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Village Square / Re: When Succ meets another Succ
« on: July 14, 2018, 03:37:15 AM »
I always assumed it came down to the basis and limits of the technique and the user, like how even though preta path can absorb chakra theirs a limit to how quickly it can drain it like when it got hit by Naruto's Rasen shuriken it took a while for it to completely absorb it. While Wood Dragon jutsu seems to on a large scale rapidly drain Biju chakra.
My Theory always was that should two same elements or chakra draining technique or chakra consuming jutsus clash it was always the more powerful one that was victorious i assumed the reason why Madara couldn't use preta path was because of the large drain it was making on his chakra preventing him from in a way reversing the flow and allowing him to drain the chakra from wood style. RP wise in a previous battle between two different types of chakra eating/absorbing both mine and my opponent's chakra negated each other because even though they were slightly different they're overall makeup and use were around equal footing resulting in neither getting the upper hand over each other.
Running off of Eric's talk of chakra absorbing barrier, I always assumed that one could easily just reverse the pull by using Petra Path, I didn't know there wasn't a rule already in place of it. I always assumed one could just pull one's chakra back from the air as it left or just corked it's direction and then drain the barrier of its own chakra rendering it moot, the same thing applying to Pain's Rain Jutsu on contact it would drain the chakra from the rain just returning it to water.
I apologize if I just retyped what a bunch of other people already said but I feel like only within certain conditions would abilities like chakra draining, absorption, and sensing ever really cancel each other out.
Chakra Draining- When one force meets one of equal pull = Negation of both parties.
One drains faster wood dragon > Preta Path
Chakra Absorption - Limits of both chakra e.g their Adaptability, Toxicity, Denseness, and overall general potency determine which eats which. This also in a way branching off to how elements like fire and wind either conquer one another, boost each other or end up negating one another.
Chakra Sensing- The manner in which one uses chakra to extend one sensing I feel like truly changes how one could equally nullify it. If two beacons both release a pulse I assume on contact they would both ricochet and only show info up to that point.
Now On Madara's post
2. If Naruto jumped in and gave Hashirama some Kurama chakra (non-senjutsu enhanced), would it boost the power of the absorption for the Dragon and would it matter against Blocking Technique Absorption Seal? I honestly don't think it would or could be enhanced, the jutsu was already launched, the chakra was already manipulated and used, the dragon in this scenario would already be receiving chakra from its target I don't think a jutsu could simultaneously pull in and push out huge amounts of chakra like that at once.
3. Do reserves matter at all in the equation? I feel as if reserves do matter in a clash for example if you and I both held a rope and pulled on it with equal force the person to get the rope or chakra would be the person to outlast the other in stamina or in this case chakra to continue using said technique. Now, this in relevance to madara and hasirama is tricky because I don't know whether Preta is or isn't activated by chakra then one could just keep draining chakra or reversing the flow of chakra pull until one of two things I imagine would happen.
A. The wood dragon consumption of chakra is more than what it's absorbing (because of using Preta's ability to at least, in theory, slow down the draining of chakra by fighting against the flow) and thus starts to drain Hashirama's reserves until he no longer has the reserves to continue it.
B. Preta Path requires a jump start of chakra that it can't achieve because of the wood dragon draining Madra of chakra in such a huge manner, that the technique would eventually drain him dry and then end or last indefinitely because of the Edo Tensei non-ending chakra being enough to give shape to dragon even beyond what's it's consuming to stay active.
Can they be "powered up" like regular jutsu, or do we just go by generalizations?
I feel like they shouldn't be able to be powered up because of the delicate nature of what your doing, I mean you're essentially taking one's chakra and turning into your own. I feel like it would come down to the technique and the ability you are using for example that one guy Sasuke fought in the chunnin prelims imagine that guy absorbing say biju or curse mark chakra,stuff that isn't meant for human in normal situations he would have died instantly while we have seen Preta take bijuu chakra and break it down into safe stuff Sasuke can use.
So Yes on power up but a big thumbs down on doing so, I feel like people would start to argue about argumentations like sage mode, etc.
My Theory always was that should two same elements or chakra draining technique or chakra consuming jutsus clash it was always the more powerful one that was victorious i assumed the reason why Madara couldn't use preta path was because of the large drain it was making on his chakra preventing him from in a way reversing the flow and allowing him to drain the chakra from wood style. RP wise in a previous battle between two different types of chakra eating/absorbing both mine and my opponent's chakra negated each other because even though they were slightly different they're overall makeup and use were around equal footing resulting in neither getting the upper hand over each other.
Running off of Eric's talk of chakra absorbing barrier, I always assumed that one could easily just reverse the pull by using Petra Path, I didn't know there wasn't a rule already in place of it. I always assumed one could just pull one's chakra back from the air as it left or just corked it's direction and then drain the barrier of its own chakra rendering it moot, the same thing applying to Pain's Rain Jutsu on contact it would drain the chakra from the rain just returning it to water.
I apologize if I just retyped what a bunch of other people already said but I feel like only within certain conditions would abilities like chakra draining, absorption, and sensing ever really cancel each other out.
Chakra Draining- When one force meets one of equal pull = Negation of both parties.
One drains faster wood dragon > Preta Path
Chakra Absorption - Limits of both chakra e.g their Adaptability, Toxicity, Denseness, and overall general potency determine which eats which. This also in a way branching off to how elements like fire and wind either conquer one another, boost each other or end up negating one another.
Chakra Sensing- The manner in which one uses chakra to extend one sensing I feel like truly changes how one could equally nullify it. If two beacons both release a pulse I assume on contact they would both ricochet and only show info up to that point.
Now On Madara's post
2. If Naruto jumped in and gave Hashirama some Kurama chakra (non-senjutsu enhanced), would it boost the power of the absorption for the Dragon and would it matter against Blocking Technique Absorption Seal? I honestly don't think it would or could be enhanced, the jutsu was already launched, the chakra was already manipulated and used, the dragon in this scenario would already be receiving chakra from its target I don't think a jutsu could simultaneously pull in and push out huge amounts of chakra like that at once.
3. Do reserves matter at all in the equation? I feel as if reserves do matter in a clash for example if you and I both held a rope and pulled on it with equal force the person to get the rope or chakra would be the person to outlast the other in stamina or in this case chakra to continue using said technique. Now, this in relevance to madara and hasirama is tricky because I don't know whether Preta is or isn't activated by chakra then one could just keep draining chakra or reversing the flow of chakra pull until one of two things I imagine would happen.
A. The wood dragon consumption of chakra is more than what it's absorbing (because of using Preta's ability to at least, in theory, slow down the draining of chakra by fighting against the flow) and thus starts to drain Hashirama's reserves until he no longer has the reserves to continue it.
B. Preta Path requires a jump start of chakra that it can't achieve because of the wood dragon draining Madra of chakra in such a huge manner, that the technique would eventually drain him dry and then end or last indefinitely because of the Edo Tensei non-ending chakra being enough to give shape to dragon even beyond what's it's consuming to stay active.
Can they be "powered up" like regular jutsu, or do we just go by generalizations?
I feel like they shouldn't be able to be powered up because of the delicate nature of what your doing, I mean you're essentially taking one's chakra and turning into your own. I feel like it would come down to the technique and the ability you are using for example that one guy Sasuke fought in the chunnin prelims imagine that guy absorbing say biju or curse mark chakra,stuff that isn't meant for human in normal situations he would have died instantly while we have seen Preta take bijuu chakra and break it down into safe stuff Sasuke can use.
So Yes on power up but a big thumbs down on doing so, I feel like people would start to argue about argumentations like sage mode, etc.