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Title: Mastering a Bijuu [Closed]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on February 05, 2016, 08:04:37 PM
Please vote yes or no. Please provide a suggestion for the number of weeks each level of mastery should take.

*] Mastering a Bijuu

The beast must be completely mastered before the Jinchuriki can access Tailed Beast Mode. The Bijuu Bomb can only be used while in Tailed Beast Mode. The Bijuu’s passive ability can be accessed immediately upon being sealed with the beast, but the power will be weaker than someone who has mastered the beast. It takes time to master the passive abilities of a bijuu. This will occur in five stages consisting of [insert number] weeks each, with a mid rage evolution stage to access partial transformations.
If a Jinchuriki attempts to access more tails than they have mastered they will lose control of the beast. If they were not already in a V2 cloak they will immediately ascend to such at the level of tails they attempted to access. They must then rp is much the same way as Naruto having lost control of Kurama. The host is unconscious and subject to the whims of a furious bijuu. They will attack perpetually until anything that could be perceived as an opponent is killed, this includes their own summons, such as animals or Edo Tensei zombies. The host will gain a tail each turn starting after the turn they first lost control. After reaching the maximum number of tails in the V2 state the host will ascend to the full bijuu form on the next turn. If this happens the host is killed and the challenger need only subdue the rampaging bijuu to win the match. [Note: This is a stopping the match issue, until the consequences of accessing powers that have not been acquired are included.]
And so...each host must include upon his bio on SL, and in his forum preference thread, his tail level mastery.

I vote yes, and 3 weeks for each level of mastery.
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: Bocchiere on February 05, 2016, 08:31:38 PM
I vote yes. Wish I had thought of it.
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on February 05, 2016, 08:42:06 PM
ha ha. i thought that you did? yeah i added a tiny thing but, this was your idea, as i recall.

Oh, please state how many weeks you want each level of mastery to take.
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: Suishou Koji on February 06, 2016, 06:43:29 AM
Yes. Three weeks is good for each stage. It isn't supposed to be instant for one to master each tail from what I've seen in the past.
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: Camel on February 06, 2016, 03:57:04 PM
I'm comfortable with three weeks per tail, so I vote yes.
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on February 06, 2016, 07:55:10 PM
That's nice Kamui, however it's not graded on tails, but 5 evolutionary stages, regardless of number of tails.
So rather than 3 week to master Shukaku and 27 weeks to master Kyuubi, it is 15 weeks for all hosts regardless of their bijuu. Hosts, not summoners.
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: Eric on February 06, 2016, 07:57:34 PM
Yes.

Make the consequences of ascending too high cause the user to fight only like a rabid tailed beast, and thus be unable to perform any specialized jutsu beyond cloak powers, and of being unable to break out of powerful genjutsu or something to that effect.
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: Warren on February 06, 2016, 09:15:05 PM
Fine with mastery time.

What's the point of the going over mastery thing tho? Host being as good as dead but getting their one last change to screw over the challenger so neither might get it?
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: Bocchiere on February 06, 2016, 10:50:37 PM
Fine with mastery time.

What's the point of the going over mastery thing tho? Host being as good as dead but getting their one last change to screw over the challenger so neither might get it?

Well if it's ooc you could release the bijuu entirely and win and then it's fine you just win.
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: Warren on February 07, 2016, 06:50:12 PM
I was recalling basically everyone agreed before if you go over your mastery then you're basically done, as good as dead. My point was do we just cut it off there or do we allow the basically already lost host to try screw over the challenger too, in which case they might lose as well and both are dead.
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on February 07, 2016, 08:51:45 PM
Hmmm. It is steadily becoming a convoluted issue. It seems like if we go the route where the host is NOT done if they go over-mastery that it is an exploitable situation. In that instance, who would be RPing the rogue bijuu anyway?

It might be best to declare them done. Did Naruto ever get himself under control after such a situation without outside aid?
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: Warren on February 07, 2016, 09:21:03 PM
Never. He always needed somebody to forcibly suppress it, be it Jiraya, Kakashi, Yamato or deus ex machina Minato.
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: Bocchiere on February 07, 2016, 09:32:58 PM
Never. He always needed somebody to forcibly suppress it, be it Jiraya, Kakashi, Yamato or deus ex machina Minato.

Yeah so if it is IC you die unless someone can suppress you. Until someone decides they have a seal that automatically does it or something. That being said if you know you're going to die you might decide to try and take them with you. For OOC if you go mad and kill them you still win, it's an OOC fight.
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on February 08, 2016, 05:43:12 AM
I don't understand the part where you say, if you go mad and kill them its still a win in an OOC match.

Why is that true?

If it is true then it should not be. You should not get to win for god modding, and that is what going over your mastery is. IC or OOC should not make a difference with that issue.

Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: Bocchiere on February 08, 2016, 05:47:00 AM
I don't understand the part where you say, if you go mad and kill them its still a win in an OOC match.

Why is that true?

If it is true then it should not be. You should not get to win for god modding, and that is what going over your mastery is. IC or OOC should not make a difference with that issue.

It's not god mod at all. It's a thing explicitly proven by the manga. The jinchuriki can choose to give in to their bijuu if they want. If your alive at the end of an ooc fight and your opponent isn't you win. End of story. I don't know if we actually have rules for a draw though.
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on February 08, 2016, 08:34:29 PM
That explains it better. Or unable to simply control the beast, not just choosing to give in.

Uhm, To me there is no draw. You either defeat the host...prove you can take his beast, or you failed to do this and lose. It's not a contest, its a robbery. You get away with the loot or you do not.

At what point can it be determined the challenger is just not strong enough to best the host? Or is this just not something we need to be concerned with?
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: Camel on February 09, 2016, 04:47:53 AM
That's nice Kamui, however it's not graded on tails, but 5 evolutionary stages, regardless of number of tails.
So rather than 3 week to master Shukaku and 27 weeks to master Kyuubi, it is 15 weeks for all hosts regardless of their bijuu. Hosts, not summoners.

My mistake. :oops: I was still going by the old concept that each level meant a subsequent tail is mastered.  I still stand firm with my vote and will be changing the topic in near future to include the tag: [Vote/Discussion]

That way we can keep this all organized and within the boundaries of it not going *slightly* off-topic due to any small chatter between the group.  :cool:
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on February 09, 2016, 05:28:18 AM
you could just go ahead and move it to discussion. it was not quite as ready to vote upon as I first assumed it would be. or whatever takes less work at this point.
too tired to...
yeah.
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote]
Post by: Bocchiere on February 09, 2016, 06:00:22 AM
you could just go ahead and move it to discussion. it was not quite as ready to vote upon as I first assumed it would be. or whatever takes less work at this point.
too tired to...
yeah.

This is the least amount of work for me.

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Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote/Discussion]
Post by: Mei on February 16, 2016, 12:53:28 AM
Yes for 3 weeks for each level of mastery.
I assume number of tails 'summoned' does not matter as long as the host is within the proper stage, correct?
Like the host of Gyuki can summon 8 tails in the V1 stage but cannot access V2.
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote/Discussion]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on February 25, 2016, 11:48:12 PM
Ok so far things stand here:

Mastering a Bijuu
yes = 8
3 weeks per level = 9

Ace = yes, 3 weeks
Asadi
Raifudo
Bocchiere =  yes, 3 weeks
Camel (Kamui) = yes. 3 weeks
Eric = yes, 3 weeks, no special jutsu beyond cloaked powers or breaking a genjutsu permitted.
Hades  = yes, 2 weeks
KayentaMoenkopi = yes, 3 weeks 
Mei = yes, 3 weeks, number of tails manifested is not inhibited, just abilities to enter cloaked stages beyond your mastery.   
Suishou Koji = yes, 3 weeks     
Warren = 3 weeks, questions point of overmastery consequences versus host just being done and match over as a penalty.

Please vote: Asadi, Ace, Raifudo

We seem to be set on the number of weeks for mastery and can split the topic for over mastery consequences into another thread if that is what is required as well as the point Mei brought up concerning what tail limitations, if any, are associated with the V1 Cloak.
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote/Discussion]
Post by: Hades on February 26, 2016, 12:07:41 AM
Yes, 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote/Discussion]
Post by: Ace on February 26, 2016, 07:41:20 PM
Yep, 3 weeks
Title: Re: Mastering a Bijuu [Vote/Discussion]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on February 26, 2016, 11:26:05 PM
Ok. we have a majority on the training levels and 3 weeks per each. So I am sending that to done. I have created a discussion thread for the consequences of overmastery issue so that those points raised here can be further explored.

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8861.0.html (http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8861.0.html)