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Game Development => Feature Requests => Clan Requests => Topic started by: Shinku on October 25, 2010, 07:53:15 PM

Title: Janitorial Work?
Post by: Shinku on October 25, 2010, 07:53:15 PM
Can the clans with only 1 player, most likely the creator, be deleted and then that player be refunded?
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: ShinobiIceSlayer on October 26, 2010, 12:53:25 AM
Why?

Even though it would be kind of nice to clean up the clans, I don't think we could really do that.
It would be rather unfair I'd believe.
The only way to get rid of it, is if the leader does.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: hiro on October 26, 2010, 01:03:05 AM
I actually think this'd be nice. Players who got refunded could, if they wished, remake their clan, and those that are lazy/inactive won't come back to clog everything up.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: ShinobiIceSlayer on October 26, 2010, 01:04:27 AM
Good point Hiro. I'm for this now to!
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: Jinsei on October 26, 2010, 05:17:59 AM
Can the clans with only 1 player, most likely the creator, be deleted and then that player be refunded?
No. If you apply to coach a basketball team (which costs money) at a recreational center and then bail out, you don't get anything back.
You are voluntarily making a clan. If you choose not to follow through (for which ever reason) why should you be refunded?
What did you do to deserve a refund?

I actually think this'd be nice. Players who got refunded could, if they wished, remake their clan, and those that are lazy/inactive won't come back to clog everything up.
If those that are lazy/inactive in a clan are 'clogging' everything, remove them. This sort of thing would only be available to creators as leaders did not create the clan.

My overall thought: No.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: hiro on October 27, 2010, 03:02:14 AM
Can the clans with only 1 player, most likely the creator, be deleted and then that player be refunded?
No. If you apply to coach a basketball team (which costs money) at a recreational center and then bail out, you don't get anything back.
You are voluntarily making a clan. If you choose not to follow through (for which ever reason) why should you be refunded?
What did you do to deserve a refund?

Well, they paid to make the clan, which didn't take off and get a lot of members. It's not like they're voluntarily losing their clan, we'd be removing it.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: Jinsei on October 27, 2010, 05:28:22 AM
Can the clans with only 1 player, most likely the creator, be deleted and then that player be refunded?
No. If you apply to coach a basketball team (which costs money) at a recreational center and then bail out, you don't get anything back.
You are voluntarily making a clan. If you choose not to follow through (for which ever reason) why should you be refunded?
What did you do to deserve a refund?

Well, they paid to make the clan, which didn't take off and get a lot of members. It's not like they're voluntarily losing their clan, we'd be removing it.
So, let me see if I understand this.

wanting to remove their own clan != voluntary gesture?

Plus (I don't know why I didn't think of this before), it is a risk you will be making.
If you get refunded, where is the risk? the challenge?

This idea would most likely lead to an unintended consequence of a plethora of more clans.
(which is what the majority of SL have been complaining about)

Each action has an equal or greater reaction.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: ShinobiIceSlayer on October 27, 2010, 05:30:55 AM
Oh, Twitchy, we're talking about taking all the clans out there right now with only one person, and just deleting them, cause they're just clogging up space.

Not someone with only one member choosing to delete it.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: Jinsei on October 27, 2010, 05:33:16 AM
Oh, then obvious "No" answer from me.

They created their clans for a reason.
They like to play the game and worked hard to be able to make their own clans.

Leave them be.

How would you like it if you made a clan that you were proud of.
Then one morning you log in and you get a message "Your clan has been removed, but here is your money back!"

9.9 times out of 10, they will just re-create their clans.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: ShinobiIceSlayer on October 27, 2010, 05:35:30 AM
Well that is kind of the point.

If they really do want it, they could just remake it.

But A lot would just be lazy, and let it go, cleaning things up a bit.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: Jinsei on October 27, 2010, 05:42:09 AM
I still see no benefit to this.

People work hard to be able to create or lead a clan.
I don't think we should punish them.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: ShinobiIceSlayer on October 27, 2010, 05:43:55 AM
Yeah, just straight up deleting them is harsh, maybe something to warm them that it is coming? and if they don't respond by x weeks, bang gone.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: Jinsei on October 27, 2010, 05:46:10 AM
Or maybe we could just leave them alone?

Eh? EEh? *Nudge nudge*

Who is to say that those with only 1 person want more people, maybe they want it to be just them.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: ShinobiIceSlayer on October 27, 2010, 05:48:32 AM
Yep, a few of them around.

Nothing will come of this anyway, like most things discussed here.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: Jinsei on October 27, 2010, 05:49:56 AM
*Sighs*

Unfortunately.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: hiro on October 28, 2010, 01:19:05 AM
Well, I DID see someone as "The Only Member" of the "Amazing Clan of One Person" or something similar to that. It amused me.

I still disapprove of all the little distended clans, but meh. Maybe a clan inactivity thingy can be made?
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: ShinobiIceSlayer on October 28, 2010, 01:23:54 AM
Yeah, so many inactive clans just wasting space.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: hiro on October 28, 2010, 01:33:58 AM
Say, zero members log in for like... two weeks or something.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: Jinsei on October 28, 2010, 03:51:12 AM
Why is it such a big deal?

So they take up space, it doesn't effect you in any way.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: hiro on October 28, 2010, 03:57:01 AM
Myyyyyyyyyyy space. e_e
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: darkshinobi on October 29, 2010, 04:28:02 AM
Actually, I think we've done something along these lines, once before---years ago.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

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So they take up space, it doesn't effect you in any way.

Just hazarding a guess, but I would imagine too many practically inactive clans is just unnecessary load on the server.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: hiro on October 29, 2010, 04:33:49 AM
There was a zero-post forum member cleansing, but I don't remember a clan cleansing.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: Jinsei on October 29, 2010, 05:16:36 AM
There wasn't any sort of "clan cleansing" but there was:
There was a zero-post forum member cleansing, but I don't remember a clan cleansing.

Actually, I think we've done something along these lines, once before---years ago.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

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So they take up space, it doesn't effect you in any way.

Just hazarding a guess, but I would imagine too many practically inactive clans is just unnecessary load on the server.
If there was too much load on the server, Oliver would have already put a max limit of clans.
Currently running a test (on a private LoGD server), and I have yet to run into any strain.
Clans don't seem to take up much space.

But, as I am not an expert of the technical side of LoGD's, I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: Shinku on November 02, 2010, 04:58:16 PM
Kash's clan is probably making fun of all of the 1 man clans...


Memory usage. Everything has memory usage >> No?
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: Jinsei on November 02, 2010, 09:46:07 PM
Yes, everything uses up memory, but I have yet to see an impact on the server due to the amount of clans.
Title: Re: Janitorial Work?
Post by: Neji on November 03, 2010, 10:58:21 AM
Clans cause a small fraction as the "executable code" there is rather small.

Small fry add up, of course, but if the benefit outweighs it, why not.

1-man-clans are not *that* bad really.

We *could* argue about different sortings/standings to make the clan list reflect that.