The proper way to go about it is to go back to Ame clan and start creating RP there and make it grow. Just like Dart and Gitsune are doing with Kiri. To Establishment yourself, with this man you are so close to, to be his successor, and then one day when he steps down to be named the next Amekage. You hardly need a new clan, to create a division and bad feelings, to cause your high minded views of making Ame great come to fruition. This approach of just claiming things creates strife and confusion and divides the forces of the village tearing it down, when you should be focused upon working to make it great, rather than just taking the quick route to power by saying, "I have this." The leadership of a village, the rank of Kage is earned, not claimed.
If Ame is dead, the you helped to kill it. A new clan is not going to change that. You think you can make it bloom again? Prove it where it lies. Then you will have done something remarkable, rather than underhanded and cheaply. Something worth feeling good about. This?
Not cool in the least.
I believe that I am addressing this with a great deal of civility.
The reason myself and others backed out of attacking was because of the highly unreasonable defenses he set up for the village. We made topics about the defenses and the consensus was they are BS, but regardless they were never altered.
That's the whole reason why when I went for Son Goku I drew you outside the village. Shadow when not held to any guideline is OP and Keito even went in who is also well above the line in his writing style, fled.
TL;DR
Ever see one punch man? That's what it is.
He and his defenses are Saitama. We are anyone ever.
One punch and we're dead.
The reason myself and others backed out of attacking was because of the highly unreasonable defenses he set up for the village. We made topics about the defenses and the consensus was they are BS, but regardless they were never altered.
That's the whole reason why when I went for Son Goku I drew you outside the village. Shadow when not held to any guideline is OP and Keito even went in who is also well above the line in his writing style, fled.
TL;DR
Ever see one punch man? That's what it is.
He and his defenses are Saitama. We are anyone ever.
One punch and we're dead.
I don't even agree with the defenses but does it really matter?
You are incorrect in saying that the RP is up to the Kage...this being Uchiha Kage in this case. That is an excuse. A stricture you place on yourself, no one does that to you.
People in all the villages create rp for themselves without asking anyone's permission to RP. People join clans on the invites of all the members, not just the founder/kage.
This is wrong and needs to be corrected in the proper manner. Instead of blaming others, and pointing fingers, make Ame something. In the official clan. This move is not a positive one. If you love Ame, you will make the one that exists great rather than creating a clone to call your own. If you love Ame, you will be a loyal ninja to her instead of a traitor. The Kage serves the village. So do its warriors.
This just spits on it. Go serve your village properly, not like this. This just looks like something selfish to me. Another quick claim to power and self aggrandizement. It makes my stomach hurt. It spits on people who have worked their whole time here to earn things. And I feel it brings shame upon you. It is without honor.
That's the whole reason why when I went for Son Goku I drew you outside the village. Shadow when not held to any guideline is OP and Keito even went in who is also well above the line in his writing style, fled.
TL;DR
Ever see one punch man? That's what it is.
He and his defenses are Saitama. We are anyone ever.
One punch and we're dead.
I just wanted to briefly explain since it was brought up as a point. ^-^ In the overall scheme it doesn't matter that much, but it did make me not want to rp in Ame again. So it might've been the same for others.
Good to know that now all of a sudden people care about what happens to Amegakure. Left for inactive and everything? Eh, who cares? Someone tries to make a new clan in a way I don't agree with? Where's my pitchfork?! D:<
I am getting tired and will read all of your post tomorrow. but...
When I came to SL Suna was dead. The war was over and it was left to die. People opposed me RPing there. I did it anyway. People starting coming back. Things built up and got fun again. And still it was years after that before The Shodai named me to be the Nidaime. I earned it.
That is all I will say on this tonight. But you spit on me and anyone else who has earned their ranks on SL with this move. You do not do this in the face of adversity and hard times. You work through it...not under or around snatching titles in the process.
I am getting tired and will read all of your post tomorrow. but...
When I came to SL Suna was dead. The war was over and it was left to die. People opposed me RPing there. I did it anyway. People starting coming back. Things built up and got fun again. And still it was years after that before The Shodai named me to be the Nidaime. I earned it.
That is all I will say on this tonight. But you spit on me and anyone else who has earned their ranks on SL with this move. You do not do this in the face of adversity and hard times. You work through it...not under or around snatching titles in the process.
You keep pressing the Kage title like it's his single goal. It's not. From what I keep reading the #1 reason for a new clan is that Kage pushed people away from wanting to be anywhere near Amegakure or even rp there.
The reason myself and others backed out of attacking was because of the highly unreasonable defenses he set up for the village. We made topics about the defenses and the consensus was they are BS, but regardless they were never altered.
That's the whole reason why when I went for Son Goku I drew you outside the village. Shadow when not held to any guideline is OP and Keito even went in who is also well above the line in his writing style, fled.
TL;DR
Ever see one punch man? That's what it is.
He and his defenses are Saitama. We are anyone ever.
One punch and we're dead.
I'd like to voice my opinion. While I don't agree with creating a new clan in order to bolster activity and 'claim' control over it when control is missing, I do understand Ichirou's frustration in the matter. When I first became Otokage, I was not given admin powers in the clan, meaning that it was difficult for me to send out group messages and also impossible to modify the ranks.
An option I had that several were recommending was to create a new Otogakure. This would also solve the issue of inactive players, as the inactives would just sit in the old clan while the active players would (in theory) migrate to the new one. But, I felt that this would actually detract from RP because some players might be hesitant to migrate and might think the whole squabble a little stupid. Which it was. So, I just was patient and waited for responses through PMs. Eventually, I got admin rights so it all worked out.
If anything, I believe that this whole event would be a good advocate for the whole clan linking idea that's been thrown about before. Even though the Otogakure clan halls are mainly OOC content, the same can't be said for clans that don't have villages. Creating the clan link/visitation option would allow people to post in the clan halls of said villages(clans) without leaving their own ones. This would also allow for greater activity within the clans by allowing outsiders guest passes to post.
So instead of focusing on whether or not Ichirou's actions were right, why not use this as a learning opportunity that maybe can push for progress in clan interaction?
Clearly it is all about just claiming to be Amekage, for as Jay says, another Ame type clan could have been made if Ichi wanted to have an active clan from the land of Rain.
I'm still confused as to why you all act like you care now and why no one has replied to that question...
No problem here what so ever, in fact it only creates rp.
I understand your issue Kay, but nothing to really do about it.
Way I see it, not different than similar politics from medieval era.
Kage is the legit ruler, Ichi has a problem with him and wants the crown. Ichi makes his own clan and is attempting to usurp him. Ichi only gains authority if enough people support his cause, but at the end of the day is still illegitimate. Basically at this point he's a rebel group. How does Ichi gain legitimacy?
A. Negotiate's with Kage. Perhaps if he has enough supporters, Kage will step down.
B. Civil War eventually breaks out to decide winner.
C. Attempts diplomacy with foreign nations so they see him as the lead power.
In Real life terms, it's like any war of succession, in Naruto terms is just like Nagato and Hanzo. Two forces, one country.
I suggest they treat it like an rp scenario. Ichi please do roleplay like the Godaime Amekage, but please don't assume you control Amegakure just yet. You are a rebel, the Akatsuki like in the Naruto. Strive to convert your home nation, win a civil war, or plead with other nations to recognize you.
I see nothing here, but great rp scenarios. Perhaps the people of Ame will turn on Kage, perhaps loyal Ame forces will stomp out Ichi and the pretenders, perhaps world wide conflict happens because say Suna sides with Kage, but Oto sides with Ichi. Truly wonderful.
Oh yeah, the arrival of the goon squad to teach Ame a lesson and Ichi's jumping ship and claiming to be Amekage.
Yes I saw it said it wasn' t about being Kage, but clearly I do not buy that load of bull. Otherwise why claim the title in the first place when it is not required to bolster Ame's RP and make of it an active village once again? Your words do not fit your actions.
I didn't address the issue of 'caring' about Ame because I thought it was a stupid comment. Speaking up about this issue should have made that obvious, otherwise why would I bother? I have four characters currently living in Ame that I removed from the clan because people refused to take their 'destroy the village-I am oh so powerful and am gonna make you eat it-bully festival' to the zones...
... And Kage's reward for standing by them during that? Let's look back and see...
Oh yeah, the arrival of the goon squad to teach Ame a lesson and Ichi's jumping ship and claiming to be Amekage.
...But bravo to one and all for further dividing the community.
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Yes I saw it said it wasn' t about being Kage, but clearly I do not buy that load of bull. Otherwise why claim the title in the first place when it is not required to bolster Ame's RP and make of it an active village once again? Your words do not fit your actions.
I didn't address the issue of 'caring' about Ame because I thought it was a stupid comment. Speaking up about this issue should have made that obvious, otherwise why would I bother? I have four characters currently living in Ame that I removed from the clan because people refused to take their 'destroy the village-I am oh so powerful and am gonna make you eat it-bully festival' to the zones...
Kind of hypocritical to take four characters out of Ame's active character pool (that's like what, 1/3 of their active player base if I understand the situation right?) and then call someone out on breaking camp and weakening Amegakure. And for what? Cause a bunch of RPers come to the clan halls and stir up some stuff that you don't like but the Kage of the village permitted?
Oh right, it doesn't really matter, 'cause they were just alts doin' stuff. No need to stick around or even bother petitioning to Kage, you know, the legitimate Amekage about it or anything. Just up and leave, you got no stakes in it.
Please don't pretend THAT is leagues better than what Ichirou is doing. At least his heart is in the right place.
Kage has made it clear time and time again, especially during the Ichirou beast debacles, that he is a large figure in Ame RP. Upset about that? Complain to the man in charge; you can shout at the illegals all day, but it's the gatekeepers' jobs to keep them out, and Kage was quite fine with the whole thing till it stalled.Quote... And Kage's reward for standing by them during that? Let's look back and see...
Oh yeah, the arrival of the goon squad to teach Ame a lesson and Ichi's jumping ship and claiming to be Amekage.
This, just doesn't make sense, especially if the "goon squad" was already in Amegakure prior to this sarcastic reward stage.Quote...But bravo to one and all for further dividing the community.
Yes, bravo. I can count on my hands the number of players who would have made a big deal about this OUT OF CHARACTER had you not made a post here just to see if everyone else's pot boils hot for this as yours does.