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Roleplay => All That Is Bijuu => Council => Topic started by: Genesis on January 12, 2017, 03:41:24 AM
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Before I start, I want to apologize to this council for having to deal with my matter yet again. I know full well how pathetic this looks. Well, it is. The council is the council, not a bunch a parents...but it's starting to feel that way.
The problem: Athos does not wish to speak about voids and has ignored me. He will strip me as of tomorrow because he prematurely posted the fight thread immediately after it was ruled Synthesis could be used.
Disclaimer: Our judge (Trev) has claimed his authority is to only the fight itself, so he isn't involved in this matter.
I believe the problem stems from around a week ago. The moment the vote was passed that ruled that I was allowed to use Synthesis, Athos already made the fight thread (I was sorta at work). Now, Athos claims that because I didn't make preference thread, that it was too late to place voids. Of course, the reason I didn't even make that thread is because the council was taking their vote on if I was allowed to use Synthesis or not. Athos is the one that jumped the gun, not me.
But, this accusation is completely new to me because, at first, Athos was more than willing to talk about voids.
Our full correspondence can be seen here at this link: http://pastebin.com/BvE4rtN8
Now, in our full correspondence, I believe, I did not behave in any way to warrant an ignore. But, he ignored me on Monday. He also claimed that I'm attempting to kill time, but ironically, by ignoring me, time was killed anyway. He also claims that I was "complaining about everything he did" to get any move voided. Of course, this wasn't true as the only qualms I had with his whole move set was his "light style" and "Steel Wire" (the latter he did void). While I did bring a third matter, I immediately discarded it to focus on his light style.
Right before he ignored me, I only wanted him to specify what move he planned on using (his hirashin/impressing sounding sword) and if he could specify more about his prismatic wall considering the wiki page on it was beyond too vague. Long story short, I stuck to what I originally asked him about; I wasn't voiding everything in existence.
Multiple times during our correspondence, he told me to post before the deadline "was up". Of course, I never recognized this deadline in the first place due to him posting without agreeing to any initial terms.
So basically, he believes we're beyond talking about voids but I disagree. Also this non-existent timer is about to go off and he'll strip me of the bijuu, but the fight never started IMO. Also he ignored me two days ago, so I can't even resolve any of this.
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As of his latest attempt to waste my time Genesis still has not posted the preference/void list all hosts are required to have in spite of having more than ample time to do so, every other host managed. He does not publicly maintain a list of challengers anywhere.
I have made him painfully aware of the rules he is not following and he has made no effort to correct it, even as he petitions the council.
I am tired of waiting, I am tired of him wasting my time, I have humored him more than long enough. I would like him to be stripped of the Nine Tails for his pointed refusal to follow the bijuu rules.
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Hol' up there Bocc'. The chicken came before the egg, so don't make two topics about it:
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,9252.0.html
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Believe it or not I did actually already know that topic existed, considering I referenced it in my post. Pretty sure Genesis's topic is not about why he should be stripped so I'm good.
I don't believe you're on the council either Nathan.
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Jesus you two.....seriously? Should've left the best with Ryoji.
I wrote a shit ton more believe it or not. But I broke it down.
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You have no challenge preference thread up though there isn't a punishment in place.
He can't strip you for not posting. The fight starts when both parties agree.
He ignored you making an agreement on voids impossible.
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You shouldn't be stripped for not having a challenge thread. That's stupid. Not that big of a deal IMO.
You shouldn't be stripped for not posting because you both didn't agree to start.
He shouldn't have ignored you. You have one week to talk over voids and the likes. Syn was officially able to be the defender on the 7th. It's only been 5 days. The week isn't even up. I've grilled my opponents before on what they use. As you both have every right to.
I went over the pastebin convo from the start.
Gensis states he wants to talk about steel release: Monomolecular Wire and light release.
Throughout the convo this is what I saw Genesis mention:
Steel release: Monomolecular Wire-
First they talk about if it has a defined length
Genesis asks if it can cut chakra a few times
*Genesis wants it void due to being able to cut though all matter and Athos agrees to void it.
impressive sounding sword thing voided
Athos states it is a joke making fun of Ryoji and wouldn't really be used.
prismatic wall
Genesis wants it voided cause he sees it as an auto-hit.
*Athos then proceeds to ignore him.
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There's no reason to strip Genesis.
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As the next person in line;
Get it together, children. Drop the pettiness already. Both of you.
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Jesus you two.....seriously? Should've left the best with Ryoji.
I wrote a shit ton more believe it or not. But I broke it down.
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You have no challenge preference thread up though there isn't a punishment in place.
He can't strip you for not posting. The fight starts when both parties agree.
He ignored you making an agreement on voids impossible.
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You shouldn't be stripped for not having a challenge thread. That's stupid. Not that big of a deal IMO.
You shouldn't be stripped for not posting because you both didn't agree to start.
He shouldn't have ignored you. You have one week to talk over voids and the likes. Syn was officially able to be the defender on the 7th. It's only been 5 days. The week isn't even up. I've grilled my opponents before on what they use. As you both have every right to.
I went over the pastebin convo from the start.
Gensis states he wants to talk about steel release: Monomolecular Wire and light release.
Throughout the convo this is what I saw Genesis mention:
Steel release: Monomolecular Wire-
First they talk about if it has a defined length
Genesis asks if it can cut chakra a few times
*Genesis wants it void due to being able to cut though all matter and Athos agrees to void it.
impressive sounding sword thing voided
Athos states it is a joke making fun of Ryoji and wouldn't really be used.
prismatic wall
Genesis wants it voided cause he sees it as an auto-hit.
*Athos then proceeds to ignore him.
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There's no reason to strip Genesis.
All of this +1000.
I couldn't have said it better or more civilized.
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"You have no challenge preference thread up though there isn't a punishment in place."
Ok great you guys literally don't even know what the rules you're supposed to be enforcing say.
"Breaking any of the other rules results in one warning to be issued by the council. A second violation of the same rule will result in stripping."
Is what the rules say. Kayenta made a huge deal about telling everyone to follow the bijuu rules and make their topic and Genesis didn't do that.
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,9187.0.html
I'm sorry was that warning from a council member to follow the rules not an official warning from a council member to follow the rules? Is that it? I know you guys will have some line of crap explaining why Genesis can choose not to follow the rules and that doesn't warrant a punishment.
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"You have no challenge preference thread up though there isn't a punishment in place."
Ok great you guys literally don't even know what the rules you're supposed to be enforcing say.
"Breaking any of the other rules results in one warning to be issued by the council. A second violation of the same rule will result in stripping."
Is what the rules say. Kayenta made a huge deal about telling everyone to follow the bijuu rules and make their topic and Genesis didn't do that.
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,9187.0.html
I'm sorry was that warning from a council member to follow the rules not an official warning from a council member to follow the rules? Is that it? I know you guys will have some line of crap explaining why Genesis can choose not to follow the rules and that doesn't warrant a punishment.
There was no official warning expressedly stated.
But this vote here could be one now after it is finished with the council. In fact, after the council has made its decision and if Gene gets more time, I'll levy a warning myself then.
Because this is all becoming quite....annoying. Seriously. Everyone needs to stop bickering and get to a place of compromise.
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"You have no challenge preference thread up though there isn't a punishment in place."
Ok great you guys literally don't even know what the rules you're supposed to be enforcing say.
"Breaking any of the other rules results in one warning to be issued by the council. A second violation of the same rule will result in stripping."
Is what the rules say. Kayenta made a huge deal about telling everyone to follow the bijuu rules and make their topic and Genesis didn't do that.
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,9187.0.html
I'm sorry was that warning from a council member to follow the rules not an official warning from a council member to follow the rules? Is that it? I know you guys will have some line of crap explaining why Genesis can choose not to follow the rules and that doesn't warrant a punishment.
There was no official warning expressedly stated.
But this vote here could be one now after it is finished with the council. In fact, after the council has made its decision and if Gene gets more time, I'll levy a warning myself then.
Because this is all becoming quite....annoying. Seriously. Everyone needs to stop bickering and get to a place of compromise.
Wasn't there? Do you know? Because you and Shadow were both just in agreement that there was no punishment for breaking the rule Genesis continues to be in violation of. I had to let you guys know what the rules you're supposed to be in charge of enforcing actually are. If you didn't know that why should I believe you know this?
What's an official warning? It doesn't describe anywhere in the rules what that is or how one is meted out. I feel like reasonable people would be able to acquiesce that maybe a councilwoman shouting at everyone to follow the rules in all capital, size 24, red letter font might be enough to constitute a warning. I feel like I really shouldn't need to wish on a star for that to be understood.
Now I would love to continue to call the competency of these council decision into question all night long but sure let's try and compromise, maybe I can be screwed slightly less the third time around.
Here's my compromise Genesis posts in the fight and we do the fight because he doesn't need any amount of weeks to talk voids with me. I let Genesis pick whatever judge he wanted because I didn't want to waste time discussing it. He picked Trev. So if he is worried that some of my moves are god mod he should be able to rest easy in the fact that the judge he personally picked is competent enough to tell when I'm doing something illegitimate.
I've put up with a ton of crap and have been more than fair and really feel like asking him to just post. In. The. Freakin. Fight. Isn't asking that much of him.
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When the council agrees to issue an official warning...it will not come as Emily shouting int he night at everyone. It will be agreed upon and voted on by the council members.
And you will not when I was shouting at everyone and even mentioned a warming be issued, I included you Athos in that warning.
That being said, since we are going to quote me as THE authority on what to ASSUME is official...I also posted quite clearly on how to behave. Take some of that to heart too please.
Now...You can't put a host on ignore then bitch about a thing.
I want these discussions held in the 9 tails activity thread so that it acts as the Official log of everything concerning that bijuu.
Genesis is entitled to discuss voids, to have his one week to set up a match with you...but if you are ignoring him, then he cannot be held to blame for the fight not starting on time.
He has the right to discuss terms...and not be threatened with stripping on the basis of the match not staarting on time.
Do you want to fight him or just get a free bijuu based on technicalities?
I suggest you both go the 9 tails thread and comply with the public activity log and get this fight going within one week.
cooperation will go a long way toward getting anyone to listen.
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I responded to the thread that Genesis posted. And now I will refer you to that thread in the interests of saving my time as well as acknowledging your complaint.
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When the council agrees to issue an official warning...it will not come as Emily shouting int he night at everyone. It will be agreed upon and voted on by the council members.
And you will not when I was shouting at everyone and even mentioned a warming be issued, I included you Athos in that warning.
That being said, since we are going to quote me as THE authority on what to ASSUME is official...I also posted quite clearly on how to behave. Take some of that to heart too please.
Now...You can't put a host on ignore then bitch about a thing.
I want these discussions held in the 9 tails activity thread so that it acts as the Official log of everything concerning that bijuu.
Genesis is entitled to discuss voids, to have his one week to set up a match with you...but if you are ignoring him, then he cannot be held to blame for the fight not starting on time.
He has the right to discuss terms...and not be threatened with stripping on the basis of the match not staarting on time.
Do you want to fight him or just get a free bijuu based on technicalities?
I suggest you both go the 9 tails thread and comply with the public activity log and get this fight going within one week.
cooperation will go a long way toward getting anyone to listen.
+10000000000
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additionally. I have posted to the thread that Athos made to come and look at this response to the issue.
I have also posted to the 9 tails bijuu thread to bump it and prompt them to begin the public discussions in a polite...and I now add...and civil manner.
those are my thoughts on this issue. should a council majority decide otherwise we will have to deal with that then.
HOWEVER, while this issue has been brought to the attention of the council...the CLOCK on the time limit has been stopped.
A host cannot be expected to start a match on time while an issue about him/his beast/ his opponent is in the council awaiting a decision.
So...it really would be a lot quicker to just stop being this way and go talk in the thread rather than wait for the council to get together and talk about what to so and further delay this match from starting.
yes?
I thought so
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additionally. I have posted to the thread that Athos made to come and look at this response to the issue.
I have also posted to the 9 tails bijuu thread to bump it and prompt them to begin the public discussions in a polite...and I now add...and civil manner.
those are my thoughts on this issue. should a council majority decide otherwise we will have to deal with that then.
HOWEVER, while this issue has been brought to the attention of the council...the CLOCK on the time limit has been stopped.
A host cannot be expected to start a match on time while an issue about him/his beast/ his opponent is in the council awaiting a decision.
So...it really would be a lot quicker to just stop being this way and go talk in the thread rather than wait for the council to get together and talk about what to so and further delay this match from starting.
yes?
I thought so
Agreed.
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You know what I think I've heard enough from you guys for a while. I relent, I'll take Genesis off my ignore list and we can discuss voids, or we can use the public topic if he wants, makes no difference to me. One week from today is the 19th so we have until then to start the fight.
I realize I could wait for the remaining majority of council members to chime in and tell you guys how crazy you're being saying not only that Genesis will receive no punishment for choosing not to follow the rules, but will be given exactly what he wants in reward. Honestly though I'd rather just not know on the off chance any of them actually agree with you, I'd like to maintain my current belief that they possess some amount of moral fiber.
So yeah three strikes and I am out of here. I will certainly make a concerted effort to not have to ask the council for a decision again we seem to have irreconcilable differences in regards to what exactly enforcing the rules means. So here's hoping the remainder of your term is quiet and peaceful.
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I'll merge both of the topics for the time being, that way we can keep clutter to a minimal and I will post my thoughts on this subject very soon.
Edit: I went through the mails on pastebin and Shadow basically took the words right out of my mouth, well...almost. It seems that you were very eager to get this match over with and even though Genesis didn't agree to the starting of the match until you two discussed possible nerfs or voids.
However, Genesis was fully aware that the thread was already made from my knowledge and kept fanning the flames of your impatience. Why do I say that? Well you both agreed to a judge beforehand and when Genesis was told to go post, the subject of a judge was brought up. Meaning that either Genesis forgot that this was the judge you two picked since the holidays came and went or he is just trolling you.
I don't think it's the latter, but the match should've started like a week ago. Ignoring someone during a bijuu match is only going to cause problems, since you have to keep contact with that individual just in-case an issue arises with their post. (Playing nice these days is starting to become the thing of the past, so it seems.)
Honestly, I would've suggested you swallow that bitter pill and unignore him for the time being until you *both* agree to start the match. (Which I saw that you did.)
Either way, that is my opinion on this subject. Whatever you guys do from here is what will make it or break it, so I hope you guys can get along until this match is over with.
I know a guy that wants a shot at Kurama and he is wondering if this match would possible be over by March. (Bad joke.) :oops:
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I'll merge both of the topics for the time being, that way we can keep clutter to a minimal and I will post my thoughts on this subject very soon.
... Did you miss the part where I said was going to do what Genesis wanted and so there's no problem anymore?
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I'll merge both of the topics for the time being, that way we can keep clutter to a minimal and I will post my thoughts on this subject very soon.
... Did you miss the part where I said was going to do what Genesis wanted and so there's no problem anymore?
I'm sorry, I forgot that it is against the rules to post opinions as a council member. My fault! It will never happen again. *endsarcasm*
Calm down, man. If I don't participate in these council threads, it'll look bad on me. So you have to understand that I have to be actively within the thread, even if you guys had already resolved it. After all, it wouldn't hurt for my opinion to be thrown out there. :D
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I'll merge both of the topics for the time being, that way we can keep clutter to a minimal and I will post my thoughts on this subject very soon.
... Did you miss the part where I said was going to do what Genesis wanted and so there's no problem anymore?
I'm sorry, I forgot that it is against the rules to post opinions as a council member. My fault! It will never happen again. *endsarcasm*
Calm down, man. If I don't participate in these council threads, it'll look bad on me. So you have to understand that I have to be actively within the thread, even if you guys had already resolved it. After all, it wouldn't hurt for my opinion to be thrown out there. :D
I was being serious I thought maybe you used it, your timing was a little uncanny. Whatever floats your boat though.
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Passive aggressiveness, a very good way to get what you want-- that was sarcasm, FYI.
Don't worry, there won't be another lecture from me. :roll:
If you want to vent, feel free to send me a private message. Some of you know, I'm a very good punching bag! :D
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I just want to post this here for the record of what I have to put up with in this fight. I am being told by my opponent that I am not allowed to agree with him and concede the point he is arguing, we have to wait for a judge decision on the matter. Nah though he's definitely not just trying to waste my time. Legitimate bijuu defender right here.
Oh if any of you were wondering he still doesn't have his preference page set up. No preference, no voids, no list of challengers, Eric made the topic but he never made the list.
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,9226.0.html
If I had to guess it's probably because, in your infinite wisdom, you made it painfully clear he would be punished in no way for choosing to not follow that rule.
My passive aggressiveness was noted last time so I figured this time I'd just drop the passive part and note that I'm mad at the council for doing literally the opposite of their jobs and forcing me to put up with this. Thanks again.
---Original Message from Fallen King, Genesis(2017-01-19 04:33:56)---
lol, you can't just "drop it". I never accepted that 'offer' you gave me.
I just pm'd Trev and I'll wait on what he says.
Oh dear, I hope that ruling comes soon.
---Original Message from Uzumakiwarrior(2017-01-19 04:30:42)---
No, I don't need to. I just told you I drop it. I enter Sage Mode on my own instead and since the bijuu chakra is also dropped my post is Sage Mode, Raiton, Light Beams. No problems.
Not sure enough
"During a match, hosts and challengers must make a post to the match once every 7 days. "
---Original Message from Fallen King, Genesis(2017-01-19 04:27:03)---
Talk to Trev and see what he says. He pointed me toward the thread in the forums. And I'm pretty sure it's like 14 days.
---Original Message from Uzumakiwarrior(2017-01-19 04:24:42)---
#1 It doesn't matter, I can still enter Sage Mode immediately and kill you.
"In order to gather enough natural energy to initiate the transformation into Sage Mode, the user must remain perfectly still, leaving them vulnerable. Users have at times been shown entering Sage Mode without this preparation."
#2 No, you can't pause the fight because of a discussion going on along the forum that you want to see the result of, that could take weeks. If it bothers you I can drop the claim of Amphibian Technique, still enter Sage Mode, and still kill you the same way as my post details.
So anything else? So far as I know I'm already counting the seven days to strip you for not posting, just waiting for Trev to tell me when he told you his decision.
---Original Message from Fallen King, Genesis(2017-01-19 04:18:55)---
No, you're fine in sharingan and the actions aspect. But I asked Trev about the amphibian technique despite your bijuu mastery and he pointed me to the thread where there a ruling will be made. I'm waiting on that.
---Original Message from Uzumakiwarrior(2017-01-19 04:15:19)---
Rule change? Trev told me I am correct about my claim regarding your Sharingan and that there is no rule, only a preference, about the actions per summon thing. Of course since you still have no preference list you can't claim that.
So what else needs to be decided?
---Original Message from Fallen King, Genesis(2017-01-19 04:11:50)---
They aren't settled, I'm waiting on the offical rule change. I'm not accepting your 'offer' to void the bijuu chakra.
---Original Message from Uzumakiwarrior(2017-01-19 04:10:14)---
Again, I was under the impression you had those three issues and they were settled, are there more?
---Original Message from Fallen King, Genesis(2017-01-19 04:08:11)---
I'm not accepting your offer
---Original Message from Uzumakiwarrior(2017-01-19 04:07:13)---
I already said I'll drop bijuu chakra and Trev said he already decided on my claim about your Sharingan and my beetle having its own actions, what else is there?
---Original Message from Fallen King, Genesis(2017-01-19 03:52:44)---
I'm waiting on that ruling
---Original Message from Uzumakiwarrior(2017-01-18 23:08:32)---
How's that post coming along?
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The "ruling", if and once made, would not affect the current situation any as, wait for it........, it would be an ex post facto ruling.
For the match itself, if Trev is the judge, then his word is what will go, hands down. And for, that unfortunately Athos dear, you're gonna have to wait for. Unless you repost or reset the match real quick.
As for Genesis not making a preference list and posting it to the correct thread, then I will follow through on my prior statement:
Genesis, if and when you read this, this is an OFFICIAL WARNING from a Council Member. Comply to the rules or you will be stripped via the Council. You have until the 21st to comply, that's in 2 days and when your post in the match would be due.
I shall always PM this information as well.