then I won't have this problem.
I don't like clicking because it's slow and I might need to scroll down.
Is this possible?
I mostly dislike using CS2 when I tried to heal. I would like to be able to set hotkeys for jutsus.
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Yea I second this request, the one that gets me the most is the jutsu one. I hate using the damn healing jutsu when im thrillseeking at a rapid pace. I can kind of predict the answer though, something like this, "You should have more patience and pay attention to what you're doing rather then speeding through the game." That's if we're denied. >.> I'd be suprised and happy if it's a Go for this request. Yay. xD
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I imagine that this would be a huge drain on the server.
Then again, what do I know? I have no idea how php works!
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I also hate the hotkey 'O' for outhouse, which I visit every game day and you should too, because when Orochimaru appears then 'O' is for Orochimaru and 'H' is for outhouse. (The same thing happens when Kabuto appears)
I have grown used to it, but human error. I'm not perfect.
This was one of the factors that ended Mihazi's level sitting.
All that work down the drain.
If I was a sitter, I wouldn't set a hotkey at all for Orochimaru.
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well,i would like to take hotkeys off jutsus cause,Well,i have little chakra compared to you guys,and i am kinda pissed when i press the hotkey for the 15 chakra jutsu on a forest creature before killing oro,and i cant kill him without chakra/using a jutsu
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I can do other hotkeys, but I cannot do personal ones. The game layout is not made for that and a change would be deep at little gain.
If you have a better reassignment we can i.e. vote on, state it.
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I have same problem when keys change because of oro or Kabuto and i see most said hotkey problem was with oro option and kabuto, why not just remove hotkeys to slay oro and kabuto, that way it doesnt change anything
To think of a new hotkey setup when there are so many events with different keys and jutsus it would be very hard so that it doesnt change other keys,
i dont know but i say just remove option for hotkeys for oro and kabuto, i dont mind clicking to kill oro or kabuto to save me from so many mistakes but see everything has a hotkey so if you cant remove it just put a . behind kabuto and oro and make hotkey. that way it wont change nothing
What do you guys think?
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I think removing the hotkeys for Orochimaru & Kabuto (same as the village hotkeys are removed for Crazy Audrey) would be great for that bit of confusion.
As for CS1 & CS2 . . . I don't know a good way to address that. I happens to me occassionally.
I wish there were a way to "supress" the seals (like Kakashi tried to do to Sasuke) similar to how tattoos can be permanently removed.
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I want the CS/CS2 hotkey removed.
There are many opportunities to accidentally activate CS/CS2 because 'C' is used as a hotkey for too many things. It may be convenient to let your finger sit on 'C', but I don't want to do something I didn't want to do.
Examples:
I travel to Konoha Gakure and I usually enter the inn first, which is 'C', but if I press 'C' without noticing that I'm in a fight in between travels then I use CS/CS2.
I've done this at level 1 and that is a setback. Don't we hate setbacks?
Using almost the same example, I'm traveling to Rice Field and I'm prepared to go to sichea's apple shop which is also 'C' and I run into a fight that I didn't notice.
Even after you finish a fight during travel, 'C' is used for Continue and if I get into another fight and I don't notice then I could accidentally use CS/CS2.
When in the forest, 'C' is for complete heal and if I think the fight is over and I got hurt then I'm going to heal myself, but if the fight isn't over and I hit 'C' then I activate CS/CS2.
Also I want the hotkeys for items to be removed. Mostly in the village square, but the forest too. I rarely use items (I use the pills if I'm in a jiffy but that's pretty much it) and when I do it is accidently and they are usually the good items like talismans, specialty elixir, and chouji's pill.
I sometimes hit 'Y' instead of 'T' for travel (there are other rare instances), so Specialty Elixir wasted.
In the forest, talismans are listed and when Kabuto and Oro show, there are too many changes in hotkeys and I wind up wasting a talisman.
Chouji's pill you ask? Jumping into the fountain. <<
Weapon/armor shops are only in your country. Sometimes I login and I think I'm in my home country so I go to buy some weapons/armor, but I'm not in my home country and I most likely use one of my items.
This is what Sharuto was talking about.
Thrillseeking til end is 'H', but you are stopped mid fight when fighting multiple enemies if all didn't die when the first enemy died.
Pressing 'H' and you use the level 1 medical healing jutsu wasting chakra. I suffer this too. It gets worse if you have a higher cost jutsu that uses 'H'.
Note for sitters, you guys have lots of chakra/mastery of specialties, so don't you guys wish you could set a hotkey for the jutsu you use most?
Becasue all those jutsus have overlapping hotkeys, so some jutsus are left without a hotkey leaving the player to scroll down the list of jutsu to find the one he/she always uses.
'C' is also for clan, which is the same for most countries except Rice Field. Having them all the same would be helpful.
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Wow you hit alot of wrong things
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I want the CS/CS2 hotkey removed.
There are many opportunities to accidentally activate CS/CS2 because 'C' is used as a hotkey for too many things. It may be convenient to let your finger sit on 'C', but I don't want to do something I didn't want to do.
Examples:
I travel to Konoha Gakure and I usually enter the inn first, which is 'C', but if I press 'C' without noticing that I'm in a fight in between travels then I use CS/CS2.
I've done this at level 1 and that is a setback. Don't we hate setbacks?
Using almost the same example, I'm traveling to Rice Field and I'm prepared to go to sichea's apple shop which is also 'C' and I run into a fight that I didn't notice.
Even after you finish a fight during travel, 'C' is used for Continue and if I get into another fight and I don't notice then I could accidentally use CS/CS2.
When in the forest, 'C' is for complete heal and if I think the fight is over and I got hurt then I'm going to heal myself, but if the fight isn't over and I hit 'C' then I activate CS/CS2.
Also I want the hotkeys for items to be removed. Mostly in the village square, but the forest too. I rarely use items (I use the pills if I'm in a jiffy but that's pretty much it) and when I do it is accidently and they are usually the good items like talismans, specialty elixir, and chouji's pill.
I sometimes hit 'Y' instead of 'T' for travel (there are other rare instances), so Specialty Elixir wasted.
In the forest, talismans are listed and when Kabuto and Oro show, there are too many changes in hotkeys and I wind up wasting a talisman.
Chouji's pill you ask? Jumping into the fountain. <<
I feel what you are saying, but I just don't think it is feasible for this approach to be taken.
The best thing I can think of would be for INDIVIDUALS to be able to turn off all hotkeys or come up with an agreeable, common hotkey layout.
For this, you should make a proposal that covers items, jutsu, seals, etc.
This is what Sharuto was talking about.
Thrillseeking til end is 'H', but you are stopped mid fight when fighting multiple enemies if all didn't die when the first enemy died.
Pressing 'H' and you use the level 1 medical healing jutsu wasting chakra. I suffer this too. It gets worse if you have a higher cost jutsu that uses 'H'.
This has happened to me quite a bit and continues to do so. When I was training with Hyouton, H is level 3 (so 3 chakra points wasted). I just chalked it up to me needing to pay more attention.
Did it suck? Hell yeah! But ultimately, I could have prevented it with waiting just a fraction of a second more to pay full attention.
Note for sitters, you guys have lots of chakra/mastery of specialties, so don't you guys wish you could set a hotkey for the jutsu you use most?
Becasue all those jutsus have overlapping hotkeys, so some jutsus are left without a hotkey leaving the player to scroll down the list of jutsu to find the one he/she always uses.
Again, this affects me directly, but I think an individually customizable hotkey layout has already been ruled out due to the core of the system.
'C' is also for clan, which is the same for most countries except Rice Field. Having them all the same would be helpful.
This goes back to proposing a layout. I think 'C' for Clan in all countries would be great. I think the Bank should be the same in every location as well.
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Wow you hit alot of wrong things
Yes, I hit a lot of wrong things, so I ought to hit you, but I can't. ;)
Seems like you insulted me and now I'll be condescending towards you.
I listed instances where I have hit the wrong key.
Look at Sharuto and atomkai.
They experience many of the same things I do.
I do not expect you to understand some of my issues with hotkeys since you have SST and not CS/CS2 and you haven't done a one game day oro kill.
Unless you play another account that does have CS/MAINLY CS2, but that I do not know.
I am leveling fast, so I am hitting keys fast and sometimes the page loading doesn't keep up with my key pressing.
The things I do when I wrongly hit hotkeys are things I do regularly while playing the game.
Another way to put it, the oppurtunity to wrongly use a hotkey presents itself to me often.
Hotkey's are much faster than clicking in my opinion.
I am too lazy to point and click things I will be doing repeatedly for spans of time.
Actually, I am accustomed to the hotkeys changing on me and whatnot.
Look at my post. Do you think I am unaware of where in the game I should be careful about hotkeys? I listed some.
I am pushing myself to watch out for those instances, yet overtime I am tired of slipping up and hitting the wrong key and beating myself up about it.
I've wanted to request this for some time, but I didn't want to bother staff.
@atomkai
That is why I wanted personal hotkey settings, but Neji stated that individual hotkey settings aren't applicable.
So I wanted to remove some hotkeys because I am too lazy to factor in all the other 'things'/'links' right now for every player on SL to use.
I know it is most if not all my fault for wrongly hitting hotkeys, but I can't help it because I face these instances on a regular basis.
It is mainly the things that share the same hotkey and I am pressing it too much and the page isn't loading fast enough etc etc...
Argh, looking at all the layouts and deciding hotkeys and keeping the hotkeys the same for repeated shops etc.
I don't know all the layouts.
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Killing oro in one day compared to 2 is not gonna make a huge difference, and if killing yourself and resing didnt count as a day it would be 1 XD, Cause if you look i should only get 3 oro kills a day, there are some with 4, the one with 6 just went away
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turning off -> hm, possible
common layout -> ok
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I say turn off, kabuto, oro, CS, CS2
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well,There are only few hotkeys i dont want...or didnt,One time,when i was genin,I bought a wolfmasters kunai,and went to the weapon shop to check if its price had gone up XD,Then I wanted to return to wind country (R),but i think R was a hotkey for a weapon.SO instead of going back to wind country,I exchanged my lvl 15 weapon for a lvl 5 >_>.,So i petitioned and the hotkeys in weaponshops and armory got turned off...Hot keys i want to be turned off ..Jutsu list and item list,thats all
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Okay, so to recap the requests:
Turn off hotkeys for:
- "Bosses/mini-Bosses" (to include other such enemies when/if any are ever added/changed)
- CS1 / CS2 / SST (and increments thereof)
- "Special Items" (Special Elixir, Talisman of Defense / Attack, others????)
Make Standard (in all applicable countries/cities):
- Clan Halls
- Mission Headquarters
- Bank
Also, *IF POSSIBLE* have the Country / City Hotkeys not change when Missions show up in the Navigation.
Have I left out anything from the list of REQUESTS???
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The jutsus :roll:
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SST never gets in the way ever, and why "Special Items" (Special Elixir, Talisman of Defense / Attack, others?), you cant really waste them, since there not a certain amount of turn items, they last until you kill oro or get destroyed if you dont use them
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Special items?
Well, they are much rarer than most items and can really buff your character.
Yet, I don't need to use them because I level fine without the extra chakra/attack/defense.
I don't think they get destroyed either.
You don't consider it a waste to use these items, but I had a purpose for them and wasted most of these items before I was ready to use them.
I'm not being clear about that part, so I'll just say that I wanted to save up on these special items.
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I like hotkeys on jutsus though
See were all saying a bunch of stuff we all need to agree so neji can do this so
We all in agree turn off oro, kabuto, CS, CS2, SST and make standard each village
I say no to jutsus and special items I dont care either way
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@Mihazi: What did you think about my list? (See above)
@Chaoskin: What did you think about the same list?
I agree that the jutsu hotkeys need to stay.
How about this for a poll:
Changing Hotkey layout
It has been requested that the hotkey layout be changed.
Customizable hotkeys were requested but sadly are not worth the massive effort.
So, you have three choices:
A) Clan Halls, Bank, etc. are standardized in each village -AND- the hotkeys for CS & SST (and increments thereof) are turned off -AND- hotkeys for miniboss/boss (Kabuto/Orochimaru) are turned off -AND- hotkeys for specialty items (elixir, talismen, etc.) are turned off.
B) All of the above plus jutus hotkeys are turned off as well.
C) No change at all to the hotkey layout.
Those wanting to formally request a change, help fine tune the poll question and poll options. Try to keep it from being overly complicated (for instance, I think my own (A) is a bit cumbersome.
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@atomkai
I agree with everything you posted in the previous post.
I would like all those removed/synchronized.
Although I can't speak about SST since I do not know how it affects game play.
I also agree jutsu hotkeys should stay because those are used repeatedly and clicking them over and over is 'cumbersome'.
It's just that jutsus are the ones I would like to customize myself, so I don't use the wrong jutsu at the wrong time.
What I would like to change are hotkeys that I repeatedly use that are also set for things I rarely use/don't want to use. I think that is the main reason why I hit the wrong hotkeys.
So removing the hotkeys for things I rarely use is the solution for me because if I hit the hotkey at what would be the wrong time and nothing happens then I don't get angry and I avoid setbacks.
No matter what, I will have to settle for whatever becomes of this. :)
Edit:
About the poll, I don't think you should make it 'All of the above'.
I think we should allow people to check off what they would like to change or keep the same would be better.
I think A could be split up.
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Well, if a "select all applicable options" poll was doable, then:
Changing Hotkey Layout
It has been requested that the hotkey layout be changed.
Customizable hotkeys were requested but sadly are not worth the massive effort.
So, which changes would you like, if any:
A) Common "Shops" in each village have their hotkeys standardized. (Clan Halls, Bank, etc. as applicable)
B) The hotkeys for CS & SST (and increments thereof) are turned off
C) The hotkeys for miniboss/boss (Kabuto/Orochimaru) are turned off.
D) The hotkeys for specialty items (Specialty/Health Elixirs, Talismen of Attack/Defense, etc.) are turned off.
E) No change at all to the hotkey layout.
I really think the Common "Shops" should be done regardless of any other changes.
I really like the new Ninja Hall of Fame and how it has been reorganized.
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I think that people should use the hotkeys carefully, or just click. It's your own fault if you mess up .-.
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Judging by Marior's response, I wonder if a poll will do any good?
Since most players probably do not experience the problems I do with hotkeys because they lack experience with the game? ;)
Is clicking better than hotkeys?
Maybe clicking is more reliable when I am forced to click (because there is no hotkey) because it takes more time allowing the page to load.
Yet, I am willing to bet that clicking has its fair share of problems.
Anything that you do in the game that you are speeding through repeatedly could result in a misclick.
Imagine me clicking 'thrillseek til end' repeatedly, but the fight doesn't end and I click on jutsu where the 'thrillseek til end' was.
What? You want me to take 30 minutes to go through my turns to be 100% sure when it takes me 8 minutes?
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No i would rather die then click for turns, when I talk I talk with the letters lol, I have to think what its actually called, im sure alot of people make that mistake there just not here to say anything i say do the poll idea i like it
I talk to alot of people and they use hotkeys and hit wrong things when it changes
I say go with that poll
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I never mess up the hotkeys..all you have to do is look up at the screen and make sure you're pressing the rigt button
A poll would be a good idea for this.
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and that wastes time >.>
honestly, people speed press a whole lot.
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I do too, I just look at the screen when I type.
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Anyone who goes through 1+ dks per game day is bound to some mistakes due to how repetitive the game gets after playing for some time, regardless of whether your looking at the screen or not. Lower level players are more likely to be more patient while using their turns since they only receive a limited number, whereas players such as Mihazi essentially have "unlimited turns" where the focus is more on getting dks (speed). I like the atomkai's idea of a common layout for shops present in all villages, such as the bank and gardens. I think getting rid of the hotkeys for special items and CS1/2 is also worthwhile.
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How about getting rid of hotkeys for that randomly but often appearing lady that sells jewelry for 2 gems?
There are other events like that, but maybe do not appear as often.
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Ideally, getting rid of hotkeys from every special event would be awesome, but that would be pushing it too much....I think choices A, B, C and D from atomkai's list are all good, and maybe even the jutsus...but this topic got overshadowed by the introduction of Kekkai Genkai...