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Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: AkiraTheLegendaryANBU on May 14, 2014, 03:21:21 AM
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Ok guys, I realize this is probably a stupid topic to start but here goes. Now I get that we all just love our doujutsu and all the crazy powers they grant us, but I'm experiencing a sort of dilemma here in light of some of the newer in formation as revealed by the So6P in the manga. Originally we just kind of figured that the Rinnegan was just some rarely occurring doujutsu because of Nagato just having it. Then we eventually came to know that Madara ended up giving Nagato the Rinnegan without him knowing about it (probably through some genjutsu mind-wipe or something) after he mixed Hashirama's DNA with his own. Which lead us to believe that Mokuton + Sharingan = Rinnegan. After which in an attempt to lower how many people could utilize the Rinnegan on SL people started requiring maxed Mokuton and Sharingan resets along with Rinnegan resets as well to make it legit. Now what always seemed off was the fact that Danzo had multiple Sharingan, one of which being Shisui's Mangekyou Sharingan eye, and Hashirama's DNA BUT for some reason he never awakened the Rinnegan in ANY of those Sharingan eyes. Now thanks to the last couple chapters it's become relatively clear that the Rinnegan is actually more or less attained by mixing the chakra of Ashura & Indra.
For those of you who aren't familiar, those two were the sons of the So6Ps. And their powers were so great that after they died they're chakra kept getting passed down to particular individuals through the generations. Hashirama & Madara was one such rivalry where Ashura & Indra's chakras were in play, thus meaning that when Madara implanted Hashirama's DNA inside himself he had successfully mixed both chakra signatures to allow the Sharingan to awaken into the famous Rinnegan. Which is why Danzo was unable to do so, seeing as none of his Sharingans nor his own chakra signature has the necessary essence of Indra to mix with Ashura's, which he possessed through Hashirama DNA.
So here in lies my question. If Mokuton & Sharingan isn't required for the Rinnegan anymore, then how is this gonna work out on SL? Does the criteria change to needing the proper resets along with possessing the chakra of Ashura or Indra respectively (and thus being something of their incarnation) AND mixing the chakra of your friend/rival to then lay claim to this legendary KG? And if so, then exactly how many reincarnations of Ashura & Indra are going to be running around SL? Cause if we go by reincarnation as both we and the series know it, then there will only be 1 pair of individuals each generation to act as incarnations of Ashura & Indra. And a new pair will only show up after the last pair inevitably dies. So what are your thoughts?
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I say we keep doing what we have been doing. That is? Pretending the Indra/Ashura thing never happened. SL is a different world where characters from Naruto don't exist or are completely different.
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I haven't thought about that concept in a long time however I've never used the Rinnegan in rp...yet. I suppose we should keep what we were doing...however obtaining Limbo should only be used with pure Rinnegan eyes and not implanted eyes. I've made this note before.
Also obtaining Limbo should be confirmed by other rp judges before it can be taken into effect seeing that only one thing can counter it and that is Six Sage powers.
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I think that the whole Rinnegan thing is over played. If you have the resets for it them rp it. And I say even if you have the Rinnegan resets and not the others you should be able to use it.
What if you want to use Rinnegan only like Nagato? Why should you have to get Senju DNA and EMS in order for that? IT is just stupid.
Plus it is hardly fair that one can easily use Sage Mode upon gaining 6 resets but you have to have a much higher amount to use Rinnegan. Really Sage Mode is more OP than Rinnegan.
So I say just get the resets for it and rp with it..... or hell just rp however you damn well want to and don't worry about others. There are always people out there that will rp with you. Stop trying to please everyone else and just have fun yourself.
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... or hell just rp however you damn well want to and don't worry about others. There are always people out there that will rp with you. Stop trying to please everyone else and just have fun yourself.
And that is why a Great Shinobi War in current SL is not possible. But I digress, I agree with that end point nonetheless, as there will always be a group to join in with.
I say we keep doing what we have been doing. That is? Pretending the Indra/Ashura thing never happened. SL is a different world where characters from Naruto don't exist or are completely different.
This is the most practical answer to this issue, as it would be impractical to try to do anything else, unless you really want to start up a storm and make most if not all of the SL population surrender their precious Rinnegan. Then we'll have even more sage mode users, and as Kirk pointed out, that can get kind of OP if you know what you're doing (and don't have the Rinnegan to compete with).
Not the answer I really like, but probably the most practical option at this point.
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Ok, so then just to recap the idea that the Rinnegan goes unchanged we'd have to accept convenient self-made plot-holes. Like that the Shinju, Kaguya, So6Ps, and his kids don't exist and yet the Sharingan, Byakugan, and Rinnegan all just magically exist in a world that has always been a ninja-verse. Same for the the 9 tailed beasts and the fact that they can merge into an almighty 10 tailed beast. And that we just need to mix Mokuton & Sharingan to make Rinnegan in a similar transformational way? Am I understanding the logic that's being utilized to keep the status quo?
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Ok, so then just to recap the idea that the Rinnegan goes unchanged we'd have to accept convenient self-made plot-holes. Like that the Shinju, Kaguya, So6Ps, and his kids don't exist and yet the Sharingan, Byakugan, and Rinnegan all just magically exist in a world that has always been a ninja-verse. Same for the the 9 tailed beasts and the fact that they can merge into an almighty 10 tailed beast. And that we just need to mix Mokuton & Sharingan to make Rinnegan in a similar transformational way? Am I understanding the logic that's being utilized to keep the status quo?
Yes.
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We have to remember that the SL-verse =/= Narutoverse in terms of history. The current Rinnegan-obtaining system is fine as it is.
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I still don't understand why one can not just have the Rinnegan resets to use the Rinnegan? I mean what if you don't want an account with all those resets and all.
Why can you not just have those resets and rp a Nagato like character which is crippled like with six other bodies that have to be obtained via the death of some in-character characters? I honestly see nothing wrong with this.
edit in: And if you void someone who rps in that manner then you are just being an ass. Really how is a cripple that uses the Rinnegan's Six Paths of Pain Tech more OP than a person who has EMS, Mokuton, Rinnegan, and all the elements?
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Because that isn't how the Rinnegan is born. You can implant Rinnegan eyes into someone without Senju or Uchiha and they will essentially be Nagato.
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Because that isn't how the Rinnegan is born. You can implant Rinnegan eyes into someone without Senju or Uchiha and they will essentially be Nagato.
The Rinnegan is born by the combination of Ashura and the other guy's chakras, which would require reincarnations of them.
That's just being technical. Without that little bit, it would be relatively unimportant to have Mokuton and Uchiha backgrounds, and thus, it would make a degree of sense to have just the Rinnegan as a requirement.
Now, doing that might have more Rinnegan running around, but frankly, it hasn't stemmed the tide very much if it at all.
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That's just being technical. Without that little bit, it would be relatively unimportant to have Mokuton and Uchiha backgrounds, and thus, it would make a degree of sense to have just the Rinnegan as a requirement.
Now, doing that might have more Rinnegan running around, but frankly, it hasn't stemmed the tide very much if it at all.
This is the only reason I don't have more than one character running around with the Rinnegan (right now).
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I just say for those who only have rinnegan make them handicap and that should be a big enough debuff.
Really not many people will want to be a cripple I think. Then again I don't see Rinnegan as being all that OP
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You haven't seen what it can do then. The Paths are nothing compared to users of 'pure' Rinnegan.
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You haven't seen what it can do then. The Paths are nothing compared to users of 'pure' Rinnegan.
You do know you can make use of the Six Paths technique with just the pure Rinnegan itself?
This is not including users, whom make use of Limbo Hengoku....
I see it like this, users of Senjutsu are on par with Rinnegan users; just we have more Rinnegan users then Senjutsu users on here then anything.
Maybe we can change this in the future.
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You haven't seen what it can do then. The Paths are nothing compared to users of 'pure' Rinnegan.
You do know you can make use of the Six Paths technique with just the pure Rinnegan itself?
This is not including users, whom make use of Limbo Hengoku....
I see it like this, users of Senjutsu are on par with Rinnegan users; just we have more Rinnegan users then Senjutsu users on here then anything.
Maybe we can change this in the future.
I feel it is slowly shifting.
Also if you know how to counter it then it is all well. And as for this Limbo BS are we allowing that at SL cause come on really it is to OP. No one here has the SoSP super gift to be able to sense it or see it. Unless we make it to where all Senjutsu users can sense them and all Dojutsu can see them. I think it should be buffed to were sensors can sense them and any dojutsu see them.
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I feel it is slowly shifting.
Also if you know how to counter it then it is all well. And as for this Limbo BS are we allowing that at SL cause come on really it is to OP. No one here has the SoSP super gift to be able to sense it or see it. Unless we make it to where all Senjutsu users can sense them and all Dojutsu can see them. I think it should be buffed to were sensors can sense them and any dojutsu see them.
Well...in the canon manga only users of the Rinnegan see the full corporeal from of that users shadow and Sage of the Six Paths Senjutsu can only sense it as well as hurt them with Senjutsu-based attacks.
SL-wise?
I feel that Rinnegan-users can see it and Senjutsu users can sense but also hurt them.
Byakugan? Well...I don't think it would be able to see something corporeal as described from Limbo; if it's chakra well perhaps it could be seen by all doujutsu but this hasn't been explained fully yet if the shadows derive from the user's chakra.
It could be though since any damage done in corporeal from is reflected to the original, so it's plausible that maybe certain doujustu that can see chakra will see or sense the corporeal shadows.
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Or we could just use it like a long range Shinra Tensei like it seemed to be before it was "explained". Like me. Because invisible alternate dimension ghosts are veeeeeeeeeeeeeery dumb.
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I feel it is slowly shifting.
Also if you know how to counter it then it is all well. And as for this Limbo BS are we allowing that at SL cause come on really it is to OP. No one here has the SoSP super gift to be able to sense it or see it. Unless we make it to where all Senjutsu users can sense them and all Dojutsu can see them. I think it should be buffed to were sensors can sense them and any dojutsu see them.
Well...in the canon manga only users of the Rinnegan see the full corporeal from of that users shadow and Sage of the Six Paths Senjutsu can only sense it as well as hurt them with Senjutsu-based attacks.
SL-wise?
I feel that Rinnegan-users can see it and Senjutsu users can sense but also hurt them.
Byakugan? Well...I don't think it would be able to see something corporeal as described from Limbo; if it's chakra well perhaps it could be seen by all doujutsu but this hasn't been explained fully yet if the shadows derive from the user's chakra.
It could be though since any damage done in corporeal from is reflected to the original, so it's plausible that maybe certain doujustu that can see chakra will see or sense the corporeal shadows.
I'm aware of how it works canon wise but for rp purposes it should be a thing that requires chakra and the shadows should be chakra based. Other wise spamming will take place and such... really anyone without Rinnegan or Sage Art by that logic can't defend against it and would be auto-hit worthy in terms of rp. Sense auto-hitting is against the rules it wouldn't be allowed to be used.
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I feel it is slowly shifting.
Also if you know how to counter it then it is all well. And as for this Limbo BS are we allowing that at SL cause come on really it is to OP. No one here has the SoSP super gift to be able to sense it or see it. Unless we make it to where all Senjutsu users can sense them and all Dojutsu can see them. I think it should be buffed to were sensors can sense them and any dojutsu see them.
Well...in the canon manga only users of the Rinnegan see the full corporeal from of that users shadow and Sage of the Six Paths Senjutsu can only sense it as well as hurt them with Senjutsu-based attacks.
SL-wise?
I feel that Rinnegan-users can see it and Senjutsu users can sense but also hurt them.
Byakugan? Well...I don't think it would be able to see something corporeal as described from Limbo; if it's chakra well perhaps it could be seen by all doujutsu but this hasn't been explained fully yet if the shadows derive from the user's chakra.
It could be though since any damage done in corporeal from is reflected to the original, so it's plausible that maybe certain doujustu that can see chakra will see or sense the corporeal shadows.
...it [shouldn't] be allowed to be used.
There we go, now I agree with this part of the discussion. ^_^
Limbo as it is in the canon should not be used/permitted here on SL.
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I feel it is slowly shifting.
Also if you know how to counter it then it is all well. And as for this Limbo BS are we allowing that at SL cause come on really it is to OP. No one here has the SoSP super gift to be able to sense it or see it. Unless we make it to where all Senjutsu users can sense them and all Dojutsu can see them. I think it should be buffed to were sensors can sense them and any dojutsu see them.
Well...in the canon manga only users of the Rinnegan see the full corporeal from of that users shadow and Sage of the Six Paths Senjutsu can only sense it as well as hurt them with Senjutsu-based attacks.
SL-wise?
I feel that Rinnegan-users can see it and Senjutsu users can sense but also hurt them.
Byakugan? Well...I don't think it would be able to see something corporeal as described from Limbo; if it's chakra well perhaps it could be seen by all doujutsu but this hasn't been explained fully yet if the shadows derive from the user's chakra.
It could be though since any damage done in corporeal from is reflected to the original, so it's plausible that maybe certain doujustu that can see chakra will see or sense the corporeal shadows.
...it [shouldn't] be allowed to be used.
There we go, now I agree with this part of the discussion. ^_^
Limbo as it is in the canon should not be used/permitted here on SL.
I agree with Eric.
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I agree with Eric as well.
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I'd have to agree with the agreement. Limbo seems like you need to have particular resets to even have a chance dealing with the nonsense that is the Limbo technique. In response to Bocc's concerns I'd just say drop Limbo and just say you're good enough with the Deva path's gravity powers to perform precise gravity bitch-slaps and call it a day. XD
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Exactly. Do some of you guys really need Limbo? If you have the Rinnegan already, the paths are plenty.
Bocchi couldn't have said it better.
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Exactly. Do some of you guys really need Limbo? If you have the Rinnegan already, the paths are plenty.
Bocchi couldn't have said it better.
Awwww, then how am I gonna have a guy's night out with my shadows? :P
I planned a Poker Night and everything...
But really...their are more OP things then Rinnegan such as Mokuton, Shakuton, Bakuton, Jiton, Some but not all Custom KT/KG or any of those other Immortality techniques. (Living Corpse Reincarnation, Jashinism, Jiongu, ETC)
Since Limbo is actually derived from the Deva Path then you can actually just make it less powerful; as you said and make in a rather long-range Shinra Tensei.
However what about the shadows' physical capabilities that they inflict upon their opponent; like keeping them afloat or taking the brunt of an attack? How would this be worked upon?
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That was my point. No ghosts. At all. You look at a point (ah la Kamui) and from there an omni-directional Shinra Tensei is launched. That's how I will be using it.
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Exactly. Do some of you guys really need Limbo? If you have the Rinnegan already, the paths are plenty.
Bocchi couldn't have said it better.
Awwww, then how am I gonna have a guy's night out with my shadows? :P
I planned a Poker Night and everything...
But really...their are more OP things then Rinnegan such as Mokuton, Shakuton, Bakuton, Jiton, Some but not all Custom KT/KG or any of those other Immortality techniques. (Living Corpse Reincarnation, Jashinism, Jiongu, ETC)
Since Limbo is actually derived from the Deva Path then you can actually just make it less powerful; as you said and make in a rather long-range Shinra Tensei.
However what about the shadows' physical capabilities that they inflict upon their opponent; like keeping them afloat or taking the brunt of an attack? How would this be worked upon?
Just make them invisible shadow clones >.>
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Exactly. Do some of you guys really need Limbo? If you have the Rinnegan already, the paths are plenty.
Bocchi couldn't have said it better.
Awwww, then how am I gonna have a guy's night out with my shadows? :P
I planned a Poker Night and everything...
But really...their are more OP things then Rinnegan such as Mokuton, Shakuton, Bakuton, Jiton, Some but not all Custom KT/KG or any of those other Immortality techniques. (Living Corpse Reincarnation, Jashinism, Jiongu, ETC)
Since Limbo is actually derived from the Deva Path then you can actually just make it less powerful; as you said and make in a rather long-range Shinra Tensei.
However what about the shadows' physical capabilities that they inflict upon their opponent; like keeping them afloat or taking the brunt of an attack? How would this be worked upon?
Just make them invisible shadow clones >.>
So would clones of your shadow be shadow shadow clones?
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Exactly. Do some of you guys really need Limbo? If you have the Rinnegan already, the paths are plenty.
Bocchi couldn't have said it better.
Awwww, then how am I gonna have a guy's night out with my shadows? :P
I planned a Poker Night and everything...
But really...their are more OP things then Rinnegan such as Mokuton, Shakuton, Bakuton, Jiton, Some but not all Custom KT/KG or any of those other Immortality techniques. (Living Corpse Reincarnation, Jashinism, Jiongu, ETC)
Since Limbo is actually derived from the Deva Path then you can actually just make it less powerful; as you said and make in a rather long-range Shinra Tensei.
However what about the shadows' physical capabilities that they inflict upon their opponent; like keeping them afloat or taking the brunt of an attack? How would this be worked upon?
Just make them invisible shadow clones >.>
So would clones of your shadow be shadow shadow clones?
Dying right now. xD
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Exactly. Do some of you guys really need Limbo? If you have the Rinnegan already, the paths are plenty.
Bocchi couldn't have said it better.
But really...their are more OP things then Rinnegan such as Mokuton, Shakuton, Bakuton, Jiton, Some but not all Custom KT/KG or any of those other Immortality techniques. (Living Corpse Reincarnation, Jashinism, Jiongu, ETC)
Since Limbo is actually derived from the Deva Path then you can actually just make it less powerful; as you said and make in a rather long-range Shinra Tensei.
Yeah, the KG and KT that you listed can be absorbed by Rinnegan techniques. Living Corpse Reincarnation, last time I checked, only brought back zombies that could not use their full strength. Even if they could use their full strength, they are not Edo Tensei on the level of being able to regenerate and limitless stamina and all.
On its own, Jiongu and Jashinism are not OP. Combine them together, and you got a different story, but on its own the Rinnegan is plenty powerful. The only legitimate comparison to a fully decked out Rinnegan (plus EMS) is perfect sage mode or a custom Hyugan setup.
And Limbo cannot be derived from the Deva Path unless the controlling of gravity is the shadow doing all the pulling and pushing (with the planet creation tech being an exception). Otherwise, it is clearly a "Creation of all things" type of technique that does not necessarily fall under the Six Paths. If it does, it would have to be the Outer Path due to its power over life and death (and presumably a thing or two inbetween).
They use "shadow", but honestly, it is the creation of a clone in a different dimension/world that can affect this current world, more like a ghost than anything else.
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Yup, Eric hit the nail on the head with that one. Rinnegan is essentially God Mode incarnate vs a good chunk of SL. All the things, like Eric said, that Kirk mentioned that are more op than Rinne on it's own aren't; atleast in my opinion.
Dust release!
Pfffft, Preta path
Everything else!!
Pffft almighty push...
Okay! Taijutsu!
Nuke? >> no no nvm, Human path.
If you're not of the top 10% of Shinobi and you're fairing against a fully decked Rinne goodluck xDD
And the act of multidimensional "ghost Kage-Kage Bunshins" at their disposal is meh. I say they have enough toys already.
As for the topic itself, I say keep it like it is. I'm an un-biased opinion. The diversity is good for role-play, but don't act like Rinnegan isn't op, I mean the very 1st path gives you the option to level an enter village into ruble...and that's just Shinrai Tensei. I can't count how many times people have attempted the Bansho Ten'in Kamui combo on me xDD but i digress.
So yeah, keep the ball rolling I guess.
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Yup, Eric hit the nail on the head with that one. Rinnegan is essentially God Mode incarnate vs a good chunk of SL. All the things, like Eric said, that Kirk mentioned that are more op than Rinne on it's own aren't; atleast in my opinion.
Dust release!
Pfffft, Preta path
To be fair, Dust Release is pretty OP in it completely eliminating whatever it comes into contact with at the atomic level. Not to mention, Dust Release apparently doesn't require resets. Just some training and claiming.
Everything else!!
Pffft almighty push...
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Shinra_Tensei#Drawbacks
With sufficient strength, from a person or a powerful technique, one can resist it.
Okay! Taijutsu!
Nuke? >> no no nvm, Human path.
They would have to get their hands on you first. It didn't really seem like Gai or Lee had a problem taking on Madara when worrying about the Human Path's abilities. Besides, one of it's greatest strengths is it's mind-reading thing, which would require the user to pretty much be still and not get a kunai through their head.
If you're not of the top 10% of Shinobi and you're fairing against a fully decked Rinne goodluck xDD
And the act of multidimensional "ghost Kage-Kage Bunshins" at their disposal is meh. I say they have enough toys already.
As for the topic itself, I say keep it like it is. I'm an un-biased opinion. The diversity is good for role-play, but don't act like Rinnegan isn't op, I mean the very 1st path gives you the option to level an enter village into ruble...and that's just Shinrai Tensei. I can't count how many times people have attempted the Bansho Ten'in Kamui combo on me xDD but i digress.
So yeah, keep the ball rolling I guess.
You also have to take into consideration that people with a full Path-unlocked Rinnegan are also probably within that top 10%. Not to mention others who have developed countermeasures (like myself) against the Rinnegan's god-like abilities. Or even those (like myself) who have reached a level of power, skill or ability to take on the Rinnegan's stuff.
Now here's something new to bring to the table. What exactly is the purpose of a Rinnegan that is in the form of a six-tomoe (Sasuke) or nine-tomoe (Kaguya and the Juubi) Sharingan? What do they entail and what similar or different abilities do they give? Hagoromo has this Rinnegan separate from his own two Rinnegan eyes, so it is a Rinnegan and has been called such, but it's a different form of it that grants something else. I bring this up because I've started to see a few people claim it here and there.
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I don't need to argue why the Rinnegan isn't a big deal anymore. Sage Mode is much more ripe for abuse.
If people want to claim the Tomoe Rinnegan just to have one then they can, but nothing has been explained about it or how it works. So it would just act as a normal Rinnegan IC.
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Yup, Eric hit the nail on the head with that one. Rinnegan is essentially God Mode incarnate vs a good chunk of SL. All the things, like Eric said, that Kirk mentioned that are more op than Rinne on it's own aren't; atleast in my opinion.
Dust release!
Pfffft, Preta path
To be fair, Dust Release is pretty OP in it completely eliminating whatever it comes into contact with at the atomic level. Not to mention, Dust Release apparently doesn't require resets. Just some training and claiming.
Everything else!!
Pffft almighty push...
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Shinra_Tensei#Drawbacks
With sufficient strength, from a person or a powerful technique, one can resist it.
Okay! Taijutsu!
Nuke? >> no no nvm, Human path.
They would have to get their hands on you first. It didn't really seem like Gai or Lee had a problem taking on Madara when worrying about the Human Path's abilities. Besides, one of it's greatest strengths is it's mind-reading thing, which would require the user to pretty much be still and not get a kunai through their head.
If you're not of the top 10% of Shinobi and you're fairing against a fully decked Rinne goodluck xDD
And the act of multidimensional "ghost Kage-Kage Bunshins" at their disposal is meh. I say they have enough toys already.
As for the topic itself, I say keep it like it is. I'm an un-biased opinion. The diversity is good for role-play, but don't act like Rinnegan isn't op, I mean the very 1st path gives you the option to level an enter village into ruble...and that's just Shinrai Tensei. I can't count how many times people have attempted the Bansho Ten'in Kamui combo on me xDD but i digress.
So yeah, keep the ball rolling I guess.
You also have to take into consideration that people with a full Path-unlocked Rinnegan are also probably within that top 10%. Not to mention others who have developed countermeasures (like myself) against the Rinnegan's god-like abilities. Or even those (like myself) who have reached a level of power, skill or ability to take on the Rinnegan's stuff.
Dust release can be defeated if you either interfere with the hands of the user or absorb/seal the technique itself. Not to mention space-time ninjutsu.
In the SL verse, all you have to do is add moar power to the almighty push.
As for taijutsu... Well let's be real, what Rinnegan user would even want to engage in a taijutsu match unless they just want the practice/challenge? Even if forced into it, all they would need to do is get a hand on the attacking pendage. Unless it's on fire or something of that nature, then while you might get a broken hand out of the deal, you may also get a soul and all of its knowledge as well. Decent trade-off.
I don't see how pointing out that some of the top 10% also consist of those same Rinnegan users. Those who take the time for counter-measures are likely the remaining percentage of that 10%, which is still less than three quarters of the entire SL population, with slightly more lop when you consider the noobs with Rinnegan.
I don't need to argue why the Rinnegan isn't a big deal anymore. Sage Mode is much more ripe for abuse.
If people want to claim the Tomoe Rinnegan just to have one then they can, but nothing has been explained about it or how it works. So it would just act as a normal Rinnegan IC.
If people put the time into it, yes, Sage mode is more ripe for abuse. But... There are the lazy ones...
And I agree with that point, the Tomoe Rinnegan does not seem particularly special except that it granted Sasuke some special teleportation technique, one which has hardly been explained at all. It might just be nothing more than a combination of the sharingan's tomoe abilities and the Rinnegan.