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Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: Hitler-Chan on September 07, 2015, 09:22:42 PM

Title: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 07, 2015, 09:22:42 PM
So, I have already informed some of you of the proceedings that were carried out within the Amegakure clan halls, but since Kage decided to try and Void the entire Rp, a forum post will be made to decide whether Ichirou and Masane are dead, due to the actions that I will explain next.

Okay!

So, I befriend the duo (Ichi/Masane) OOC, through PM's in the hopes of being able to infiltrate Ame by using their trust. Keito, the leader of Uzushiogakure went to Ame in the hopes to make friends, they declined. Ame and Uzu are on bad terms because of this. (My IC reason to go and kill off some of the 'big hitters of Ame', in case we still need those) SO, I tell Ichi/Masane that I am coming to visit them, this was also OOC, they tell me to come. My first IC post in ame they let me in, and all three of our characters meet for the first time. It's actually explicitly stated that they have never met, in the RP, giving them no reason to trust me as they did.

Time progresses and it ends up being that IC I figured out that Ichi was an Edo and I said I would help revive him, of course this was a lie, but they hadn't caught it. We get down to it, and Masane releases the edo on her brother, he dies, and I take Masane's hand, who at this point has no reason not to trust me, has no sensory technique active, and I have already emoted that I have seals running up and down my forearms and palms. With her hand in mine, I seal her away with Uzumaki Sealing.

It stopped there because they involved Kage and he began threatening that he would void the RP on the grounds that he is the leader and can do that. Obviously I told him that was BS, but he went ahead and did it anyway. So here we are. Below this, I am going to post the ENTIRE Rp through screen shots, including their reasons for voiding the RP and such. And in case you don't want to read through five pages of screenshotted RP, scroll down to the final two screen shots. They will contain the most important info regarding this case.

http://imgur.com/a/KetrP

(PS. One of the pictures is smaller for some reason, not too important though, would be happy to copy and paste that portion to you if you would like to read it, otherwise, here you go.)
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Rusaku on September 07, 2015, 10:19:43 PM
Now, this is how I see it. Yujo has put together an elaborate plan to trick several of our other player so he may take them out. He put together a perfect spectacle, but truly he never actually broke any rules. Just because his character manipulated their lack of information how how these techniques work does not mean that it can be void.

A Ninja. Must. See. Through. Deception.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Warren on September 07, 2015, 10:34:42 PM
If you could include the link to or details of the jutsu you used to revive Ichirou, I'll comment after.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Rusaku on September 07, 2015, 10:41:43 PM
If you could include the link to or details of the jutsu you used to revive Ichirou, I'll comment after.

He never revived him, that's why it's a spectacle. He lied saying that he had the ability to bring them back, and because of that Masane herself released Edo tensei on him. He just summoned the Shinigami, but the Shinigami never actually did anything to either of them, he simply lied about what was about to happen in order to trick them. 
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Warren on September 07, 2015, 10:49:23 PM
The bits about him being 'moments away from first breath since death', and the sealing attempt 'before any shenanigans', kinda imply he did tho. If it wasn't then what actually was it? Did clearly state mashing the whole soul into the corpse and some kinda light show/chakra flow.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Murciélago/Bryantheexiled on September 07, 2015, 10:51:48 PM
If that actually happened in the order it's says on here then in on all honesty im with Rusaku on this... They got tricked.... Their NINJA.... it's sorta stated their suppose to look underneath the underneath and see through deception.. it just sucks that they learned that through death..
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 07, 2015, 10:58:39 PM
The bits about him being 'moments away from first breath since death', and the sealing attempt 'before any shenanigans', kinda imply he did tho. If it wasn't then what actually was it? Did clearly state mashing the whole soul into the corpse and some kinda light show/chakra flow.

All of those things were added for flair and to make it more believable, but at the end of the day, it all goes back to them not knowing that his soul could not have been within the shinigami.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Deathstroke on September 07, 2015, 11:02:31 PM
Yeah unless he used some technique improperly (beyond the obvious no auto hitting, etc) then I don't really see how you could argue against it. I can't read those images on my phone but bill look when I'm home shortly
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Warren on September 07, 2015, 11:09:20 PM
In that case, though its rather wtf to have gone to such lengths for just a dramatic ruse, there isn't really anything one can contest about that except you writing the sealing-capture was a certain success.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Murciélago/Bryantheexiled on September 07, 2015, 11:12:33 PM
Yeah, such lengths was really long and overdone.. but warren is right the Sealing-capture was a success so regardless... IF Masane is sealed/Captured then isn't Ichi.. either dead... or just not an edo anymore?
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Rusaku on September 07, 2015, 11:18:05 PM
Yeah, such lengths was really long and overdone.. but warren is right the Sealing-capture was a success so regardless... IF Masane is sealed/Captured then isn't Ichi.. either dead... or just not an edo anymore?


Considering she willingly released the Edo, he will fade into nothing no matter the outcome.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Mei on September 07, 2015, 11:27:23 PM
Lol, this is too much. I didn't even read the RP and I already finding the whole thing hilarious.
Riku, you must have really hate those 'wondertwins' to go this far. It's funny too because I was talking to someone about it. In Ichirou's page, it said that he was 'rinne tensei'. But the thing is, the user of the jutsu dies, so....why would someone willing sacrifice themselves to do such? Anyways...

But it's interesting to know that people still take character death of others seriously. >.>

Also Riku, you could have grabbed the RP as a pdf and then 'copy n paste' here or some other site (giving us the link) for a better reading experience. Just saying.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on September 07, 2015, 11:45:45 PM
I have the rp saved to word pad. I did take the liberty of cleaning out the continuations into one whole post, however, rather than add-ons. The kanji show up as question marks though, for they are not supported by word pad.

But I will put it up for you guys to read.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on September 07, 2015, 11:49:03 PM
Part one

<||||> ???, Uzumaki Yujo | A portal was opened up, someplace along the first 3rd of the Ame-no-ukihashi; This spatial rift was used a catalyst for his entrance. Stepping forth from his spatial chariot was a man garbed in an archaic Uzumaki leader robes, looking to have been fashioned well before the current trend of higher tech armors and such that some shinobi wore nowadays. His crimson eyes peered down the path before him, soon finding the nearest chakra source and making his way towards them, of course he assumed this was a guard that would allow him entrance into the village or at the very least put him in communication with the one he was here looking for. As he came near, he tried to walk as calmly as possible, even raising his hands into the air and inadvertantly displaying the myriad of tattoos that ran up an down his forearms and palms, these symbols looking to have originated from somewhere in the Fire Country, and to those familiar, these symbols that ran along him were physical signets of sorts that proved his rights of passage as he moved along the ranks of the monks of the Fire Temple. Once within speaking range he made an attempt to preempt the guard and save him some time. "Uzumaki Yujo." He paused a moment and allowed those he had absorbed into his body to speak out with him, as if he had completed a DBZ esque fusion dance with 3 other people, "Or Whatever you'd like to call us."  With a chuckle he spoke out once more with just his original voice, "And my business here is with my fellow Red-headed shinobi. Masane."

<||||> Uchiha ?? Masane One of the guards that noticed the man emerge from the rift decided to greet him. As he moved closer he heard the Uzumaki call out his own name it seemed. The guard reached him and said "Sir, welcome to Amegakure." As he spoke he pulled out a small pamphlet. Opening it to the section containing the map, he pointed to a certain area. "The weapons dealer is here, Masane-sans residence is placed directly behind it." The guard would then wait for him to take the pamphlet.

<||||> ???, Uzumaki Yujo | With a toothy smile the Uzumaki bowed his head to the man who took the time to greet him, and assist at finding Masane a bit easier. "I thank you for your help, but I like to travel light." He said, refusing to take the pamphlet, his memory would serve well enough to find her place of residence with the single glance he took at the map. Once his business was done, he figured he was well within his rights to begin making a quicker pace towards the designated location, utilizing several Shunshin's to aid this. Once inside the main area of the village he quickly took notice of the hellish rain that fell on this place. He shook his attention back into focus and continued onwards, admiring the rather steampunk esque architecture, rather different from his various places of residence within the fire country and Uzushio. Once he reached the so-called residence of Masane, he opted not to sense out if she was home or not, as only one could imagine the wrath that would befall him if he utilized his Minds' eye and peeped on her bathing. He shivered, attempting to shake the apocalyptic like consequences that would follow, if she somehow found out what he would have seen. So, he simply walked up to the door, and knocked, waiting to see if what the guard had told him was correct. "Anyone home?"

<||||> Otsutsuki, Ichirou had been gone for a few days, why? Who knew? Where he had been? Who knew. Either way now he was moving towards Masane's house. He had to speak with her soon, to see if she knew some way to bring Ichirou out of this jutsu and back to life. As he approached the home he realized that he wasn't Masane's only visitor at this moment. As he approached the man that stood at Masane's doors he called out, "Hey there, you trying to see Masane as well?" he asked, activating his byakugan for but a moment to get a good look at this mans chakra. He hadn't seen him in the village before, he  must've arrived recently. Ichirou usually kept tabs on most everyone in the village. Seemingly a difficult task but for someone of Ichirou's visual prowess it was more tedious than difficult. But something that he did nonetheless.

<||||> ???, Uzumaki Yujo | As the Uzumaki waited, the sounds of footsteps approaching from his rear alerted him of the incoming shinobi. He slowly turned his head to face the man, his crimson eyes taking a quick glance at him, though it wasn't his eyes that would have caught on to the fact that the man before him  was not of the living, it was the lacking sound of Diastolic and systolic pressure, otherwise known as the Heartbeat. "I am indeed." He said with a gruff undertone. His body now turning towards the zombie man, "Do you know if she is home?"

<||||> Uchiha ?? Masane Masane detected Yujo as he drew closer to her home. She stood up and moved to the door just in time to see her brother come up. He had been missing for a long time but she would get to that later. The door opened and she stood there, still in her ninja gear. She had not taken the time to unwind. She had been trying to locate Amegakures would be assailent. It was clear from the dark circles under her eyes that she had not slept in a while. "Hey guys, come in." she mumbled as she moved back into her living room in order to make a thrid attempt to find her target. It was beginning to seem as if the mad would never show himself. As she stared into the crystal ball she spoke. "What brings you guys here?"

Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on September 07, 2015, 11:54:12 PM
Part two

<||||> Otsutsuki, Ichirou stood in a Kimono like robe. black cargo's and sandals adorned his lower body as the rain pattered down upon his undead body. Ichirou looked from Yujo to Masane, wondering if this was the appropriate time to discuss such things. However not wanting to be obscure Ichirou sighed and spoke out "I need to talk to you in reference to the... Jutsu.. that afflicts me currently?" he elaborated before taking the time to step into the home. Should either of the duo stand in his way he would simply disassemble into millions of pieces of paper and reassemble in the home.

<||||> ???, Uzumaki Yujo | A few silent chuckles fell out to those with keen ears, the man trying to obscure the fact that he was an Edo seemed a bit insulting to Yujo, though he doubted it was malicious. He greeted masane with a simple nod and walked inside past her, taking a quick glance at his new surroundings. He turned back to face the two, and figured it was time to let them know he was not ignorant to the mans situation, "So Masane, are you his current summoner?" Once again a toothy grin spread across his face, "Your chakra seemed weaker than I imagined it would. I assume he is why." Another chuckle was let loose from him, the situation as depressing as he had experienced since he released his father from the same jutsu, only now caused him to laugh. Yujo walked to the center of the room, and fell back as if there was a seat waiting for him, which there wasn't currently. Beneath him materialized a throne of sorts of water moisture, crushed and compacted into ice. He sat back, crossed his right leg over his knee and sat still, staring at the two. The side effect of his ice jutsu making the room a bit colder, some would call it, nippley. Yujo on the otherhand seemed to be completely fine, almost ignorant to the cold that he subjected his new friends to, having spent so much time in it.

<||||> Uchiha ?? Masane She was no closer to finding a way to revive him, though she had an idea. Once Yujo spoke she got the impression that he had an idea. That and that silly grin lead her to believe this. "Yeah. After he was robbed of the Four, I had no choice but to Edo him." She paused for a moment as she noticed the use of his Hyouton. It was a bit colder in here but to make up for this, Masane lined her body with a bit of Katon chakra. This caused her body temp to rise quite a bit. "I take it you have the means to aid me?" She said as she sat back on a couch that was placed on the far wall.

<||||> Otsutsuki, Ichirou "Well there goes secrets." Ichirou chuckled. Though he could hide his Edo state if need be. A run in with his old buddy Athos caused Ichirou's Edo skin to lack cracks, and the only actual sign on his body of his edo state was his black Sclera. "Either way Masane, it's time come we found  a way to bring me back to life. You need your chakra and I need my soul." he chuckled casually. Though in actuality he hadn't though about how empty a shell this body was. It didn't really make you feel human. But then again, it wasn't really supposed to.

<||||> ???, Uzumaki Yujo | With a sigh he continued to ponder the situation that the two were in, "I am in a rare position to help you both out, though it will require more space than this place." He looked around to check if he was correct in his assumption, "Do you have a larger room than this one?" He now  stood up to stretch his legs, and turn to Ichirou, "Where is your original body? And on that same subject, did you have your soul preserved, or is it in the hands of the Shinigami now?" He sighed, absolutely hating the idea of having to deal with the shinigami on ninja not of the Uzumaki clan, but exceptions could be made, and with the Shinigami mask in his possession the Death god had little choice in the matter anyway.

<||||> Uchiha ?? Masane She sighed. Masane was not prepared at all for this. "I have his body. Though I have to go get it." She mumbled. "Ichirou has a better place than here. He will take you there while I retrieve his body." Masane exited her home not waiting for a response from either of them. Once outside in the falling rain, she drew blood from her thumb with her teeth and summoned her Phoenix, Othello. The massive bird seemed to be on fire though that was not the case. The rain his body and caused steem to rise off of him. He shrieked quite loud as one could figure he did not like rain. "Othello take me home." She said as she jumped on his back. Wasting no time he did just that. Othello unsummoned himself and took Masane with him. Now in the land of the Phoenix, Othello had calmed down and greeted Masane by spreading his wings and emitting a large amount of heat. She returned the greeting by taking a deep breath while holding up the tiger seal. Once she released her breath it came out in a wave of fire that washed over her Phoenix. She smiled and headed to the chamber where Ichirou's body was hld. On her way she realized that Fractus would be cross with her for not greeting him. It had been such a long time since she had been here. The intense heat was almost unwelcome. She had grown so use to living in Amegakure that once she got back here she was actually hot. Once she reached Fractus, she greeted the large king of the Phoenix in the same mano she greeted Othello. Fractus' heat was a bit much for her. He shrieked something at her that she could not quite understand. She was sure it was something along the lines of-- "You are getting cold little girl." and blah blah. She turned from him and headed to Ichirou's body. Once inside the chamber, she unsealed his body and began prepping it for the trip back.

<||||> Otsutsuki, Ichirou nodded as Masane left the building, he turned to Yujo and extended his hand as if for Yujo to take it. Once he had the two would teleport via Hiraishin to a basement level of Ichirou's Monk temple within the slums of Amegakure. The room was roughly ten times larger than the room they were in before. And was mostly empty. Upon their arrival the room was dark, and with a single hand seal Ichiou would trigger a few pre-placed jutsu tags that were attached to torches in various corners of the room. Causing them to ignite and luminate the area. "As far as my soul is concerned, it should still be preserved." he continued to explain to Yujo while they waited for Masane to return. "so what exactly are you going to do?"

<||||> ???, Uzumaki Yujo looked up and down Ichi's extended arm, glancing over the chakra structure to ensure this stranger did not mean him harm, but Yujo trusted this man well enough to take his hand and allowed the two to be teleported away. Once they landed inside of the dark room, his body felt completely fine as he was an avid user of space-time himself. As Ichi flicked the lights on, he nodded to the zombie man, "Glad to hear. Now I just have to figure out how much of your soul is still being trapped within that pile of crap you call a body now." Of course he spoke badly of the Edo tensei jutsu, the same jutsu that trapped his father for so many years, to do the bidding of his own brother. He took a look around and nodded, this room being perfect for what was to transpire, and to begin the process he reached into his back pouch and removed the fabled Shinigami Mask. "Well my friend, I don't know how to say it really, so I will say this, you ever see the Shinigami at work? It is truly a marvelous thing, and you get to see it, first hand." Yujo took a few breaths before walking towards the center of the room, needing much space to summon a literal god.  Once at the center of the room he placed the mask over his face, and pulled outa ceremonial dagger, that looked to pertain to an older age of the Uzumaki, like the Uzumaki himself. "This next part is going to hurt, a lot. I will take the dagger into my gut, and tear my abdomen open."  He took a few breaths, preparing himself for Masane's arrival, to which would prompt him having to stab himself. "From there, I will grab the pieces of your soul that he has collected. Then combine those with the ones trapped inside of that Zombie body, into your original body." He now grinned once more, "Then we begin breathing life into the shell that harbors your soul, otherwise known as your dead body. Pretty simple, eh?" He laughed aloud, knowing that his archaic jutsu was more than complex but he had hoped Ichi got the gist of it.

<||||> Ōtsutsuki, Ichirou (Moved to dwelling)
<||||> Ōtsutsuki, Ichirou (Nevermind)

<||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane Once the body was secure, she left the chamber and caled out to Othello. The large phoenix answered the call landing a few feet away from her. She laced Ichi's body on Othello's back and climbed on herself. "I need to go back to Amegakure now. I promise I'll be fast." Othello Shrieked as if to say-- "Yeah I know." And in that moment he had returned them to Amegakure. Or close to it. He was just far away enough to avoid the rain. Masane chuckled and placed her hand on the corpse. "Cute." She said sarcastically  Then in a flash she was gone. She appeared next to Ichirou. Marking him was so convenient. She was knelt down with her hand still on the body. "Got it." Masane had not noticed this, but her clothes had been badly burned from being set ablaze twice. Her cloak hung over her shoulders, or what was left of it, revealing her samurai style armor underneath. "Are you guys ready?"

<||||> Ōtsutsuki, Ichirou listened to the man as he spoke. "I've never seen it at work, but now is as good a time as any." he said as he watched the man prepare to disfigure himself. "To be sure this will be interesting to say the least." he crossed his arms as Masane arrived. Remaining speechless as he assumed the man would carry on with his ritual. The mask that he wore was familiar. Ichirou had heard much about the Shinigami masks and read a little on them during his time within Uzushiogakure. Though the abilities that come from the application he had yet to witness. This would serve as  an interesting display, that bore a significant outcome.

<||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō looked back at Masane briefly and spoke out through his mask, "Do you mind bringing the body over to me, souls aren't the most, sturdy things." As he said this, he brought the knife upon himself, just about at his bellybutton, and driving it towards the right. The blade sliced through his flesh, and as this occurred, Masane and Ichirou would be allowed to see the Shinigami for the first time. It's ethereal visage cast itself over Yujo, mimicking his actions as his own blade tore open his gut, "What matter of madness is this?! You Uzumaki and that damned mask." The shinigami spoke out, furious as a few souls were inadvertently released from him and flew off, then a bright blue soul flew forth from the Shinigami, this one was by no doubt, Ichirou's. Yujo, now in control of the Shinigami, reached forward and captured the soul in his ghastly hands, holding it tightly so as to not allow Ichirou's severed soul to pass on. Assuming Masane had brought him Ichirou's body, Yujo would have the Shinigami slam down the Soul back into the corpses chest, and completing the first portion of this ritual. Once done, he looked back at the two and spoke out with a bit of urgency, obviously in quite a bit of pain from the large wound he had inflicted upon himself, "The last bit of Ichirou's soul resides within that Zombie body you reanimated him in, and there are two ways of going about this. I reach inside of it with that guys hand and pull it out, or you release the Edo jutsu on him, and when his soul tries to ascend once again, I'll use that guy to put it back in it's place. The choice is yours, but make it quick." He obviously began to fatigue, using a jutsu like this for extended periods put a strain on anyone, luckily he was used to this kind of jutsu so he had a bit more time than most, but not much."

<||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane She did indeed bring him the body. As he inflicted the wound upon hi, self, Masane held back her shock. The girl was not expecting this to be a part of the project. Hell she did not no what to expect. She wasted no time in releasi in g the jutsu.  Her hands moved in a blur to complete the necessary hand seals. Before completeing the set, she looked to her brother and nodded. With that the jutsu would be released and hopefully they would both live through this ordeal

<||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō took a few deep breaths as he watched Masane release the jutsu, this not being the first time he had seen the Edo tensei jutsu at work, then in unison as the soul of Ichirou was released from the Renanimated body, both Yujo and the Shinigami swung out and grabbed the soul.  Once again the Shinigami's hand slammed down onto the chest of Ichirou's corpse, and reunited the two soul parts. With this done, he removed the mask from his face and allowed the Shinigami to fade back to his world. Yujo panted a bit, and turned to face Masane, "Alright, now that his soul is intact, we can begin bringing his body back to life, which will be made much easier since you preserved it for this very reason, I appreciate it." The wound on his abdomen began opening up further, allowing a beating heart to be removed from it. Once it was out, he spoke out "The life force within this heart will be used as the catalyst to bring him back, though I don't believe it will be enough considering it is just a heart. That is where you come in, Masane." He bent down onto one knee, as he did so, several threads pierced the chest of the corpse before  him, latching onto the heart within. Now connected he began funneling the life force from the extracted heart, directly into Ichirou's dead one. With a look back at Masane, he made a motion with his head that now was the time for her help. With labored movement he extended his hand to the woman, giving her access to enter this chain of life, so her chakra could be funneled into Yujo's extracted heart, and eventually into Ichirou, once it's life force had run out. As this happened, a blue aura began to envelop Ichirou's corpse, a visual effect of the jutsu he was performing on her brother. "Quickly now, this isn't exactly the most fun jutsu to use. Imagine opening 7 of the 8 gates, and running a marathon, that's how this feels." He said with a bit of a chuckle, his pain and fatigue being easily dealt with due to his incredibly durable body.

<||||> Ōtsutsuki, Ichirou 's zombie body grew limp as the jutsu was dispelled. As it fell it broke away into shreds. Similar to ashes. And before the body had fully crumpled it was gone. Now ichirous original body lay cold. The blue chakra from the jutsu enveloping his figure. Which, though pierced by the threads,  bore a calm look upon its semi lifeless face.

<||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane She placed her hand in Yujo's and did what she was told. This proccess was gruesome and she knew Yūjō had to be hurting. She wanted this to be overnas fast as possible. There was nothing she wanted more than to have her brother brought back to her. For this the wonder twins would owe a debt. She began to wonder what she would be made to do. It was times like this that she wished she was not a female.

<||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō | Once his hand was met with Masane's, the warmth of her chakra began washing through him, "What an incredible chakra you have..." He grinned up at her, still slowly channeling chakra into Ichirou. Time passed, and the heart that Yujo had extracted withered away into dust, signifying that this process was nearly complete. With another glance back at her his grin still spread across his face, he interlocked their fingers to bring her hand closer to his own. "Nearly done, but I am growing weak rather quickly." He panted a bit and turned back towards Ichirou who was but a few moments before breathing his first breath of life since death. Though there was an issue here, Yujo had just met these people, why would an Uzumaki make such sacrifice for someone not sharing his blood? Correct answer happened to be, he wasn't. If anyone knew Yujo personally it would not have gone down this way, but the so called wonder twins did not. The tattoos on his hands that rested within Masanes came to life in the form of the Uzumaki Sealing technique, and when the technique was used at such close range, by a user of such mastery, there was no escape to be had. Within the time span of less than 2 seconds would Masane find herself sucked inside of the inscriptions that made up the tattoos on his arm, and forever trapped within them. Considering the amount of trust she had in Yujo, one could doubt that there was much reaction to be had from her, which would make trust the factor that would seal their fate. Once completed, Yujo would simply use another seal to capture Ichirou before any shenanigans were to be had, if any. If all went successfully, he would sealed Masane sealed within his right palm, and ichi in his left.

Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on September 08, 2015, 12:02:44 AM
Now.

My original objection was two fold. And basically undecided.
1] Why be fine with Yujo doing the unsealing, saying Ichi's souls was split, and part being in the Edo body while the rest was in Hell, the Shinigam's belly, up unto the point when he backstabs? With their extensive knowledge of Edo Tensei and such, it should have been objected to right there. But no, they still thought he was doing them a favor and so no peeps were made. So they are kind of stuck with it.

On the other hand...

2] Since he did it wrong, character controlling the soul issue with Ichi, then why should they have to stick with that outcome.

HOWEVER

IF...Yujo was in fact not just making claims about Ichi's soul being split and in Hell, the Shinigami's belly...but was just blowing smoke at Masane and Ichi and waving flash mirrors around to fool them into thinking he was helping them...then bravo! Basically, he flaunts her very own jutsu in front of her, doing it wrong on purpose, with great side-show flare, and her character does not go wtf??? I say the RP is not voidable and must continue with the next person's turn.

As to the auto-hit of the sucking Masane into his seal. you do not have to void the rp to take care of that. Her next post merely counters his desired outcome with her action and what really is happening next.

As to the lying about the whole thing, OOC to the players and IC to their characters, that is what ninja do. We used to do it all the time in the clan wars, it is called subterfuge.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Rusaku on September 08, 2015, 12:36:25 AM
Now.

My original objection was two fold. And basically undecided.
1] Why be fine with Yujo doing the unsealing, saying Ichi's souls was split, and part being in the Edo body while the rest was in Hell, the Shinigam's belly, up unto the point when he backstabs? With their extensive knowledge of Edo Tensei and such, it should have been objected to right there. But no, they still thought he was doing them a favor and so no peeps were made. So they are kind of stuck with it.

On the other hand...

2] Since he did it wrong, character controlling the soul issue with Ichi, then why should they have to stick with that outcome.

HOWEVER

IF...Yujo was in fact not just making claims about Ichi's soul being split and in Hell, the Shinigami's belly...but was just blowing smoke at Masane and Ichi and waving flash mirrors around to fool them into thinking he was helping them...then bravo! Basically, he flaunts her very own jutsu in front of her, doing it wrong on purpose, with great side-show flare, and her character does not go wtf??? I say the RP is not voidable and must continue with the next person's turn.

As to the auto-hit of the sucking Masane into his seal. you do not have to void the rp to take care of that. Her next post merely counters his desired outcome with her action and what really is happening next.

As to the lying about the whole thing, OOC to the players and IC to their characters, that is what ninja do. We used to do it all the time in the clan wars, it is called subterfuge.

The question we have to ask though is this; If Yujo had stated that it "Could" have been Ichirou's soul as opposed to it "was" Ichirou's soul, would the outcome of this RP changed one bit? No, it would not have. With either choice I believe they would have continued with the RP no questions asked just like before and the sealing attempt would have occurred nonetheless. So to try and void the RP based on details that were misconstrued but in the end would have had zero affect on the outcome of the RP itself is just kinda silly to me.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on September 08, 2015, 12:42:21 AM
Yes, My point exactly.
"Basically, he flaunts her very own jutsu in front of her, doing it wrong on purpose, with great side-show flare, and her character does not go wtf??? I say the RP is not voidable and must continue with the next person's turn. "

They need to continue the RP.

Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Masane on September 08, 2015, 12:47:26 AM
Okay so I wont gonna say anything but this is crazy
I dont want it to be voided but if it is it should be voided on the grounds that yujo staight metagamed.  The only reason I accepted him knowing my character ic is because he lied ooc. Also, its my post in the rp so I can still see that he is doing this wrong and stop it.  I really am not shocked that its come to cheap op metagamed rp tactics to take us out.
I wanted it to contimue because I can stop this, and im going to.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on September 08, 2015, 12:56:27 AM
I guess you should have been more strict in the rp rules, not just when they benefit you.

metagaming is not right. But you permitted and agreed to it being fine. I can't tell you how many RP's I have had to go round and round to even establish certain details before I could finally get to the part of the RP i wanted to do first.

It's like, hey Joe come help me with this.

Uhm, Em, I can't cause we dont' know each other.

Oh geesh...well...what other reason could there be to get us together?

Hrm, nothing? Suna sucks and I never go there?

But...what if I was visiting my daughter in Ame and we bumped into each other?

Oh well, yes. That would work. Then we could see what might happen.

Ok, see you there!

Not if I see you first hon! :P
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Masane on September 08, 2015, 01:03:41 AM
Kay, the ONLY reason I accepted it was BECAUSE HE LIED OOC. but whatever im cool with it either way. Dont even say anything else directed to me because im not reading this anymore. I can wait for kage and if its not voided, yay! If so, oh well.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Warren on September 08, 2015, 01:04:52 AM
Not gonna go into the whole metagame/lies/etc part.

However I did say earlier he was wrong to post like your capture was certain, so if you have some way of possibly avoiding the sealing then you're by all means free to attempt it.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on September 08, 2015, 01:09:05 AM
I am confused why if everyone in the rp wants to continue what the issue is then.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Rusaku on September 08, 2015, 01:13:19 AM
I guess you should have been more strict in the rp rules, not just when they benefit you.

metagaming is not right. But you permitted and agreed to it being fine. I can't tell you how many RP's I have had to go round and round to even establish certain details before I could finally get to the part of the RP i wanted to do first.

It's like, hey Joe come help me with this.

Uhm, Em, I can't cause we dont' know each other.

Oh geesh...well...what other reason could there be to get us together?

Hrm, nothing? Suna sucks and I never go there?

But...what if I was visiting my daughter in Ame and we bumped into each other?

Oh well, yes. That would work. Then we could see what might happen.

Ok, see you there!

Not if I see you first hon! :P

This is literally me with all of my friends xD I'm glad I'm not the only one. That's kinda awesome to read, thank you.

But yeah, Masane like I said in PM, no one can void your RP for you. Yes Kage is the the..Kage, but he can't say that RP is void just because he owns the plot of land that the RP is happening on. If you yourself think you can stop this, then do it. We will discuss how you evaded it, should the need arise, but in the meantime if you don't void the RP then this topic has no point other than to put into into the eye of the public.

As it stands I feel as if majority vote has come to the conclusion that claiming Metagame wont really work here considering you accepted the RP. While I understand that you only accepted it because he lied, does not change the fact you accepted it wholeheartedly. Literally told him where your house was within the first post. (Or second, Idk)

Because this is a game, and not actually naruto, we have that additional "make or break" variable known as OOC. If we were 100% honest with every intention, then it would be impossible to get the jump on someone. I feel as if someone has noted this before by calling it "Soft Metagaming" Where people avoid certain situations because they know what will happen IC. Like if Yujo had said that he planned to attack both of them before even coming to ame, then the twins would have acted totally different than when he had lied. Or, as a hypothetical, someone avoiding the use of Wind against a Fire user despite not knowing Ic they use fire. Small things like that.

So while there is some level of injustice with his mendaciousness,  I would have to say it's not quite valid enough to warrant a scapping of his efforts. 
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Murciélago/Bryantheexiled on September 08, 2015, 01:13:54 AM
Pshh I'm confused on how she's gonna just suddenly realize the whole jutsu is a sham when she hasn't earlier and how shes going to go from totally trusting you to WOAH theres totally something fishy going on here let me stop these seals from sucking me up  when a second ago I thought thus was normal
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 08, 2015, 01:15:21 AM
Now.

My original objection was two fold. And basically undecided.
1] Why be fine with Yujo doing the unsealing, saying Ichi's souls was split, and part being in the Edo body while the rest was in Hell, the Shinigam's belly, up unto the point when he backstabs? With their extensive knowledge of Edo Tensei and such, it should have been objected to right there. But no, they still thought he was doing them a favor and so no peeps were made. So they are kind of stuck with it.

On the other hand...

2] Since he did it wrong, character controlling the soul issue with Ichi, then why should they have to stick with that outcome.

HOWEVER

IF...Yujo was in fact not just making claims about Ichi's soul being split and in Hell, the Shinigami's belly...but was just blowing smoke at Masane and Ichi and waving flash mirrors around to fool them into thinking he was helping them...then bravo! Basically, he flaunts her very own jutsu in front of her, doing it wrong on purpose, with great side-show flare, and her character does not go wtf??? I say the RP is not voidable and must continue with the next person's turn.

As to the auto-hit of the sucking Masane into his seal. you do not have to void the rp to take care of that. Her next post merely counters his desired outcome with her action and what really is happening next.

As to the lying about the whole thing, OOC to the players and IC to their characters, that is what ninja do. We used to do it all the time in the clan wars, it is called subterfuge.

The question we have to ask though is this; If Yujo had stated that it "Could" have been Ichirou's soul as opposed to it "was" Ichirou's soul, would the outcome of this RP changed one bit? No, it would not have. With either choice I believe they would have continued with the RP no questions asked just like before and the sealing attempt would have occurred nonetheless. So to try and void the RP based on details that were misconstrued but in the end would have had zero affect on the outcome of the RP itself is just kinda silly to me.

There are many roads we can travel down that would explain why these two are in fact dead, and the Rp cannot be voided, but I will stick with just two.

The first being, they are trying to void and argue details that not only did they accept during the time of the RP, but are arguing them ONLY because they know it is their only way out, not that they know what the deal is.

The second being, that I indeed as Kayenta, and Rusaku and everyone who has read this RP and topic, I simply took these two on a show through the mystical world known as Ninja Magic. They were given so many opportunities to refute or argue things during the time, so many clues and hints that I placed before them, but not ever did they until it became an issue for them.

@ Warren, I didn't post as if she was sealed instantly, "Within the time span of less than 2 seconds would Masane find herself sucked inside of the inscriptions that made up the tattoos on his arm, and forever trapped within them. Considering the amount of trust she had in Yujo, one could doubt that there was much reaction to be had from her, which would make trust the factor that would seal their fate."

If she can do something that isn't a load of BS, I welcomed the Idea, but Kage jumped to the Void Wagon, but if she does make a post of straight meta-gaming nonsense, I will post it here and we will discuss the situation.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 08, 2015, 01:15:52 AM
Pshh I'm confused on how she's gonna just suddenly realize the whole jutsu is a sham when she hasn't earlier and how shes going to go from totally trusting you to WOAH theres totally something fishy going on here let me stop these seals from sucking me up  when a second ago I thought thus was normal

This...^

SOOOOO HARD.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Warren on September 08, 2015, 01:19:56 AM
Okay so Masane gets to post her counter, and that's that, no need for further word war.

If she does good then this topic can be locked and forgotten, if not then what to do next can be discussed here again at such a time.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 08, 2015, 01:22:33 AM
Okay so Masane gets to post her counter, and that's that, no need for further word war.

If she does good then this topic can be locked and forgotten, if not then what to do next can be discussed here again at such a time.

I'll lock it till then.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Kage on September 08, 2015, 02:40:00 AM
I think it's pretty unfair to rush to this within a span of four hours, without asking me for my thoughts or side. This is why I'm unlocking it with my authority. A fair discussion allows the speaking of all parties involved. A circlejerk only allows and glorifies the opinion of one side.

Here's what irks me about the RP. Yujo takes liberties in adjusting the lore to his own needs so he can use an OP revival technique that outmatches Edo Tensei and Rinne Tensei. It doesn't matter if the excuse for doing so was "smoke and mirrors", but the fact is that he RPed that means he clearly claims to have did it.

Below is the reworking of the lore.

Quote
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō looked back at Masane briefly and spoke out through his mask, "Do you mind bringing the body over to me, souls aren't the most, sturdy things." As he said this, he brought the knife upon himself, just about at his bellybutton, and driving it towards the right. The blade sliced through his (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) flesh, and as this occurred, Masane and Ichirou would be allowed to see the Shinigami for the first time. It's ethereal visage cast itself over Yujo, mimicking his actions as his own blade tore open his gut, "What matter of madness is this?! You Uzumaki and that damned mask." (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) The shinigami spoke out, furious as a few souls were inadvertently released from him and flew off, then a bright blue soul flew forth from the Shinigami, this one was by no doubt, Ichirou's. Yujo, now in control of the Shinigami, reached forward and captured the soul in his ghastly hands (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C), holding it tightly so as to not allow Ichirou's severed soul to pass on. Assuming Masane had brought him Ichirou's body, Yujo would have the Shinigami slam down the Soul back into the corpses chest, and completing the first portion of this ritual. Once done, he looked back at the two (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) and spoke out with a bit of urgency, obviously in quite a bit of pain from the large wound he had inflicted upon himself, "The last bit of Ichirou's soul resides within that Zombie body you reanimated him in, and there are two ways of going about this. I reach inside of it with that (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) guys hand and pull it out, or you release the Edo jutsu on him, and when his soul tries to ascend once again, I'll use that guy to put it back in it's place. The choice is yours, but make it quick." He obviously began to fatigue, using a jutsu like this for extended periods (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) put a strain on anyone, luckily he was used to this kind of jutsu so he had a bit more time than most, but not much."

When really, it's like this.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Pure_land
Quote
The Pure Land (浄土, Jōdo, Viz: Afterworld) is the afterlife in which the souls of earthly beings generally reside in death. Souls that have been sealed, such as by the Dead Demon Consuming Seal, cannot enter the Pure Land until the seal has been released. Furthermore, only those souls that reside in the Pure Land can be reincarnated with the Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation, although they will have no memory of their time in the Pure Land.

So let's shorten this down. Yujo explicitly claims and RPs that a part of Ichirou's soul is in Shinigami's stomach, and because of that, he cannot be revived. This puts a huge hamper on anybody who is dead or an Edo Tensei, because it gives him a whole new world to explore of having access to anybody's and everybody's soul who is dead. Either that, or he claims to be able to pull souls out through the Pure Land via Shinigami's stomach, which also opens up a can of worms in the lore too. But it doesn't work like that. The fact that Ichirou is Edo Tensei'd, means that his soul cannot have possibly been inside of Shinigami's stomach. The only way that could happen, is if he was Dead Demon Consuming Sealed. When he clearly wasn't, because if memory serves correct, he died from having the Four Tails extracted from him.



Here's where I point out the revival methods.

Quote
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō looked back at Masane briefly and spoke out through his mask, "Do you mind bringing the body over to me, souls aren't the most, sturdy things." As he said this, he brought the knife upon himself, just about at his bellybutton, and driving it towards the right. The blade sliced through his (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) flesh, and as this occurred, Masane and Ichirou would be allowed to see the Shinigami for the first time. It's ethereal visage cast itself over Yujo, mimicking his actions as his own blade tore open his gut, "What matter of madness is this?! You Uzumaki and that damned mask." (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) The shinigami spoke out, furious as a few souls were inadvertently released from him and flew off, then a bright blue soul flew forth from the Shinigami, this one was by no doubt, Ichirou's. Yujo, now in control of the Shinigami, reached forward and captured the soul in his ghastly hands (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C), holding it tightly so as to not allow Ichirou's severed soul to pass on. Assuming Masane had brought him Ichirou's body, Yujo would have the Shinigami slam down the Soul back into the corpses chest, and completing the first portion of this ritual.
Once done, he looked back at the two (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) and spoke out with a bit of urgency, obviously in quite a bit of pain from the large wound he had inflicted upon himself, "The last bit of Ichirou's soul resides within that Zombie body you reanimated him in, and there are two ways of going about this. I reach inside of it with that (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) guys hand and pull it out, or you release the Edo jutsu on him, and when his soul tries to ascend once again, I'll use that guy to put it back in it's place. The choice is yours, but make it quick." He obviously began to fatigue, using a jutsu like this for extended periods (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) put a strain on anyone, luckily he was used to this kind of jutsu so he had a bit more time than most, but not much."
(2d22h) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane She did indeed bring him the body. As he inflicted the wound upon hi, self, Masane held back her shock. The girl was not expecting this to be a part of the project. Hell she did not no what to expect. She wasted no time in releasi in g the jutsu. ( c )
(2d22h) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane Her hands moved in a blur to complete the necessary hand seals. Before completeing the set, she looked to her brother and nodded. With that the jutsu would be released and hopefully they would both live through this ordeal
(2d1h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō took a few deep breaths as he watched Masane release the jutsu, this not being the first time he had seen the Edo tensei jutsu at work, then in unison as the soul of Ichirou was released from the Renanimated body, both Yujo and the Shinigami swung out and grabbed the soul. (C)
(2d1h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) Once again the Shinigami's hand slammed down onto the chest of Ichirou's corpse, and reunited the two soul parts. With this done, he removed the mask from his face and allowed the Shinigami to fade back to his world. Yujo panted a bit, and turned to face Masane, "Alright, now that his (C)
(2d1h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) soul is intact, we can begin bringing his body back to life, which will be made much easier since you preserved it for this very reason, I appreciate it." The wound on his abdomen began opening up further, allowing a beating heart to be removed from it. Once it was out, he spoke out (C)
(2d1h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C)"The life force within this heart will be used as the catalyst to bring him back, though I don't believe it will be enough considering it is just a heart. That is where you come in, Masane." He bent down onto one knee, as he did so, several threads pierced the chest of the corpse before (C)
(2d1h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) him, latching onto the heart within. Now connected he began funneling the life force from the extracted heart, directly into Ichirou's dead one.
With a look back at Masane, he made a motion with his head that now was the time for her help. With labored movement he extended his hand to (C)
(2d1h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) the woman, giving her access to enter this chain of life, so her chakra could be funneled into Yujo's extracted heart, and eventually into Ichirou, once it's life force had run out. As this happened, a blue aura began to envelop Ichirou's corpse, a visual effect of the jutsu he was (C)
(2d1h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) performing on her brother. "Quickly now, this isn't exactly the most fun jutsu to use. Imagine opening 7 of the 8 gates, and running a marathon, that's how this feels." He said with a bit of a chuckle, his pain and fatigue being easily dealt with due to his incredibly durable (C)
(2d1h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) body.

So the entire method of this revival technique is as follows:
- Take out a part of the person's soul from Shinigami's stomach
- Slap that into the body
- Take whatever other pieces there might be at that point, with the claims of being able to rip a soul out from Edo Tensei
- Slap that into the body too
- Pump one's life force into the body to revive them

The above violates the lore, claims (http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/The_Claimed#Techniques) on the One's Own Life Reincarnation (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/One%27s_Own_Life_Reincarnation), and the OP-ness of being able to circumvent revival from canon methods.

After explaining the above to Ichirou and Masane, they understood why it had to be voided. I had to void it because I will not endorse any sort of lore-adjusting that gives a small group of people access to anybody's soul, partial or whole, that can then be manipulated to their desires via custom methods that are only allowed through this lore-twisting. Only a small number of canon techniques allow somebody to call forth a soul from the Pure Land. And the only other person who can just up and summon a soul from the Pure Land without the aid of a disadvantageous or dangerous technique was Hagoromo Otsutsuki.



I don't treat my village members as dogs and command their every move. I let them do as they please on their off-time. But I did have to step in and advise them of why this isn't going to work. By letting this fly, I would be acknowledging and allowing Yujo's claims of being able to do all this. And as a kage of the land, that grants him some privileges and support in the powers he displayed. This is why I void it. Yujo may have claimed that he did it as "smoke and mirrors" to win them over, but RP is RP. He gave no indication whatsoever of this being an illusion.

Once again, I voided this based upon the fact that I cannot accept the twisting of lore and usage of this custom revival technique that utilizes an already-claimed technique and has more advantages to it than disadvantages overall.

And I would advise anybody that locking a topic without letting all parties involved in a situation explain their side is equivalent to circlejerking and defamation/libel. Any topic that I see that is doing this will be unlocked to allow all parties involved to present their case.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Murciélago/Bryantheexiled on September 08, 2015, 02:56:32 AM
@kage I understand it's lore that's twisted... But they never questioned it... That's the main problem they were fine with it all the way until it backfired even though they knew it was impossible.... The fact that you didn't even call it into question until after he was supposedly sucking up Masane... Is sort of bias.... Now hold on before you get unto bash Bryan with a hammer moment I'm just giving my opinion as you know I've agreed with a few things with you before but in this case it's just honestly unfair to just say let's void it... If you or anyone.. Chooses to ignore rules or correct descriptions of techniques to further there gain but then be disappointed when it doesn't work out... Well that's honestly karma... Now for all I know you just didn't see it till then and then said something (completely understandable) but the 3 people who were rping had already agreed and proceed with the rp until true ties were shown can't just be ignored.... Look at what happened when a situation like this happened earlier (Neala and Eric) thought it was random the Rp continued... Only in this case it's worse because they knew the technique wasn't right and didn't voice it.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Rusaku on September 08, 2015, 02:58:15 AM
I think it's pretty unfair to rush to this within a span of four hours, without asking me for my thoughts or side. This is why I'm unlocking it with my authority. A fair discussion allows the speaking of all parties involved. A circlejerk only allows and glorifies the opinion of one side.

Here's what irks me about the RP. Yujo takes liberties in adjusting the lore to his own needs so he can use an OP revival technique that outmatches Edo Tensei and Rinne Tensei. It doesn't matter if the excuse for doing so was "smoke and mirrors", but the fact is that he RPed that means he clearly claims to have did it.

Below is the reworking of the lore.

Quote
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō looked back at Masane briefly and spoke out through his mask, "Do you mind bringing the body over to me, souls aren't the most, sturdy things." As he said this, he brought the knife upon himself, just about at his bellybutton, and driving it towards the right. The blade sliced through his (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) flesh, and as this occurred, Masane and Ichirou would be allowed to see the Shinigami for the first time. It's ethereal visage cast itself over Yujo, mimicking his actions as his own blade tore open his gut, "What matter of madness is this?! You Uzumaki and that damned mask." (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) The shinigami spoke out, furious as a few souls were inadvertently released from him and flew off, then a bright blue soul flew forth from the Shinigami, this one was by no doubt, Ichirou's. Yujo, now in control of the Shinigami, reached forward and captured the soul in his ghastly hands (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C), holding it tightly so as to not allow Ichirou's severed soul to pass on. Assuming Masane had brought him Ichirou's body, Yujo would have the Shinigami slam down the Soul back into the corpses chest, and completing the first portion of this ritual. Once done, he looked back at the two (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) and spoke out with a bit of urgency, obviously in quite a bit of pain from the large wound he had inflicted upon himself, "The last bit of Ichirou's soul resides within that Zombie body you reanimated him in, and there are two ways of going about this. I reach inside of it with that (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) guys hand and pull it out, or you release the Edo jutsu on him, and when his soul tries to ascend once again, I'll use that guy to put it back in it's place. The choice is yours, but make it quick." He obviously began to fatigue, using a jutsu like this for extended periods (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) put a strain on anyone, luckily he was used to this kind of jutsu so he had a bit more time than most, but not much."

When really, it's like this.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Pure_land
Quote
The Pure Land (浄土, Jōdo, Viz: Afterworld) is the afterlife in which the souls of earthly beings generally reside in death. Souls that have been sealed, such as by the Dead Demon Consuming Seal, cannot enter the Pure Land until the seal has been released. Furthermore, only those souls that reside in the Pure Land can be reincarnated with the Summoning: Impure World Reincarnation, although they will have no memory of their time in the Pure Land.

So let's shorten this down. Yujo explicitly claims and RPs that a part of Ichirou's soul is in Shinigami's stomach, and because of that, he cannot be revived. This puts a huge hamper on anybody who is dead or an Edo Tensei, because it gives him a whole new world to explore of having access to anybody's and everybody's soul who is dead. Either that, or he claims to be able to pull souls out through the Pure Land via Shinigami's stomach, which also opens up a can of worms in the lore too. But it doesn't work like that. The fact that Ichirou is Edo Tensei'd, means that his soul cannot have possibly been inside of Shinigami's stomach. The only way that could happen, is if he was Dead Demon Consuming Sealed. When he clearly wasn't, because if memory serves correct, he died from having the Four Tails extracted from him.



Here's where I point out the revival methods.

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(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō looked back at Masane briefly and spoke out through his mask, "Do you mind bringing the body over to me, souls aren't the most, sturdy things." As he said this, he brought the knife upon himself, just about at his bellybutton, and driving it towards the right. The blade sliced through his (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) flesh, and as this occurred, Masane and Ichirou would be allowed to see the Shinigami for the first time. It's ethereal visage cast itself over Yujo, mimicking his actions as his own blade tore open his gut, "What matter of madness is this?! You Uzumaki and that damned mask." (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) The shinigami spoke out, furious as a few souls were inadvertently released from him and flew off, then a bright blue soul flew forth from the Shinigami, this one was by no doubt, Ichirou's. Yujo, now in control of the Shinigami, reached forward and captured the soul in his ghastly hands (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C), holding it tightly so as to not allow Ichirou's severed soul to pass on. Assuming Masane had brought him Ichirou's body, Yujo would have the Shinigami slam down the Soul back into the corpses chest, and completing the first portion of this ritual.
Once done, he looked back at the two (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) and spoke out with a bit of urgency, obviously in quite a bit of pain from the large wound he had inflicted upon himself, "The last bit of Ichirou's soul resides within that Zombie body you reanimated him in, and there are two ways of going about this. I reach inside of it with that (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) guys hand and pull it out, or you release the Edo jutsu on him, and when his soul tries to ascend once again, I'll use that guy to put it back in it's place. The choice is yours, but make it quick." He obviously began to fatigue, using a jutsu like this for extended periods (C)
(2d22h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) put a strain on anyone, luckily he was used to this kind of jutsu so he had a bit more time than most, but not much."
(2d22h) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane She did indeed bring him the body. As he inflicted the wound upon hi, self, Masane held back her shock. The girl was not expecting this to be a part of the project. Hell she did not no what to expect. She wasted no time in releasi in g the jutsu. ( c )
(2d22h) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane Her hands moved in a blur to complete the necessary hand seals. Before completeing the set, she looked to her brother and nodded. With that the jutsu would be released and hopefully they would both live through this ordeal
(2d1h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō took a few deep breaths as he watched Masane release the jutsu, this not being the first time he had seen the Edo tensei jutsu at work, then in unison as the soul of Ichirou was released from the Renanimated body, both Yujo and the Shinigami swung out and grabbed the soul. (C)
(2d1h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) Once again the Shinigami's hand slammed down onto the chest of Ichirou's corpse, and reunited the two soul parts. With this done, he removed the mask from his face and allowed the Shinigami to fade back to his world. Yujo panted a bit, and turned to face Masane, "Alright, now that his (C)
(2d1h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) soul is intact, we can begin bringing his body back to life, which will be made much easier since you preserved it for this very reason, I appreciate it." The wound on his abdomen began opening up further, allowing a beating heart to be removed from it. Once it was out, he spoke out (C)
(2d1h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C)"The life force within this heart will be used as the catalyst to bring him back, though I don't believe it will be enough considering it is just a heart. That is where you come in, Masane." He bent down onto one knee, as he did so, several threads pierced the chest of the corpse before (C)
(2d1h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) him, latching onto the heart within. Now connected he began funneling the life force from the extracted heart, directly into Ichirou's dead one.
With a look back at Masane, he made a motion with his head that now was the time for her help. With labored movement he extended his hand to (C)
(2d1h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) the woman, giving her access to enter this chain of life, so her chakra could be funneled into Yujo's extracted heart, and eventually into Ichirou, once it's life force had run out. As this happened, a blue aura began to envelop Ichirou's corpse, a visual effect of the jutsu he was (C)
(2d1h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) performing on her brother. "Quickly now, this isn't exactly the most fun jutsu to use. Imagine opening 7 of the 8 gates, and running a marathon, that's how this feels." He said with a bit of a chuckle, his pain and fatigue being easily dealt with due to his incredibly durable (C)
(2d1h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) body.

So the entire method of this revival technique is as follows:
- Take out a part of the person's soul from Shinigami's stomach
- Slap that into the body
- Take whatever other pieces there might be at that point, with the claims of being able to rip a soul out from Edo Tensei
- Slap that into the body too
- Pump one's life force into the body to revive them

The above violates the lore, claims (http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/The_Claimed#Techniques) on the One's Own Life Reincarnation (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/One%27s_Own_Life_Reincarnation), and the OP-ness of being able to circumvent revival from canon methods.

After explaining the above to Ichirou and Masane, they understood why it had to be voided. I had to void it because I will not endorse any sort of lore-adjusting that gives a small group of people access to anybody's soul, partial or whole, that can then be manipulated to their desires via custom methods that are only allowed through this lore-twisting. Only a small number of canon techniques allow somebody to call forth a soul from the Pure Land. And the only other person who can just up and summon a soul from the Pure Land without the aid of a disadvantageous or dangerous technique was Hagoromo Otsutsuki.



I don't treat my village members as dogs and command their every move. I let them do as they please on their off-time. But I did have to step in and advise them of why this isn't going to work. By letting this fly, I would be acknowledging and allowing Yujo's claims of being able to do all this. And as a kage of the land, that grants him some privileges and support in the powers he displayed. This is why I void it. Yujo may have claimed that he did it as "smoke and mirrors" to win them over, but RP is RP. He gave no indication whatsoever of this being an illusion.

Once again, I voided this based upon the fact that I cannot accept the twisting of lore and usage of this custom revival technique that utilizes an already-claimed technique and has more advantages to it than disadvantages overall.

And I would advise anybody that locking a topic without letting all parties involved in a situation explain their side is equivalent to circlejerking and defamation/libel. Any topic that I see that is doing this will be unlocked to allow all parties involved to present their case.

Alright champ *Ruffles Kage's hair* lets take a step back. It's already been established that his misconstruing the lore would have no effect on the outcome of the RP in the end. They accepted the RP Yujo laid out, they made a mistake. Did you even read the whole thread?

If you believe that your so involved with this RP, maybe you should have read the RP that was going on in your village for two days before it needed to be taken to the forum, and this could have been stopped long before. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Your silence is just as much acceptance as their's was.

Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Becquerel on September 08, 2015, 02:58:55 AM
I don't treat my village members as dogs and command their every move. I let them do as they please on their off-time. But I did have to step in and advise them of why this isn't going to work. By letting this fly, I would be acknowledging and allowing Yujo's claims of being able to do all this. And as a kage of the land, that grants him some privileges and support in the powers he displayed. This is why I void it. Yujo may have claimed that he did it as "smoke and mirrors" to win them over, but RP is RP. He gave no indication whatsoever of this being an illusion.

I just want to say my two cents on this part right here. You know, it's really hard to do proper 'sneaky' RP if people want every little detail being said. Basically, it's hard to pull the wool over someone's eyes when they're constantly demanding explanations for things so they can avoid it.

Like if I post that I threw some disks at the opponent and the opponent managed to dodge it. If I were then to post that they explode because they were proximity mines, the opponent would be up in a tizzy because I didn't state that they were mines in the first post. Or if I spew a cloud of smoke but neglect to state that it's really fine particulate glass shards mixed with oleoresin capsicum. The opponent might hold their breath or something, but when I then reveal what the smoke really was they'd be upset that it 'hurts' them.

Mainly, if someone's trying to do sneaky RP, then they should be able to be as sneaky as possible with their intentions. Only in the end should they be able to unmask their plan to show that they intended. Or if someone confronts them before they get to that point, then they'd be able to say "And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for you meddling ninja!" But in this case, it looks like no one really confronted him.

Though I don't agree with that whole "You're sealed away forever, I win" conclusion here. Sure, it's character death, but it's done so in a way where you take the player's ability away from them to bring their character back. And unless they're okay with that, I don't really think that's cool. Character death is an okay thing, I think they should be able to come back through gameplay.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Masane on September 08, 2015, 03:00:28 AM
Like I told waeeren, the way it was posted I would be able to tell that something was wrong.
Ex-when I canceled the edo, he stated that ichis soul would come out of the death gods belly when it would not have in the same post he attacked me, so once he grabbed that soul, masane would know that it was not ichis.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Ace on September 08, 2015, 03:02:11 AM
The "author" of the topic locked the topic, respect the lock.

Locked.
Unless there are *moderation* issues (i.e. warnings, words of wisdom)
Notify Eric/Kage or the *author* of the topic.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 12, 2015, 09:33:00 PM
Let's talk, now that Masane has posted her defense, so that we may end this debacle, once and for all.

 (20m32s) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane It was never stated that Masane trusted this man. In fact she had a rather solid reason for not trusting him. The man wore Uzumaki clothing which meant that he was more than likely from Uzushiogakure. She should have known something was wrong sooner, However Masane was blinded by her goal to revive her brother. Her ever active Sharingan stared at the event in their eternal state as they so often were. Her eyes were on the man knelt before her, her hand on top of his. She found it odd that he would try to interlock their fingers. This was completely unnecessary for what she was doing so she did not let it happen. She was sure to keep her her hand were it was. The girl was able to funnel her chakra into him with the contact that they already had. Her eyes narrowed and in that moment she realized that this man was indeed an enemy. With the activation of the seal, Masane would know immediately what Yujo was trying to do. She was an Uzumaki and rather versed in the ways of Fuinjutsu. With the added effects of her Sharingan, she would be able to react in time to save herself from a rather grim fate .Masane reacted by using the Landmine fist (technique.http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Exp losion_Release:_Landmine_Fist). The seal would have been destroyed rendering it useless. As for Yujo, it was unlikely that he would be able to avoid certain death at such a close range. Since it was never stated that the seal would disrupt her chakra flow, and the technique Yujo was using took closer to seven seconds instead of less than two, it was safe to say that she would have time to react properly. Yujo's left arm, most of his upper torso and quite possibly his head (considering he was kneeling down and she herself was standing up) would have been obliterated in the blast. She was careful to try and keep the blast centered on her target but unfortunately, Ichirou's body was close enough to be damaged but not severely. As the blast would go off, Masane would take her left hand and place it on her brother's body and without waiting to see the effects of her attack Masane would take her left hand and place it on her brother's body and without waiting to see the effects of her attack Masane would Hiraishin to Kage taking the body with her

I, as Kayenta did, removed the continuations, so that the post looked cleaner. If you think I have altered the post in anyway that would benefit my own purpose, I assure you, someone from Ame with the access to the RP will notify us all.

Moving on, if you took the moment to read her post out, you will notice several discrepancies; For instance: "In fact she had a rather solid reason for not trusting him. The man wore Uzumaki clothing which meant that he was more than likely from Uzushiogakure." This here, is obvious, and deliberate Meta-game. During the entire RP, she never once even looked at Yujo with a doubt in her mind, never once even taking notice of his robes until just when it became relevant. In fact, look here.

(8d) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane Masane detected Yujo as he drew closer to her home. She stood up and moved to the door just in time to see her brother come up. He had been missing for a long time but she would get to that later. The door opened and she stood there, still in her ninja gear. She had not taken ( c )
(8d) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane the time to unwind. She had been trying to locate Amegakures would be assailent. It was clear from the dark circles under her eyes that she had not slept in a while. "Hey guys, come in." she mumbled as she moved back into her living room in order to ( c )
(8d) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane make a thrid attempt to find her target. It was beginning to seem as if the mad would never show himself. As she stared into the crystal ball she spoke. "What brings you guys here?"

This was the first post were Yujo and Masane met, you can see for yourself. There are tons of other bits in her posts that would prove that she completely trusted Yujo till her trust was broken, like, "For this ( c )
(6d17h) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane the wonder twins would owe a debt. She began to wonder what she would be made to do. It was times like this that she wished she was not a female."

This was Masane's inner dialogue, and if this don't prove she trusts Yujo, I honestly don't know what will.

Again I will digress from this point and move onto another point, "Her ever active Sharingan stared at the event in their eternal state as they so often were." If you could find in the RP where she ever stated to have had the Sharingan active, would honestly surprise me. Even in her Wikia, it states nothing about her Sharingan being active at all times. So I am disputing this claim as well.

Look, at this point we could go on for ages, talking about how her post was full of Meta-game, and attempts to make some Revisionists History. At the end of the day, nobody defending their position can explain why not she does not trust Yujo now, when a multitude of times in the RP she expressed in one way, shape or form, her trust for Yujo. I find that due to this, the entirety of her post is Null and the actions taken in my last post of the RP where the two were sealed should now come into fruition.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Kage on September 12, 2015, 10:17:32 PM
Let's talk, now that Masane has posted her defense, so that we may end this debacle, once and for all.

 (20m32s) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane It was never stated that Masane trusted this man. In fact she had a rather solid reason for not trusting him. The man wore Uzumaki clothing which meant that he was more than likely from Uzushiogakure. She should have known something was wrong sooner, However Masane was blinded by her goal to revive her brother. Her ever active Sharingan stared at the event in their eternal state as they so often were. Her eyes were on the man knelt before her, her hand on top of his. She found it odd that he would try to interlock their fingers. This was completely unnecessary for what she was doing so she did not let it happen. She was sure to keep her her hand were it was. The girl was able to funnel her chakra into him with the contact that they already had. Her eyes narrowed and in that moment she realized that this man was indeed an enemy. With the activation of the seal, Masane would know immediately what Yujo was trying to do. She was an Uzumaki and rather versed in the ways of Fuinjutsu. With the added effects of her Sharingan, she would be able to react in time to save herself from a rather grim fate .Masane reacted by using the Landmine fist (technique.http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Exp losion_Release:_Landmine_Fist). The seal would have been destroyed rendering it useless. As for Yujo, it was unlikely that he would be able to avoid certain death at such a close range. Since it was never stated that the seal would disrupt her chakra flow, and the technique Yujo was using took closer to seven seconds instead of less than two, it was safe to say that she would have time to react properly. Yujo's left arm, most of his upper torso and quite possibly his head (considering he was kneeling down and she herself was standing up) would have been obliterated in the blast. She was careful to try and keep the blast centered on her target but unfortunately, Ichirou's body was close enough to be damaged but not severely. As the blast would go off, Masane would take her left hand and place it on her brother's body and without waiting to see the effects of her attack Masane would take her left hand and place it on her brother's body and without waiting to see the effects of her attack Masane would Hiraishin to Kage taking the body with her

I, as Kayenta did, removed the continuations, so that the post looked cleaner. If you think I have altered the post in anyway that would benefit my own purpose, I assure you, someone from Ame with the access to the RP will notify us all.

Moving on, if you took the moment to read her post out, you will notice several discrepancies; For instance: "In fact she had a rather solid reason for not trusting him. The man wore Uzumaki clothing which meant that he was more than likely from Uzushiogakure." This here, is obvious, and deliberate Meta-game. During the entire RP, she never once even looked at Yujo with a doubt in her mind, never once even taking notice of his robes until just when it became relevant. In fact, look here.

(8d) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane Masane detected Yujo as he drew closer to her home. She stood up and moved to the door just in time to see her brother come up. He had been missing for a long time but she would get to that later. The door opened and she stood there, still in her ninja gear. She had not taken ( c )
(8d) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane the time to unwind. She had been trying to locate Amegakures would be assailent. It was clear from the dark circles under her eyes that she had not slept in a while. "Hey guys, come in." she mumbled as she moved back into her living room in order to ( c )
(8d) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane make a thrid attempt to find her target. It was beginning to seem as if the mad would never show himself. As she stared into the crystal ball she spoke. "What brings you guys here?"

This was the first post were Yujo and Masane met, you can see for yourself. There are tons of other bits in her posts that would prove that she completely trusted Yujo till her trust was broken, like, "For this ( c )
(6d17h) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane the wonder twins would owe a debt. She began to wonder what she would be made to do. It was times like this that she wished she was not a female."

This was Masane's inner dialogue, and if this don't prove she trusts Yujo, I honestly don't know what will.

Again I will digress from this point and move onto another point, "Her ever active Sharingan stared at the event in their eternal state as they so often were." If you could find in the RP where she ever stated to have had the Sharingan active, would honestly surprise me. Even in her Wikia, it states nothing about her Sharingan being active at all times. So I am disputing this claim as well.

Look, at this point we could go on for ages, talking about how her post was full of Meta-game, and attempts to make some Revisionists History. At the end of the day, nobody defending their position can explain why not she does not trust Yujo now, when a multitude of times in the RP she expressed in one way, shape or form, her trust for Yujo. I find that due to this, the entirety of her post is Null and the actions taken in my last post of the RP where the two were sealed should now come into fruition.
People change their minds. Maybe you did in the middle of the RP too, maybe you didn't. IC or OOC.

And you'll have to give her the benefit-of-a-doubt for this one. She's a Uchiha, and it isn't unusual for a Uchiha to have their Sharingan active most of the time or all the time. It's actually how a ton on SL roll, whether they state it or not.

Even though you explicitly state in your SL Bio that your wiki profile is outdated, the benefit-of-a-doubt is given to you that you have sealing tattoos on your arms. Just like how you somehow are able to revive people more efficiently than other canon techniques. It's unusual for an Uzumaki to have sealing tattoos on their arms already. I mean all Masane has to say that her bio is outdated, and from there she could make-up whatever she wants and when it suits her. You'll surely have to accept that too, right?

But even then, she did state that her Sharingan was active 24 days ago. She's been in a constant RP state since then. In fact, we're still RPing that this is the same day, over the course of two months, that I've been having these meetings. Ichirou, Masane and others have also been a part of that day, and have even been present in these meetings as well. She never once stated that her Sharingan was deactivated since that time 24 days ago.

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(25d2h) <||||> Uchiha Kage looked over to address Masane, "If you could, please take a look at the sealing pattern on the table behind me. More specifically, it's chakra signature. I've already collected samples of it myself, but having a sensor like you give a few looks at it would be nice." He then turned to [c]
(25d2h) <||||> Uchiha Kage [c] speak to the second visitor of the day, "An alliance with Iwagakure I presume, correct?" A hand would come upon his chin to slightly rub at it, "Elaborate on what the agreements and conditions would be, if you could." he asked.
(24d13h) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane {She nodded and moved over to the table. Her Sharingan analyzed the pattered as well as the chakra it contained. After a few moments she pulled a blank scoll from under her cloak and unrolled it on the table. Inside was a brush and a small vial of ink. Masane began ( c )
(24d13h) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane to copy the patteren onto the scroll as she familiarized heself with the chakra. There was no doubt that it was the same as the one that attacked a while back. If need be she would be able to find the assailant rather easily, provided said person was not hiding behind some ( c )
(24d13h) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane sort of chakra hiding barrier. After copying the seal, Masane would allow the ink to dry. Her ever active eternal Mangekyō would study the chakra signature as she waited for Kage to finish his meeting.}

Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Genesis on September 12, 2015, 10:21:42 PM
Alright, here's my two cents. Since I'm affiliated with Uzu, I'm obviously going to be biased, but I'll try to be impartial as can be. Before I begin, let me preface a few things.

Yujo is a jerk and an asshole.

Is this true? Holy crap, yes. But is it against the rules? No.

Here's the thing: You gave your full, undivided, trust to this man. And like the jerk he is, he did this huge swerve at the last second and turned out to be evil.

Guess who did that also? Prince Hans from Frozen.

Masane, I'm sorry to tell you this, but you're Anna. You gave your trust to Prince Hans...but in the end, he, or Yujo, turned on you.

You can dissect Yujo's rp down to the very word, even syllable, but you have to own up to the fact he abused that trust; the trust that YOU gave him.

Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 12, 2015, 10:56:55 PM
People change their minds. Maybe you did in the middle of the RP too, maybe you didn't. IC or OOC.

And you'll have to give her the benefit-of-a-doubt for this one. She's a Uchiha, and it isn't unusual for a Uchiha to have their Sharingan active most of the time or all the time. It's actually how a ton on SL roll, whether they state it or not.

Even though you explicitly state in your SL Bio that your wiki profile is outdated, the benefit-of-a-doubt is given to you that you have sealing tattoos on your arms. Just like how you somehow are able to revive people more efficiently than other canon techniques. It's unusual for an Uzumaki to have sealing tattoos on their arms already. I mean all Masane has to say that her bio is outdated, and from there she could make-up whatever she wants and when it suits her. You'll surely have to accept that too, right?

But even then, she did state that her Sharingan was active 24 days ago. She's been in a constant RP state since then. In fact, we're still RPing that this is the same day, over the course of two months, that I've been having these meetings. Ichirou, Masane and others have also been a part of that day, and have even been present in these meetings as well. She never once stated that her Sharingan was deactivated since that time 24 days ago.

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(25d2h) <||||> Uchiha Kage looked over to address Masane, "If you could, please take a look at the sealing pattern on the table behind me. More specifically, it's chakra signature. I've already collected samples of it myself, but having a sensor like you give a few looks at it would be nice." He then turned to [c]
(25d2h) <||||> Uchiha Kage [c] speak to the second visitor of the day, "An alliance with Iwagakure I presume, correct?" A hand would come upon his chin to slightly rub at it, "Elaborate on what the agreements and conditions would be, if you could." he asked.
(24d13h) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane {She nodded and moved over to the table. Her Sharingan analyzed the pattered as well as the chakra it contained. After a few moments she pulled a blank scoll from under her cloak and unrolled it on the table. Inside was a brush and a small vial of ink. Masane began ( c )
(24d13h) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane to copy the patteren onto the scroll as she familiarized heself with the chakra. There was no doubt that it was the same as the one that attacked a while back. If need be she would be able to find the assailant rather easily, provided said person was not hiding behind some ( c )
(24d13h) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane sort of chakra hiding barrier. After copying the seal, Masane would allow the ink to dry. Her ever active eternal Mangekyō would study the chakra signature as she waited for Kage to finish his meeting.}


For one, I emoted that I had 'tattoos' on my arms and hands, from my initial post, so all of that nonsense about you being so gracious and giving me the 'Benefit-of-the-doubt' is just plain hilarious, so stop, cause this is super serious.

"As he came near, he tried to walk as calmly as possible, even raising his hands into the air and inadvertently displaying the myriad of tattoos that ran up an down his forearms and palms..." an excerpt, if you want to see the full post, Kayenta posted the entire RP for reference here on this topic.

Okay, so even if we accept that she has her sharingan active at every moment in time ever, and if your claim is true that the majority of people with sharingan claim to always have it active as well, then...Why is the activation of the sharingan emoted in most to all fights? Because you don't trust the opponent not to exploit the fact that you didn't have it active. So again, your claims fall short.

Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Rusaku on September 12, 2015, 11:20:52 PM

People change their minds. Maybe you did in the middle of the RP too, maybe you didn't. IC or OOC.

And you'll have to give her the benefit-of-a-doubt for this one. She's a Uchiha, and it isn't unusual for a Uchiha to have their Sharingan active most of the time or all the time. It's actually how a ton on SL roll, whether they state it or not.

Even though you explicitly state in your SL Bio that your wiki profile is outdated, the benefit-of-a-doubt is given to you that you have sealing tattoos on your arms. Just like how you somehow are able to revive people more efficiently than other canon techniques. It's unusual for an Uzumaki to have sealing tattoos on their arms already. I mean all Masane has to say that her bio is outdated, and from there she could make-up whatever she wants and when it suits her. You'll surely have to accept that too, right?

But even then, she did state that her Sharingan was active 24 days ago. She's been in a constant RP state since then. In fact, we're still RPing that this is the same day, over the course of two months, that I've been having these meetings. Ichirou, Masane and others have also been a part of that day, and have even been present in these meetings as well. She never once stated that her Sharingan was deactivated since that time 24 days ago.


Man, you are just hung up on him feigning a rebirth technique. He never brought Ichirou back, period.

Honestly though, I cannot wait for a thread to arise where you contradict yourself with this "Benefit of the doubt" You are spouting off about. I got this crap saved now xD

On topic though, I was hoping for a better response from Masane other than “Suddenly this whole interaction was strange and I need to be hesitant of Yujo’s actions.”  Though honestly I don’t know what I would have expected otherwise considering their predicament.

“Metagaming is any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game...”

So, for her to suddenly be so cautious of the man she willingly grabbed hands with, let inter her home casually, and even herself wondered what actions she would take to pay him back, is by definition metagaming, and there is /nothing/ to prove me otherwise. Her saying “It was never stated that I trusted him” is really just wrong. Actions speak louder than words in every situation, and every action you had taken up to this point suggested complete and utter trust in Yujo bringing back your brother with little to no consequence (Other than the implied sexual favours she would be performing to pay him back).

Side bar though, how did Ichirou not get mad pissed when he saw that? If my sis said some shit like that even in an RP I would be so upset >.>. 

Now I would like to ask this; How can she differentiate between the two techniques Yujo was using? Because he already had chakra flowing through his hands at the time of the attack for the FAKE resurrection technique (Yes, I’m talking to you Kage). So for her to notice the different fluctuations of chakra, understand that it is a hostile sealing technique, and react accordingly within the “less than 2 second” time frame is a bit of a stretch for me. Not only that, she even mentions that she is doing this RP sleep deprived from her previous missions, and I’m sorry but that does in fact dull reaction time considerably. Want me to go through and pick out all the times people on this forum have said "Sorry, I'm sleep deprived so my post might not make sense."?

But really though, kinds off topic but not at the same time; if sudden moments of clarity that allow you to escape certain death are fought for tooth and nail for by the people of Ame, I cannot wait to go there and understand every aspect of their movesets through various epiphanies after each attack /and/ have it be completely legit.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Deathstroke on September 12, 2015, 11:36:38 PM
I feel like this is starting to get a little out of hand.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Rusaku on September 12, 2015, 11:43:04 PM
I feel like this is starting to get a little out of hand.


And you are probably right >.>
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on September 13, 2015, 05:17:25 AM
Assumed constant active Sharingan? Seriously? Because most people have it on all the time so we can assume she does too?

WHAT?

shall we add retropost to metagame now? <---- There is an example Becquerel.

 This constant activated state does take minimal chakra to keep going...for how long now? In a sleep deprived state. Uber chakra pool hax. Anyway...Someone hangs out around me with the Sharingan activated I tell them to stop violating me and consider it an act of aggression, no different than unsheathing their sword in my office. I call them out on it and tell them to turn it off. So why...in a non-combat situation would/can we assume she had hers on? I didn't see that stated in the prior rp.

oy. Have fun with this one folks.

Moenkopi Out!

Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Nathan on September 13, 2015, 05:27:20 AM
Man I have read this topic. I swear. Okay, I lied. I read most of it. I read enough. Masane is totes dead, though. Like, I see how some people are trying to argue this, but come on she willingly let him in his house and showed no signs of hostility until Yujo posted he sealed her.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Genesis on September 13, 2015, 05:28:57 AM
Man I have read this topic. I swear. Okay, I lied. I read most of it. I read enough. Masane is totes dead, though. Like, I see how some people are trying to argue this, but come on she willingly let him in his house and showed no signs of hostility until Yujo posted he sealed her.

4/10 - No frozen analogy
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 13, 2015, 05:29:40 AM
Man I have read this topic. I swear. Okay, I lied. I read most of it. I read enough. Masane is totes dead, though. Like, I see how some people are trying to argue this, but come on she willingly let him in his house and showed no signs of hostility until Yujo posted he sealed her.

4/10 - No frozen analogy

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Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Becquerel on September 13, 2015, 05:51:48 AM
I too agree that Masane is defeated. But the problem I feel here is the reluctance to lose. We can't win them all, but even if you lose you can just think up an RP to bring your character back. Or just pull the whole mysterious return a lot later covered in scars, half-machine, and garbed in black like Anakin did. There's plenty of options, but so many people are too uptight to explore them.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Keito Uzumaki on September 13, 2015, 05:54:00 AM
Ichirou's character, from what I gathered, answered with a "nod", which in RL circumstances would suggest that he agreed with the last possibility rather than the first. He never differentiated to be sure, but since he bought everything else IC, we presume he accepted the hands of the shinigami thing?

However, all of Yujo'ss actions are actions. Things that his storytelling say that his character did. All of that ritual-stuff to make the thing believable was no literal illusion.

And for the record, Masane in her previous post did as instructed and placed her hand in Yujo's. Unless you wanna argue she gets all tensy, in which case she would draw back, maybe, but I don't think going just off of the very last post would give Masane wiggle room to claim her hand never made contact. Rather, not allowing the pressing of her hand maybe, but contact is contact if my encounter with the jutsu is accurate (in that this is the same fuinjutsu).
I too agree that Masane is defeated. But the problem I feel here is the reluctance to lose. We can't win them all, but even if you lose you can just think up an RP to bring your character back. Or just pull the whole mysterious return a lot later covered in scars, half-machine, and garbed in black like Anakin did. There's plenty of options, but so many people are too uptight to explore them.
OOC lying is not meta gaming. It is a war tatic that had been around sense the beginning of SL.

You newer players may do well in takin up a history lesson on the subject of clan wars and such.

Should this rp be void? No. I don't see any grounds of it.

Do you have a chance to counter? Yes, but keep in mind that you must watch yourself as to not mess up. The wrong wording here could cause your counter to fail.

I wish you the best of luck with your counter. However I must also complement Yujo on using such an old trick.
@kage I understand it's lore that's twisted... But they never questioned it... That's the main problem they were fine with it all the way until it backfired even though they knew it was impossible.... The fact that you didn't even call it into question until after he was supposedly sucking up Masane... Is sort of bias.... Now hold on before you get unto bash Bryan with a hammer moment I'm just giving my opinion as you know I've agreed with a few things with you before but in this case it's just honestly unfair to just say let's void it... If you or anyone.. Chooses to ignore rules or correct descriptions of techniques to further there gain but then be disappointed when it doesn't work out... Well that's honestly karma... Now for all I know you just didn't see it till then and then said something (completely understandable) but the 3 people who were rping had already agreed and proceed with the rp until true ties were shown can't just be ignored.... Look at what happened when a situation like this happened earlier (Neala and Eric) thought it was random the Rp continued... Only in this case it's worse because they knew the technique wasn't right and didn't voice it.
Assumed constant active Sharingan? Seriously? Because most people have it on all the time so we can assume she does too?

WHAT?

shall we add retropost to metagame now? <---- There is an example Becquerel.

 This constant activated state does take minimal chakra to keep going...for how long now? In a sleep deprived state. Uber chakra pool hax. Anyway...Someone hangs out around me with the Sharingan activated I tell them to stop violating me and consider it an act of aggression, no different than unsheathing their sword in my office. I call them out on it and tell them to turn it off. So why...in a non-combat situation would/can we assume she had hers on? I didn't see that stated in the prior rp.

oy. Have fun with this one folks.

Moenkopi Out!


Alright, here's my two cents. Since I'm affiliated with Uzu, I'm obviously going to be biased, but I'll try to be impartial as can be. Before I begin, let me preface a few things.

Yujo is a jerk and an asshole.

Is this true? Holy crap, yes. But is it against the rules? No.

Here's the thing: You gave your full, undivided, trust to this man. And like the jerk he is, he did this huge swerve at the last second and turned out to be evil.

Guess who did that also? Prince Hans from Frozen.

Masane, I'm sorry to tell you this, but you're Anna. You gave your trust to Prince Hans...but in the end, he, or Yujo, turned on you.

You can dissect Yujo's rp down to the very word, even syllable, but you have to own up to the fact he abused that trust; the trust that YOU gave him.


Man I have read this topic. I swear. Okay, I lied. I read most of it. I read enough. Masane is totes dead, though. Like, I see how some people are trying to argue this, but come on she willingly let him in his house and showed no signs of hostility until Yujo posted he sealed her.
I don't have much else to add but 7 people did well enough, so:


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I do like how she forced his own attack to comply to her own post. The sealing technique and transferring would only take two seconds because Masane is holding Yujo's hand and his hands have the sealing tattoo's. With that being said the sealing DID not take 7 seconds or however long it would take like the manga/anime depicted because that animal was not in the range Masane put herself in. With such in mind she would still succumb to the effect even before she had the ability to think of a counter. Eric was under the same predicament with Rusaku with the same technique. My views are consistent that once possible contact was made and the sealing formula can transpire over to the next person, its basically game over. And well its been game over since Yujo's final post was made. Especially with how gullible Masane played herself out to be.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Kage on September 13, 2015, 07:35:10 AM
Just woke up in the middle of sleep here. So I might miss a few points.

Okay, so even if we accept that she has her sharingan active at every moment in time ever, and if your claim is true that the majority of people with sharingan claim to always have it active as well, then...Why is the activation of the sharingan emoted in most to all fights? Because you don't trust the opponent not to exploit the fact that you didn't have it active. So again, your claims fall short.
I quote myself.
But even then, she did state that her Sharingan was active 24 days ago. She's been in a constant RP state since then. In fact, we're still RPing that this is the same day, over the course of two months, that I've been having these meetings. Ichirou, Masane and others have also been a part of that day, and have even been present in these meetings as well. She never once stated that her Sharingan was deactivated since that time 24 days ago.

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(25d2h) <||||> Uchiha Kage looked over to address Masane, "If you could, please take a look at the sealing pattern on the table behind me. More specifically, it's chakra signature. I've already collected samples of it myself, but having a sensor like you give a few looks at it would be nice." He then turned to [c]
(25d2h) <||||> Uchiha Kage [c] speak to the second visitor of the day, "An alliance with Iwagakure I presume, correct?" A hand would come upon his chin to slightly rub at it, "Elaborate on what the agreements and conditions would be, if you could." he asked.
(24d13h) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane {She nodded and moved over to the table. Her Sharingan analyzed the pattered as well as the chakra it contained. After a few moments she pulled a blank scoll from under her cloak and unrolled it on the table. Inside was a brush and a small vial of ink. Masane began ( c )
(24d13h) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane to copy the patteren onto the scroll as she familiarized heself with the chakra. There was no doubt that it was the same as the one that attacked a while back. If need be she would be able to find the assailant rather easily, provided said person was not hiding behind some ( c )
(24d13h) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane sort of chakra hiding barrier. After copying the seal, Masane would allow the ink to dry. Her ever active eternal Mangekyō would study the chakra signature as she waited for Kage to finish his meeting.}

All that before was not for the point of justifying her Sharingan. It's this part about all this happening continuously in the same day that does. Never was it acknowledged by any of the three parties involved in the RP that a day, week or month had passed.

Man, you are just hung up on him feigning a rebirth technique. He never brought Ichirou back, period.

Honestly though, I cannot wait for a thread to arise where you contradict yourself with this "Benefit of the doubt" You are spouting off about. I got this crap saved now xD

On topic though, I was hoping for a better response from Masane other than “Suddenly this whole interaction was strange and I need to be hesitant of Yujo’s actions.”  Though honestly I don’t know what I would have expected otherwise considering their predicament.

“Metagaming is any strategy, action or method used in a game which transcends a prescribed ruleset, uses external factors to affect the game, or goes beyond the supposed limits or environment set by the game...”

So, for her to suddenly be so cautious of the man she willingly grabbed hands with, let inter her home casually, and even herself wondered what actions she would take to pay him back, is by definition metagaming, and there is /nothing/ to prove me otherwise. Her saying “It was never stated that I trusted him” is really just wrong. Actions speak louder than words in every situation, and every action you had taken up to this point suggested complete and utter trust in Yujo bringing back your brother with little to no consequence (Other than the implied sexual favours she would be performing to pay him back).

Side bar though, how did Ichirou not get mad pissed when he saw that? If my sis said some shit like that even in an RP I would be so upset >.>. 

Now I would like to ask this; How can she differentiate between the two techniques Yujo was using? Because he already had chakra flowing through his hands at the time of the attack for the FAKE resurrection technique (Yes, I’m talking to you Kage). So for her to notice the different fluctuations of chakra, understand that it is a hostile sealing technique, and react accordingly within the “less than 2 second” time frame is a bit of a stretch for me. Not only that, she even mentions that she is doing this RP sleep deprived from her previous missions, and I’m sorry but that does in fact dull reaction time considerably. Want me to go through and pick out all the times people on this forum have said "Sorry, I'm sleep deprived so my post might not make sense."?

But really though, kinds off topic but not at the same time; if sudden moments of clarity that allow you to escape certain death are fought for tooth and nail for by the people of Ame, I cannot wait to go there and understand every aspect of their movesets through various epiphanies after each attack /and/ have it be completely legit.
But he didn't feign it. They literally RPed that Ichirou was brought back to life. I had a problem with that, but the rest of the community didn't seem to. So know we're playing that Yujo really does have the power to bring people back to life. Or grab any deceased person's soul at any time for whatever else.

And I'm still very salty about what meta-gaming is defined as here, because tons of external factors effect what our characters do, whether we like it or not. I understand that there's a trust thing which was taken advantage of in RP, and what's being contested is the sudden turn in trust and attack by Masane. But at least she did give some reason as to why she attempted to blow Yujo's arm off, since she recognized that a Fuinjutsu had attempted to be used on her. As an Uzumaki, she has some background with fuinjutsu, as all Uzumaki usually state sometime in their lives. Like a Senju knowing stuff about how to handle some thick wood. Or a Uchiha recognizing some of the common abilities of the Sharingan. Chakra-transference and sealing is something that should be easily differentiated anyways. But let's move deeper into another big thing here.

The hands and trust: It's one thing for a chick to place her hand against a dude's. But it becomes an entirely different ball-game when the dude tries to interlock their fingers together. I hope that some of you understand this, because if a chick doesn't like that, there are varying degrees of responses of what a chick might do if she doesn't like that at all. Some might go "Oh nah, I'm not that into you." or some might even insist that you're trying to rape their hand. One would hope that they only get a verbal retaliation, and not a physical one. It's obvious that Masane didn't like this. She didn't care that her brother was near her or in the way of it, she just wanted to blast the dude's arm off (like I'm sure any chick would love to do if they felt that they were touched in appropriately or being sped-along too quickly by a dude.) Point is, it's a real turn-off, and some trust points will definitely plummet.

It's a shame that I even had to delve into the subject of a dude trying to interlock his fingers with a chick, and how it differentiates between that, and just putting hands against each other. I didn't realize that some people could not catch onto this sooner. Either chivalry is dead, or we have more hyper-virgins than Japan. It's possibly both.

tl;dr - Just because Yujo wants to, doesn't mean that Masane does.

Man I have read this topic. I swear. Okay, I lied. I read most of it. I read enough. Masane is totes dead, though. Like, I see how some people are trying to argue this, but come on she willingly let him in his house and showed no signs of hostility until Yujo posted he sealed her.
Refer to my lesson on hands. One thing to invite/allow a person into your home, it's another if the guest is trying interlock fingers so soon. Sometimes the latter is a tell-tale sign of imminent rape by some creepy dude.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Genesis on September 13, 2015, 08:00:34 AM
Umm, I think my frozen analogy is more relevant than your rape analogy....
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Deathstroke on September 13, 2015, 08:03:51 AM
Umm, I think my frozen analogy is more relevant than your rape analogy....

This is getting a little deep for me. I think we're going to need to make another topic to explain all the analogies before this topic can be continued any further.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Kage on September 13, 2015, 08:08:05 AM
Umm, I think my frozen analogy is more relevant than your rape analogy....

This is getting a little deep for me. I think we're going to need to make another topic to explain all the analogies before this topic can be continued any further.
Frozen Game of Thrones. Let your imagination go wherever it likes with that.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Eric on September 13, 2015, 08:21:41 AM
My position on the subject on whole:

If it's not one thing, it's another it seems.  :-? Let me go on the record saying that I do not approve of the title of the thread.  :cry:

Moving on though to more pressing matters:

OOC lying is not meta gaming. It is a war tatic that had been around sense the beginning of SL.

You newer players may do well in takin up a history lesson on the subject of clan wars and such...

It is a general tactic to not be entirely truthful in OOC situations, but  from where I sit, it doesn't seem like the main crux of the problem.

The main crux of the problem seems to be that a seemingly  nonsensical situation (portion of a soul being in Shinigami and Edo Tensei?) has turned sour and is now entirely being called into question. If things would have went on without a hitch, and someone questioned Ichirou's method of revival, a case could be made that he should not have been brought back to life from the get-go.

But we haven't gotten to that stage. The stage we are at is a little further back where the future takes a most unexpected turn; rather than being revived, Ichirou's Edo is released, and both Masane and Ichirou are subsequently motioned to be sealed into the palms of Yujo. It is at this juncture that treachary inspires questioning.

Akin to Trev's Epheremeal usage against Bocchiere, generally when tricks of this nature are used, elaboration that it is a trick has become a relative norm, and failure to do so tends to revert to reposts and voids (since you can claim that you did it post-action without having actually prepped it) so in the case of a randomly exploding kunai supposedly tagged the previous turned with a special technique formula, I would have to call bs on that alone.

And yet, as Murc put it, had there not been a betrayal at all, I think it is safe to assume that Ichirou would breathe life, Masane would be thrilled to have her brother back, and Yujo would be asking for payment. It's a matter of misinformation that begs the question of how the illusion was created in the first place. If it were genjutsu I am fairly sure that the two would have noticed something amiss and acted; it would be character control to assume that they wouldn't.

However, I doubt it is genjutsu:

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... Though there was an issue here, Yujo had just met these people, why would an Uzumaki make such sacrifice for someone not sharing his blood? Correct answer happened to be, he wasn't. If anyone knew Yujo personally it would not have gone down this way, but the so called wonder twins did not. The tattoos on his hands that rested within Masanes came to life in the form of the Uzumaki Sealing technique, and when the technique was used at such close range, by a user of such mastery, there was no escape to be had. Within the time span of less than 2 seconds would Masane find herself sucked inside of the inscriptions that made up the tattoos on his arm, and forever trapped within them. Considering the amount of trust she had in Yujo, one could doubt that there was much reaction to be had from her, which would make trust the factor that would seal their fate. Once completed, Yujo would simply use another seal to capture Ichirou before any shenanigans were to be had, if any. If all went successfully, he would sealed Masane sealed within his right palm, and ichi in his left.

All of it seems to be real as far as jutsu goes, meaning that the only deception was the ultimate goal of what was going to be done with all of that jutsu before. It is not typed as smoke and mirrors (an illusion) it is typed as reality (the spilling of the souls, the summoning of shinigami, etc.). Him saying that it surely was Ichirou's soul does make a difference in meaning. Could suggests that it might not be (which is the reality if all is to be believed here) but surely strongely implies that it does.

Kage's main disagreements stem there, that being his reasoning for declaring a void. His likely justification for having the power to do such being that:

A) This is not a biju fight or anything of that sort, so the following has some bearing in the manner.

B) The village in-game rules, according to the wikia, are that mainstream RPers who RP within Amegakure must abide by the decisions made by higher-ups, and that if issues concerning said decision come up they are to bring it to their (his) attention directly (which I presume wasn't done based on Kage's first post on the topic mentioning his reasons for unlocking the original topic).

I am unsure of how Kage would have reacted had there not been any betrayal involved, but based on his post in the original topic:

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8558.msg223892.html#msg223892

Specifically:

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... Here's what irks me about the RP. Yujo takes liberties in adjusting the lore to his own needs so he can use an OP revival technique that outmatches Edo Tensei and Rinne Tensei...

He is likely to have objected even if it had been a success. The "change in lore" does not become smoke and mirrors at all from what has been posted. At no point does he go, "Haha, none of that really took place, you fools got fooled". From what has been brought here to the forum, everything he did happened, and trust and deception ultimately brought about the downfall of the twins.

I thus have to object to the notion that, "People lie all the time on here, totally legit strategy" when not even after betraying them he bothered to make mention that it was all a visual trick, to falsify his earlier statements and assertions.

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...Eric was under the same predicament with Rusaku with the same technique...

Technically, no. I did a counter (or two, the fight is still here on the forum), which failed, while he was attempting to attack me. This is Masane's first attempt at a counter.

More to the challenge, however:

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...At the end of the day, nobody defending their position can explain why not she does not trust Yujo now...

Sharingan thing aside, Uzumaki robes, tattoos on the arms, an "unecessary" gesture that could activate a fuinjutsu that Masane is presumably famaliar with, I imagine that would cause a glimmer of distrust.

What's more important though, is that you can't expect someone to react to a threat to their person until they know about it. If knowing the danger is possible with the character's outfit (background, powers, etc.) but it is supposedly sprung on them as a surprise because the attacker made no mention of it in the RP until the very last second, retroposting to justify the dodge is almost inevitable, especially in scenarios like this.

That's why in official RPs (biju fights) you are supposed to elaborate on details, even ones like that. Being "sneaky" is a matter of the other character genuinely having no way of knowing about it, something determined by the character's abilities, not by the omission of mention in the OOC posting environment.

The point of this second part is that you might complain that Masane is only now reacting to the attack, but there was nothing to react to until this turn rotation. Of course it is only now that she is going to react because only now does she know that there is a threat, a threat that her character seems to have the ability to detect and potentially react to.

Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Rusaku on September 13, 2015, 08:28:42 AM
My position on the subject on whole:

If it's not one thing, it's another it seems.  :-? Let me go on the record saying that I do not approve of the title of the thread.  :cry:

Moving on though to more pressing matters:

OOC lying is not meta gaming. It is a war tatic that had been around sense the beginning of SL.

You newer players may do well in takin up a history lesson on the subject of clan wars and such...

It is a general tactic to not be entirely truthful in OOC situations, but  from where I sit, it doesn't seem like the main crux of the problem.

The main crux of the problem seems to be that a seemingly  nonsensical situation (portion of a soul being in Shinigami and Edo Tensei?) has turned sour and is now entirely being called into question. If things would have went on without a hitch, and someone questioned Ichirou's method of revival, a case could be made that he should not have been brought back to life from the get-go.

But we haven't gotten to that stage. The stage we are at is a little further back where the future takes a most unexpected turn; rather than being revived, Ichirou's Edo is released, and both Masane and Ichirou are subsequently motioned to be sealed into the palms of Yujo. It is at this juncture that treachary inspires questioning.

Akin to Trev's Epheremeal usage against Bocchiere, generally when tricks of this nature are used, elaboration that it is a trick has become a relative norm, and failure to do so tends to revert to reposts and voids (since you can claim that you did it post-action without having actually prepped it) so in the case of a randomly exploding kunai supposedly tagged the previous turned with a special technique formula, I would have to call bs on that alone.

And yet, as Murc put it, had there not been a betrayal at all, I think it is safe to assume that Ichirou would breathe life, Masane would be thrilled to have her brother back, and Yujo would be asking for payment. It's a matter of misinformation that begs the question of how the illusion was created in the first place. If it were genjutsu I am fairly sure that the two would have noticed something amiss and acted; it would be character control to assume that they wouldn't.

However, I doubt it is genjutsu:

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... Though there was an issue here, Yujo had just met these people, why would an Uzumaki make such sacrifice for someone not sharing his blood? Correct answer happened to be, he wasn't. If anyone knew Yujo personally it would not have gone down this way, but the so called wonder twins did not. The tattoos on his hands that rested within Masanes came to life in the form of the Uzumaki Sealing technique, and when the technique was used at such close range, by a user of such mastery, there was no escape to be had. Within the time span of less than 2 seconds would Masane find herself sucked inside of the inscriptions that made up the tattoos on his arm, and forever trapped within them. Considering the amount of trust she had in Yujo, one could doubt that there was much reaction to be had from her, which would make trust the factor that would seal their fate. Once completed, Yujo would simply use another seal to capture Ichirou before any shenanigans were to be had, if any. If all went successfully, he would sealed Masane sealed within his right palm, and ichi in his left.

All of it seems to be real as far as jutsu goes, meaning that the only deception was the ultimate goal of what was going to be done with all of that jutsu before. It is not typed as smoke and mirrors (an illusion) it is typed as reality (the spilling of the souls, the summoning of shinigami, etc.). Him saying that it surely was Ichirou's soul does make a difference in meaning. Could suggests that it might not be (which is the reality if all is to be believed here) but surely strongely implies that it does.

Kage's main disagreements stem there, that being his reasoning for declaring a void. His likely justification for having the power to do such being that:

A) This is not a biju fight or anything of that sort, so the following has some bearing in the manner.

B) The village in-game rules, according to the wikia, are that mainstream RPers who RP within Amegakure must abide by the decisions made by higher-ups, and that if issues concerning said decision come up they are to bring it to their (his) attention directly (which I presume wasn't done based on Kage's first post on the topic mentioning his reasons for unlocking the original topic).

I am unsure of how Kage would have reacted had there not been any betrayal involved, but based on his post in the original topic:

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8558.msg223892.html#msg223892

Specifically:

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... Here's what irks me about the RP. Yujo takes liberties in adjusting the lore to his own needs so he can use an OP revival technique that outmatches Edo Tensei and Rinne Tensei...

He is likely to have objected even if it had been a success. The "change in lore" does not become smoke and mirrors at all from what has been posted. At no point does he go, "Haha, none of that really took place, you fools got fooled". From what has been brought here to the forum, everything he did happened, and trust and deception ultimately brought about the downfall of the twins.

I thus have to object to the notion that, "People lie all the time on here, totally legit strategy" when not even after betraying them he bothered to make mention that it was all a visual trick, to falsify his earlier statements and assertions.

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...Eric was under the same predicament with Rusaku with the same technique...

Technically, no. I did a counter (or two, the fight is still here on the forum), which failed, while he was attempting to attack me. This is Masane's first attempt at a counter.

More to the challenge, however:

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...At the end of the day, nobody defending their position can explain why not she does not trust Yujo now...

Sharingan thing aside, Uzumaki robes, tattoos on the arms, an "unecessary" gesture that could activate a fuinjutsu that Masane is presumably famaliar with, I imagine that would cause a glimmer of distrust.

What's more important though, is that you can't expect someone to react to a threat to their person until they know about it. If knowing the danger is possible with the character's outfit (background, powers, etc.) but it is supposedly sprung on them as a surprise because the attacker made no mention of it in the RP until the very last second, retroposting to justify the dodge is almost inevitable, especially in scenarios like this.

That's why in official RPs (biju fights) you are supposed to elaborate on details, even ones like that. Being "sneaky" is a matter of the other character genuinely having no way of knowing about it, something determined by the character's abilities, not by the omission of mention in the OOC posting environment.

The point of this second part is that you might complain that Masane is only now reacting to the attack, but there was nothing to react to until this turn rotation. Of course it is only now that she is going to react because only now does she know that there is a threat, a threat that her character seems to have the ability to detect and potentially react to.

Problem is, all of the details were there for them to realize it was fishy from the very beginning. They just didn't. 
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Eric on September 13, 2015, 08:42:19 AM
Problem is, all of the details were there for them to realize it was fishy from the very beginning. They just didn't...

Fishy? Sure. Life-threatening that you need to be kicked out and rejected when so badly they want this? I think not. Again, while Yujo spoke BS, his actions were not falsified at any point even at the great reveal. The argument that it is all smoke and mirrors does not hold water either. Therefore, nothing so suspect as to garner this aggressive reaction occured until the attack on Masane and Ichirou.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Genesis on September 13, 2015, 04:43:29 PM
So are you guys denying how meta gamey the post is? Just answer that part...
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Becquerel on September 13, 2015, 05:42:13 PM
I just think that whoever wins, we all lose considering we collectively escalated this into what it is.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 13, 2015, 05:56:12 PM
At this point it's Eric/Kage Vs EVERYONE else. When does the majority rule come into play? Because at this point, they are going to argue every single contingency, discrepancy, detail,wording and BS they can find until the cows come home, have babies, get slaughtered, and are made into a delicious BBQ treat.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Keito Uzumaki on September 13, 2015, 07:10:21 PM
This is why the SL Forum Community is looked down upon. You guys will argue for absolutely no reason. You guys realize in a couple of years this headache will be a time-waster? I'm glad I'm not being serious on this topic because its not a serious topic xD Masane, the ignoramus that she is IC allowed Yujo to do everything he did, luring her up until the final moment. Once the gun was loaded and safety was off, she magically claimed to pull some matrix shit, within seconds. Your brain doesn't think of things that quickly, hell half of you guys have to type your posts in notepad or whatever before you can copy and paste it onto the boards to your suited and desired needs. That alone shows, that it takes a while for you to compose your own thoughts clearly. So in 2 seconds after willingly taking his hand, Masane knew everything? GTFOH with that BS.

But even then, she did state that her Sharingan was active 24 days ago. She's been in a constant RP state since then. In fact, we're still RPing that this is the same day, over the course of two months, that I've been having these meetings. Ichirou, Masane and others have also been a part of that day, and have even been present in these meetings as well. She never once stated that her Sharingan was deactivated since that time 24 days ago.

If you wanna view this like a damned biju match, MAsane never stated her sharingan was active up until now during their whole encounter. You just told me that I can go ahead and activate Sage Mode, Tailed Beast Mode, whatever the hell else before hand (roughly one month ago) and simply walts through into other people's RPs and interupt them like so? Without having to state the massive power upgrades and expect them to follow through with my claims and just go with it? No they're gonna void me out the ass! She made countless of remarks to her grogginess, her own features and his but NEVER and I mean NEVER did she state her Sharingan was active during their RP up until it was necessary to get an ass pull. You don't trust strangers and well Masane did and now we see why. Theres no going back from that.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Eric on September 13, 2015, 07:39:27 PM
This is why the SL Forum Community is looked down upon. You guys will argue for absolutely no reason...

Last time I checked a discussion is why this matter was brought here in the first place. If a discussion with some dissent was not desired, the RP should have been kept where it belongs: the clan halls of Amegakure.

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...That alone shows, that it takes a while for you to compose your own thoughts clearly. So in 2 seconds after willingly taking his hand, Masane knew everything? GTFOH with that BS...

Where have you been? That happens fairly frequently in SL RP. Near instant reactions after figuring things out in fairly short time frames, though usually said reactions are reactions, not planned out counter-attacks (the difference is amount of thought put into each).

At this point it's Eric/Kage Vs EVERYONE else. When does the majority rule come into play? Because at this point, they are going to argue every single contingency, discrepancy, detail,wording and BS they can find until the cows come home, have babies, get slaughtered, and are made into a delicious BBQ treat.

I think you forgot the part where the babies are sent to pasture, come home, have babies, get slaughtered, and are made into a fast food heart-stopper.  8)

Anyways, presuming the majority of commenters are on your side of this, then why the intensity? You should know by now there is not going to be some wave of posts saying, "It's done, yall can stop discussing now". Normally in a non-biju situation the RPers involved either give in to majority rules or go RP their own continuity where they void the encounter or the results.

Presuming that Masane is not going to back down from her position at this point, then you can declare her dead in your world, you move on, she declares you dead in her world, and moves on and whichever is more accepted will ultimately carry the day. Just don't RP with each other again until you're ready to sort out the wrinkle in time (if ever for that matter).
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 13, 2015, 07:52:00 PM
This is why the SL Forum Community is looked down upon. You guys will argue for absolutely no reason...

Last time I checked a discussion is why this matter was brought here in the first place. If a discussion with some dissent was not desired, the RP should have been kept where it belongs: the clan halls of Amegakure.

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...That alone shows, that it takes a while for you to compose your own thoughts clearly. So in 2 seconds after willingly taking his hand, Masane knew everything? GTFOH with that BS...

Where have you been? That happens fairly frequently in SL RP. Near instant reactions after figuring things out in fairly short time frames, though usually said reactions are reactions, not planned out counter-attacks (the difference is amount of thought put into each).

At this point it's Eric/Kage Vs EVERYONE else. When does the majority rule come into play? Because at this point, they are going to argue every single contingency, discrepancy, detail,wording and BS they can find until the cows come home, have babies, get slaughtered, and are made into a delicious BBQ treat.

I think you forgot the part where the babies are sent to pasture, come home, have babies, get slaughtered, and are made into a fast food heart-stopper.  8)

Anyways, presuming the majority of commenters are on your side of this, then why the intensity? You should know by now there is not going to be some wave of posts saying, "It's done, yall can stop discussing now". Normally in a non-biju situation the RPers involved either give in to majority rules or go RP their own continuity where they void the encounter or the results.

Presuming that Masane is not going to back down from her position at this point, then you can declare her dead in your world, you move on, she declares you dead in her world, and moves on and whichever is more accepted will ultimately carry the day. Just don't RP with each other again until you're ready to sort out the wrinkle in time (if ever for that matter).

That's all fine and dandy, except for the RP'ers involved haven't even posted on the thread since the defense post was being disputed. Masane and Ichirou haven't come to their own defense. I am the only person of the three RP'ers directly involved who has argued for or against a position since the day the thread was created, for what reason I do not know. But you and Kage are the only ones advocating their existence.

Then there comes the issue that I believe to be the driving force of this thread for the opposition, and that is the fact that Ichirou has the Gyuki currently, so if their deaths are accepted into RP, Ame will lose the Bijuu and I get to walk away fresh as a daisy. So if we were to explore the option of splitting up and never Rp'ing with eachother again that will create a rather nasty loop where they are claiming the Gyuki, along with my claim, which as we all know is going to cause more issue than necessary.

There are no compromises to be made, it is either they are dead, or not. And at this point more people have sided with the death side than not; Keito so graciously did a count for us, and I think it's like 7-2. I'll go look through the threads and check.

PS: Do not claim that this issue spawns because of the Bijuu to further your argument to void them >_>
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Deathstroke on September 13, 2015, 07:59:22 PM
Just let them get killed so Ame can declare war on Uzu. War economy is a good economy for me.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 13, 2015, 08:00:43 PM
Just let them get killed so Ame can declare war on Uzu. War economy is a good economy for me.

We'll work out your contract as soon as this is over.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Eric on September 13, 2015, 08:01:01 PM

... Then there comes the issue that I believe to be the driving force of this thread for the opposition, and that is the fact that Ichirou has the Gyuki currently, so if their deaths are accepted into RP, Ame will lose the Bijuu and I get to walk away fresh as a daisy. So if we were to explore the option of splitting up and never Rp'ing with eachother again that will create a rather nasty loop where they are claiming the Gyuki, along with my claim, which as we all know is going to cause more issue than necessary.

There are no compromises to be made, it is either they are dead, or not. And at this point more people have sided with the death side than not; Keito so graciously did a count for us, and I think it's like 7-2. I'll go look through the threads and check.

PS: Do not claim that this issue spawns because of the Bijuu to further your argument to void them >_>

That's impossible, Ichirou is dead (that's the premise for them coming to you in the first place right?). Unless he is using it as a summon (which you wouldn't have access to anyways just because you sealed him) then there is no reason he should be the current holder of the 8-tails. I don't recall it ever being fine for an Edo Tensei to host a tailed beast (even though a brief look at the rules don't explicitly forbid it).

And if there were no biju involved you two could just go off in your own little worlds and have never needed to bring it here in the first place. So I could totally still use this as a reasoning to get rid of the stupid beasts. >_>

When was Ichirou made the host of the 8-tails?
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 13, 2015, 08:05:32 PM

... Then there comes the issue that I believe to be the driving force of this thread for the opposition, and that is the fact that Ichirou has the Gyuki currently, so if their deaths are accepted into RP, Ame will lose the Bijuu and I get to walk away fresh as a daisy. So if we were to explore the option of splitting up and never Rp'ing with eachother again that will create a rather nasty loop where they are claiming the Gyuki, along with my claim, which as we all know is going to cause more issue than necessary.

There are no compromises to be made, it is either they are dead, or not. And at this point more people have sided with the death side than not; Keito so graciously did a count for us, and I think it's like 7-2. I'll go look through the threads and check.

PS: Do not claim that this issue spawns because of the Bijuu to further your argument to void them >_>

That's impossible, Ichirou is dead (that's the premise for them coming to you in the first place right?). Unless he is using it as a summon (which you wouldn't have access to anyways just because you sealed him) then there is no reason he should be the current holder of the 8-tails. I don't recall it ever being fine for an Edo Tensei to host a tailed beast (even though a brief look at the rules don't explicitly forbid it).

And if there were no biju involved you two could just go off in your own little worlds and have never needed to bring it here in the first place. So I could totally still use this as a reasoning to get rid of the stupid beasts. >_>

When was Ichirou made the host of the 8-tails?

I never said he was the host >_> And if I did, Totes apologizing. He in fact has the Beasty sealed by Summoning contract shenanigans. So even if he was dead, the sealing contract is still written.

"ºDeath of Summonerº
If the summoner dies while the bijū is unsummoned and located in inaccessible territory (such as a pocket dimension), it will re-spawn within a week's time where the summoner was slain"

Unless they are going to claim some nonsense, even this is easily worked around, considering how many Edo users there are nowadays, so with a simple Edo of ichirou, have him summon the Gyuki and I take control. It's pretty simple.

And Summoning contracts as far as I am aware, don't just disappear upon death, not even with SL rules. Just look at all the Edo's summoned in the Canon Naruto that still had summoning contracts with stuff.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Deathstroke on September 13, 2015, 08:11:50 PM
Yeah he would still have a summoning contract. Madara tried to summon the 9 tails when he was Edo Tensei'd. It only failed because it was sealed in Naruto.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Eric on September 13, 2015, 08:12:14 PM

... Then there comes the issue that I believe to be the driving force of this thread for the opposition, and that is the fact that Ichirou has the Gyuki currently, so if their deaths are accepted into RP, Ame will lose the Bijuu and I get to walk away fresh as a daisy. So if we were to explore the option of splitting up and never Rp'ing with eachother again that will create a rather nasty loop where they are claiming the Gyuki, along with my claim, which as we all know is going to cause more issue than necessary.

There are no compromises to be made, it is either they are dead, or not. And at this point more people have sided with the death side than not; Keito so graciously did a count for us, and I think it's like 7-2. I'll go look through the threads and check.

PS: Do not claim that this issue spawns because of the Bijuu to further your argument to void them >_>

That's impossible, Ichirou is dead (that's the premise for them coming to you in the first place right?). Unless he is using it as a summon (which you wouldn't have access to anyways just because you sealed him) then there is no reason he should be the current holder of the 8-tails. I don't recall it ever being fine for an Edo Tensei to host a tailed beast (even though a brief look at the rules don't explicitly forbid it).

And if there were no biju involved you two could just go off in your own little worlds and have never needed to bring it here in the first place. So I could totally still use this as a reasoning to get rid of the stupid beasts. >_>

When was Ichirou made the host of the 8-tails?

I never said he was the host >_> And if I did, Totes apologizing. He in fact has the Beasty sealed by Summoning contract shenanigans. So even if he was dead, the sealing contract is still written.

"ºDeath of Summonerº
If the summoner dies while the bijū is unsummoned and located in inaccessible territory (such as a pocket dimension), it will re-spawn within a week's time where the summoner was slain"

Unless they are going to claim some nonsense, even this is easily worked around, considering how many Edo users there are nowadays, so with a simple Edo of ichirou, have him summon the Gyuki and I take control. It's pretty simple.

And Summoning contracts as far as I am aware, don't just disappear upon death, not even with SL rules. Just look at all the Edo's summoned in the Canon Naruto that still had summoning contracts with stuff.

Then what's the problem? Unlike Masane I do not see Ichirou having much room to do much of anything to prevent you from sealing him at this point, unless he can take control of his own soul (and even then the odds are not good). Regardless of Masane, as long as you are not dead (which I personally don't see happening with what has so far occured) then the biju matter is shelved.

It will respawn where the summoner died (the site of Edo Tensei release) if it was located somewhere inaccessible, regardless of whether Masane can avoid being sealed because Ichirou's Edo Tensei was released. A free soul is not a living being.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 13, 2015, 08:21:06 PM

... Then there comes the issue that I believe to be the driving force of this thread for the opposition, and that is the fact that Ichirou has the Gyuki currently, so if their deaths are accepted into RP, Ame will lose the Bijuu and I get to walk away fresh as a daisy. So if we were to explore the option of splitting up and never Rp'ing with eachother again that will create a rather nasty loop where they are claiming the Gyuki, along with my claim, which as we all know is going to cause more issue than necessary.

There are no compromises to be made, it is either they are dead, or not. And at this point more people have sided with the death side than not; Keito so graciously did a count for us, and I think it's like 7-2. I'll go look through the threads and check.

PS: Do not claim that this issue spawns because of the Bijuu to further your argument to void them >_>

That's impossible, Ichirou is dead (that's the premise for them coming to you in the first place right?). Unless he is using it as a summon (which you wouldn't have access to anyways just because you sealed him) then there is no reason he should be the current holder of the 8-tails. I don't recall it ever being fine for an Edo Tensei to host a tailed beast (even though a brief look at the rules don't explicitly forbid it).

And if there were no biju involved you two could just go off in your own little worlds and have never needed to bring it here in the first place. So I could totally still use this as a reasoning to get rid of the stupid beasts. >_>

When was Ichirou made the host of the 8-tails?

I never said he was the host >_> And if I did, Totes apologizing. He in fact has the Beasty sealed by Summoning contract shenanigans. So even if he was dead, the sealing contract is still written.

"ºDeath of Summonerº
If the summoner dies while the bijū is unsummoned and located in inaccessible territory (such as a pocket dimension), it will re-spawn within a week's time where the summoner was slain"

Unless they are going to claim some nonsense, even this is easily worked around, considering how many Edo users there are nowadays, so with a simple Edo of ichirou, have him summon the Gyuki and I take control. It's pretty simple.

And Summoning contracts as far as I am aware, don't just disappear upon death, not even with SL rules. Just look at all the Edo's summoned in the Canon Naruto that still had summoning contracts with stuff.

Then what's the problem? Unlike Masane I do not see Ichirou having much room to do much of anything to prevent you from sealing him at this point, unless he can take control of his own soul (and even then the odds are not good). Regardless of Masane, as long as you are not dead (which I personally don't see happening with what has so far occured) then the biju matter is shelved.

It will respawn where the summoner died (the site of Edo Tensei release) if it was located somewhere inaccessible, regardless of whether Masane can avoid being sealed because Ichirou's Edo Tensei was released. A free soul is not a living being.

Glad we agree on a few points.

Now back to Masane.

Unless someone from the opposing side comes up with an argument that isn't a rehashed post stating she can just up and claim magical knowledge and suspicion, because of Ninja Magic, then I am going to take a final Poll and close this thing.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Keito Uzumaki on September 13, 2015, 08:27:24 PM
We're talking about a sequence of IC ROLE PLAY. NOT A BIJUU MATCH. There is nothing to be discussed other than what happened, not what would happen, could happen, or might happen if it snows tomorrow. STOP with the implications, suggestions, theories, examples, metaphors, slander, everything. By the way my CAPS are not our of anger but to emphasize the words being used.

If you want to view this like a zone match/bijuu match;
Yujo reaches out for Masane's hand to fulfill his ultimate goal of the Uzu Sealing Techinque. (1 attack 0 defense)
Masane accepts and places her hand into Yujo's (0 attack 0 defense)
Yujo utilizes UZU Sealing Tech once hand contact was made and interlocks fingers to further hold onto hand (1 attack 0 defense)
Masane suddenly has the Sharingan active this whole time, finally realized this guy was an Uzumaki from Uzushiogakure without him actually saying such, finally realized she was scammed and that his intentions were evil, was able to come up with a technique before the sealing technique transferred over and blast him to bits because of course she is based god. (lol no wtf)

Meanwhile, if the Sharingan WAS indeed active, she would be able to tell Yujo's Shinigami antics was a scam. Ichirou was already an edo tensei meaning his soul was in the rotten body! Not in the belly and OOCly Yujo told me he pulled a 'soul' out from the Shinigami not specifically Ichirous to make it all worthwhile and keep the show rolling. Masane got played like a fiddle and now she's complaining cuz she's rusty. Hah, rusty fiddle. I make myself laugh.

Now the discussion being made on whether or not MAsane could indeed escape the way she did. And before I fall off my rolly chair in laughter that, that post was plausible I will just go out to say it, there was more meta-game/retro-posting in that than I have seen in a while. It was all too 'surreal' for the most gullible person in this situation to know it 'all'. I'm sorry, I don't care what MASANE is, she acted dumb this whole time ICly. I'm not disrespecting the key board warrior that controls MAsane when I speak badly about her character, I'm referring to the In-Character choice Masane made to trust Yujo the way she did, until he revealed himself for who he truly is. You guys really are exploiting the possibilities of being cunning and witty through RP and that alone makes RPing on its own highly unpleasant. Its like you have to respect everyone's standards and if you don't you'll be in never ending arguments over nothing but pride and ego. Learn to take a loss when its time to take a loss. This is one of them and you move on and learn from your mistakes. Not, try to hit the undo button any and all ways possible because you realized your mistake. Also only reason I'm so involved now is because I really feel bad for my homeboy Yujo. Gotta show support to the Uzu and also the forum's have screwed him over in more ways than one, specifically with his never ending hunt for the Isobu. I mean legitimately, he won this one and it wasn't even a fight xD
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Eric on September 13, 2015, 08:38:46 PM
"Magical" knowledge? Lol, get out of town Jet, there is nothing magical about that knowledge in practice. There is more magic in your various IC actions than in Masane's IC ability to have knowledge of the imminent danger. 

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...Its like you have to respect everyone's standards and if you don't you'll be in never ending arguments over nothing but pride and ego...

Don't forget morality and principle, but you have pretty much summed up SL RPing, heck, RPing in general, in a nutshell. I have a standard of RP and so do you; when they clash, we would likely clash unless we have enough respect to come to a middle ground or otherwise hash it out.

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...Masane accepts and places her hand into Yujo's (0 attack 0 defense)
Yujo utilizes UZU Sealing Tech once hand contact was made and interlocks fingers to further hold onto hand...

That's pretty retarded, why bother with interlocking fingers at all? If it does nothing to further the technique's usage then it is a needless gesture that can be used to tip off that something is wrong (exactly what's wrong, that cue alone and nothing else, not so much). If your homedog had just stated that he sealed her ass the precise moment (not even a second's worth of time) her hand made contact with his and nothing else, we would not have had to have this discussion.

But he didn't. He said that the whole thing would take, what, 2 seconds? That's enough time SLwise to attempt (even if in failure) a counter.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Kage on September 13, 2015, 08:45:26 PM
Well just to put it out there, you guys had no problem RPing to revive Ichirou with some randomly made-up revival technique.

And this isn't a Tailed Beast match, where it has a definitive start point where you must state what's currently on you and active. While in a village RP, it's kind of a good point to read through what you're jumping into before-hand, because like I said before, Masane has been in a continuous state of RP. It's kinda like this:

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Village Native is currently attempting to take down a large threat in the village that is setting buildings on fire and are causing the people to be in mass panic.
Visitor arrives in the village, where the flowers are blooming and the people are enjoying their day.
Village Native retorts his last post.
Visitor denies and voids anything that contradicts his post.

or

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Village Official goes about in attire different than usual, with something different around them in the air, as if a something was active that they were currently producing.
Visitor waves hello to Village Official, recognizing them from afar after seeing them in their usual outfit. Everything seemed completely normal about them today.

That's all fine and dandy, except for the RP'ers involved haven't even posted on the thread since the defense post was being disputed. Masane and Ichirou haven't come to their own defense. I am the only person of the three RP'ers directly involved who has argued for or against a position since the day the thread was created, for what reason I do not know. But you and Kage are the only ones advocating their existence.

Then there comes the issue that I believe to be the driving force of this thread for the opposition, and that is the fact that Ichirou has the Gyuki currently, so if their deaths are accepted into RP, Ame will lose the Bijuu and I get to walk away fresh as a daisy. So if we were to explore the option of splitting up and never Rp'ing with eachother again that will create a rather nasty loop where they are claiming the Gyuki, along with my claim, which as we all know is going to cause more issue than necessary.

There are no compromises to be made, it is either they are dead, or not. And at this point more people have sided with the death side than not; Keito so graciously did a count for us, and I think it's like 7-2. I'll go look through the threads and check.

PS: Do not claim that this issue spawns because of the Bijuu to further your argument to void them >_>

Because Masane feels that she would be unable to argue for herself while staying composed, I'm representing for her. But maybe the entire other side would have been able to actually present an argument if you weren't so hasty as to lock the thread right when you posted, so it can seem like you won an argument. It's the equivalent to covering your ears so you can sound like you're the one that's right. But then all of a sudden when you feel threatened that she could actually counter, you open the thread right back up. I can't tell if you're quick to judge or scared. But part of taking it to the forums means that BOTH sides get to present themselves.


... Then there comes the issue that I believe to be the driving force of this thread for the opposition, and that is the fact that Ichirou has the Gyuki currently, so if their deaths are accepted into RP, Ame will lose the Bijuu and I get to walk away fresh as a daisy. So if we were to explore the option of splitting up and never Rp'ing with eachother again that will create a rather nasty loop where they are claiming the Gyuki, along with my claim, which as we all know is going to cause more issue than necessary.

There are no compromises to be made, it is either they are dead, or not. And at this point more people have sided with the death side than not; Keito so graciously did a count for us, and I think it's like 7-2. I'll go look through the threads and check.

PS: Do not claim that this issue spawns because of the Bijuu to further your argument to void them >_>

That's impossible, Ichirou is dead (that's the premise for them coming to you in the first place right?). Unless he is using it as a summon (which you wouldn't have access to anyways just because you sealed him) then there is no reason he should be the current holder of the 8-tails. I don't recall it ever being fine for an Edo Tensei to host a tailed beast (even though a brief look at the rules don't explicitly forbid it).

And if there were no biju involved you two could just go off in your own little worlds and have never needed to bring it here in the first place. So I could totally still use this as a reasoning to get rid of the stupid beasts. >_>

When was Ichirou made the host of the 8-tails?
And that's the current situation we're getting to now. Before Yujo decided to pull a 180, it was decided that Ichirou would host the Eight Tails after going through with this resurrection RP. I advised Ichirou that this means of resurrection isn't possible, and so he stepped down to summoning it instead since in the end, a void would keep him an Edo Tensei. According to the Edo Tensei rules, zombies can't become hosts. It's also the reason why I wanted to void this resurrection RP in the first place, since I don't believe the community would think Ichirou's resurrection would be legit. But since you guys want to play it like it is, then he's apparently alive again. Whether or not the community would like to strip him because of a disagreement of his resurrection is another issue.

But this puts the Eight Tails in a limbo here, since Ichirou's preferred method was an IC hunt, but people cannot hunt him down right now because it's impossible to with this RP being on halt. While at the same time, I don't know if that also means that Ichirou actually has a contract with it in the first place, since you need blood to make a contract.

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Summoning_Technique

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Before an animal summoning can be performed, a prospective summoner must first sign a contract with a given species.[4] The contract comes in the form of a scroll, on which the contractor uses their own blood to sign their name and place their fingerprints and once signed it is valid even after the contractors death as long as the contract itself remains intact.

So right now the Eight Tails is either:
- Still in Madara's care
- RP limbo
- In my hands as a summon

We're talking about a sequence of IC ROLE PLAY. NOT A BIJUU MATCH. There is nothing to be discussed other than what happened, not what would happen, could happen, or might happen if it snows tomorrow. STOP with the implications, suggestions, theories, examples, metaphors, slander, everything. By the way my CAPS are not our of anger but to emphasize the words being used.

If you want to view this like a zone match/bijuu match;
Yujo reaches out for Masane's hand to fulfill his ultimate goal of the Uzu Sealing Techinque. (1 attack 0 defense)
Masane accepts and places her hand into Yujo's (0 attack 0 defense)
Yujo utilizes UZU Sealing Tech once hand contact was made and interlocks fingers to further hold onto hand (1 attack 0 defense)
Masane suddenly has the Sharingan active this whole time, finally realized this guy was an Uzumaki from Uzushiogakure without him actually saying such, finally realized she was scammed and that his intentions were evil, was able to come up with a technique before the sealing technique transferred over and blast him to bits because of course she is based god. (lol no wtf)

Meanwhile, if the Sharingan WAS indeed active, she would be able to tell Yujo's Shinigami antics was a scam. Ichirou was already an edo tensei meaning his soul was in the rotten body! Not in the belly and OOCly Yujo told me he pulled a 'soul' out from the Shinigami not specifically Ichirous to make it all worthwhile and keep the show rolling. Masane got played like a fiddle and now she's complaining cuz she's rusty. Hah, rusty fiddle. I make myself laugh.

Now the discussion being made on whether or not MAsane could indeed escape the way she did. And before I fall off my rolly chair in laughter that, that post was plausible I will just go out to say it, there was more meta-game/retro-posting in that than I have seen in a while. It was all too 'surreal' for the most gullible person in this situation to know it 'all'. I'm sorry, I don't care what MASANE is, she acted dumb this whole time ICly. I'm not disrespecting the key board warrior that controls MAsane when I speak badly about her character, I'm referring to the In-Character choice Masane made to trust Yujo the way she did, until he revealed himself for who he truly is. You guys really are exploiting the possibilities of being cunning and witty through RP and that alone makes RPing on its own highly unpleasant. Its like you have to respect everyone's standards and if you don't you'll be in never ending arguments over nothing but pride and ego. Learn to take a loss when its time to take a loss. This is one of them and you move on and learn from your mistakes. Not, try to hit the undo button any and all ways possible because you realized your mistake. Also only reason I'm so involved now is because I really feel bad for my homeboy Yujo. Gotta show support to the Uzu and also the forum's have screwed him over in more ways than one, specifically with his never ending hunt for the Isobu. I mean legitimately, he won this one and it wasn't even a fight xD
But Yujo never gave any indication that it was an illusion at all. Usually if you want to cast a genjutsu, you need to give indication that it was attempted in the first place, either by clever word-play or explicitly stating it.He played it like it was real, even up to the point of stating in his post that Ichirou took his first breaths of life again. There's all this talk of retro-posting, when Yujo attempting just that in the first place, without the posting part.

And just to repeat myself again, the Uzumaki Sealing Technique takes 6-7 seconds to activate the "sealing-sucking-in" part of it. Even by a skilled Uzumaki fuinjutsu master. That's more than enough ample time for any Uchiha with a Sharingan to react. Masane doesn't even need to form hand seals, since the Explosion Release: Landmine Fist is instantaneous.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Genesis on September 13, 2015, 08:55:36 PM
that can be used to tip off that something is wrong

Interlocking fingers tips off that something is wrong? Man...perhaps that's why I'm still single right now.

She was LITERALLY in his grasp. But according to you, Masane having this huge enlightenment, within the matter of moments is perfectly legit.

And, what? Uzumaki Sealing Tech takes 6-7 seconds? Where are you pulling these numbers from?

And to say Explosion Release: Landmine Fist is instantaneous is a stretch. You see, you have to do this thing called gathering chakra before performing a jutsu like that. And let me quote you, "Even by a skilled [Explosion release] master."

Like it or not, she got swerved.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Becquerel on September 13, 2015, 08:56:21 PM
But Yujo never gave any indication that it was an illusion at all. Usually if you want to cast a genjutsu, you need to give indication that it was attempted in the first place, either by clever word-play or explicitly stating it.He played it like it was real, even up to the point of stating in his post that Ichirou took his first breaths of life again. There's all this talk of retro-posting, when Yujo attempting just that in the first place, without the posting part.

I don't even care about the result of this thing, but I just wanted to say that real 'magic' follows the same practice of what happened. I figured that Yujo basically pulled a Penn and Teller to trick Masane with sleight of hand. But I don't even know what happened anymore. There was so much potential RP that could have been done during this time, but people had to argue. An illusion doesn't need to be genjutsu, basically is what I'm trying to say. 
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Kage on September 13, 2015, 09:11:07 PM
that can be used to tip off that something is wrong

Interlocking fingers tips off that something is wrong? Man...perhaps that's why I'm still single right now.

She was LITERALLY in his grasp. But according to you, Masane having this huge enlightenment, within the matter of moments is perfectly legit.

And, what? Uzumaki Sealing Tech takes 6-7 seconds? Where are you pulling these numbers from?

And to say Explosion Release: Landmine Fist is instantaneous is a stretch. You see, you have to do this thing called gathering chakra before performing a jutsu like that. And let me quote you, "Even by a skilled [Explosion release] master."

Like it or not, she got swerved.

See:
Less than two seconds is still plenty of time to act for a ninja. I have my criticisms concerning the sealing speed of the Uzumaki Sealing Technique, since it's vague in it's speed in the manga, but shows to take several seconds in the anime (as seen here (http://www.crunchyroll.com/naruto-shippuden/episode-247-target-nine-tails-588308), skip to about 8:50) by the leader of the Uzumaki himself: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Ashina_Uzumaki "He was unrivalled in the handling of fūinjutsu, and was even said to be the forefather of Konoha's fūinjutsu." Straight from the fourth databook.

But if you guys really want Ichirou revived via questionable methods, that's on you. You're just giving me a suitable host.


But Yujo never gave any indication that it was an illusion at all. Usually if you want to cast a genjutsu, you need to give indication that it was attempted in the first place, either by clever word-play or explicitly stating it.He played it like it was real, even up to the point of stating in his post that Ichirou took his first breaths of life again. There's all this talk of retro-posting, when Yujo attempting just that in the first place, without the posting part.

I don't even care about the result of this thing, but I just wanted to say that real 'magic' follows the same practice of what happened. I figured that Yujo basically pulled a Penn and Teller to trick Masane with sleight of hand. But I don't even know what happened anymore. There was so much potential RP that could have been done during this time, but people had to argue. An illusion doesn't need to be genjutsu, basically is what I'm trying to say. 
I probably should have addressed this in the retro-post thread, but it's common knowledge on SL (maybe uncommon knowledge) that you have to state that you're attempting to put your opponent into a genjutsu in your post, either it be clever word-play or explicit in stating. It's technically an attack post, and attempting to then say that whatever happened was a genjutsu after all without doing the aforementioned, would be a retro-post. But even if someone does state that they're attempting to place their opponent within genjutsu, that doesn't mean that the opponent automatically knows IC. Certain things like the Sharingan are able to see through genjutsu, and therefore allow the target the opportunity to release themselves from it if the technique binds the user in any way.

Which brings up another point: Even if it were not genjutsu but just a show of smoke and mirrors, it should have been stated that it was. But it wasn't, if we're reading from the same RP here.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Eric on September 13, 2015, 09:15:01 PM
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... And that's the current situation we're getting to now. Before Yujo decided to pull a 180, it was decided that Ichirou would host the Eight Tails after going through with this resurrection RP. I advised Ichirou that this means of resurrection isn't possible, and so he stepped down to summoning it instead since in the end, a void would keep him an Edo Tensei. According to the Edo Tensei rules, zombies can't become hosts. It's also the reason why I wanted to void this resurrection RP in the first place, since I don't believe the community would think Ichirou's resurrection would be legit. But since you guys want to play it like it is, then he's apparently alive again. Whether or not the community would like to strip him because of a disagreement of his resurrection is another issue.

But this puts the Eight Tails in a limbo here, since Ichirou's preferred method was an IC hunt, but people cannot hunt him down right now because it's impossible to with this RP being on halt. While at the same time, I don't know if that also means that Ichirou actually has a contract with it in the first place, since you need blood to make a contract...

If Ichirou was not the host during this particular RP then why are tailed beasts being brought up exactly? If the timeframe for the contracting and all that was supposed to be after the RP concluded, then why has that been said to be otherwise by both parties?

I reiterate, Ichirou was not brought back to life by this technique at all, the turnaround was before Ichirou took his first breath again. If you advised Ichirou that this would not work, then why was the RP even continued in the first place? Was there a communication error between Masane and Ichirou? Or did they intend on ignoring your advice and carrying on with it anyways once it concluded? Or, was this switch to contract done after the betrayal was revealed and all this contested, in which case the beast is definitely not in Ichirou's hands and definitely not relevent to the discussion.

None of this is making any sense.

that can be used to tip off that something is wrong

Interlocking fingers tips off that something is wrong? Man...perhaps that's why I'm still single right now...


With a stranger that trusts you with the life of her brother but not her own (seeing as the most likely thing to have gone wrong would have been with Ichirou getting soul-napped) an unecessary, unwanted gesture is unecessary and apparently unwanted. You aint trying to kiss her like that middle schooler in Baltimore, but I go back to Kage's weird hand analogy (excluding the hand rape terminology) to save typing energy.

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...She was LITERALLY in his grasp. But according to you, Masane having this huge enlightenment, within the matter of moments is perfectly legit...

Yes:

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Once his hand was met with Masane's, the warmth of her chakra began washing through him, "What an incredible chakra you have..." He grinned up at her, still slowly channeling chakra into Ichirou. Time passed, and the heart that Yujo had extracted withered away into dust, signifying that this process was nearly complete... With another glance back at her his grin still spread across his face, he interlocked their fingers to bring her hand closer to his own. "Nearly done, but I am growing weak rather quickly." He panted a bit and turned back towards Ichirou...

...The tattoos on his hands that rested within Masanes came to life in the form of the Uzumaki Sealing technique, and when the technique was used at such close range, by a user of such mastery, there was no escape to be had. Within the time span of less than 2 seconds would Masane find herself sucked inside of the inscriptions that made up the tattoos on his arm, and forever trapped within them.

1) Hands meet, chakra funneling carries on for deception reasons. Yujo comments on Masane's warm chakra, the heart eventually withers.

2) Yujo  attempts to interlock fingers (Here Masane's post picks up on figuring that something could be wrong), Yujo comments and glances at Ichirou's body.

3)Yujo activates fuinjutsu , which has an escape time of less than 2 seconds. It is here is where Masane physically acts to try to save herself.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Deathstroke on September 13, 2015, 09:18:25 PM
Masane should just claim to be sealed in Yujo and take over his body like a bijuu taking over their Jinchuriki.

In all seriousness though, I was going to bring up the same point as Kage, the sealing technique isn't instant.

That is the current Uzumaki Clan leader at the time, by the way, so it's not like it was some random joe. What we're seeing is arguably the best possible version of the seal.

I'd also point out that the seal is large enough to surround that creature and still took several seconds to draw it in. I'd assume you can't just power out of the seal otherwise it would not have worked, but that gives you a lot of time to react.

I would think it would take longer to draw a target into a smaller seal, like a human into one on the palm of your hand. If the seal had just been under one of the monster's feet instead of its whole body do you not imagine it would have taken longer to seal it?

Masane might lose a hand or part of her arm, I think Uetto mentioned lopping her own arm off in response earlier. But I don't really see how she'd be unable to react at all, Sharingan or not. Yujo said two seconds but that does not seem to be a realistic time frame given the inefficient size of the seal. 

Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Genesis on September 13, 2015, 09:19:52 PM
The part where they showed him sealing was "filler" made for the sake of animation. If you're going to literally count the amount of seconds, it's not reliable.

http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-500-page-4.html

In the literal cannon, there's no such thing.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Deathstroke on September 13, 2015, 09:23:18 PM
The part where they showed him sealing was "filler" made for the sake of animation. If you're going to literally count the amount of seconds, it's not reliable.

http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-500-page-4.html

In the literal cannon, there's no such thing.

So shouldn't he not be able to use it then?

I wasn't literally counting the seconds but it was a very large seal for a very large creature, and it still took some time to do. More than enough time for an intelligent creature to go, "This is a bad situation."

Edit: Also, if you're going to argue that the only observable instance of this jutsu being used doesn't count then you really should't be allowed to use it in a fight. Just say it seals them instantly and walk around with Fuinjutsu knuckle dusters sealing everyone into your fists.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Kage on September 13, 2015, 09:34:17 PM
The part where they showed him sealing was "filler" made for the sake of animation. If you're going to literally count the amount of seconds, it's not reliable.

http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-500-page-4.html

In the literal cannon, there's no such thing.
It's an extremely vague technique. The anime is the closest thing we can get to it's actual usage. If we're only relying on manga information, it's just a glorified normal Sealing Technique. And even in the page you just posted, Kushina mentioned "Our clans specialized in sealing techniques... though their processes were a little rough." What the latter means is up in the air for interpretation. But could imply that performing them was a challenge of some sorts.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 13, 2015, 09:36:27 PM
I kinda like how the Masane/Ichirou Defense Squad jumped from her post not being meta game and all that nonsense, to the fact that the seal is no longer a viable way of sealing. Am I the only one that feels like Karate chopping my Desk, with my forehead?
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Keito Uzumaki on September 13, 2015, 09:38:42 PM
No, no, no, no, no.
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With another glance back at her his grin still spread across his face, he interlocked their fingers to bring her hand closer to his own. "Nearly done, but I am growing weak rather quickly." He panted a bit and turned back towards Ichirou who was but a few moments before breathing his first breath of life since death. Though there was an issue here, Yujo had just met these people, why would an Uzumaki make such sacrifice for someone not sharing his blood? Correct answer happened to be, he wasn't.

That right there explains his cunning and wordplay as to state that Ichirou was still in fact dead. Needless to say, him growing weaker is why he interlocked his fingers with Masane's to support himself and generate her own strength which she is willingly giving him. Yes the Explosion Fist is quite instantaneous but she has to gather the appropriate chakras which would alert Yujo as well, since she is basically feeding him chakra. Regardless she accepted her fate once the contact was made. I'm not saying she got sealed up in exactly 2 seconds. No. The 2 seconds was the seal transferring from his own hand, WHICH IS HOLDING her hand. Masane is not a whale, or some other large creature so your theories are wrong. This sealing technique would take less than the depicted usage because Masane is in direct contact with yujo and the sealing formula is already present, simply transfering from skin to skin. Don't go telling me even a master Uzumaki Clan member whatever took 6 seconds because he is not in the predicament Yujo is in! Don't take everything for face value guys what kind of argument is this? This goes back to Masane thinking her Amaterasu is just as hot as the sun because the wikia says so. Just like how she believed yujo was going to help her, just like he said so...... this lesson should teach her to stop being so gullible.

She was deceived and regardless of her attempt to blast him, the sealing formula would still transpire over her person and then once it was complete would seal her into the formula/coding itself. Despite any sudden realization; once she would realize, she would be gone! DONE! SPICK AND SPAN! No redoes or look overs. Because now that everything was revealed it would be too meta/retro to go back in the first place. Please just take L, stop making this headache continue xD
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Genesis on September 13, 2015, 09:40:18 PM
The part where they showed him sealing was "filler" made for the sake of animation. If you're going to literally count the amount of seconds, it's not reliable.

http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-500-page-4.html

In the literal cannon, there's no such thing.

So shouldn't he not be able to use it then?

I wasn't literally counting the seconds but it was a very large seal for a very large creature, and it still took some time to do. More than enough time for an intelligent creature to go, "This is a bad situation."

It was more a response to Kage. But the monster literally danced about doing whatever. I doubt the animators weren't concerned about the number of seconds but rather filling out seconds lol

But since we're debating seconds after debating intentions (or still, since I didn't reply to Eric yet), I see no point in this argument anymore.

This is whats going to happen (my prediction): Both forum mods, are going to keep arguing this. Masane, for whatever she can't defend her own writing, will void that this ever happened along with the rest of Ame, thus rendering anything written here completely useless and vain. Do I have a problem with Masane not defending herself? No, but having the original author speak on her own behalf is much better. So, in the end, all of this will become void.

So, I shall stick with what I know best. Dank memes. It's been real folks.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Eric on September 13, 2015, 09:46:31 PM
... to the fact that the seal is no longer a viable way of sealing...

When was that conclusion made?


P.S:

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...Masane, for whatever she can't defend her own writing...

Pretty sure Kage said it was because Masane was not sure she could keep civil with a prolonged discussion regarding this. And her not being civil is not exactly going to help her cause, as she has no doubt learned from previous experience.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Kage on September 13, 2015, 09:47:09 PM
I kinda like how the Masane/Ichirou Defense Squad jumped from her post not being meta game and all that nonsense, to the fact that the seal is no longer a viable way of sealing. Am I the only one that feels like Karate chopping my Desk, with my forehead?
It's still a viable way of sealing. It's just that it is very vague in nature, and the only actual usage we see of it is in the anime, which has a lot more ground on it's actual usage and execution, instead of some random dude saying "I don't know how this seal works, but I'm going to say it takes only two seconds for me to win."

And what meta-game? We've already been over that she's stated clear reasoning as to be cautious, and then retaliate against an attack post initiated against her. Though I don't see you arguing against what I said in my latest long-post.

It was more a response to Kage. But the monster literally danced about doing whatever. I doubt the animators weren't concerned about the number of seconds but rather filling out seconds lol

But since we're debating seconds after debating intentions (or still, since I didn't reply to Eric yet), I see no point in this argument anymore.

This is whats going to happen (my prediction): Both forum mods, are going to keep arguing this. Masane, for whatever she can't defend her own writing, will void that this ever happened along with the rest of Ame, thus rendering anything written here completely useless and vain. Do I have a problem with Masane not defending herself? No, but having the original author speak on her own behalf is much better. So, in the end, all of this will become void.

So, I shall stick with what I know best. Dank memes. It's been real folks.
I've always been able to initiate the authority of my rule 2 though and just void the whole thing. I just have rule 3 to give the disagreeing party, and myself, a chance to explain our reasoning. Like I said before, I won't kick Yujo out, unless he starts spamming the whole board or interrupts and shouts obscenities, which I doubt is in his character in the first place.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Deathstroke on September 13, 2015, 09:50:48 PM
I kinda like how the Masane/Ichirou Defense Squad jumped from her post not being meta game and all that nonsense, to the fact that the seal is no longer a viable way of sealing. Am I the only one that feels like Karate chopping my Desk, with my forehead?

I like how instead of responding to a legitimate inquiry we're making you instead try to make it seem like it's not a relevant point at all by again implying there's some bias at work, as if I'm just making an argument so you don't win. Don't worry though I'll take it out on your knee caps later.

@Keito: Wait what now? So the seal moves onto her body and seals her into herself? I was under the impression she was being drawn into Yujo's hand. That's why I was asking about the seal. If it takes a decent amount of time for something larger to be drawn into an appropriately large seal then wouldn't it take the same amount of time or longer for Masane to be drawn into a seal much smaller than her? They way you present it makes it seem like you can place the formula on someone and then they just kind of cease to exist, drawn into their own body. Would there just be a sealing jutsu floating in mid-air where she was standing because now I am genuinely confused.

My only point was that due to the seal being used I thought she'd have time to cut off her arm or attack Yujo or something before being totally drawn in.

Though if the one side is already convinced they're right and are going to dismiss any further discussion as knit-picking, like Genesis seems to be implying, then yes the discussion is quite over since one of the two sides is leaving.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Becquerel on September 13, 2015, 09:59:26 PM
Which brings up another point: Even if it were not genjutsu but just a show of smoke and mirrors, it should have been stated that it was. But it wasn't, if we're reading from the same RP here.

Am I the only one that thinks that things like this (traps/illusions) don't really need to be stated that it's smoke and mirrors? What's the point of setting a trap if you tell your opponent that you're setting up a trap, how to trigger it, and what it's going to do?
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Deathstroke on September 13, 2015, 10:02:01 PM
Which brings up another point: Even if it were not genjutsu but just a show of smoke and mirrors, it should have been stated that it was. But it wasn't, if we're reading from the same RP here.

Am I the only one that thinks that things like this (traps/illusions) don't really need to be stated that it's smoke and mirrors? What's the point of setting a trap if you tell your opponent that you're setting up a trap, how to trigger it, and what it's going to do?

That's just really difficult in this kind of rp. In a D&D kind of situation it's easy. You try and observe or cast some kind of revealing spell and then roll to see what you get.

This kind of thing would be like if everyone was a DM and also they were all competing to kill one another. Which sounds awful.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Keito Uzumaki on September 13, 2015, 10:03:32 PM
The sealing tattoo is inked onto Yujo's body. That is the medium for which the seal is readily accesibly and activates from.
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After forming the necessary hand seals, the user slams their hand on the ground after which a sealing formula, that originates from the user's hand, forming underneath the target. When the seal activates, anything above the inscription is sealed within the formula itself.

The SEALING FORMULA is tattooed onto him. So it already exists and is simply moving from his hand to her hand, stretching from his person to hers. Once it moved over it would seal her up into YUJO's TATTOO, not herself. Please and thank you :D

And Thank you, Thank You Becquerel for helping to state the obvious that Masane's team can't understand
Which brings up another point: Even if it were not genjutsu but just a show of smoke and mirrors, it should have been stated that it was. But it wasn't, if we're reading from the same RP here.

Am I the only one that thinks that things like this (traps/illusions) don't really need to be stated that it's smoke and mirrors? What's the point of setting a trap if you tell your opponent that you're setting up a trap, how to trigger it, and what it's going to do?
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Kage on September 13, 2015, 10:19:13 PM
The sealing tattoo is inked onto Yujo's body. That is the medium for which the seal is readily accesibly and activates from.
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After forming the necessary hand seals, the user slams their hand on the ground after which a sealing formula, that originates from the user's hand, forming underneath the target. When the seal activates, anything above the inscription is sealed within the formula itself.

The SEALING FORMULA is tattooed onto him. So it already exists and is simply moving from his hand to her hand, stretching from his person to hers. Once it moved over it would seal her up into YUJO's TATTOO, not herself. Please and thank you :D

And Thank you, Thank You Becquerel for helping to state the obvious that Masane's team can't understand
Except that Yujo never explained that it does that. He just said that they're already on his hand and it attempts to suck her in. Stop trying to forum-retro-post.

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(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) this process was nearly complete. With another glance back at her his grin still spread across his face, he interlocked their fingers to bring her hand closer to his own. "Nearly done, but I am growing weak rather quickly." He panted a bit and turned back towards Ichirou who was (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) but a few moments before breathing his first breath of life since death. Though there was an issue here, Yujo had just met these people, why would an Uzumaki make such sacrifice for someone not sharing his blood? Correct answer happened to be, he wasn't. If anyone knew Yujo personally it (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) would not have gone down this way, but the so called wonder twins did not. The tattoos on his hands that rested within Masanes came to life in the form of the Uzumaki Sealing technique, and when the technique was used at such close range, by a user of such mastery, there was no escape (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) to be had. Within the time span of less than 2 seconds would Masane find herself sucked inside of the inscriptions that made up the tattoos on his arm, and forever trapped within them.
Considering the amount of trust she had in Yujo, one could doubt that there was much reaction to be had (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) from her, which would make trust the factor that would seal their fate. Once completed, Yujo would simply use another seal to capture Ichirou before any shenanigans were to be had, if any. If all went successfully, he would sealed Masane sealed within his right palm, and ichi in his left.

Which brings up another point: Even if it were not genjutsu but just a show of smoke and mirrors, it should have been stated that it was. But it wasn't, if we're reading from the same RP here.

Am I the only one that thinks that things like this (traps/illusions) don't really need to be stated that it's smoke and mirrors? What's the point of setting a trap if you tell your opponent that you're setting up a trap, how to trigger it, and what it's going to do?
D&D and SL RP are different. For SL, just because you know OOC that it's a genjutsu, doesn't mean that your character knows. Like I said before, you have to figure if your character is able to discern it. And if they aren't, then you have to RP that they were successfully "caught" within it. In this case, as Yujo and Keito are attempting to forum-retro-post. There was never any indication of it being genjutsu or smoke and mirrors. Yujo played it all as real, and it was accepted as being real by Masane and Ichirou. He can't go back on his word now. Especially when he stated that Ichirou came back to life before making the attacking action. If he had stated that Ichirou came back to life afterwards, then the revival would be void. But now Yujo has revived one of my men, and he has to deal with the consequences of his plan back-firing on him.

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(7d17h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō | Once his hand was met with Masane's, the warmth of her chakra began washing through him, "What an incredible chakra you have..." He grinned up at her, still slowly channeling chakra into Ichirou. Time passed, and the heart that Yujo had extracted withered away into dust, signifying that (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) this process was nearly complete. With another glance back at her his grin still spread across his face, he interlocked their fingers to bring her hand closer to his own. "Nearly done, but I am growing weak rather quickly." He panted a bit and turned back towards Ichirou who was (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) but a few moments before breathing his first breath of life since death.
Though there was an issue here, Yujo had just met these people, why would an Uzumaki make such sacrifice for someone not sharing his blood? Correct answer happened to be, he wasn't. If anyone knew Yujo personally it (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) would not have gone down this way, but the so called wonder twins did not. The tattoos on his hands that rested within Masanes came to life in the form of the Uzumaki Sealing technique, and when the technique was used at such close range, by a user of such mastery, there was no escape (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) to be had. Within the time span of less than 2 seconds would Masane find herself sucked inside of the inscriptions that made up the tattoos on his arm, and forever trapped within them.
Considering the amount of trust she had in Yujo, one could doubt that there was much reaction to be had (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) from her, which would make trust the factor that would seal their fate. Once completed, Yujo would simply use another seal to capture Ichirou before any shenanigans were to be had, if any. If all went successfully, he would sealed Masane sealed within his right palm, and ichi in his left.

Because Masane countered, all actions past his single attacking motion are voided.

Now I'm going to give a heads-up that I'm going to be gone for a bit, and I'll be back later. So take some time to absorb all the info here for now.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Deathstroke on September 13, 2015, 10:26:00 PM
From what I saw in the video the seal doesn't actually go on the target, it just draws them in if they're in contact with it. That's what confused me. One could argue she is below the inscription, not above, if it is on her, and thus couldn't be sealed. If you really wanted to just try and be a troll anyway.

I just don't really get this whole argument. If I was holding hands with someone, even if I did trust them, and I started getting sucked vacuum cleaner style into their hand I would react in someway to it. I don't think you need to meta-game to understand that it is a bad situation.

Unless she is being sucked in so fast she cannot react, which as I mentioned I don't think would be realistic, then she could at least attempt to do something. She tried to Landmine fist his arm off right? And that was called metagaming I believe. I don't know, that seems like an appropriate reaction.

He already tricked her into releasing her brothers Edo Tensei so he is "dead". I say let her blow her and his arm off to stop the seal and then continue with the rp from there.

All Yujo had to do to give her no chance to fight back was instead of trying to suck her up put some seal on her that would have knocked her out in this exact same situation, and we'd have none of this arguing about a response. He shouldn't have given her any wiggle room, it's not as efficient as it could have been.

It just seems like Yujo went into this expecting to take them both out without a fight and isn't willing to accept any outcome besides that.

If you infiltrate enemy territory by yourself and plan to take out two key people (been playing a lot of Metal Gear V) then your plan can't have any holes in it. Everything on you, behind enemy lines, is as much pressure as a plan can be under and if there are any holes in it that pressure is going to force something out.

Yes this whole situation is basically a fart.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Nathan on September 13, 2015, 10:33:12 PM
You guys are literally just going back and forth at this point and it's solving nothing. At this rate it is going to dwindle down to insults and the topic is going to be locked, so hold a poll or something of the like to solve this issue.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Keito Uzumaki on September 13, 2015, 10:40:37 PM
So you were questioning the technicality of things and I am explaining how I would view said sealing technique to work. Unless you want to go with the idea that Yujo can just have vacuum suction powers upon his palms like thats cool and fine with me. But the way for it to properly work would be for the formula to transfer over to her body through their hand contact and that is exactly what is going on. Once it was transferred, the actual swallowing and sucking into the formula takes place and the seal finished by remaining as Yujo's tattoo.

Except that Yujo never explained that it does that. He just said that they're already on his hand and it attempts to suck her in. Stop trying to forum-retro-post.

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(7d17h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō | Once his hand was met with Masane's, the warmth of her chakra began washing through him, "What an incredible chakra you have..." He grinned up at her, still slowly channeling chakra into Ichirou. Time passed, and the heart that Yujo had extracted withered away into dust, signifying that (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) this process was nearly complete. With another glance back at her his grin still spread across his face, he interlocked their fingers to bring her hand closer to his own. "Nearly done, but I am growing weak rather quickly." He panted a bit and turned back towards Ichirou who was (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) but a few moments before breathing his first breath of life since death. Though there was an issue here, Yujo had just met these people, why would an Uzumaki make such sacrifice for someone not sharing his blood? Correct answer happened to be, he wasn't. If anyone knew Yujo personally it (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) would not have gone down this way, but the so called wonder twins did not. The tattoos on his hands that rested within Masanes came to life in the form of the Uzumaki Sealing technique, and when the technique was used at such close range, by a user of such mastery, there was no escape (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) to be had. Within the time span of less than 2 seconds would Masane find herself sucked inside of the inscriptions that made up the tattoos on his arm, and forever trapped within them.
Considering the amount of trust she had in Yujo, one could doubt that there was much reaction to be had (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) from her, which would make trust the factor that would seal their fate. Once completed, Yujo would simply use another seal to capture Ichirou before any shenanigans were to be had, if any. If all went successfully, he would sealed Masane sealed within his right palm, and ichi in his left.

We don't have to perform techniques as they were in the anime. Certain techniques were used for certain events in the plot/storyline for that particular purpose. We as RPers have the ability to interpret such and utilize them accordingly. The Uzumaki Sealing Technique isn't some generic sealing technique, since I saw someone say that. It is basically a one step, poof and done type of sealing. The reason it is hiden, I personally believe is the complex coding in its very own formula; this is why some characters after perfecting/mastering the technique get it tattooed onto their person for ease of access. With such in mind, the hand contact made allowed the seal to literally have those few seconds to simply transfer over and 'tag' itself onto the intended target. Now, the caster has the initial link and tattoo medium to perform the technique and doesn't have to shoot the technique or launch/create it because direct contact is made and it already exists. Then, the sealing formula itself will transfer from the host to the target and perform the technique on the 'tagged' target. It doesn't matter if your up, down or upside down, you'll be sealed once your successfully 'tagged'/wrapped in the sealing formula.

From what I saw in the video the seal doesn't actually go on the target, it just draws them in if they're in contact with it. That's what confused me. One could argue she is below the inscription, not above, if it is on her, and thus couldn't be sealed. If you really wanted to just try and be a troll anyway.

I just don't really get this whole argument. If I was holding hands with someone, even if I did trust them, and I started getting sucked vacuum cleaner style into their hand I would react in someway to it. I don't think you need to meta-game to understand that it is a bad situation.

Unless she is being sucked in so fast she cannot react, which as I mentioned I don't think would be realistic, then she could at least attempt to do something. She tried to Landmine fist his arm off right? And that was called metagaming I believe. I don't know, that seems like an appropriate reaction.

He already tricked her into releasing her brothers Edo Tensei so he is "dead". I say let her blow her and his arm off to stop the seal and then continue with the rp from there.

All Yujo had to do to give her no chance to fight back was instead of trying to suck her up put some seal on her that would have knocked her out in this exact same situation, and we'd have none of this arguing about a response. He shouldn't have given her any wiggle room, it's not as efficient as it could have been.

It just seems like Yujo went into this expecting to take them both out without a fight and isn't willing to accept any outcome besides that.

If you infiltrate enemy territory by yourself and plan to take out two key people (been playing a lot of Metal Gear V) then your plan can't have any holes in it. Everything on you, behind enemy lines, is as much pressure as a plan can be under and if there are any holes in it that pressure is going to force something out.

Yes this whole situation is basically a fart.


This event is just like that, except the seal used was meant to cast her away from existence, not put her to sleep. This ain't Sleeping Beauty, this is Shinobi Legends! And he basically did lead her up into falling into his trap by holding her hand. That is why this whole discussion was made because she is trying to back out after the fact of being trapped.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Eric on September 13, 2015, 10:59:11 PM
The options are clearly wrong, I do not believe that Ichirou really can be alive at this point, but I don't agree that Masane should be dead either. Where does that vote go here?

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...And Thank you, Thank You Becquerel for helping to state the obvious that Masane's team can't understand...

It is clearly not understood that it's not that we do not comprehend the referenced point, it is that we do not agree with it for reasons already stated prior to now in this thread. In official RP such as a biju fight, you can't omit relevant facts when the opposing character is capable of figuring them out; that is wrong wrong wrong no matter how you try to justify it in official RP. In unofficial RP, you are on Ame's turf, so you have to play by their RP guidelines (which seems out of favor of this trick even being feasible) You can't use a genjutsu, have the genjutsu world go through as if it were all an illusion, and then state that you killed said target becaue they were in fact trapped in the genjutu when the target had the ability to detect the genjutsu the moment it was cast (I.E, Byakugan active).

In this case, people keep saying, "smoke and mirrors", but it is not smoke and mirrors. There is actual soul and Shinigami summoning going on here, it is not an illusion, or at least that is how it was written. Therefore, it makes no sense for Masane IC to respond aggressively until something tips her off (any previous cues all missed). She knows something is wrong before the fuinjutsu is activated and acts as the fuinjutsu is activated (I.E, she attacks at the same time the fuinjutsu starts).

The argument I am most against is that she should not be able to even try to do anything at this point, which is blatantly false from what is physically posted. If we are to keep up with the team analogy here, Team Yujo doesn't seem to understand that Masane had to act this turn because Yujo gave her a chance and a reason to react this turn. Regardless of how the seal works (suction, stretching out, whatever).

Yujo giving her a chance to react and then being all surprised that she did choose something to react with (regardless of effectiveness) is ludicrous. Team Yujo is acting like if she did get the chance to react it would be the end of Yujo or something; it is certainly not. Even if her hand was already in his, it is not instant suction by the post's own admission!

You guys are literally just going back and forth at this point and it's solving nothing. At this rate it is going to dwindle down to insults and the topic is going to be locked, so hold a poll or something of the like to solve this issue.

Two unmovable forces really at this point. The whole "are biju even involved" thing is still confusing the freak out of me (cause honestly, the possibility that a biju is involved is the only reason this discussion continues instead of just two separate continuities.)
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Becquerel on September 13, 2015, 11:05:11 PM
I voted for death, but I don't really see 'character death' like a lot of you guys do. I feel that they can come back if they want to through RP. After this is all said and done with, they can lay back with a few drinks and come back in when they're ready. I also don't like the fact that the people involved in this haven't really posted here.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Rusaku on September 13, 2015, 11:07:41 PM
I voted for death, but I don't really see 'character death' like a lot of you guys do. I feel that they can come back if they want to through RP. After this is all said and done with, they can lay back with a few drinks and come back in when they're ready. I also don't like the fact that the people involved in this haven't really posted here.

If they can find a away to come back in legitimate RP, then by all means do it. With how Naruto progressed as a show it gave us so many different ways to bring someone back to life that it's not even funny.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 13, 2015, 11:16:50 PM
I voted for death, but I don't really see 'character death' like a lot of you guys do. I feel that they can come back if they want to through RP. After this is all said and done with, they can lay back with a few drinks and come back in when they're ready. I also don't like the fact that the people involved in this haven't really posted here.

If they can find a away to come back in legitimate RP, then by all means do it. With how Naruto progressed as a show it gave us so many different ways to bring someone back to life that it's not even funny.

I wish them the best of luck with that, and I made a slight mistake with the polls, to which I cannot edit. They will conclude at 1:00 PM PST 9/14/15. So tomorrow at 1 in the afternoon.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Ѕhadow on September 13, 2015, 11:43:42 PM
I leik trains
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Keito Uzumaki on September 13, 2015, 11:52:51 PM
Hey now! I suggest she amputated herself to save herself from being entirely sealed. But that approach wasn't taken. Her actually response shouldn't quite cut it, literally either.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Kage on September 14, 2015, 03:00:13 PM
So you were questioning the technicality of things and I am explaining how I would view said sealing technique to work. Unless you want to go with the idea that Yujo can just have vacuum suction powers upon his palms like thats cool and fine with me. But the way for it to properly work would be for the formula to transfer over to her body through their hand contact and that is exactly what is going on. Once it was transferred, the actual swallowing and sucking into the formula takes place and the seal finished by remaining as Yujo's tattoo.

Except that Yujo never explained that it does that. He just said that they're already on his hand and it attempts to suck her in. Stop trying to forum-retro-post.

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(7d17h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō | Once his hand was met with Masane's, the warmth of her chakra began washing through him, "What an incredible chakra you have..." He grinned up at her, still slowly channeling chakra into Ichirou. Time passed, and the heart that Yujo had extracted withered away into dust, signifying that (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) this process was nearly complete. With another glance back at her his grin still spread across his face, he interlocked their fingers to bring her hand closer to his own. "Nearly done, but I am growing weak rather quickly." He panted a bit and turned back towards Ichirou who was (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) but a few moments before breathing his first breath of life since death. Though there was an issue here, Yujo had just met these people, why would an Uzumaki make such sacrifice for someone not sharing his blood? Correct answer happened to be, he wasn't. If anyone knew Yujo personally it (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) would not have gone down this way, but the so called wonder twins did not. The tattoos on his hands that rested within Masanes came to life in the form of the Uzumaki Sealing technique, and when the technique was used at such close range, by a user of such mastery, there was no escape (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) to be had. Within the time span of less than 2 seconds would Masane find herself sucked inside of the inscriptions that made up the tattoos on his arm, and forever trapped within them.
Considering the amount of trust she had in Yujo, one could doubt that there was much reaction to be had (C)
(7d16h) <||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō (C) from her, which would make trust the factor that would seal their fate. Once completed, Yujo would simply use another seal to capture Ichirou before any shenanigans were to be had, if any. If all went successfully, he would sealed Masane sealed within his right palm, and ichi in his left.

We don't have to perform techniques as they were in the anime. Certain techniques were used for certain events in the plot/storyline for that particular purpose. We as RPers have the ability to interpret such and utilize them accordingly. The Uzumaki Sealing Technique isn't some generic sealing technique, since I saw someone say that. It is basically a one step, poof and done type of sealing. The reason it is hiden, I personally believe is the complex coding in its very own formula; this is why some characters after perfecting/mastering the technique get it tattooed onto their person for ease of access. With such in mind, the hand contact made allowed the seal to literally have those few seconds to simply transfer over and 'tag' itself onto the intended target. Now, the caster has the initial link and tattoo medium to perform the technique and doesn't have to shoot the technique or launch/create it because direct contact is made and it already exists. Then, the sealing formula itself will transfer from the host to the target and perform the technique on the 'tagged' target. It doesn't matter if your up, down or upside down, you'll be sealed once your successfully 'tagged'/wrapped in the sealing formula.

From what I saw in the video the seal doesn't actually go on the target, it just draws them in if they're in contact with it. That's what confused me. One could argue she is below the inscription, not above, if it is on her, and thus couldn't be sealed. If you really wanted to just try and be a troll anyway.

I just don't really get this whole argument. If I was holding hands with someone, even if I did trust them, and I started getting sucked vacuum cleaner style into their hand I would react in someway to it. I don't think you need to meta-game to understand that it is a bad situation.

Unless she is being sucked in so fast she cannot react, which as I mentioned I don't think would be realistic, then she could at least attempt to do something. She tried to Landmine fist his arm off right? And that was called metagaming I believe. I don't know, that seems like an appropriate reaction.

He already tricked her into releasing her brothers Edo Tensei so he is "dead". I say let her blow her and his arm off to stop the seal and then continue with the rp from there.

All Yujo had to do to give her no chance to fight back was instead of trying to suck her up put some seal on her that would have knocked her out in this exact same situation, and we'd have none of this arguing about a response. He shouldn't have given her any wiggle room, it's not as efficient as it could have been.

It just seems like Yujo went into this expecting to take them both out without a fight and isn't willing to accept any outcome besides that.

If you infiltrate enemy territory by yourself and plan to take out two key people (been playing a lot of Metal Gear V) then your plan can't have any holes in it. Everything on you, behind enemy lines, is as much pressure as a plan can be under and if there are any holes in it that pressure is going to force something out.

Yes this whole situation is basically a fart.


This event is just like that, except the seal used was meant to cast her away from existence, not put her to sleep. This ain't Sleeping Beauty, this is Shinobi Legends! And he basically did lead her up into falling into his trap by holding her hand. That is why this whole discussion was made because she is trying to back out after the fact of being trapped.
But here's the problem with that logic. As I've stated before, Yujo worked it like a vacuum. On both the profile wiki and wiki pages, it's never elaborated to work in the prescribed way you are explaining at all. Most notably, the "tagging" part.

http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Uzumaki_Sealing_Technique

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Uzumaki_Sealing_Technique

Heck, the fact that it's being used in it's current prescribed manner of being equivalent to a hand-Kamui, without the use of hand seals at all, was something that we were willing to let slide. But to say that it works in a different certain way that you had to come and explain after the event happened is poor RP. You're trying to retcon how the technique works, and if you ever want it to work differently than how it has been shown to work, then Yujo would have needed to elaborate on that. Or the wiki page should have been edited to fit whatever you're trying to come up with on the fly right here. But even then, that can be contested and modifying the way a canon technique works.

Yujo cited the Uzumaki Sealing Technique, and when he did, he cited how it has been shown to work with the resources available to us. It's one thing if the technique is custom, but it's another if it is canon.

The logic you're using is "we don't have to use stuff in the way it was shown to work." That's like saying "I have the Sharingan, and I don't need to look directly at a person's eyes to instantly cast them into an ocular-based genjutsu. I can just do that simply by looking at their back, foot, hand, etc."

And I never agreed to a poll, since that would defeat the entire purpose of presenting an argument and counter-argument. You're just stepping down to that because you don't have much else to crutch yourself on.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Rusaku on September 14, 2015, 04:11:07 PM
Funny enough Kage, I've been laughing about your lack of crutch since this thread started, yet somehow you keep going on about nothing.

And we don't actually need your permission for anything about this thread. Thats going back to what I said before about injecting yourself into this Rp because you think your way more important than you really are. Was that mean? Probably.

Though, when I think about it, I don't even need to continue defending this, seeing as the community has shown exactly who's side they beleive through this poll. It's overwhelming actually.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Keito Uzumaki on September 14, 2015, 04:22:58 PM
Oh lord, here we again. I hate having to repeat myself but you don't seem to understand. First and foremost, I am here only to justify Yujo's actions in which you are questioning, same as you are here to justify MAsane's questionable actions to begin with. There is no twist, forum-retro-posting or whatever you want to call it. And blatantly, Masane and Ichirou followed through with their private RP between themselves and Yujo up until the point they realized they messed up. This HAS been realized already and we CANNOT go back, with that in mind the sealing technique was already active from moments before and her all too real realization and reaction is what is heavily at question. So while we question that, you simply are trying to nit pick every single technique he's been using thus far. First you had problems with the Shinigami and now the Uzumaki Sealing Technique. My thought is you have problems with it all because he is attempting to remove two main components from Ame's RP system. Well if you wanted to butt into that, you should have joined the RP sequence to state your view point and help Masane/Ichirou through Role Play not some pointless discussion. Only reason I'm still posting is because I get a laugh from this thing entirely.

Don't get me started with your susanno kage, and how they go so perfectly well with the lore of naruto-verse. Because thats exactly what you're doing here with the Uzumaki Sealing Technique. BOTH are CANON and not CUSTOM but eventually out of our abuse/repeated usage we have come up with custom utilization for the way we perform them. You claim to give life to your susanoo and let them access sage mode, while I'm just stating that a simple sealing formula can be tattooed onto your person. THIS IS NARUTO, as evident there are tattoos that have chakras within them and this sealing tattoo is one of them. WITH THAT BEING SAID! He doesn't have to use handseals, slam his hands on the ground as prescribed in the wikia. AND WE AREN'T ACTING AS IF THIS IS 'OKAY' BECAUSE IT IS OKAY, OKAY? :D UZumaki Sealing Techniques as tattoos has been a custom/common thing for years so this is not 'on the fly' AT ALL.

Now, with this whole vacuum/suction you keep talking about. Well thats what the technique does so I don't know why you are disputing what Kishimoto has intended. The suction happens once the sealing formula is complete and has an intended target ready; in this case and scenario Masane was the intended target and the hand contact made was what was needed. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE WAY I UTILIZE THE TECHNIQUE, I WAS POINTING THAT OUT FOR CLARIFICATION. So since you(Kage) want to think I am only saying this to skew and adjust Yujo's utilization of such, is false. Fine, take it as it was posted. Regardless the sealing technique WILL happen, so I don't get why your arguing. Even if she attempted to attack him, THE SEALNIG TECHNIQUE WILL STILL HAPPEN. Its not like he shut it off once she would respond, he activated it regardless of her response with the assurance that their extremely close contact was more than enough to seal the deal. Yet yourself doesn't seem to understand that. The trap card was activated and Masane fell in the trap.


AND FYI, next time someone RPs with me and doesn't acknowledge my already active bijuu cloak, sage mode, minds eye constantly wandering,  and chakra chains protruding out my butt like some sort of Dr. Octopus I will make a forum post and copy and past an RP log from 30 days ago and claim that 'I AM IN CONSTANT RP' Please and Thank you ;) Of course, I will only use Kage for clarification and to back up such a claim because it seems to be perfectly acceptable. lol SL-logic.

Oh yea sorry I have to display everything to everyone OOCly so they can meta-game against me to make my techniques not work. The element of surprise is noteworthy in such a setting, so no I am not going to detail the specifics of everything unless they come into question like you just questioned them. Please, I have tons of information to give out about my RP and stuff but that doesn't mean I am just going to say it for no reason. You questioned the Uzu Sealing Technique and I answered, simple as that.

Quote from my own biography that was written years ago......
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Granted that most of his sacred sealing techniques are marked on his body; is what makes it seem that his sealing techniques are preformed in an instance.

-Crazy Man Out
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Kage on September 14, 2015, 05:37:16 PM
Funny enough Kage, I've been laughing about your lack of crutch since this thread started, yet somehow you keep going on about nothing.

And we don't actually need your permission for anything about this thread. Thats going back to what I said before about injecting yourself into this Rp because you think your way more important than you really are. Was that mean? Probably.

Though, when I think about it, I don't even need to continue defending this, seeing as the community has shown exactly who's side they beleive through this poll. It's overwhelming actually.
Actually.
http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Amegakure#In-Game_Rules

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  • Only active members of Amegakure may role-play Ame's NPCs. Those of Jōnin or similar rank and above may control NPCs of lower rank.
  • Abide by the decisions made by the higher ups within the village, even if you don't agree with them.
  • If you have a problem with a decision made concerning you, or others, from Ame Higher Ups, bring it to their attention directly.
  • If you role-play within the village, you are subjected to the posts of others attempting to interact with you. If their post is fair and fit, and you fail to 'protect' yourself, or 'evade' the other player's attempt by your next post, they have the opportunity to legitimately auto-hit you, just like in zone fights.
  • NOTICE TO ATTACKERS: Due to Amegakure being unreleased on the main server, and still unimplemented to replace Hoshigakure, public roleplay and attacks are to be done in Zone 2, Wetlands. If the zone is unavailable, another open zone will be used instead. If attacking the village, or land, you must wait for a reply before enacting your successful aggression. Any and all massive destruction posts against the village that are made without allowing defenders the opportunity to respond will be ignored.
Everyone is subject to this upon entering. Though rule 3 is also there to allow both sides to provide reasoning as to why they disagree with each other. And if I find that their reasoning counter-acts my own, then I let them be. I was not able to interject immediately at the time since I was busy with life. But if I had actually had the time, I would have interjected right when Yujo was calling forth this resurrection technique out of nowhere and explained why it doesn't follow with the lore in terms of resurrection. I stated this before in the other thread, and even to Yujo.

Oh lord, here we again. I hate having to repeat myself but you don't seem to understand. First and foremost, I am here only to justify Yujo's actions in which you are questioning, same as you are here to justify MAsane's questionable actions to begin with. There is no twist, forum-retro-posting or whatever you want to call it. And blatantly, Masane and Ichirou followed through with their private RP between themselves and Yujo up until the point they realized they messed up. This HAS been realized already and we CANNOT go back, with that in mind the sealing technique was already active from moments before and her all too real realization and reaction is what is heavily at question. So while we question that, you simply are trying to nit pick every single technique he's been using thus far. First you had problems with the Shinigami and now the Uzumaki Sealing Technique. My thought is you have problems with it all because he is attempting to remove two main components from Ame's RP system. Well if you wanted to butt into that, you should have joined the RP sequence to state your view point and help Masane/Ichirou through Role Play not some pointless discussion. Only reason I'm still posting is because I get a laugh from this thing entirely.

Don't get me started with your susanno kage, and how they go so perfectly well with the lore of naruto-verse. Because thats exactly what you're doing here with the Uzumaki Sealing Technique. BOTH are CANON and not CUSTOM but eventually out of our abuse/repeated usage we have come up with custom utilization for the way we perform them. You claim to give life to your susanoo and let them access sage mode, while I'm just stating that a simple sealing formula can be tattooed onto your person. THIS IS NARUTO, as evident there are tattoos that have chakras within them and this sealing tattoo is one of them. WITH THAT BEING SAID! He doesn't have to use handseals, slam his hands on the ground as prescribed in the wikia. AND WE AREN'T ACTING AS IF THIS IS 'OKAY' BECAUSE IT IS OKAY, OKAY? :D UZumaki Sealing Techniques as tattoos has been a custom/common thing for years so this is not 'on the fly' AT ALL.

Now, with this whole vacuum/suction you keep talking about. Well thats what the technique does so I don't know why you are disputing what Kishimoto has intended. The suction happens once the sealing formula is complete and has an intended target ready; in this case and scenario Masane was the intended target and the hand contact made was what was needed. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE WAY I UTILIZE THE TECHNIQUE, I WAS POINTING THAT OUT FOR CLARIFICATION. So since you(Kage) want to think I am only saying this to skew and adjust Yujo's utilization of such, is false. Fine, take it as it was posted. Regardless the sealing technique WILL happen, so I don't get why your arguing. Even if she attempted to attack him, THE SEALNIG TECHNIQUE WILL STILL HAPPEN. Its not like he shut it off once she would respond, he activated it regardless of her response with the assurance that their extremely close contact was more than enough to seal the deal. Yet yourself doesn't seem to understand that. The trap card was activated and Masane fell in the trap.


AND FYI, next time someone RPs with me and doesn't acknowledge my already active bijuu cloak, sage mode, minds eye constantly wandering,  and chakra chains protruding out my butt like some sort of Dr. Octopus I will make a forum post and copy and past an RP log from 30 days ago and claim that 'I AM IN CONSTANT RP' Please and Thank you ;) Of course, I will only use Kage for clarification and to back up such a claim because it seems to be perfectly acceptable. lol SL-logic.

Oh yea sorry I have to display everything to everyone OOCly so they can meta-game against me to make my techniques not work. The element of surprise is noteworthy in such a setting, so no I am not going to detail the specifics of everything unless they come into question like you just questioned them. Please, I have tons of information to give out about my RP and stuff but that doesn't mean I am just going to say it for no reason. You questioned the Uzu Sealing Technique and I answered, simple as that.

Quote from my own biography that was written years ago......
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Granted that most of his sacred sealing techniques are marked on his body; is what makes it seem that his sealing techniques are preformed in an instance.

-Crazy Man Out
Oh lord, here we again. I hate having to repeat myself but you don't seem to understand. First and foremost, I am here only to justify Yujo's actions in which you are questioning, same as you are here to justify MAsane's questionable actions to begin with. There is no twist, forum-retro-posting or whatever you want to call it. And blatantly, Masane and Ichirou followed through with their private RP between themselves and Yujo up until the point they realized they messed up. This HAS been realized already and we CANNOT go back, with that in mind the sealing technique was already active from moments before and her all too real realization and reaction is what is heavily at question. So while we question that, you simply are trying to nit pick every single technique he's been using thus far. First you had problems with the Shinigami and now the Uzumaki Sealing Technique. My thought is you have problems with it all because he is attempting to remove two main components from Ame's RP system. Well if you wanted to butt into that, you should have joined the RP sequence to state your view point and help Masane/Ichirou through Role Play not some pointless discussion. Only reason I'm still posting is because I get a laugh from this thing entirely.
AND FYI, next time someone RPs with me and doesn't acknowledge my already active bijuu cloak, sage mode, minds eye constantly wandering,  and chakra chains protruding out my butt like some sort of Dr. Octopus I will make a forum post and copy and past an RP log from 30 days ago and claim that 'I AM IN CONSTANT RP' Please and Thank you ;) Of course, I will only use Kage for clarification and to back up such a claim because it seems to be perfectly acceptable. lol SL-logic.
There is no question that she is allowed a chance to counter an attacking action made upon her. Especially if she has the means to counter it as well. That's like, basic RP 101. Proper 6-second time frame or silly 2-second time frame, she had the opportunity to counter. You're asking for an auto-hit to be legit. And it's like you didn't even properly read my posts at all. I've already stated that I let the way it was used slide, except for the time frame that the technique required to seal somebody.

Maybe if you guys had some proper reading comprehension to see that she's constantly been RPing, you would have realized sooner that she had her Sharingan active. The logic you're using is area-change logic, which she would have needed to state upon entering a new area that she came in with whatever active. But Masane has constantly been within the village. Whenever I enter a new area, I always make it a point to look back through the commentaries to see if there was anything going or different about an area I am entering. I even ask a few locals if there have been any recent notable events or changes. And if I screw up on a description or something else, then I acknowledge that.

Don't get me started with your susanno kage, and how they go so perfectly well with the lore of naruto-verse. Because thats exactly what you're doing here with the Uzumaki Sealing Technique. BOTH are CANON and not CUSTOM but eventually out of our abuse/repeated usage we have come up with custom utilization for the way we perform them. You claim to give life to your susanoo and let them access sage mode, while I'm just stating that a simple sealing formula can be tattooed onto your person. THIS IS NARUTO, as evident there are tattoos that have chakras within them and this sealing tattoo is one of them. WITH THAT BEING SAID! He doesn't have to use handseals, slam his hands on the ground as prescribed in the wikia. AND WE AREN'T ACTING AS IF THIS IS 'OKAY' BECAUSE IT IS OKAY, OKAY? :D UZumaki Sealing Techniques as tattoos has been a custom/common thing for years so this is not 'on the fly' AT ALL.
People haven't really came to me to say they've had a real problem with it. The only problem people have had, is actually using their brains in figuring out how to not draw attention to themselves and be actual ninja. I'm reasonable with how I use them, and those who step into my territory are already subject to accepting their existence. It's not like I send all of my Susanoo upon every single foreign visitor that passes through. If anything, I give every visitor the IC knowledge of a map of the entire village, and even some notable locations via pamphlet hand-out.

And reincarnation is an actual thing in the lore if one's chakra is powerful enough (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Reincarnation). Though I'm not using a custom method to stick my hand into the Pure Land and do whatever I want with whichever deceased person's soul. Or use a custom variant of the Mayfly that apparently lets me merge within the air itself to auto-exit right after an attack in the same post. That may have been too personal of an example, but oh well.

Now, with this whole vacuum/suction you keep talking about. Well thats what the technique does so I don't know why you are disputing what Kishimoto has intended. The suction happens once the sealing formula is complete and has an intended target ready; in this case and scenario Masane was the intended target and the hand contact made was what was needed. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE WAY I UTILIZE THE TECHNIQUE, I WAS POINTING THAT OUT FOR CLARIFICATION. So since you(Kage) want to think I am only saying this to skew and adjust Yujo's utilization of such, is false. Fine, take it as it was posted. Regardless the sealing technique WILL happen, so I don't get why your arguing. Even if she attempted to attack him, THE SEALNIG TECHNIQUE WILL STILL HAPPEN. Its not like he shut it off once she would respond, he activated it regardless of her response with the assurance that their extremely close contact was more than enough to seal the deal. Yet yourself doesn't seem to understand that. The trap card was activated and Masane fell in the trap.
It's like you're not reading my posts. I don't have so much of a problem with how it was used. I know how it works after citing the resources available to us. I have a problem with the fact that you guys keep saying that Masane has no way to escape. And yeah, the activation of the technique is what triggered Masane to attack. I'm sure that any attacking action would trigger somebody to retaliate. Especially with they have their Sharingan active. The only other technique that comes to mind that is similar to this is Kamui itself. And even then, there are ways to notice that it's going to be used, and ways to escape being sucked into it.

Oh yea sorry I have to display everything to everyone OOCly so they can meta-game against me to make my techniques not work. The element of surprise is noteworthy in such a setting, so no I am not going to detail the specifics of everything unless they come into question like you just questioned them. Please, I have tons of information to give out about my RP and stuff but that doesn't mean I am just going to say it for no reason. You questioned the Uzu Sealing Technique and I answered, simple as that.

Quote from my own biography that was written years ago......
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Granted that most of his sacred sealing techniques are marked on his body; is what makes it seem that his sealing techniques are preformed in an instance.

-Crazy Man Out
Yeah, it's called setting up a profile. I do it, and display all of my information, history, techiques, tools and abilities for anybody to see. If I don't have something on there that's new, then I better bring up a good reason as to why, when and how I was able to pull something out of my ass. Hand seals are a good reason if you're looking for one, and if it's within the ordinary means of doing so. For example: instead of forming a Water Dragon, you want to form a Water Elephant. That's fine if you don't have it listed, just form some hand seals and say that you're forming the water into the shape of an elephant instead and cite that it's similar in use with the Water Dragon Technique. That is something within reason and acceptable to do.

You're making it sound as-if you can't differentiate between OOC knowledge and IC knowledge. Just because everybody has visited my Susanoo Sage Mode page a billion times, doesn't mean that their character has seen it or knows every single aspect of it. The element of surprise can be good when used right. But when you're trying to use it right in front of a Sharingan-user, you screw up.

And so what if you're able to perform them instantly. It just means that you don't gotta use hand seals to activate them. But that doesn't mean the sealing is done instantly. That's called Auto-Hit Jutsu, which is categorized into the Void Techniques. If Yujo was able to perform the same exact deal as you are, he should have cited it within his post. And if truly does insta-seal anybody, then the void would be a lot easier.

I don't really see any other reasoning as to why Masane's post is not possible, unless someone brings it up. Leaving is just the same as submitting in this case.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Deathstroke on September 14, 2015, 06:08:49 PM
Like I said before each side seems convinced at this point. We should just all go our separate ways on this and be done with it since it is just starting to turn into insults and such now.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 14, 2015, 06:15:08 PM
At 1:00PM PST this will be over and decided with. If you wish to continue with your ridiculous claims, and bashing, be my guest, but when the poll closes, you will have no say in anything regarding this matter any further.

Guess it's time to start making some dummy accounts, Kage. :)
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Keito Uzumaki on September 14, 2015, 06:15:32 PM
I'm not even lying when I say, that your correct and I haven't read/caught up with this never ending discussion. Mostly because I don't want too.

But what I am trying to say is, that despite Masane's allowed post, her reaction shouldn't and doesn't stop the sealing technique. Sure it would hinder most of his plans to make it so that she didn't go down as smoothly. But the sealing technique was already activates and the precautionary measures to intact its success. He made close contact and allowed for her to willingly hold his hand so that the 'auto hit' in which you call it activates. Sure she gets to post but the position and situation she was left in makes it highly unlikely that she would get out 'scratch free' and be able to foil the long carried out plan of Yujo since the RP has started. Needless to say she herself said she was groggy and restless, so her 'quick and sudden' realization is too surreal for myself to believe. People who are restless don't perform rational thoughts or actions at a certain point and if you are trying to say the sharingan was active the whole time then her whole context of RP is blatantly incorrect in allowing Yujo to continue the moment he tried to say Ichirou's soul was in the Shinigami, which is wasn't and SHE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. Its like you're trying to award her for making a mistake xD That alone proves that the sharingan wasn't active because she would be able to pick up on his 'intentions' or get an erie feeling and back out before she willingly gave him her hand and thought about what debt she might be required to pay him for such generosity. Only he didn't back up his 'claims' into reviving Ichirou and ended up turning on them both. Yes suddenly she would realize but even then, the trap was more so a success than an auto hit and that is what you don't understand. He beat her fair and square and you are trying to taint his evidence to make it seem inconclusive. If its not the Shinigami then its the Uzu Sealing Technique, if its not the Uzu Sealing Technique its going to be the WAY he used the Uzu Sealing Technique, if its not that, then its just going to be the way his hair curls naturally and how it can't be replicated or something else nonsensical. Honestly if she had amputated her own arm, utilizing some sort of bakuton to actually create a force between them, the sealing technique wouldn't be able to catch up to swallow her entire body into the formula, just the sole arm that was casted off. But now she chose to suddenly know everything and anything that was happening and stopped it before it could stop her. Making it more like a fairy tale than an actual time sequence if anything. Maybe if she was RPing by herself, that could work but she's not and she never was. The Sealing Technique doesn't just go bye bye because of her reaction and that is what I am trying to say. You make it seem like her reaction was full proof 100% get out of jail free but no its not. Sharingan can read minds and tell deception but this whole entire time she couldn't tell she was being deceived until it was OOC made a point and then this whole discussion came aboard. I'm seriously not involved in any team or discussion I am just stating how I view the situation, she was 'defeated' through RP measures nothing else really. Her reaction only further helps such case with an improper one.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Kage on September 14, 2015, 06:32:04 PM
At 1:00PM PST this will be over and decided with. If you wish to continue with your ridiculous claims, and bashing, be my guest, but when the poll closes, you will have no say in anything regarding this matter any further.

Guess it's time to start making some dummy accounts, Kage. :)
Taunting is all you have left? Where's your logical reasoning? We agreed to a discussion, not to a skewed poll that will determine the final outcome of this situation. And even with a poll, we'll have to go through the same ordeal with the Tailed Beast one, where each voter must represent their vote and reasoning to prevent fraudulent voting. But however the poll turns out, it will not effect the outcome of this situation. I still hold the power to allow the RP to continue, dictate what happens, or void it entirely because you willingly accepted those terms upon entering.

I'm not even lying when I say, that your correct and I haven't read/caught up with this never ending discussion. Mostly because I don't want too.

But what I am trying to say is, that despite Masane's allowed post, her reaction shouldn't and doesn't stop the sealing technique. Sure it would hinder most of his plans to make it so that she didn't go down as smoothly. But the sealing technique was already activates and the precautionary measures to intact its success. He made close contact and allowed for her to willingly hold his hand so that the 'auto hit' in which you call it activates. Sure she gets to post but the position and situation she was left in makes it highly unlikely that she would get out 'scratch free' and be able to foil the long carried out plan of Yujo since the RP has started. Needless to say she herself said she was groggy and restless, so her 'quick and sudden' realization is too surreal for myself to believe. People who are restless don't perform rational thoughts or actions at a certain point and if you are trying to say the sharingan was active the whole time then her whole context of RP is blatantly incorrect in allowing Yujo to continue the moment he tried to say Ichirou's soul was in the Shinigami, which is wasn't and SHE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. Its like you're trying to award her for making a mistake xD That alone proves that the sharingan wasn't active because she would be able to pick up on his 'intentions' or get an erie feeling and back out before she willingly gave him her hand and thought about what debt she might be required to pay him for such generosity. Only he didn't back up his 'claims' into reviving Ichirou and ended up turning on them both. Yes suddenly she would realize but even then, the trap was more so a success than an auto hit and that is what you don't understand. He beat her fair and square and you are trying to taint his evidence to make it seem inconclusive. If its not the Shinigami then its the Uzu Sealing Technique, if its not the Uzu Sealing Technique its going to be the WAY he used the Uzu Sealing Technique, if its not that, then its just going to be the way his hair curls naturally and how it can't be replicated or something else nonsensical. Honestly if she had amputated her own arm, utilizing some sort of bakuton to actually create a force between them, the sealing technique wouldn't be able to catch up to swallow her entire body into the formula, just the sole arm that was casted off. But now she chose to suddenly know everything and anything that was happening and stopped it before it could stop her. Making it more like a fairy tale than an actual time sequence if anything. Maybe if she was RPing by herself, that could work but she's not and she never was. The Sealing Technique doesn't just go bye bye because of her reaction and that is what I am trying to say. You make it seem like her reaction was full proof 100% get out of jail free but no its not. Sharingan can read minds and tell deception but this whole entire time she couldn't tell she was being deceived until it was OOC made a point and then this whole discussion came aboard. I'm seriously not involved in any team or discussion I am just stating how I view the situation, she was 'defeated' through RP measures nothing else really. Her reaction only further helps such case with an improper one.
Then why involve yourself in the first place if you haven't even kept up or known what is going on.

It's the equivalent to jumping in to save someone from getting shot by shooting the shooter. Only the sad fact is that you're shooting a cop who is attempting to gun down a school shooter. That may not be the exact situation, but it should help you understand that if you're going to jump into something, you better know what's going on. You should actually be able to contribute to an issue or topic once you have, so you don't make it go around in a circle.

I'll have to go for now, but I'll get back to respond to whatever actual reasoning that hasn't been countered.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Keito Uzumaki on September 14, 2015, 06:41:18 PM
I have the free will societal norms don't impose on me and I can join a discussion without knowing its utmost importance! Of course backed by the undisclosed trolling law of the internet! Jokes as side, I am involved because this discussion reaches no end and I aim to further fuel such fire into nothingness because thats what we are left with! Now raise your pitchforks to the norms because lol-I have sharingan beats all and everything here on SL. Apparently.

Still, I've read what I needed to read and was informed on what was necessary to be informed and still stand by my case that Ichirou's soul is no longer in an edo tensei nor within his own control and that Masane should become apart of the coding formula of Yujo's Uzu Sealing Technique. And now with Masane's counter, Yujo is dealt with being surprise-attacked by explosive measures while his plan nearly completes, being able to respond towards the counter just how Masane was ALLOWED to respond to Yujo's. If his defenses and wording don't free him of Masane's assault then he must pay the price for his mistakes just like how Masane should pay for hers.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Eric on September 14, 2015, 06:48:53 PM
... And now with Masane's counter, Yujo is dealt with being surprise-attacked by explosive measures while his plan nearly completes, being able to respond towards the counter just how Masane was ALLOWED to respond to Yujo's. If his defenses and wording don't free him of Masane's assault then he must pay the price for his mistakes just like how Masane should pay for hers.

I am pretty sure I said something to this swing earlier (without an obvious implication that Masane has no right on her own to be able to counter the surprise attack) but nonetheless, I can agree here. Yujo still has the advantage as far as I am concerned, and at this point, if his counter beats Masane's and accomplishes his original goal, I would be just as satisfied than if Masane managed to force a separation and make a swift getaway.

... I still hold the power to allow the RP to continue, dictate what happens, or void it entirely because you willingly accepted those terms upon entering...

As long as this is just a regular RP and not a biju fight, then yes. But if Ichirou as considered champion/summoner/host (whatever) at the time of this RP, then this is very much the tail end of a biju fight, and you have no authority whatsoever to just void the whole RP at a whim.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Nathan on September 14, 2015, 07:02:34 PM
... I still hold the power to allow the RP to continue, dictate what happens, or void it entirely because you willingly accepted those terms upon entering...

Quote from: Eric
As long as this is just a regular RP and not a biju fight, then yes. But if Ichirou as considered champion/summoner/host (whatever) at the time of this RP, then this is very much the tail end of a biju fight, and you have no authority whatsoever to just void the whole RP at a whim.

This. You can void it if you like, but if everyone decides to go with the poll then you, Ichirou, Masane, and whoever else chooses to agree with you will be locked away within Ame because anyone who has interest in Tailed Beast probably won't engage in RP with any of you. Just saying.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Garō, Ichirou on September 14, 2015, 08:10:04 PM
Just to clear up the biju part of this. Status was to insue after this rp, ao the hachibi isnt connected to it and depending on the proceedings will go to madara or kage
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 14, 2015, 08:17:22 PM
Just to clear up the biju part of this. Status was to insue after this rp, ao the hachibi isnt connected to it and depending on the proceedings will go to madara or kage

Cept I've kinda got Pms to prove otherwise. Strange that you only now come, not to defend your life/Sisters but the beast.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Garō, Ichirou on September 14, 2015, 08:20:38 PM
Theres not really anything i can do. Im just a body as of right now, so all im doing is waiting for things to come to a head. I bring up the beast because i actually have something to say on the beast.

Madara told me i could have the beast before the rp started with you, but i can host it until im revived. So i put it in my bio before you went all twoface on a homie. But since i am either not revived or still am edo i put it as kuchiyose, even if you have my body you dont get the beast, as its not sealed in me.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Becquerel on September 14, 2015, 08:26:05 PM
Wait, if this whole thing gets voided, does that mean almost a month's worth of complaining was all pointless?
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 14, 2015, 08:28:07 PM
Theres not really anything i can do. Im just a body as of right now, so all im doing is waiting for things to come to a head. I bring up the beast because i actually have something to say on the beast.

Madara told me i could have the beast before the rp started with you, but i can host it until im revived. So i put it in my bio before you went all twoface on a homie. But since i am either not revived or still am edo i put it as kuchiyose, even if you have my body you dont get the beast, as its not sealed in me.

And I think that's all we needed to know.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Garō, Ichirou on September 14, 2015, 08:29:04 PM
Meant to say cant host it
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Keito Uzumaki on September 14, 2015, 08:30:20 PM
Wait, if this whole thing gets voided, does that mean almost a month's worth of complaining was all pointless?

Welcome to SL Becq....
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Rusaku on September 14, 2015, 08:40:46 PM
Wait, if this whole thing gets voided, does that mean almost a month's worth of complaining was all pointless?

Welcome to SL Becq....
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Mei on September 14, 2015, 08:41:18 PM
Out of curiosity, do all the SL Clan-Villages have rules like that.
"Abide by the decisions made by the higher ups within the village, even if you don't agree with them."
So does that mean, if a group of people attacked the village AND successfully won, you have the power to void the whole event? That doesn't sound fair. >.>

In regards to the 'Constant RP State', you're saying that as long as the person remains in the same area/village, they do not have to repeat what abilities are held active, even though the person could have remained in the same place without leaving for a whole year?

Anyways, Masane is sleep deprived and gave full trust to Yujo. That's undeniable. Correct?
I feel the whole 'Active Sharingan' can be let go as well as the argument of the 2-second Uzumaki Sealing Tattoo Tech.

I want to focus on the Sleep Deprivation.
"Lack of sleep hurts these cognitive processes in many ways. First, it impairs attention, alertness, concentration, reasoning, and problem solving ... Lack of sleep can affect our interpretation of events. This hurts our ability to make sound judgments because we may not assess situations accurately and act on them wisely."
Taken from 2 & 10 from http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/excessive-sleepiness-10/10-results-sleep-loss

I assume Masane would not even know what is happening until she feels her body being sucked in, right? If that is true, then she does not have the reaction time to even escape the seal, let alone respond to it. If Minato did not 'hiraishin' in time, he would have been stuck in Tobi's dimension and that's from an alert Minato. >.>
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/502/9
I'm using this as an example because I assume the Sealing Tattoo has the same 'suctioning' speed as Kamui.

I feel the real argument is rather or not Masane really have the reaction time to do what she did.
I don't think so. And to be honest, I'm surprised she even posted an attack attempt (still in direct contact with Yujo (and his sealing tattoo) btw), instead of just 'hiraishin'-ing right away. >.>

Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Masane on September 14, 2015, 08:44:55 PM
I think I can say this and not come off as a bitch.

My sharingan has been active since I was in the tower of pain. I went home and then yujo and ichi showed up. Yes I stated being awake for "some time" However I did not state that I was drained or sluggish so no one can say anything to that effect.  You guys even saw the post were I state that my ems is ever active. If you think that is ridiculous then look at itchi. The man always had his sharingan active and his eyes wre not eternal.

Moving on to the actual counter. One cant say that I would not be alerted to a guy I dont know trying to interlock our fingers for no reason. Yes I gave him my hand but I never allowed him to grab me. I even stated that I should have known something was wrong sooner but was blinded by my goal. It was when he tried to grab me that I suspected something. While staring at him, I notice the activation of a seal that I am familiar with.  At the same time the seal was activated,  I release an explosion to stop it.

now in there series when the guy uses the same tech I did, there was no "gathering of chakra" he just threw a punch.  Now how could I be sealed into a seal that was destroyed by an explosion? Why would the explosion not destroy the seal? Why is everyone cool that he used this jutsu wrong? Why is it ok for him to say it took 2 seconds, when it takes 7?

Yes I was unaware of the threat until it happened, but there was no threat until he attacked. He took advantage of my lack of knowledge of the verse in this area which is why I myself did not know something was wrong. Guess I should have paid more attention.  But to sit here and say that there is nothing I could do is staight auto. With my sharingan and knowledge of the seal, 2 seconds or 7, makes no difference, I still had time to react.

Now I was going to blow my whole arm off but then read up on the release.  The landmind fist is capable of destroying a target far bigger than the user without even a recoil. So why is this such a big deal? Just try to counter and shut the hell up. Im down for giving him the chance to post a counter because I dont just do something and say its done, NO MATTER HOW SURE I AM. There is always a way to counter. Im even sure there is a way to counter what I did. But countering it and sticking to his original plan is impossible for the simple fact that the seal would be destroyed. If he can word the post right to where he wont lose his left half then go fr it, but dont sit up here and say a bunch of stuff and never explain why.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Keito Uzumaki on September 14, 2015, 08:47:48 PM
Out of curiosity, do all the SL Clan-Villages have rules like that.
"Abide by the decisions made by the higher ups within the village, even if you don't agree with them."
So does that mean, if a group of people attacked the village AND successfully won, you have the power to void the whole event? That doesn't sound fair. >.>

In regards to the 'Constant RP State', you're saying that as long as the person remains in the same area/village, they do not have to repeat what abilities are held active, even though the person could have remained in the same place without leaving for a whole year?

Anyways, Masane is sleep deprived and gave full trust to Yujo. That's undeniable. Correct?
I feel the whole 'Active Sharingan' can be let go as well as the argument of the 2-second Uzumaki Sealing Tattoo Tech.

I want to focus on the Sleep Deprivation.
"Lack of sleep hurts these cognitive processes in many ways. First, it impairs attention, alertness, concentration, reasoning, and problem solving ... Lack of sleep can affect our interpretation of events. This hurts our ability to make sound judgments because we may not assess situations accurately and act on them wisely."
Taken from 2 & 10 from http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/excessive-sleepiness-10/10-results-sleep-loss

I assume Masane would not even know what is happening until she feels her body being sucked in, right? If that is true, then she does not have the reaction time to even escape the seal, let alone respond to it. If Minato did not 'hiraishin' in time, he would have been stuck in Tobi's dimension and that's from an alert Minato. >.>
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/502/9
I'm using this as an example because I assume the Sealing Tattoo has the same 'suctioning' speed as Kamui.

I feel the real argument is rather or not Masane really have the reaction time to do what she did.
I don't think so. And to be honest, I'm surprised she even posted an attack attempt (still in direct contact with Yujo (and his sealing tattoo) btw), instead of just 'hiraishin'-ing right away. >.>

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So Kage, tell me again how many times are we going to have to repeat ourselves? Its not an auto-hit, its a successful hit and thats what you can't/aren't understanding. She put herself at risk and the risk was being sealed. Its not like being able to open mysterious door number 3 only to become unsatisfied that the 2 other doors had a more fulfilling prize. You can't go back from that same way she can't go back from accepting the risk. The problem that arose is because OOCly she found out Yujo's intentions ICly she will meta game towards her own appropriate end. No way it can be avoided because NOW SHE KNOWS, all the while her character IC never knew.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Rusaku on September 14, 2015, 08:55:01 PM
Out of curiosity, do all the SL Clan-Villages have rules like that.
"Abide by the decisions made by the higher ups within the village, even if you don't agree with them."
So does that mean, if a group of people attacked the village AND successfully won, you have the power to void the whole event? That doesn't sound fair. >.>

In regards to the 'Constant RP State', you're saying that as long as the person remains in the same area/village, they do not have to repeat what abilities are held active, even though the person could have remained in the same place without leaving for a whole year?

Anyways, Masane is sleep deprived and gave full trust to Yujo. That's undeniable. Correct?
I feel the whole 'Active Sharingan' can be let go as well as the argument of the 2-second Uzumaki Sealing Tattoo Tech.

I want to focus on the Sleep Deprivation.
"Lack of sleep hurts these cognitive processes in many ways. First, it impairs attention, alertness, concentration, reasoning, and problem solving ... Lack of sleep can affect our interpretation of events. This hurts our ability to make sound judgments because we may not assess situations accurately and act on them wisely."
Taken from 2 & 10 from http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/excessive-sleepiness-10/10-results-sleep-loss

I assume Masane would not even know what is happening until she feels her body being sucked in, right? If that is true, then she does not have the reaction time to even escape the seal, let alone respond to it. If Minato did not 'hiraishin' in time, he would have been stuck in Tobi's dimension and that's from an alert Minato. >.>
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/502/9
I'm using this as an example because I assume the Sealing Tattoo has the same 'suctioning' speed as Kamui.

I feel the real argument is rather or not Masane really have the reaction time to do what she did.
I don't think so. And to be honest, I'm surprised she even posted an attack attempt (still in direct contact with Yujo (and his sealing tattoo) btw), instead of just 'hiraishin'-ing right away. >.>

It's nice to be on the same page with you for once Mei.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Masane on September 14, 2015, 09:01:58 PM
Okay, so nobody is "going back" im responding to him trying to d grab me and seal me. Not the stuff before. You keep saying it was a success because we were making contact. Sooooooo in order for the seal to work it needs direct contact. Are you saying that anything and everyone the seal touches just instantly takes them and there is nothing to be done? Thats an auto hit.

Again you claim metagaming and cant say how. Im staring at him, he tries to grab my hand closer and I stop that and when the seal activates I create an explosion at the same time.  How is my character reacting to what she sees metagaming? ???
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Deathstroke on September 14, 2015, 09:10:53 PM
Okay, so nobody is "going back" im responding to him trying to d grab me and seal me. Not the stuff before. You keep saying it was a success because we were making contact. Sooooooo in order for the seal to work it needs direct contact. Are you saying that anything and everyone the seal touches just instantly takes them and there is nothing to be done? Thats an auto hit.

Again you claim metagaming and cant say how. Im staring at him, he tries to grab my hand closer and I stop that and when the seal activates I create an explosion at the same time.  How is my character reacting to what she sees metagaming? ???

That's what I've been trying to clear up this whole time.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Court on September 14, 2015, 09:15:45 PM
I skimmed through the role-play, so I could be wrong, but a problem I see is the betrayal component. There was no evidence in the writing to display or hint at his betrayal -- it's kind of like if someone decided to claim they planted mines on a zone but didn't put the effort into writing it at the beginning. It's the same concept. Yujo didn't convey his intention from the get-go, so to me, I voted for keeping them alive. There's really no set-up... as to how/why the group would be meeting... I feel? Because that was done OOC.

Someone can easily write their intentions, it's up to the 'opponent' or other character to discover or investigate that suspicion, to be aware of it. Plenty of people I know have RPed stating that they planned on doing something malicious to a character right at the beginning of the RP but have easily pulled the 'lying/actor/actress' component off, because a character shouldn't know what they plan to do (unless they're like telepathic or something). It's possible it's a difference in SL rping, I suppose.

Because Yujo didn't allude to that behavior until the action, I feel, is kind of a breach of role-play. It's obvious that it was an OOC-related offense, so I'm wondering if it's a breach in character all-together. You haven't updated his personality, and you claim he can be factitious, but the fact of the matter is that he's driven to make Uzu prevail. What was his incentive in doing this, if it doesn't benefit his clan? He didn't even answer as to what brought him into the house (why Masane let him in is obvious: the OOC intention of helping Ichirou out). Reading your personality component of Yujo (based on the wikia), I don't see him doing these sorts of things that would benefit the clan. I don't see the purpose as to why two strangers would even be gathering over something like this. So, to me, I see this as OOC incentive, a character conflict, and that's why I chose to keep them alive. But of course, the twins themselves are at fault for not understanding or being aware of techniques they use... but that's another matter entirely. Had Yujo proclaimed his intention from the get-go, they might have used their critical thinking skills to realize that something was off, but they chose to abide by it because they were under the belief that Yujo was going to help them.

And, well, yeah. That's all I have to say on the matter.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Mei on September 14, 2015, 09:28:31 PM
I think I can say this and not come off as a bitch.

My sharingan has been active since I was in the tower of pain. I went home and then yujo and ichi showed up. Yes I stated being awake for "some time" However I did not state that I was drained or sluggish so no one can say anything to that effect.  You guys even saw the post were I state that my ems is ever active. If you think that is ridiculous then look at itchi. The man always had his sharingan active and his eyes wre not eternal.

Moving on to the actual counter. One cant say that I would not be alerted to a guy I dont know trying to interlock our fingers for no reason. Yes I gave him my hand but I never allowed him to grab me. I even stated that I should have known something was wrong sooner but was blinded by my goal. It was when he tried to grab me that I suspected something. While staring at him, I notice the activation of a seal that I am familiar with.  At the same time the seal was activated,  I release an explosion to stop it.

now in there series when the guy uses the same tech I did, there was no "gathering of chakra" he just threw a punch.  Now how could I be sealed into a seal that was destroyed by an explosion? Why would the explosion not destroy the seal? Why is everyone cool that he used this jutsu wrong? Why is it ok for him to say it took 2 seconds, when it takes 7?

Yes I was unaware of the threat until it happened, but there was no threat until he attacked. He took advantage of my lack of knowledge of the verse in this area which is why I myself did not know something was wrong. Guess I should have paid more attention.  But to sit here and say that there is nothing I could do is staight auto. With my sharingan and knowledge of the seal, 2 seconds or 7, makes no difference, I still had time to react.

Now I was going to blow my whole arm off but then read up on the release.  The landmind fist is capable of destroying a target far bigger than the user without even a recoil. So why is this such a big deal? Just try to counter and shut the hell up. Im down for giving him the chance to post a counter because I dont just do something and say its done, NO MATTER HOW SURE I AM. There is always a way to counter. Im even sure there is a way to counter what I did. But countering it and sticking to his original plan is impossible for the simple fact that the seal would be destroyed. If he can word the post right to where he wont lose his left half then go fr it, but dont sit up here and say a bunch of stuff and never explain why.

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(8d) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane Masane detected Yujo as he drew closer to her home. She stood up and moved to the door just in time to see her brother come up. He had been missing for a long time but she would get to that later. The door opened and she stood there, still in her ninja gear. She had not taken ( c )
(8d) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane the time to unwind. She had been trying to locate Amegakures would be assailent. It was clear from the dark circles under her eyes that she had not slept in a while. "Hey guys, come in." she mumbled as she moved back into her living room in order to ( c )
(8d) <||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane make a thrid attempt to find her target. It was beginning to seem as if the mad would never show himself. As she stared into the crystal ball she spoke. "What brings you guys here?"
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If that's not sleep deprivation, I don't know what is. >.>

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<||||> Uchiha 爆弾 Masane She placed her hand in Yujo's and did what she was told. This proccess was gruesome and she knew Yūjō had to be hurting. She wanted this to be overnas fast as possible. There was nothing she wanted more than to have her brother brought back to her. For this the wonder twins would owe a debt. She began to wonder what she would be made to do. It was times like this that she wished she was not a female.

<||||> 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō | Once his hand was met with Masane's, the warmth of her chakra began washing through him, "What an incredible chakra you have..." He grinned up at her, still slowly channeling chakra into Ichirou. Time passed, and the heart that Yujo had extracted withered away into dust, signifying that this process was nearly complete. With another glance back at her his grin still spread across his face, he interlocked their fingers to bring her hand closer to his own. "Nearly done, but I am growing weak rather quickly." He panted a bit and turned back towards Ichirou who was but a few moments before breathing his first breath of life since death. Though there was an issue here, Yujo had just met these people, why would an Uzumaki make such sacrifice for someone not sharing his blood? Correct answer happened to be, he wasn't. If anyone knew Yujo personally it would not have gone down this way, but the so called wonder twins did not. The tattoos on his hands that rested within Masanes came to life in the form of the Uzumaki Sealing technique, and when the technique was used at such close range, by a user of such mastery, there was no escape to be had. Within the time span of less than 2 seconds would Masane find herself sucked inside of the inscriptions that made up the tattoos on his arm, and forever trapped within them. Considering the amount of trust she had in Yujo, one could doubt that there was much reaction to be had from her, which would make trust the factor that would seal their fate. Once completed, Yujo would simply use another seal to capture Ichirou before any shenanigans were to be had, if any. If all went successfully, he would sealed Masane sealed within his right palm, and ichi in his left.
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Grabbing and interlocking fingers are two different things. You said it yourself, you gave him your hands, where's the grab? o.o

And I bet if Yujo waited 1 more post before revealing his true intentions, you would have let that 'interlocking fingers' bit slide and moved on with the RP. >.>

Every ninjutsu involves 'focusing/melding/gathering' of chakra, it's obviously implied that the character did that upon usage. Also, I think you have a misinterpretation of that jutsu does. It's the area that is being struck that gets blown up. Your hands is in contact with Yujo's hands, so the only thing that Yujo would lose in that situation would be his hands and possibly the lower part of his forearm. He would not be dead. >.>
http://www.narutoforums.com/showpost.php?p=53002560&postcount=560

And why do you keep saying '7 seconds' when Yujo said 2 seconds? Like what gives you the right to change the time duration of his jutsu? o.o
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Eric on September 14, 2015, 09:30:43 PM
Theres not really anything i can do. Im just a body as of right now, so all im doing is waiting for things to come to a head. I bring up the beast because i actually have something to say on the beast.

Madara told me i could have the beast before the rp started with you, but i can host it until im revived. So i put it in my bio before you went all twoface on a homie. But since i am either not revived or still am edo i put it as kuchiyose, even if you have my body you dont get the beast, as its not sealed in me.

Well, if Edo Tensei was released, then you are dead. By the rules the beast would spawn where you died at (the scene of this RP, presumably in Amegakure) after a certain amount of time, so it would not automatically go to anyone. Now might would be a good time to settle on a GM for the beast, preferably one who is not involved in the affair and does not plan on "showing up by chance" at the scene.

Out of curiosity, do all the SL Clan-Villages have rules like that.
"Abide by the decisions made by the higher ups within the village, even if you don't agree with them."
So does that mean, if a group of people attacked the village AND successfully won, you have the power to void the whole event? That doesn't sound fair. >.>...


Though I think that's an extreme example, from my experience, clan halls (not public village boards) have a tendency to work like that, an unsaid benefit of having relatively private clan halls be the location of the village/area. I recall the incident in Kusa going down under a similar basis despite some disagreements from Akatsuki attackers. I could be wrong and these may be exceptions rather than norms.

Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Masane on September 14, 2015, 09:34:30 PM
I put my hand on his yes, but when he tried to interlock our fingers,  I stopped it because it was unnecessary for what he asked of me. Thats all im saying. For him to just say he interlocked them is an auto hit. Especially after I posted stopping him
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Mei on September 14, 2015, 09:43:00 PM
I put my hand on his yes, but when he tried to interlock our fingers,  I stopped it because it was unnecessary for what he asked of me. Thats all im saying. For him to just say he interlocked them is an auto hit. Especially after I posted stopping him

Is the 'interlocking of fingers' considered an auto-hit?
What does the majority say? To me that's a grey area because your hands
But don't say he grabbed you when there's really no grab. >.>

But question, how does Masane (the character) knows that 'interlocking fingers' was not required for the jutsu that Yujo was going to 'use' on Ichiro? Does the character have knowledge of 'this jutsu'?
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Masane on September 14, 2015, 09:44:58 PM
He asked me to funnel chakra into him. Simple contact is needed, nothing more. There is no need to interlock the fingers for what he asked her to do.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Eric on September 14, 2015, 09:52:25 PM
I put my hand on his yes, but when he tried to interlock our fingers,  I stopped it because it was unnecessary for what he asked of me. Thats all im saying. For him to just say he interlocked them is an auto hit. Especially after I posted stopping him

Is the 'interlocking of fingers' considered an auto-hit?
What does the majority say? To me that's a grey area because your hands
But don't say he grabbed you when there's really no grab. >.>

But question, how does Masane (the character) knows that 'interlocking fingers' was not required for the jutsu that Yujo was going to 'use' on Ichiro? Does the character have knowledge of 'this jutsu'?

Well, the last purpose Yujo had spoken of prior to the finger locking attempt, chakra transfer, had been going just fine without finger locking. He did not, as he had previously with other interactions, mention why this extra action was necessary, so it could very well stand out among the interactions between the two.

One of my prior arguments had been that Yujo should not have done such a gesture in the first place if it had not been necessary (since the technique's usage requires physical contact, he could have just started with the sealing and been done with the theatrics).

I don't think it should be automatically assumed that the fingers were interlocked.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Court on September 14, 2015, 09:54:33 PM
I put my hand on his yes, but when he tried to interlock our fingers,  I stopped it because it was unnecessary for what he asked of me. Thats all im saying. For him to just say he interlocked them is an auto hit. Especially after I posted stopping him

Is the 'interlocking of fingers' considered an auto-hit?
What does the majority say? To me that's a grey area because your hands
But don't say he grabbed you when there's really no grab. >.>

But question, how does Masane (the character) knows that 'interlocking fingers' was not required for the jutsu that Yujo was going to 'use' on Ichiro? Does the character have knowledge of 'this jutsu'?

Yeah, it would be an auto-hit if Masane didn't allow for it to happen and he claimed it did in the next post, because he's imposing his fingers and 'action' on the character without her defense, etc.
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Garō, Ichirou on September 14, 2015, 10:07:24 PM
Theres not really anything i can do. Im just a body as of right now, so all im doing is waiting for things to come to a head. I bring up the beast because i actually have something to say on the beast.

Madara told me i could have the beast before the rp started with you, but i can host it until im revived. So i put it in my bio before you went all twoface on a homie. But since i am either not revived or still am edo i put it as kuchiyose, even if you have my body you dont get the beast, as its not sealed in me.

Well, if Edo Tensei was released, then you are dead. By the rules the beast would spawn where you died at (the scene of this RP, presumably in Amegakure) after a certain amount of time, so it would not automatically go to anyone. Now might would be a good time to settle on a GM for the beast, preferably one who is not involved in the affair and does not plan on "showing up by chance" at the scene.

I thought the beast only spawned like that from hosts? The beast hasnt been sealed within me, or technically given to me at all, as it was rp to happen after revival. However we went ahead and gave possession, and planned to do the rp after, so u guess if anything that would count it in Amegakures possession, waiting delegation. but if its that big a deal i can just put it in one of my alts, since it wasnt officially sealed into anything,
Title: Re: Death to the Wondertwins!
Post by: Hitler-Chan on September 14, 2015, 10:11:00 PM
Alrighty peeps. We've been going back and forth for pages and pages of arguments, never once coming to an agreement on basically anything.

So I opened a poll and there was a resounding support for their deaths. I gave 24 hours for people to vote, so that everyone got a chance to do so if they cared about this.

The count was 13-5 in favor of their death, and because of this, the poll has been closed, along with this topic. I'm sure there will be arguments that carry on by the opposition but at this point I cannot forsee and change in opinion from either side.

I wish the Ame team the best and will likely not be seeing you soon.

Thank you.