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Roleplay => All That Is Bijuu => Bijuu Arena => Topic started by: Dart Terumī on January 27, 2017, 09:50:47 PM
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Unlocked the thread for further discussion about other details in the fight such as the one being contested by Athos now.
Athos claims that the long-range Kamui cannot be sped up by using both eyes. Clearly, I believe that it can be as it utilized it in that fashion.
Eric is being brought in to make a decision as both judge and moderator of the case.
My proof that it can be used with both eyes to speed up a long-range Kamui:
http://www.mangainn.net/manga/chapter/89036_naruto-chapter-595/page_19
Obito uses his 'Right Eye Kamui (REK)' to negate Kakashi's 'Left Eye Kamui (LEK)' from affecting the Jūbi despite not in physical contact with the beast. This implies that physical contact isn't always required to activate a second layer of Kamui on a target.
http://www.mangainn.net/manga/chapter/123699_naruto-chapter-685/page_5
Obito is using both eyes to synchronize with Kaguya's portal in order to speed up the time it takes to utilize the LEK in conjunction with the REK so he use the REK to teleport into the dimension.
http://www.mangainn.net/manga/chapter/117753_naruto-chapter-666/page_16
http://www.mangainn.net/manga/chapter/117753_naruto-chapter-666/page_17
Both use Kamui in the same second to enhance the speed of Kamui itself, Kakashi using his LEK to enhance Obito's REK to teleport quicker.
http://www.mangainn.net/manga/chapter/120958_naruto-chapter-675
http://www.mangainn.net/manga/chapter/120958_naruto-chapter-675/page_4
Another instance where Obito uses his Kamui to utilize the teleportation aspect to teleport Sakura without touching her.
http://www.mangainn.net/manga/chapter/123240_naruto-chapter-683/page_16
Proof that both eyes can create two portals that are connected.
http://www.mangainn.net/manga/chapter/123699_naruto-chapter-685/page_9
http://www.mangainn.net/manga/chapter/123699_naruto-chapter-685/page_10
http://www.mangainn.net/manga/chapter/123699_naruto-chapter-685/page_13
http://www.mangainn.net/manga/chapter/123699_naruto-chapter-685/page_14
http://www.mangainn.net/manga/chapter/123699_naruto-chapter-685/page_15 *
Both eyes are bleeding from usage as both eyes are being used to open up the portals inside Kaguya's dimension.
*This one is specifically and deliberately using his REK to open the portal without needing physical contact.
http://www.mangainn.net/manga/chapter/124060_naruto-chapter-686/page_20
Again, he is using the REK to send off another item that isn't in physical touch with him.
Honorable mentions that physical contact isn't required to activate the REK would be every time he pulled an item from his dimension and utilized it in combat....that would be a lot of spreads to hunt down. I feel as if the ones I've provided are more than enough evidence to support the claim that both Kamui's can be used in conjunction to create a double Kamui on a fixed location without needing physical contact.
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Dato, a brand new thread, even with same title, would have been more appropiate. As a mod I must say that the conversation would be much cleaner that way, or a new thread where all disagreements and judge decisions would be transparently talked about.
As a judge, I would like to remind you that moderation has nothing to do with it since, to my knowledge, you two haven't gone at it like a Bockay fight.
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Dato, a brand new thread, even with same title, would have been more appropiate. As a mod I must say that the conversation would be much cleaner that way, or a new thread where all disagreements and judge decisions would be transparently talked about.
As a judge, I would like to remind you that moderation has nothing to do with it since, to my knowledge, you two haven't gone at it like a Bockay fight.
Better? :P
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Dato, a brand new thread, even with same title, would have been more appropiate. As a mod I must say that the conversation would be much cleaner that way, or a new thread where all disagreements and judge decisions would be transparently talked about.
As a judge, I would like to remind you that moderation has nothing to do with it since, to my knowledge, you two haven't gone at it like a Bockay fight.
Better? :P
Yes, young grasshopper. With great power comes great responsibility. Going around unlocking and posting in other peoples threads is not really responsible. :P
Anyways, I am going to let Athos post next so that all three of us are clear on what is still an issue and what has been nipped.
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Dato, a brand new thread, even with same title, would have been more appropiate. As a mod I must say that the conversation would be much cleaner that way, or a new thread where all disagreements and judge decisions would be transparently talked about.
As a judge, I would like to remind you that moderation has nothing to do with it since, to my knowledge, you two haven't gone at it like a Bockay fight.
Better? :P
Yes, young grasshopper. With great power comes great responsibility. Going around unlocking and posting in other peoples threads is not really responsible. :P
Anyways, I am going to let Athos post next so that all three of us are clear on what is still an issue and what has been nipped.
Yay, I'm learning! Forgive me, sensei. I did not know. I shall do better next time!
Also, these posts can be deleted so we can stick to the convo at hand.
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Ok before we go at the vagaries of Kamui I'd like to settle the more pressing matter first. Dart's attack is grounds for disqualification.
Failure to abide by the universal void list will result in a automatic disqualification.
Is the rule and that void list includes
Claiming to use an "undodgable/unavoidable/unblockable" attack
Here is Dart's description of his double Kamui
"Dart did not display any negative emotion in his activation of his technique as he was remaining in control of his emotions so there wasn't a chance for Athos to detect the activation via Negative Emotions. His chakra presence is also masked due to his prior buffs, so Athos can't detect the buildup of chakra in his eyes. The only real way he would have known about the attack is when it hit and then his torso would be gone. His brain would continue for a brief moment of time before shutting down and in that time, he would know that even a God can fall."
"The only real way he would have known about the attack is when it hit and then his torso would be gone."
His post explicitly says that the only thing I will perceive about his attack is it killing me. There is no "attempts to" no "Perhaps, maybe, if he's unable to dodge" just you can't sense this attack and now you are dead. That is an unavoidable move and I believe Dart should be disqualified as the rules specify immediate disqualification for a failure to abide by the void list.
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Ok before we go at the vagaries of Kamui I'd like to settle the more pressing matter first. Dart's attack is grounds for disqualification.
Failure to abide by the universal void list will result in a automatic disqualification.
Is the rule and that void list includes
Claiming to use an "undodgable/unavoidable/unblockable" attack
Here is Dart's description of his double Kamui
"Dart did not display any negative emotion in his activation of his technique as he was remaining in control of his emotions so there wasn't a chance for Athos to detect the activation via Negative Emotions. His chakra presence is also masked due to his prior buffs, so Athos can't detect the buildup of chakra in his eyes. The only real way he would have known about the attack is when it hit and then his torso would be gone. His brain would continue for a brief moment of time before shutting down and in that time, he would know that even a God can fall."
"The only real way he would have known about the attack is when it hit and then his torso would be gone."
His post explicitly says that the only thing I will perceive about his attack is it killing me. There is no "attempts to" no "Perhaps, maybe, if he's unable to dodge" just you can't sense this attack and now you are dead. That is an unavoidable move and I believe Dart should be disqualified as the rules specify immediate disqualification for a failure to abide by the void list.
Except you posted the EXACT same way and thing with your death balls.
But that wasn't all, thanks to the fact that he had known exactly where everyone had been, Athos would have known where to send the blasts so that they threatened everyone on the battlefield beneath him. A total of twenty-five blasts of Senjutsu, Bijuu enhanced dust release balls would have come swarming towards Kamui Uchiha, Taumaster, Jay Nara, and Dart Terumi. But the attacks didn't just come from straight up, they came down and made sure to swarm each of the opponents, closing off a plethora of directional escapes that they could make. Seeing the bolt of lightning that would hit Kamui should catch him off guard, with Taumaster's attack and Dart's own furthering it into an acid mist sort of thing, the blasts came around and down, from the sides and behinds, as well as above. It aimed to litter him full of holes. But the same could be said about Taumaster and Jay, though they both had the most time to try and think of how they would defend themselves before the blasts came from all angles and tried to turn them into Swiss as well. That only left Dart, who was airborne but the closest to Athos and the attacks, which aimed to come down and around the man so to close off his escape and almost chase him towards the ground like a falling cage before he would meet a gruesome death like the lot of them. With this attack, though it never worked the way anyone wanted, Athos hoped to end this Free For All.
It's exactly the same way you word your techniques in everything you do, especially this passage. So then you should be on grounds for disqualification as well. <<
Kamui itself is not an unavoidable move. There was plenty of ways to avoid it. It just so happens that in this particular instance, your guard was down and it launched at such a high speed that it would hit.
Though, if you are God you claim to be, then utilizing your Deadzone Creation would *gasp* nullify it as it would cease all chakra in the zone. Wait..did I just tell you how to beat it? Damn, must mean that it ain't unavoidable/undetectable/undodgable.
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But the same could be said about Taumaster and Jay, though they both had the most time to try and think of how they would defend themselves before the blasts came from all angles and tried to turn them into Swiss as well. That only left Dart, who was airborne but the closest to Athos and the attacks, which aimed to come down and around the man so to close off his escape and almost chase him towards the ground like a falling cage before he would meet a gruesome death like the lot of them. With this attack, though it never worked the way anyone wanted, Athos hoped to end this Free For All.
It explicitly say there would be time for them to defend themselves and that though I hope to kill everyone attacks don't always work out the way you want them to.
Also the fact that your suggested counter is I meta-game and use Deadzone for no reason to negate an attack I cannot perceive until after it was already killed me is just further evidence of how god mod it is.
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But the same could be said about Taumaster and Jay, though they both had the most time to try and think of how they would defend themselves before the blasts came from all angles and tried to turn them into Swiss as well. That only left Dart, who was airborne but the closest to Athos and the attacks, which aimed to come down and around the man so to close off his escape and almost chase him towards the ground like a falling cage before he would meet a gruesome death like the lot of them. With this attack, though it never worked the way anyone wanted, Athos hoped to end this Free For All.
It explicitly say there would be time for them to defend themselves and that though I hope to kill everyone attacks don't always work out the way you want them to.
Also the fact that your suggested counter is I meta-game and use Deadzone for no reason to negate an attack I cannot perceive until after it was already killed me is just further evidence of how god mod it is.
Not for Dart. You allowed no room for him to dodge by the way you explicitly wrote it. <<
Dont you have your Way of the Fist training that 'slows down time'?
Did you forget that Kamui creates a time-space barrier first which then absorbs the item in question?
Are you saying that your Way of the Fist training would not be able to comprehend that your body is caught in a barrier that you've seen before and then utilize your failsafe tech to prevent it from being sucked away?
EDIT: If your Way of the Fist is faster than a lightning bolt speed, then it surely would be able to detect a barrier on your body. Surely.
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I don't really see how this is even an argument, the move is an auto-hit. Dart did not take advantage of anything Athos was doing. His guard isn't down he's literally in Sage Mode using Mind's Eye of the Kagura, he couldn't be more on guard, the attack is just completely imperceptible regardless of that.
Like he said there's no way anyone could avoid an attack they can't perceive until after it has killed them without meta-gaming something to preempt it. I also agree the move is grounds for disqualification.
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Whoa, why was my name dropped? I dodged the attack >.> and know how Athos could dodge this one.
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Saying my attack surrounds you and leaves you no room to physically move out of the way is not a god mod unavoidable move.
Saying I'm dead before I know you attacked me and there's nothing I could do about it despite having all my sensory abilities active is an unavoidable move.
It's really not complicated.
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But the same could be said about Taumaster and Jay, though they both had the most time to try and think of how they would defend themselves before the blasts came from all angles and tried to turn them into Swiss as well. That only left Dart, who was airborne but the closest to Athos and the attacks, which aimed to come down and around the man so to close off his escape and almost chase him towards the ground like a falling cage before he would meet a gruesome death like the lot of them. With this attack, though it never worked the way anyone wanted, Athos hoped to end this Free For All.
It explicitly say there would be time for them to defend themselves and that though I hope to kill everyone attacks don't always work out the way you want them to.
Also the fact that your suggested counter is I meta-game and use Deadzone for no reason to negate an attack I cannot perceive until after it was already killed me is just further evidence of how god mod it is.
Not for Dart. You allowed no room for him to dodge by the way you explicitly wrote it. <<
Dont you have your Way of the Fist training that 'slows down time'?
Did you forget that Kamui creates a time-space barrier first which then absorbs the item in question?
Are you saying that your Way of the Fist training would not be able to comprehend that your body is caught in a barrier that you've seen before and then utilize your failsafe tech to prevent it from being sucked away?
EDIT: If your Way of the Fist is faster than a lightning bolt speed, then it surely would be able to detect a barrier on your body. Surely.
Only edit is adding the color to highlight the passages Athos completely glanced over.
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Whoa, why was my name dropped? I dodged the attack >.> and know how Athos could dodge this one.
Thank you, sir.
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So your argument is that you can write an attack that is completely god mod and it's my responsibility to find a way to avoid it anyway and retroactively make it fair? That doesn't make any sense.
As it's written now it's an unavoidable attack and that's against the rules.
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Saying my attack surrounds you and leaves you no room to physically move out of the way is not a god mod unavoidable move.
Saying I'm dead before I know you attacked me and there's nothing I could do about it despite having all my sensory abilities active is an unavoidable move.
It's really not complicated.
And yes it does. You don't know that Dart has Kamui to phase through the assault. And you already cleared stated that it would punch through any defenses such as Susanoo.
So, your move is an auto-hit as well and is grounds for disqualification due to being unavoidable.
In the same manner, I wrote it out that Dart would win because he doesn't know ICly what Athos possesses. Which, as ive already stated, would be your Way of the Fist 'slowing down time' to detect the barrier on his body which would then use Deadzone Creation to nullify the Kamui.
The Kamui isn't unavoidable.
Your death balls aren't unavoidable.
Despite the way either one of us wrote it out.
So your argument is that you can write an attack that is completely god mod and it's my responsibility to find a way to avoid it anyway and retroactively make it fair? That doesn't make any sense.
As it's written now it's an unavoidable attack and that's against the rules.
There is not retroactivity as your Way of Fist training is already active. I wouldn't even be mad if you countered it exactly as I'm saying.
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Yeah it's Dust Release that's what it does.
You do not know what an auto-hit is then.
If a move is written in a way that's clearly god mod what I can or cannot do about it is irrelevant, I should not have to acknowledge it.
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Yeah it's Dust Release that's what it does.
You do not know what an auto-hit is then.
If a move is written in a way that's clearly god mod what I can or cannot do about it is irrelevant, I should not have to acknowledge it.
Doesn't matter what type it is. Claiming that nothing can be done to stop it and not being able to dodge is an auto-hit.
A God-Mod move is not being able to do anything about the technique that is being used.
Fortunately for you, you ARE able to do something about the move regardless of how it is written.
Seriously? This entire fucking argument is pointless. We are both in the wrong. Yet we both have options to avoid the moves regardless of how they are written.
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Athos murder balls of murdering people isn't unavoidable nor is it an auto hit though. It talking about punching through the Susano'o was just noting it's strength. Nobody even has one active. What is unavoidable/autohit/unblockable is the acid rain. You can't avoid it, because it's everywhere. You can't block it, once again everywhere. And since it's everywhere, it's gonna hit you. And it has properties of dissolving Biju Chakra, when it wasn't enhanced by Biju Chakra, what's up with that? But that doesn't matter, just an example.
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Athos murder balls of murdering people isn't unavoidable nor is it an auto hit though. It talking about punching through the Susano'o was just noting it's strength. Nobody even has one active. What is unavoidable/autohit/unblockable is the acid rain. You can't avoid it, because it's everywhere. You can't block it, once again everywhere. And since it's everywhere, it's gonna hit you. And it has properties of dissolving Biju Chakra, when it wasn't enhanced by Biju Chakra, what's up with that? But that doesn't matter, just an example.
Athos allowed you and Shadow and Kamui to dodge it because of how he wrote it.
Bijū chakra isn't a special type of chakra. Just enhances your already pre-existing chakra and gives you various buffs. You don't need bijū vs bijū to match.
The rain clouds can be blown away or you use protection like Shadow did. It's not an instantaneous effect. It had a medium effect to dissolve things.
Regardless, what Athos is complaining about is wording. So I'll complain about his as well.
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I think I have sat back and read about enough on this matter. :-?
By principle, if every attack is easily dodgeable, then this free for all would go on forever, unless you're like Kamui and forget an attack or two, in which case it would probably still take awhile for this to conclude.
Claiming to use an "undodgable/unavoidable/unblockable" attack
Undetectable is not included, so technically using an attack that is either extremely fast or not detectable is the only way for any of you to catch each other off guard. Dato's post stated:
The only real way he would have known about the attack is when it hit and then his torso would be gone.
The Kamui process is: activation, barrier forms, space-time ninjutsu magic sucks in or spits out stuff, Kamui is deactivated, space-time ninjutsu magic ceases, and then barrier dissipates. Dato's claim is that this happens in half a second, an incredibly small interval of time to react even by SL standards.
I searched the discussion thread for the rules, and unfortunately, not much context is given under which said rule was made, and so only what is written is what I have to reliably go by. The attack is not, generally speaking, unavoidable (as in, with a certain combination of things it can be countered) as has already been professed in this thread even by the technique user. He is not claiming his attack to be unavoidable. An individual who can react at the microsecond level and have certain methods can dodge this attack.
Equally important though is that Dato does not unleash his Kamui attack until after Athos launches his attack and Dato dodges. Now, while the dust release may travel however fast, to assume that Athos simply falls towards the ground after seeing that his attack on Dato failed (because yes, he would be able to detect that Dat pursued him at least up until he leaves the clouds, so he is not ignorant to Dato's presence) is not reasonable, giving more time for Athos to react.
The question then, is what does he do with this time? Well, as a zoner, that is up for him to decide at this point. If he wants to argue that the double Kamui is not possible then that is a logical next step. If he wants to argue that Dato should be skewered due to inadeuate dodging, then by all means. As the judge though, I rule that the attack does not violate the Competition rules.
TlDrNeither of their attacks violate the rules as far as I am concerned.
What's next on the docket?
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I think I have sat back and read about enough on this matter. :-?
By principle, if every attack is easily dodgeable, then this free for all would go on forever, unless you're like Kamui and forget an attack or two, in which case it would probably still take awhile for this to conclude.
Claiming to use an "undodgable/unavoidable/unblockable" attack
Undetectable is not included, so technically using an attack that is either extremely fast or not detectable is the only way for any of you to catch each other off guard. Dato's post stated:
The only real way he would have known about the attack is when it hit and then his torso would be gone.
The Kamui process is: activation, barrier forms, space-time ninjutsu magic sucks in or spits out stuff, Kamui is deactivated, space-time ninjutsu magic ceases, and then barrier dissipates. Dato's claim is that this happens in half a second, an incredibly small interval of time to react even by SL standards.
I searched the discussion thread for the rules, and unfortunately, not much context is given under which said rule was made, and so only what is written is what I have to reliably go by. The attack is not, generally speaking, unavoidable (as in, with a certain combination of things it can be countered) as has already been professed in this thread even by the technique user. He is not claiming his attack to be unavoidable. An individual who can react at the microsecond level and have certain methods can dodge this attack.
Equally important though is that Dato does not unleash his Kamui attack until after Athos launches his attack and Dato dodges. Now, while the dust release may travel however fast, to assume that Athos simply falls towards the ground after seeing that his attack on Dato failed (because yes, he would be able to detect that Dat pursued him at least up until he leaves the clouds, so he is not ignorant to Dato's presence) is not reasonable, giving more time for Athos to react.
The question then, is what does he do with this time? Well, as a zoner, that is up for him to decide at this point. If he wants to argue that the double Kamui is not possible then that is a logical next step. If he wants to argue that Dato should be skewered due to inadeuate dodging, then by all means. As the judge though, I rule that the attack does not violate the Competition rules.
TlDrNeither of their attacks violate the rules as far as I am concerned.
What's next on the docket?
I knew there was a reason why I chose Eric. So awesome!
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Ok Eric counter this move for me then.
"I Kamui your torso away. The first thing you would perceive about this attack is that your torso is gone and you are dead."
So please, since it's a fair move tell me how you'd counter that.
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Next on the docket would be Athos believing his Dust Balls would have hit Dart.
Dart is still in his undetectable buff once he pops through the clouds.
Athos would be able to know that he was followed, yes. But he wouldn't be able to tell exactly where Dart would be exactly.
So, in my mind, the 25 that had been meant for Dart would scatter randomly around the last known position of where he had been. So the only real threat would be then be an accidental clipping from the other groups meant for the other contestants. Dart has his Sharingan active and is insanely light due to the reduced gravity. He's completely feasible that he could perceive their movements and dodge the ones that got too close to his position.
Athos didn't specify when he had activated his death balls. Only a generalization that he did it once he was through the clouds. So I took that to assume he activated it at the peak of his jump.
All of which I've already pointed out in the beginning of my post.
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Yeah I've still got the one more question about your god modding so as soon as Eric answers that I'll be satisfied and we can move on.
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Yeah I've still got the one more question about your god modding so as soon as Eric answers that I'll be satisfied and we can move on.
Eric has already made his ruling on it.
It doesn't violate any of the rules, thus it ain't god-modding.
Move on to the next segment so this fight can move on.
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Yeah I've still got the one more question about your god modding so as soon as Eric answers that I'll be satisfied and we can move on.
Eric has already made his ruling on it.
It doesn't violate any of the rules, thus it ain't god-modding.
Move on to the next segment so this fight can move on.
I have a question and I'd like it to be answered, I think that's a pretty simple request. As I said once Eric answers this question about how he would avoid your completely fair move I'll be satisfied and we can move on.
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Yeah I've still got the one more question about your god modding so as soon as Eric answers that I'll be satisfied and we can move on.
Eric has already made his ruling on it.
It doesn't violate any of the rules, thus it ain't god-modding.
Move on to the next segment so this fight can move on.
I have a question and I'd like it to be answered, I think that's a pretty simple request. As I said once Eric answers this question about how he would avoid your completely fair move I'll be satisfied and we can move on.
Except the move isn't being used on him and your question is completely rhetorical, hypothetical, and being used to stall the entire fight.
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You can whine and complain all you want I still want an answer to my question and if you think your move is as fair as you claim it is you have nothing to lose by letting me get an answer. The only one stalling here is you. If the question was answered I'd be happy to move on.
Eric is a former Sannin of Konoha, Jinchuriki of the 5 Tails, and Leader of the Nara Clan. If your move is fair he should be able to avoid dying to it.
So, again, "I Kamui away your torso. The first thing you perceive about this attack is that your torso is gone and you are dead. You are in Sage Mode, have Mind's Eye of the Kagura active and have Negative Emotions Sensing. None of that helps you in any way."
Completely fair, obviously, so how does he avoid it?
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You can whine and complain all you want I still want an answer to my question and if you think your move is as fair as you claim it is you have nothing to lose by letting me get an answer. The only one stalling here is you. If the question was answered I'd be happy to move on.
Eric is a former Sannin of Konoha, Jinchuriki of the 5 Tails, and Leader of the Nara Clan. If your move is fair he should be able to avoid dying to it.
So, again, "I Kamui away your torso. The first thing you perceive about this attack is that your torso is gone and you are dead. You are in Sage Mode, have Mind's Eye of the Kagura active and have Negative Emotions Sensing. None of that helps you in any way."
Completely fair, obviously, so how does he avoid it?
The only person whining and complaining is you because you didn't get the ruling in your favor and since it's your post in the fight, you are also the only one stalling.
I've expressedly explained how your character can avoid the entire situation but that's just not good enough for you, huh?
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I'm locking this thread until Eric makes his reply.
He has permission to unlock it. But only he.
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Ok Eric counter this move for me then.
"I Kamui your torso away. The first thing you would perceive about this attack is that your torso is gone and you are dead."
So please, since it's a fair move tell me how you'd counter that.
Athos, I have already explained the reasoning why that is not the procession of events in the actual posting.
I will humor you and say that if Eric were in your actual situation, so high in the air with dragon sage mode active and Kokuo's chakra cloak still, I would use this:
Time was of the essence indeed, for as his opponent activated Kamui, Eric would still be in the midst of his demolitions attempt (at the withdrawing kunai stage). With sage mode, the man would pick up on the distortion of space, and adjust his throw so that his throw would block the line of sight that his opponent had on his knee. In essence, rather than taking his knee then, his foe would take only a single explosively tagged kunai before Eric let loose his throw.
This adjustment was noted to be possible and prepared for in the previous post; nonetheless, once realizing that his opponent had the likes of Kamui in his arsenal from the chakra forming the space distortion, Eric leaped backwards a few feet, likely thwarting or at least reducing the effectiveness of any adjustments that his own quarry would have made once realizing Eric's counter...
As a basis to state that every moment was crucial. However, since the timeframe is 1/2 a second before the Kamui is finished, then I would have to take advantage of everything before that exact moment. Adjusting for what I have in my arsenal compared to yours and the scenario as again dictated by my ruling post:
Now, had Dato executed his attack the moment that Eric had emerged through the clouds, perhaps he would have the shadow dragon man like fish in a barrel. However, he had instead waited until after he finished his attack to begin. What Eric would know, upon starting his attack, was that the most slippery of his quarries had decided to come join him in the troposphere. One would think it pointless, then, to continue launching the balls of molten disintegration down towards Dato.
Not the case, for there was one thing that Dato had not considered; though sending the balls down to Dato's last known location would unwittingly send the man into a dodging frenzy, Eric would manfiest a legion of leaves from seemingly thin air, all of which would start by surrounding Eric and then spreading outwards in an attempt to locate his quarry, who would be tangible enough to be felt by the leaves (again, ruling out Kamui intangibility using shadow imitation sensory, a similar vein which Athos would have mind's eye determine that Dato was solid via the raindrops).
This would also block Dato's eyesight of Eric, including his torso, large and well built as it was, due to the sheer density of the leaves that bore his chakra signature. A cover that was meant to mimick the Hidden mist technique in effectiveness, and force this quarry to either reveal himself with a more telling jutsu or retreat out of the range of the leaves. Either way, Dato would need to either think twice about tangling with the wind dragon or come up with an approach that would deal with the leaves.
Athos' vision of only being able to dodge once Dato starts his attack is incorrect as far as my ruling goes, and so with that opinion I formulate my response. As the judge, my ruling on the matter is the one that would carry just short of another judge boot or something to that extreme, so that is how I replied.
Dart, seriously, take it easy with your new abilities. They are not to be used just whenever you feel like it, but when actually necessary.
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Just drift lazily to the left... those are some expert maneuvers right there!
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Just drift lazily to the left... those are some expert maneuvers right there!
Kakashi + Naruto vs Deidara should tell you that that wouldnt' be enough.
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Ok Eric counter this move for me then.
"I Kamui your torso away. The first thing you would perceive about this attack is that your torso is gone and you are dead."
So please, since it's a fair move tell me how you'd counter that.
Athos, I have already explained the reasoning why that is not the procession of events in the actual posting.
I will humor you and say that if Eric were in your actual situation, so high in the air with dragon sage mode active and Kokuo's chakra cloak still, I would use this:
Time was of the essence indeed, for as his opponent activated Kamui, Eric would still be in the midst of his demolitions attempt (at the withdrawing kunai stage). With sage mode, the man would pick up on the distortion of space, and adjust his throw so that his throw would block the line of sight that his opponent had on his knee. In essence, rather than taking his knee then, his foe would take only a single explosively tagged kunai before Eric let loose his throw.
This adjustment was noted to be possible and prepared for in the previous post; nonetheless, once realizing that his opponent had the likes of Kamui in his arsenal from the chakra forming the space distortion, Eric leaped backwards a few feet, likely thwarting or at least reducing the effectiveness of any adjustments that his own quarry would have made once realizing Eric's counter...
As a basis to state that every moment was crucial. However, since the timeframe is 1/2 a second before the Kamui is finished, then I would have to take advantage of everything before that exact moment. Adjusting for what I have in my arsenal compared to yours and the scenario as again dictated by my ruling post:
Now, had Dato executed his attack the moment that Eric had emerged through the clouds, perhaps he would have the shadow dragon man like fish in a barrel. However, he had instead waited until after he finished his attack to begin. What Eric would know, upon starting his attack, was that the most slippery of his quarries had decided to come join him in the troposphere. One would think it pointless, then, to continue launching the balls of molten disintegration down towards Dato.
Not the case, for there was one thing that Dato had not considered; though sending the balls down to Dato's last known location would unwittingly send the man into a dodging frenzy, Eric would manfiest a legion of leaves from seemingly thin air, all of which would start by surrounding Eric and then spreading outwards in an attempt to locate his quarry, who would be tangible enough to be felt by the leaves (again, ruling out Kamui intangibility using shadow imitation sensory, a similar vein which Athos would have mind's eye determine that Dato was solid via the raindrops).
This would also block Dato's eyesight of Eric, including his torso, large and well built as it was, due to the sheer density of the leaves that bore his chakra signature. A cover that was meant to mimick the Hidden mist technique in effectiveness, and force this quarry to either reveal himself with a more telling jutsu or retreat out of the range of the leaves. Either way, Dato would need to either think twice about tangling with the wind dragon or come up with an approach that would deal with the leaves.
Athos' vision of only being able to dodge once Dato starts his attack is incorrect as far as my ruling goes, and so with that opinion I formulate my response. As the judge, my ruling on the matter is the one that would carry just short of another judge boot or something to that extreme, so that is how I replied.
Dart, seriously, take it easy with your new abilities. They are not to be used just whenever you feel like it, but when actually necessary.
All of this.
And I thought it was necessary to lock it because we would just keep going back and forth and back and forth, eventually leading into a mud-slinging fight rather than constructive critiques and solid conversation.
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...And I thought it was necessary to lock it because we would just keep going back and forth and back and forth, eventually leading into a mud-slinging fight rather than constructive critiques and solid conversation.
Dato, you are a moderator now. Athos was perfectly fine waiting for my reply along with Shadow and Jay; you are the only one who essentially told Athos: "No, you are just whining, you do not deserve a response".
You not posting and waiting for my response as well would have nipped this much less aggressively. If you want to talk more on it we can take this part of the discussion to PM's.
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Just drift lazily to the left... those are some expert maneuvers right there!
Kakashi + Naruto vs Deidara should tell you that that wouldnt' be enough.
Lol, I know
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So you can't counter it is what you're saying. You need to retro-post an action before this imperceptible Kamui that kills you in .5 seconds and block it entirely incidentally. I mean that makes sense, no move is really unavoidable when you can just rp dodging them all by accident. Yeah that's about what I expected. As I said I'm satisfied now we can move on.
I said in my post, "Once he was above the clouds, Athos hands easily weaved three handseals and then threw themselves directly into the air as he released his jutsu."
So as soon as I breach the clouds I do my jutsu, so I don't know where Dart is getting this I didn't specify when I was doing it idea.
So since Dart's entire defense revolved around the fact that I didn't launch my attack until he was able to fly completely up after me and become undetectable again, thus making my attack completely blind firing against him, he should be struck by my attack instead.
He can fly yes but my movement is going to be much more explosive and quick. He said he would follow after me, meaning I've already jumped past him before he starts to move. Even if he's got his back up against the clouds I do my attack as soon as I breach them so since he doesn't follow me until after I've passed him this means logically he should be flying straight into my attack. He could have perhaps also breached the clouds right as the attack is launched point blank at him but since I would see the clouds part where he pushed through that would still allow me to rain the blasts down all around him and kill him.
Basically it should kill him since he couldn't be bothered to just Kamui through it like a normal person.
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So you can't counter it is what you're saying. You need to retro-post an action before this imperceptible Kamui that kills you in .5 seconds and block it entirely incidentally. I mean that makes sense, no move is really unavoidable when you can just rp dodging them all by accident. Yeah that's about what I expected. As I said I'm satisfied now we can move on.
I said in my post, "Once he was above the clouds, Athos hands easily weaved three handseals and then threw themselves directly into the air as he released his jutsu."
So as soon as I breach the clouds I do my jutsu, so I don't know where Dart is getting this I didn't specify when I was doing it idea.
So since Dart's entire defense revolved around the fact that I didn't launch my attack until he was able to fly completely up after me and become undetectable again, thus making my attack completely blind firing against him, he should be struck by my attack instead.
He can fly yes but my movement is going to be much more explosive and quick. He said he would follow after me, meaning I've already jumped past him before he starts to move. Even if he's got his back up against the clouds I do my attack as soon as I breach them so since he doesn't follow me until after I've passed him this means logically he should be flying straight into my attack. He could have perhaps also breached the clouds right as the attack is launched point blank at him but since I would see the clouds part where he pushed through that would still allow me to rain the blasts down all around him and kill him.
Basically it should kill him since he couldn't be bothered to just Kamui through it like a normal person.
You never specified that you cast it as soon as you breached the clouds like a normal person would have stated. So, yeah, I'm going to pick apart your wording and make it suit me. If you wanted your jutsu blasted once you breached the clouds, then you would have said "as soon as he breaches the cloud, he uses his technique" but you didn't.
So I took it to assume that your momentum would keep you going up and having to come to a near stop as moving at the velocity that you state would mean your arms would be pinned to your side less you risk the possibility of having them ripped off by your own velocity.
Your leap isn't as quick as you'd like to believe when against someone who isn't truly affected my gravity like you are. You don't have any Gates open to augment your speed. A bijū cloak is just a shroud of chakra and Sage Mode just increases the strength of your jutsu. Yeah, you may be strong and fast, but Dart is as well as more nimble.
Dart also gained distance when he 'followed' Athos so the blast wouldn't even be remotely point-blank either. Specified the exact distance of 30 yards. Specified. Specifications.
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So you can't counter it is what you're saying. You need to retro-post an action before this imperceptible Kamui that kills you in .5 seconds and block it entirely incidentally. I mean that makes sense, no move is really unavoidable when you can just rp dodging them all by accident. Yeah that's about what I expected. As I said I'm satisfied now we can move on...
It's not retropost Athos. Your post's actions ended with you sending the attack balls down. Dart does not attack until after he dodges your attack, in a timeframe beyond that of your original attack post. That is not retroposting.
You never specified that you cast it as soon as you breached the clouds like a normal person would have stated. So, yeah, I'm going to pick apart your wording and make it suit me. If you wanted your jutsu blasted once you breached the clouds, then you would have said "as soon as he breaches the cloud, he uses his technique" but you didn't.
So I took it to assume that your momentum would keep you going up and having to come to a near stop as moving at the velocity that you state would mean your arms would be pinned to your side less you risk the possibility of having them ripped off by your own velocity.
He said "once he breaches the clouds" which is close enough to "the moment he breaches the clouds". Not "after", but "once" he breaches the clouds. And I think it would take more than super fast velocity to tear off Athos' arms since he does have ultimate shield and all.
If you indeed keep 30 yards between the two of you at any time, then Athos would breach the cloud before you get through them, meaning that he can still sense your disturbance through the cloud and home in on you.
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So you can't counter it is what you're saying. You need to retro-post an action before this imperceptible Kamui that kills you in .5 seconds and block it entirely incidentally. I mean that makes sense, no move is really unavoidable when you can just rp dodging them all by accident. Yeah that's about what I expected. As I said I'm satisfied now we can move on...
It's not retropost Athos. Your post's actions ended with you sending the attack balls down. Dart does not attack until after he dodges your attack, in a timeframe beyond that of your original attack post. That is not retroposting.
You never specified that you cast it as soon as you breached the clouds like a normal person would have stated. So, yeah, I'm going to pick apart your wording and make it suit me. If you wanted your jutsu blasted once you breached the clouds, then you would have said "as soon as he breaches the cloud, he uses his technique" but you didn't.
So I took it to assume that your momentum would keep you going up and having to come to a near stop as moving at the velocity that you state would mean your arms would be pinned to your side less you risk the possibility of having them ripped off by your own velocity.
He said "once he breaches the clouds" which is close enough to "the moment he breaches the clouds". Not "after", but "once" he breaches the clouds. And I think it would take more than super fast velocity to tear off Athos' arms since he does have ultimate shield and all.
If you indeed keep 30 yards between the two of you at any time, then Athos would breach the cloud before you get through them, meaning that he can still sense your disturbance through the cloud and home in on you.
Nope. He states "once above".
There's not a time constraint meaning it was at the time of breaching nor is there one to support mine, either, truly.
He can state his intention was as soon as he breached it...but that isn't what he wrote. He wrote "once above" so I am allowed to interpret.
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Nope. He states "once above"...
"Once you get done washing those dishes, make sure you sweep the floor."
That does not mean sweep the floor 5 hours later or even 10 minutes later than the moment you finish washing the dishes. That's not how that phrase works. I rule that Athos fired off the balls shortly after leaving the cloud cover.
Do the two of you just want a ruling on whether either of you are dead or not and whether or not a repost will be made, or will we be continuing with this point by point approach?
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I was saying your hypothetical counter was retroposting not Dart's post. But who cares.
"and Sage Mode just increases the strength of your jutsu."
Yeah Dart, does it? I must have forgotten about Throw a Giant Rhino 500 Feet in the Air no Jutsu.
(http://mangabase.net/wp-content/manga/1/430/p_00007.jpg)
I'm by far the physically strongest person on SL, let's see some of the claims that you guys accepted.
- Easily Strong enough to shatter Crystal Release.
- Easily Strong enough to shatter Ice Release.
- Strong enough to shatter Adamantium in a single punch, even at half strength.
- Athos can not only easily outclass Complete Body Susanoo, at half strength, but also shatter it as well. Making them pointless against his physical attacks.
- Can fight a whole week straight, without a single break, thanks to his absurdly high stamina.
- Can fight Bijuu to their defeat and has down so several times.
- Thanks to a seal of Athos' creation, Athos usually works at half of his total potential, though is still capable of all the things mentioned above.
http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Athos#Many_Notes
Now in Saiken Sage Mode that is multiplied by 7.5 times which I mentioned in my post. The idea that you're faster than me just using Light Weight Rock Technique is actually laughable.
Also the only way you're "interpreting" my post is by choosing to add details of your own creation. I said I'd jump through the clouds and once I was on the other side I'd launch my attack. That doesn't leave room for you to add "Actually Athos waited for an indeterminate amount of time before launching his attack."
If I rp, *Athos would open a door and step inside the room beyond. Once inside the room he would shout, "Free pickles for everyone!"*
Now according to you that can be interpreted as, *Athos would open a door and step inside the room beyond. Once inside he would stare blankly into the aether for 5 minutes before shouting, "Free pickles for everyone!"*
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Nope. He states "once above"...
"Once you get done washing those dishes, make sure you sweep the floor."
That does not mean sweep the floor 5 hours later or even 10 minutes later than the moment you finish washing the dishes. That's not how that phrase works. I rule that Athos fired off the balls shortly after leaving the cloud cover.
Do the two of you just want a ruling on whether either of you are dead or not and whether or not a repost will be made, or will we be continuing with this point by point approach?
....I would totally interpret that phrase otherwise. But that's because I'm a little shit to people who give me orders like that. 😈
I respect your ruling then and I won't argue against it.
Athos death balls fired as soon as he leaves the clouds then.
I am game for a call of death or a call for a repost.
Whatever option the judge wants to make, ill support, appreciate, and not argue against or ask stupid rhetorical questions either.
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I was saying your hypothetical counter was retroposting not Dart's post. But who cares.
"and Sage Mode just increases the strength of your jutsu."
Yeah Dart, does it? I must have forgotten about Throw a Giant Rhino 500 Feet in the Air no Jutsu.
(http://mangabase.net/wp-content/manga/1/430/p_00007.jpg)
I'm by far the physically strongest person on SL, let's see some of the claims that you guys accepted.
- Easily Strong enough to shatter Crystal Release.
- Easily Strong enough to shatter Ice Release.
- Strong enough to shatter Adamantium in a single punch, even at half strength.
- Athos can not only easily outclass Complete Body Susanoo, at half strength, but also shatter it as well. Making them pointless against his physical attacks.
- Can fight a whole week straight, without a single break, thanks to his absurdly high stamina.
- Can fight Bijuu to their defeat and has down so several times.
- Thanks to a seal of Athos' creation, Athos usually works at half of his total potential, though is still capable of all the things mentioned above.
http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Athos#Many_Notes
Now in Saiken Sage Mode that is multiplied by 7.5 times which I mentioned in my post. The idea that you're faster than me just using Light Weight Rock Technique is actually laughable.
Also the only way you're "interpreting" my post is by choosing to add details of your own creation. I said I'd jump through the clouds and once I was on the other side I'd launch my attack. That doesn't leave room for you to add "Actually Athos waited for an indeterminate amount of time before launching his attack."
If I rp, *Athos would open a door and step inside the room beyond. Once inside the room he would shout, "Free pickles for everyone!"*
Now according to you that can be interpreted as, *Athos would open a door and step inside the room beyond. Once inside he would stare blankly into the aether for 5 minutes before shouting, "Free pickles for everyone!"*
I don't acknowledge any of those claims, actually. Good try though.
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Yeah you did actually. We decided not to void any custom techniques or abilities and just let it ride.
I really like your strategy of picking only one random part of my responses to acknowledge and ignoring the ones that show you have no idea what you're talking about, like your claims about Sage Mode. It's really a lot more classy then when you just ignore the entire post. Nah you're the first person to admit it when you're wrong though. :roll:
Anyway, yes Eric. As I mentioned before I believe that since Dart's entire defense was based around him just changing the time table of my attack to suit his needs his defense would fail and he'd die to my Jinton blast. We didn't agree to the everyone gets one repost preference for this fight so I think you should decide whether he is dead or not, but that's up to you.
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Yeah you did actually. We decided not to void any custom techniques or abilities and just let it ride.
I really like your strategy of picking only one random part of my responses to acknowledge and ignoring the ones that show you have no idea what you're talking about, like your claims about Sage Mode. It's really a lot more classy then when you just ignore the entire post. Nah you're the first person to admit it when you're wrong though. :roll:
Anyway, yes Eric. As I mentioned before I believe that since Dart's entire defense was based around him just changing the time table of my attack to suit his needs his defense would fail and he'd die to my Jinton blast. We didn't agree to the everyone gets one repost preference for this fight so I think you should decide whether he is dead or not, but that's up to you.
EDIT: Also, no, I don't acknowledge any of those claims. Never have, never will. And every single one of my characters will have that same stigma.
EDIT: Yeah, I meant to add strength and jutsu are empowered by Sage Mode. But speed isn't. Reflexes are, but not speed.
Just like you chose to ignore that I know how to use your character's abilities to get out the Kamui attack.
Hello pot, it's the kettle.
Me dying isn't an option considering I still dodged the majority of the blasts then. I'll correct that in my next post. My attack just wouldn't be cast thus negating your 'Godhood' from being threatened.
Also, there's nothing in the rules that exempts people from reposting at the judge's order.
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Topic is unlocked to continue further debate for now. The more recent OOC posts were removed as well.
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I will wait for Athos to voice what he opposes about the post before I make a more substantive comment.
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I will wait for Athos to voice what he opposes about the post before I make a more substantive comment.
me too
Uh, well, Eric is the judge for the fight Kay, but ok. So two things.
#1 I don't think Dart dodged my attack.
I said, "In the span of only a second or so, a total of one hundred dust release blasts had left Athos hands and moved to plague the battlefield."
Dart said, "Dart was able to count them as his Sharingan was able to perceive their color and see their movements as individual balls but he lost count at 52 when he noticed that a particular cluster seemed to be coming straight for him rather swiftly."
So he's let them basically all fire, more importantly all the ones that are trying to hit him. He literally says, "He would launch backwards swiftly just as the first few managed to get to his sides and blow past them with ease before they could entrap him."
So blasts are already beside him and he chooses to rewrite my post so instead of it saying, "That only left Dart, who was airborne but the closest to Athos and the attacks, which aimed to come down and around the man so to close off his escape and almost chase him towards the ground like a falling cage before he would meet a gruesome death like the lot of them."
It is apparently saying, "That only left Dart, who was airborne but the closest to Athos and the attacks, which aimed to come down and around the man so to close off his escape and almost chase him towards the ground like a falling cage before he would meet a gruesome death like the lot of them. Also he left some big hole in the attack so even once it surrounded Dart he could just casually float out of the way."
He just floated backwards into an attack and is dead.
#2 This x5 speed multiplier for Lightweight Rock Technique makes no sense and is completely pulled out of thin air.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Earth_Release:_Light-Weight_Rock_Technique (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Earth_Release:_Light-Weight_Rock_Technique)
"Contrary to its counterpart, this technique reduces one's gravity, making it much lighter. The atmosphere, along with their body, can be lightened in order to take flight and increasing their maneuverability. With enough practice, the user can control their flight through the sky with specific bodily movements. However, a consequence of using this technique on oneself or another individual is a decrease in the physical force of the affected person's attacks."
An increase in speed is such an ancillary effect of the jutsu that it isn't even mentioned on the wiki page. It's certainly not a x2 bonus more than Perfect Sage Mode.
Onoki uses it to increase speed twice to my recollection. Once on A and once on Gaara's sand. However both of those are already incredibly fast. I don't need to tell you how fast A is and by the Kage Summit Gaara's sand is fast enough to block Amaterasu. When he uses it there is no appreciable increase to their speed. Here's him using it on A. Time should be at 10:00.
https://youtu.be/YBNriBWRfz4?t=600 (https://youtu.be/YBNriBWRfz4?t=600)
Yeah he's vanishing and reappearing but that's how he always moves. He moved fast enough to dodge point-blank laser blasts from Juugo and leave after-images of himself behind from dodging Amaterasu. Honestly it looks slower than his usual speed because he's not leaving after-images. It just looks like regular Body Flicker to me.
I'm not saying it doesn't make you a little faster but remember how the jutsu works, it makes you lighter and lighter and reduces your personal gravity. A was still able to run around when Onoki used it on him so it must have been a minor enough usage that it didn't make A just float off the ground. Which is what the jutsu is meant to do, let you fly not give you a speed up.
As it says above you don't fly with chakra propulsion or something it's just learning how to move your body to guide how you float, just like moving in zero gravity in real life. That isn't quick, you just float. That is the net gain of the jutsu, levitation, not speed.
If you guys want some videos of Onoki flying around the battlefield I can grab some but he moves at the pace of a brisk jog. It's not quick. The x5 boost Dart is claiming is something he made up on the spot. All "overclocking" the jutsu would logically do is make him start to float upward instead of hover in place and since he didn't move to dodge until my attack was already beside him, ie the cage of Jinton had descended and the blasts were next to him, he would just hit the blasts faster and die.
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I don't see the logic in Dart's post. I don't know the exact number of yards it is from ground to above the clouds and I'm too lazy to go check since I'm on my phone (Edit: it could be from 2,100+ to 6,600+ yards, judging on the natural heights of clouds... checked on my phone afterwards), but he just messed up immensely by following Athos up there. So instead of possibly hundreds (thousands) of yards between, he reduced it to 30 measly yards, which he stated a few times. So, now, he's literally super close to the epicenter of the attack and with the speed they go, where they can make it difficult for me, who's without his Gravity Seals, which makes me rather fast like 3rd or 4th Gate fast, I haven't really drafted up its speed enhancement chart, but I know it's at that point. Then, I have Sage Mode on, which increases the speed again, not sure how much since it's not a technique but a physical feature. But the RnY already makes one super fast, times that by 3 and I'm surely moving faster than the best Sharingan can track.
And i still had difficulty in dodging the attacks when they were similarly enhanced through the Sage and Saiken merger, not to mention the user's own proficiency and control over the technique.
So, when one loses count at 50+, I see that as not having a masterful Sharingan to pick up on their speed, thus largely unable to really dodge them at the range you had placed yourself. Especially, when you only do the one thing.
Then there's the other thing, the time it took for you to get above the clouds as well. You're making it seem as if you're at the same level of speed as someone with these amounts of buffs on them, when your only buff is the ability to fly. So, in my eyes, I could only see you breaking through the clouds, and only catching the last 50+ of your gifts, as Eric said, are already speeding towards you, since you're not faster than Athos in Saiken Sage Mode.
I'm not being biased at all, I can already sense these thoughts flowing through your mind. I'm in spectator mode, looking through all perspectives and I don't see you dodging this attack. If by some chance that you do, it's severely maimed and would eventually result in death in short time. Obviously, that's my real two cents in this debate... simply wanted to see how this repost was going to turn out.
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I will wait for Athos to voice what he opposes about the post before I make a more substantive comment.
me too
Uh, well, Eric is the judge for the fight Kay, but ok. So two things.
#1 I don't think Dart dodged my attack.
I said, "In the span of only a second or so, a total of one hundred dust release blasts had left Athos hands and moved to plague the battlefield."
Dart said, "Dart was able to count them as his Sharingan was able to perceive their color and see their movements as individual balls but he lost count at 52 when he noticed that a particular cluster seemed to be coming straight for him rather swiftly."
So he's let them basically all fire, more importantly all the ones that are trying to hit him. He literally says, "He would launch backwards swiftly just as the first few managed to get to his sides and blow past them with ease before they could entrap him."
So blasts are already beside him and he chooses to rewrite my post so instead of it saying, "That only left Dart, who was airborne but the closest to Athos and the attacks, which aimed to come down and around the man so to close off his escape and almost chase him towards the ground like a falling cage before he would meet a gruesome death like the lot of them."
It is apparently saying, "That only left Dart, who was airborne but the closest to Athos and the attacks, which aimed to come down and around the man so to close off his escape and almost chase him towards the ground like a falling cage before he would meet a gruesome death like the lot of them. Also he left some big hole in the attack so even once it surrounded Dart he could just casually float out of the way."
He just floated backwards into an attack and is dead.
#2 This x5 speed multiplier for Lightweight Rock Technique makes no sense and is completely pulled out of thin air.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Earth_Release:_Light-Weight_Rock_Technique (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Earth_Release:_Light-Weight_Rock_Technique)
"Contrary to its counterpart, this technique reduces one's gravity, making it much lighter. The atmosphere, along with their body, can be lightened in order to take flight and increasing their maneuverability. With enough practice, the user can control their flight through the sky with specific bodily movements. However, a consequence of using this technique on oneself or another individual is a decrease in the physical force of the affected person's attacks."
An increase in speed is such an ancillary effect of the jutsu that it isn't even mentioned on the wiki page. It's certainly not a x2 bonus more than Perfect Sage Mode.
Onoki uses it to increase speed twice to my recollection. Once on A and once on Gaara's sand. However both of those are already incredibly fast. I don't need to tell you how fast A is and by the Kage Summit Gaara's sand is fast enough to block Amaterasu. When he uses it there is no appreciable increase to their speed. Here's him using it on A. Time should be at 10:00.
https://youtu.be/YBNriBWRfz4?t=600 (https://youtu.be/YBNriBWRfz4?t=600)
Yeah he's vanishing and reappearing but that's how he always moves. He moved fast enough to dodge point-blank laser blasts from Juugo and leave after-images of himself behind from dodging Amaterasu. Honestly it looks slower than his usual speed because he's not leaving after-images. It just looks like regular Body Flicker to me.
I'm not saying it doesn't make you a little faster but remember how the jutsu works, it makes you lighter and lighter and reduces your personal gravity. A was still able to run around when Onoki used it on him so it must have been a minor enough usage that it didn't make A just float off the ground. Which is what the jutsu is meant to do, let you fly not give you a speed up.
As it says above you don't fly with chakra propulsion or something it's just learning how to move your body to guide how you float, just like moving in zero gravity in real life. That isn't quick, you just float. That is the net gain of the jutsu, levitation, not speed.
If you guys want some videos of Onoki flying around the battlefield I can grab some but he moves at the pace of a brisk jog. It's not quick. The x5 boost Dart is claiming is something he made up on the spot. All "overclocking" the jutsu would logically do is make him start to float upward instead of hover in place and since he didn't move to dodge until my attack was already beside him, ie the cage of Jinton had descended and the blasts were next to him, he would just hit the blasts faster and die.
A) You created them in 1 sec. Then they moved to plague the field. You did not specify the speed at which they moved.
B) Your balls would have moved in that fashion to "cage" Dart if Athos would have been above him. Which he's not at this point since you were so vehemently against having your character be at a higher point like I originally surmised.
C) In conjunction with B, thus your balls would have to come forth from their origin point and speed towards my current locale, while at that same time they would spread out to create the cage-like effect you desired from the original post, which I all fully acknowledged.
D) Even if, for some reason that Eric deems I'm hit, they wouldn't kill me as the average male fist size is only about 6.25"-8.1" in diameter.. There are already gaps in the attack as 25 balls isn't nearly enough to cut the space in between each ball to create the "cage" you're wanting. Plus, a hole that size wouldn't kill Dart unless it hit his head, which I won't allow period as that would character control on your part.
E) If you are saying that the balls instantly form around my body and thus prevent any means of escape, then I am going to call for disqualification as your move breaks the "unavoidable" clause.
F) Once a thing loses the shackles of gravity from the planet that it is on, it would then be subjected to the ongoing velocity that the planet's revolution has... That's scientifically backed and as far as I can tell, you aren't a Doctorate in Physics.
****For reference purposes: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton's_laws_of_motion
That way you can read up on the First Law more thoroughly in order to educate yourself on the principle of my move.
*Newton's First Law: "In an inertial reference frame, an object either remains at rest or continues to move at a constant velocity, unless acted upon by a force."
**That force described is most commonly gravity.
*Newton's Second Law: "In an inertial reference frame, the vector sum of the forces F on an object is equal to the mass m of that object multiplied by the acceleration a of the object: F = ma."
**Thus my mass would now be significantly more impacted by the orbital speed of the planet.
***Dart weighs roughly 240 lbs. The known planets orbital speeds are now:
http://planetfacts.org/orbital-speed-of-planets-in-order/
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/planet_table_british.html
http://www.windows2universe.org/our_solar_system/planets_table.html
So the fivefold number is severely reduced, if you want to get technical. At least I put a quantified number down in order to adhere to Narutoverse Magic.
I was at work or else this would have been posted sooner.
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I don't see the logic in Dart's post. I don't know the exact number of yards it is from ground to above the clouds and I'm too lazy to go check since I'm on my phone (Edit: it could be from 2,100+ to 6,600+ yards, judging on the natural heights of clouds... checked on my phone afterwards), but he just messed up immensely by following Athos up there. So instead of possibly hundreds (thousands) of yards between, he reduced it to 30 measly yards, which he stated a few times. So, now, he's literally super close to the epicenter of the attack and with the speed they go, where they can make it difficult for me, who's without his Gravity Seals, which makes me rather fast like 3rd or 4th Gate fast, I haven't really drafted up its speed enhancement chart, but I know it's at that point. Then, I have Sage Mode on, which increases the speed again, not sure how much since it's not a technique but a physical feature. But the RnY already makes one super fast, times that by 3 and I'm surely moving faster than the best Sharingan can track.
And i still had difficulty in dodging the attacks when they were similarly enhanced through the Sage and Saiken merger, not to mention the user's own proficiency and control over the technique.
So, when one loses count at 50+, I see that as not having a masterful Sharingan to pick up on their speed, thus largely unable to really dodge them at the range you had placed yourself. Especially, when you only do the one thing.
Then there's the other thing, the time it took for you to get above the clouds as well. You're making it seem as if you're at the same level of speed as someone with these amounts of buffs on them, when your only buff is the ability to fly. So, in my eyes, I could only see you breaking through the clouds, and only catching the last 50+ of your gifts, as Eric said, are already speeding towards you, since you're not faster than Athos in Saiken Sage Mode.
I'm not being biased at all, I can already sense these thoughts flowing through your mind. I'm in spectator mode, looking through all perspectives and I don't see you dodging this attack. If by some chance that you do, it's severely maimed and would eventually result in death in short time. Obviously, that's my real two cents in this debate... simply wanted to see how this repost was going to turn out.
You're already biased with whatever Athos posted so that's thrown at the window.
Your abilities and enhancements have nothing to do with this discussion as it's between myself, Athos, and Eric. Not you.
The only reason you had difficulty is because you chose to have difficulty in avoiding them soo...
"Losing count" was because Dart focused on the clusters that were coming his way. It clearly states that.
Only 25 are coming at me so that comment doesn't even make sense.
Spectator mode or not, you're allied with Athos in this fight as well as outside of this fight. Your words have no temerity as they're completely biased. Again, this discussion doesn't pertain to you.
And don't ever assume you know who I am or how I think. Period.
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I don't see the logic in Dart's post. I don't know the exact number of yards it is from ground to above the clouds and I'm too lazy to go check since I'm on my phone (Edit: it could be from 2,100+ to 6,600+ yards, judging on the natural heights of clouds... checked on my phone afterwards), but he just messed up immensely by following Athos up there. So instead of possibly hundreds (thousands) of yards between, he reduced it to 30 measly yards, which he stated a few times. So, now, he's literally super close to the epicenter of the attack and with the speed they go, where they can make it difficult for me, who's without his Gravity Seals, which makes me rather fast like 3rd or 4th Gate fast, I haven't really drafted up its speed enhancement chart, but I know it's at that point. Then, I have Sage Mode on, which increases the speed again, not sure how much since it's not a technique but a physical feature. But the RnY already makes one super fast, times that by 3 and I'm surely moving faster than the best Sharingan can track.
And i still had difficulty in dodging the attacks when they were similarly enhanced through the Sage and Saiken merger, not to mention the user's own proficiency and control over the technique.
So, when one loses count at 50+, I see that as not having a masterful Sharingan to pick up on their speed, thus largely unable to really dodge them at the range you had placed yourself. Especially, when you only do the one thing.
Then there's the other thing, the time it took for you to get above the clouds as well. You're making it seem as if you're at the same level of speed as someone with these amounts of buffs on them, when your only buff is the ability to fly. So, in my eyes, I could only see you breaking through the clouds, and only catching the last 50+ of your gifts, as Eric said, are already speeding towards you, since you're not faster than Athos in Saiken Sage Mode.
I'm not being biased at all, I can already sense these thoughts flowing through your mind. I'm in spectator mode, looking through all perspectives and I don't see you dodging this attack. If by some chance that you do, it's severely maimed and would eventually result in death in short time. Obviously, that's my real two cents in this debate... simply wanted to see how this repost was going to turn out.
You're already biased with whatever Athos posted, so that's thrown out the window. Don't ever assume you know who I am or how I think. Period. (Just gonna borrow that quote)
Your abilities and enhancements have nothing to do with this discussion as it's between myself, Athos, and Eric. Not you. Considering it's holding up this fight, it concerns pretty much all the contestants. So... yeah, you're wrong about that.
The only reason you had difficulty is because you chose to have difficulty in avoiding them soo... I actually went with a comical post, so I did chose, but that doesn't change the fact that it was. Unlike you, I acknowledge claims that people have, if they've had it for such a long time. So, yeah, stop being so closed minded about everything.
"Losing count" was because Dart focused on the clusters that were coming his way. It clearly states that. Ahh, so it does. Then I'll humbly strike that from my post... I mean, not really.
Only 25 are coming at me so that comment doesn't even make sense. I meant the for that part... >.> simple mistake.
Spectator mode or not, you're allied with Athos in this fight as well as outside of this fight. Your words have no temerity as they're completely biased. Again, this discussion doesn't pertain to you. *Pauses for a moment to put that word in his mental dictionary, because it sounds awesome* Do allies really try to kill one another? Outside of the fight, sure, that's pretty obvious. But, I didn't carry these feelings inside the fight. [Insert your quote once again] And again, it really does, because, again, it's holding up this fight.
And don't ever assume you know who I am or how I think. Period. I really like that quote
Ooh, so spicy... I'm just gonna fix up your little post. The red really pops for stuff like this. Now, I'm going to say it, once again, I wasn't being biased, because there's no reason for me to be so. I was rather pleased that you were focusing an attack at him, even though he fought it and won in metaphorical court. This repost is just not what I would have hoped for you to do. So, please, let's just finish this debate and get back to the fight. That's all I care about.
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A) The speed isn't really relevant when you watch them get launched at you, watch them approach, and then don't dodge till they're surrounding you.
B) I jumped up and you followed me so I don't know how you think I'm not above you when I launched the attack as soon as I get through the clouds, or why that would change how you already accepted the attack would be approaching you.
C) Yeah I guess that's how things moving from one point to another works. I'm not sure why you felt the need to explain that.
D) You already posted and thus accepted the nature of my attack so you can't argue it should be changed now. and yeah clearly there's no way anyone could die from getting a hand sized hole punched in their body anywhere but their head.
(http://i.imgur.com/RUsJyyr.png)
E) No you just posted letting them surround you before dodging for some reason.
F) Ok, that has no bearing on the ninja magic you're currently using so nobodies going to go read all that, I've already provided evidence that the move clearly doesn't do what you're claiming. I'm also just nonplussed at how you can pull all this information up but have no idea how Sage Mode works.
Whoa, why was my name dropped? I dodged the attack >.> and know how Athos could dodge this one.
Thank you, sir.
That was Dart's response when Jay agreed with him. For a fun activity compare and contrast that to Dart's reaction when Jay disagreed with him. This has no bearing on the argument but boy does it make Dart look like a jerk
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I am actually going to start with a concern or two of Jay's, since Dato even being above the clouds is the crux of the post here:
Then there's the other thing, the time it took for you to get above the clouds as well. You're making it seem as if you're at the same level of speed as someone with these amounts of buffs on them, when your only buff is the ability to fly. So, in my eyes, I could only see you breaking through the clouds, and only catching the last 50+ of your gifts, as Eric said, are already speeding towards you, since you're not faster than Athos in Saiken Sage Mode.
I was under the assumption that Dato was already in the air, and kept said distance from Athos' upward trajectory, not that he flew up in pursuit of him from a ground level position. To suddenly be 35 yards from Athos even while the Uzu biju holder was grounded, and then have Athos to shoot into the air like a freakish blue bullet, and even then for Dato to casually float upwards after him is, as you say, kind of ridiculous.
It only makes sense if Dato was already near cloud level, which were my initial thoughts on both his original post and his repost due to this explanatory excerpt from his original post combind with how he got into the air position in the first place:
Going with what Athos is saying is the current timeline, which is him arriving above the clouds before the first droplets of the acidic rain could touch the ground (and that's from the ground, jumping, regardless of his speed enhancers) then it can be surmised that Dart would be able to pass through his clouds right after Athos did as he was the closest to his own technique and light enough to ascend rapidly without needing more of a modifier.
... He leaped straight and high into the air, but he wouldn't come back down. No, he wanted an aerial view of all the contenders as well as remain out of sight and range for the upcoming fights to unfold. He did not yet have field advantage and he did not yet know what the other's abilities were. He utilized his third and last action this turn to reduce his gravity at the cost of decreased physical force. He flew through the air to gain a nice vantage point above the contenders and awaited to see how the other players reacted to the first signs of conflict.[/color]
Now, Athos either is not arguing a view different than that for one reason or another, perhaps because since it was not one of the key issues with the original post (the dodge and the Kamui were) then it was not a main staple of argument. Your point is not invalidated because of that, but I felt it fair to acknowledge that because of what comes later in my opinion piece.
So, when one loses count at 50+, I see that as not having a masterful Sharingan to pick up on their speed, thus largely unable to really dodge them at the range you had placed yourself. Especially, when you only do the one thing...
He has mangekyou sharingan, mastery of sharingan is not really a point that can be made. Not to mention I can lose count of the number of cars passing by without being terrible at tracking them with my eyes; I just lost the counting number that I had in my head at the time because some of those cars are actually coming towards me.
Athos' points:
#1 I don't think Dart dodged my attack.
I said, "In the span of only a second or so, a total of one hundred dust release blasts had left Athos hands and moved to plague the battlefield."
Dart said, "Dart was able to count them as his Sharingan was able to perceive their color and see their movements as individual balls but he lost count at 52 when he noticed that a particular cluster seemed to be coming straight for him rather swiftly."
So he's let them basically all fire, more importantly all the ones that are trying to hit him. He literally says, "He would launch backwards swiftly just as the first few managed to get to his sides and blow past them with ease before they could entrap him."
So blasts are already beside him and he chooses to rewrite my post so instead of it saying, "That only left Dart, who was airborne but the closest to Athos and the attacks, which aimed to come down and around the man so to close off his escape and almost chase him towards the ground like a falling cage before he would meet a gruesome death like the lot of them."
It is apparently saying, "That only left Dart, who was airborne but the closest to Athos and the attacks, which aimed to come down and around the man so to close off his escape and almost chase him towards the ground like a falling cage before he would meet a gruesome death like the lot of them. Also he left some big hole in the attack so even once it surrounded Dart he could just casually float out of the way."
He just floated backwards into an attack and is dead...
Dart's front and above is the posotive xyz axii (I think that's how you do that plural) and below and behind him are the negative xyz for the following references to said coordinates. All defined by the right hand rule.
As Dart said, all of them were relased within 1 second to go towards their destinations, not that they reached their destinations in 1 second. Hence, not only is how fast they are actually going to these destinations up for debate, so is apparently the exact way they get into formation.
"Wait what, but I stated that they are to go after him in a cage-like fashion-"
They move towards him to get into that formation; under the previous assumption of him getting above the clouds as I said to Jay and you starting this jutsu right as you breach the clouds, then he would be approximately level with you upon the start of this jutsu; your sensory would continue to track him until he completely clears the cloud, as detecting him by his tangible form blocking atmospheric wind is not something that you are doing to track him.
So, the balls all originate from the posotive xy position and are able to move to the z position based on the pictoral depiction of your justu that you have on your wikia page for this technique. However, in order to be in the negative xyz, they would have to go past Dart, so logically speaking until one or two pass the yz plane where x=0 (IE, a plane made if you were to cut Dart's body down from head to toe facing his front and behind) there would be none behind him.
This is why he makes the attempt to float backwards; once he moves from his position, Athos' old tracking method is no longer sufficient, so the balls should not be able to home in on him (and so continue as if Dato had stayed in one spot).
Now, not just being nailed by the ones positioned above him because there are "gaps" or a "hole" does seem like re-writing your technique/post. But that part is not much different than what Jay did in his post. First, how you describe the attacks:
But that wasn't all, thanks to the fact that he had known exactly where everyone had been, Athos would have known where to send the blasts so that they threatened everyone on the battlefield beneath him. A total of twenty-five blasts of Senjutsu, Bijuu enhanced dust release balls would have come swarming towards Kamui Uchiha, Taumaster, Jay Nara, and Dart Terumi. But the attacks didn't just come from straight up, they came down and made sure to swarm each of the opponents, closing off a plethora of directional escapes that they could make.
Now, the wiki page for this jutsu explicitly states that all of the spheres descend simultaneously, as in, all at once.
( http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Dust_Release:_Genocide_Attack )
Combined with your in-post description, that means that there should be no "waves" of spheres dropping out of the sky, they should all at once arrive at their respective destinations already in formation in one second, which may have been what you had in mind considering the reason that you are against Dato's post.
However, that would mean that Jay's dodging, would not work at all like he intended:
When his form would be completed at full power, the multitude of Dust Release blasts would begin punching through the clouds on their way towards the ground. They were coming in faster than two shakes of a jackrabbit's behind and he took special notes with his Theta State to calculate their trajectories. With 25 on them coming towards him, he would have to spend these next precious seconds evading each and every one of them that came his way.
With the extra speed at his nimble toe-tips, it was time to go to work and he couldn't have any of these fist sized attacks coming in contact with him. So with the flexibility of a snake, he began to go through his evasive maneuvers. The 1st was easy, simply moving to the left at the last moment. But then, it grew complex. 2nd and 3rd came at the same time and he had to zip at a much faster rate. 4th through 15th, made him consider a bigger counter in the form of the Zanzo Bunshin|Afterimage Clone, which created 15 clones of himself that would cover nearly 20 meters. He would zip through clone after clone as he took extreme note that the blasts were following his real form each time a clone took his place.
Now, if anything, that is the first place your technique was literally re-written to fit the situation. This post was not contested so it was added to the canon of the fight; why then would Dato assume that they would arrive at him already complete in formation?
As for your second point:
#2 This x5 speed multiplier for Lightweight Rock Technique makes no sense and is completely pulled out of thin air.
I agree, I have never seen that kind of modifier on the lightweight technique before and am, naturally, very skeptical of it working like this.
I only have university physics 1 under my belt, but the force of gravity is NOT the only force keeping you on planet earth, especially since you are still within the atmosphere. There is also a sort of friction with the air, which increases with increased velocity. I believe the term is "drag". More importantly, the force of gravity is dependent on the masses of the objects in question.
The mass of the Earth is a relative constant, so you releasing your mass should make the force of gravity affect you less. Why, yes, but, the force of gravity is not affecting the dust release balls that much either; they are fist sized, and while contain some mass, are not even close to as heavy as you are. They, as well as you, are affected by the planet's rotation. From an inertial point of view in space, then yes, you would be moving much faster, recieving a boost from the earth's rotation and revolution across the sun and all that. But the spheres gain that same boost because they too are on planet earth.
Of course, you "nerfed" the actual speed increase because G-forces, unmodified bodily vessels breaking a part at the seams, you know, disaster scenario stuff. But the point is that you removing the hold on gravity - in this situation and in this manner - might would help you avoid something like a rolling boulder or even a super-fast kunai, but spheres of dust release chakra? I am not seeing it.
If speed is the only way that you get out of your predicament even with all other things considered, then I don't see how you don't take any damage from the spheres.
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Dart has always been up in the air since he first leapt up there.
The balls are still effected by the gravity that isn't affecting me. Though they may be traveling fast, they are still slowed down by gravity and the 'drag' you mentioned.
My next motion would be to fall in line with the planetary velocity as well as inertia as well as the planet's centripetal force as they are the largest forces to be effecting me.
The drag exists, yes, and is part of the reason why I don't just fly off the face of the planet and am able (to some degree) retain some control of my flight pattern.
I suppose speed would be the incorrect term. Acceleration would be what was affected. The moment that I shifted backwards in my near-zero gravity state, my acceleration would skyrocket due to the planetary velocity which affects all things both in the atmosphere and on the ground.
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I don't understand your explanation for why there would not be any behind him. A good way to visualize the attack would be if you drew 25 dots on a piece of paper and they formed the shape of a circle. That is descending on Dart with him in the middle so there are some on all sides of him.
If Dart wants to claim that not all of the spheres are coming to his position at the same time because of Jay's post that's fine with me. I would like to hear him say that though.
Also as far as Sharingan mastery is concerned Dart's own bio says this.
Kekkei Genkai:
├溶 Yōton-Grandmaster
├沸 Futton-Grandmaster
└写輪眼 Sharingan-Master
So he is not at the absolute maximum level for Sharingan, if that is relevant.
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I don't understand your explanation for why there would not be any behind him. A good way to visualize the attack would be if you drew 25 dots on a piece of paper and they formed the shape of a circle. That is descending on Dart with him in the middle so there are some on all sides of him.
If Dart wants to claim that not all of the spheres are coming to his position at the same time because of Jay's post that's fine with me. I would like to hear him say that though.
Also as far as Sharingan mastery is concerned Dart's own bio says this.
Kekkei Genkai:
├溶 Yōton
├沸 Futton
└写輪眼 Sharingan
So he is not at the absolute maximum level for Sharingan, if that is relevant.
He explained it perfectly?
They have to travel from Point A (which is your hands) to Point B (my last known locale). In doing such, they would have to spread out in their formation *first* before wrapping around towards my back.
They literally have to come at me head-on and spread out in order to get behind me.
And yet my wikia explicitly states otherwise:
http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Dart
EDIT: (Because it's good to make note what changes are made in posts after making the changes)
You explicitly wrote "cage" and yet now you are describing a ring. Two completely different objects.
The way you originally described made me believe that it was a technique most similar to the Demonic Mirroring Ice Mirrors. That's a "cage" technique.
When you asked for a repost and clarified, then you made it sound like a Thousand Flying Needles of Death.
Now you're describing it as a Ring with Dart the epicenter. (Even more so, you're only vaguely describing in that matter as you don't specify if it's a horizontal, vertical, or diagonal ring.)
How can you possibly find it to be ok with continuously changing youe preferred method of style to *coincindetally* argue against a decision not made in your favorite?
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I don't understand your explanation for why there would not be any behind him. A good way to visualize the attack would be if you drew 25 dots on a piece of paper and they formed the shape of a circle. That is descending on Dart with him in the middle so there are some on all sides of him.
If Dart wants to claim that not all of the spheres are coming to his position at the same time because of Jay's post that's fine with me. I would like to hear him say that though.
Also as far as Sharingan mastery is concerned Dart's own bio says this.
Kekkei Genkai:
├溶 Yōton
├沸 Futton
└写輪眼 Sharingan
So he is not at the absolute maximum level for Sharingan, if that is relevant.
He explained it perfectly?
They have to travel from Point A (which is your hands) to Point B (my last known locale). In doing such, they would have to spread out in their formation *first* before wrapping around towards my back.
They literally have to come at me head-on and spread out in order to get behind me.
And yet my wikia explicitly states otherwise:
http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Dart
They go up and out from my hands which are extended above my head and arc down on you from above. Was that not clear?
"That only left Dart, who was airborne but the closest to Athos and the attacks, which aimed to come down and around the man so to close off his escape and almost chase him towards the ground like a falling cage before he would meet a gruesome death like the lot of them."
I'm above you and you are below me and they travel in an arc from my hands down on top of you.
Ok. Update your bio.
Edit: And are you claiming they don't all approach you simultaneously because of Jay's post?
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I don't understand your explanation for why there would not be any behind him. A good way to visualize the attack would be if you drew 25 dots on a piece of paper and they formed the shape of a circle. That is descending on Dart with him in the middle so there are some on all sides of him.
If Dart wants to claim that not all of the spheres are coming to his position at the same time because of Jay's post that's fine with me. I would like to hear him say that though.
Also as far as Sharingan mastery is concerned Dart's own bio says this.
Kekkei Genkai:
├溶 Yōton
├沸 Futton
└写輪眼 Sharingan
So he is not at the absolute maximum level for Sharingan, if that is relevant.
He explained it perfectly?
They have to travel from Point A (which is your hands) to Point B (my last known locale). In doing such, they would have to spread out in their formation *first* before wrapping around towards my back.
They literally have to come at me head-on and spread out in order to get behind me.
And yet my wikia explicitly states otherwise:
http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Dart
They go up and out from my hands which are extended above my head and arc down on you from above. Was that not clear?
"That only left Dart, who was airborne but the closest to Athos and the attacks, which aimed to come down and around the man so to close off his escape and almost chase him towards the ground like a falling cage before he would meet a gruesome death like the lot of them."
I'm above you and you are below me and they travel in an arc from my hands down on top of you.
Ok. Update your bio.
Edit: And are you claiming they don't all approach you simultaneously because of Jay's post?
I already answered this post in the edit. Please check.
And no, I don't have to "fix my bio" because there is nothing wrong with it. An Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan is still a Sharingan. Just the most advance stage of it.
Besides, updating the bio makes it look ugly with all the kanji in its place and my bios are set up to be easy to read and aethisically pleasing to the eye.
EDIT: I didn't see the paragraph talking about being above.
That would have been the original case if you had accept that your jump would have put you in a higher spot beyond the clouds....but you rejeted that notion vehemently. AND that's only I had never moved from my location inside the rain.
As I was lead to believe then, with your violent refusal of agreeance, then I would be even level with you, thus they can't really come down and surround me any longer. Eric agrees with that like he stated in last post.
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You're still not answering the question about the claim regarding Jay's post.
Yes a cage like a bird cage.
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/open-bird-cage-5123568.jpg)
Each metal beam is a Dust Release blast and they surround you as they descend, except there are more blasts in the middle of the "cage" as well. I'm sorry if my explanation has not always been consistent.
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You're still not answering the question about the claim regarding Jay's post.
Yes a cage like a bird cage.
(https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/x/open-bird-cage-5123568.jpg)
Each metal beam is a Dust Release blast and they surround you as they descend, except there are more blasts in the middle of the "cage" as well. I'm sorry if my explanation has not always been consistent.
(https://postimg.org/image/wdu777o3n/)
Edit: I'm not sure how to make an image pop up. I followed the same tags as you did. Here's the link: https://postimg.org/image/wdu777o3n/
And this is how it would look coming towards since we are in the same level. You're not above me, I'm not above you.
This is how I see it.
This is how Eric sees it as well with his explanation in his post.
The other balls would indeed arc down because everyone else is below you. I'm not, and that's ruled by the judge himself.
Your manner of describing inconsistently has been of one the real major issues in this entire argument.
What question regarding Jay's post?
Eric already answered his concerns?
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I said they'd fall down on you from above and that's what you posted accepting. I'm unclear as to how either of you think they're coming at you from the side. Even if you're at the exact same elevation as me they'd still arc up from my hands and come down on you from above.
Eric said that you could claim not all the spheres reach you simultaneously because of how Jay worded his post which I am accepting. I said that you could but I want to hear that come from you not Eric.
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Could you two refrain from posting responses to each other for the night? Because I am the only one you need to convince and I am both calling it a night and not faster than your responses.
If a temp lock is needed by me then say the word, but arguing back and forth will get you two nowhere till I respond.
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If I could just get Dart's answer on my question about him accepting the details from Jay's post then I'd be fine calling it a night
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I said they'd fall down on you from above and that's what you posted accepting. I'm unclear as to how either of you think they're coming at you from the side. Even if you're at the exact same elevation as me they'd still arc up from my hands and come down on you from above.
Eric said that you could claim not all the spheres reach you simultaneously because of how Jay worded his post which I am accepting. I said that you could but I want to hear that come from you not Eric.
I may have originally posted acceptance of the arc in my original post, but not in the repost which you demanded.
So the way that Eric has stated means that's the way they are coming.
The only thing that Eric is mentioning about Jay's post is that you didn't have a problem with him re-writing the post to fit his own response, then it's completely unfair for you to have a problem with me acknowledging the actual intent of the technique and avoiding it the correct manner that doesn't rewrite your attack completely.
So, I can't give you an answer to a question that doesn't have a true basis for the argument.
With that all said, I'm going to bed now and am done conversing for the night. Eric needs time to read these last few posts and if we keep going back and forth, then it's going to take longer for him to make a final judgment call.
So, I'm stopping and going to wait for Eric to make an official ruling on the matter and not fight or argue or complain on what his decision is.
I'm done stressing about this game.
This was suppose to be a fun fight, not a shitstorm.
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If you accepted it then you accepted it. You don't get to change that because a judge made you repost, that's not a reward.
Because I'd argue there's a difference between Jay changing a detail to make his post more cinematic and you changing a detail to avoid dying. Jay still made an appropriate dodge.
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Could you two refrain from posting responses to each other for the night? Because I am the only one you need to convince and I am both calling it a night and not faster than your responses.
If a temp lock is needed by me then say the word, but arguing back and forth will get you two nowhere till I respond.
Eric, I'm going to lock it, ok?
He doesn't seem to be getting the hint in not posting any more. And I'm tired of getting the email notifications. Hahaha.
Oh, and to clarify so my integrity isn't being questioned, I'm locking it as the author of the thread, not a moderator. I would never abuse such gifts so wildly.
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Part of me wants to address everything, but I think this decision has been delayed long enough by me wanting to be excessively thorough.
Briefly, I will explain that, the way that Athos' attack has been seen by myself and Dato is not that they are coming as the picture depicts in a wide up and down fashion akin to mortar fire, but more like the truth seeking balls in that they start out with a linear path, not a parabolic descent.
Even with that viewpoint, I am still skeptical of your speed buff's magnitude. Athos fires off the balls, some of them head towards you. You move 1000 yards in an unspecified arc in what is certainly less than 3 seconds. Assuming that the arc is not particularly sloped (almost linear really so as to make the following estimates more reasonable) and that is indeed 3 seconds and not sooner, then you are moving about 333.333 yards per second, or about 681 mph, just under the speed of sound. If you move 1000 yards in 2 seconds then you have long breached the sound barrier and caused a sonic boom (500 yards a second).
Lightening your load is one thing, but need I remind you that your character is not exactly aerodynamic:
1) You have a sword still withdrawn. However shorter than a katana it is, you never stated putting the special shortsword (the Weaknessless Soaring Shortsword) back in its place.
2) On each hip from the beginning of the fight you have two more katana.
3) 5 watertight scrolls that have whatever sealed in them.
4) Two more additional item pouches.
5) Greaves.
In descending order of what would surely affect your movement if it stayed attached to you, I find it highly unlikely that all of this stays on you while moving at these kinds of speeds, nevermind being able to even get to those kinds of speeds with so much adding to the forces against you moving fluidly through the air nor not one of the fist sized balls clipping them.
Even Sasuke dodging Danzo wind bullets got grazed by one of them.
My ruling is that I see no way for you and everything on you to be completely unaffected by Athos' spheres, nor that you quite get to 1000 yards this post (let's call it 500 yards instead). If I tell you that you have to lose one of your items to falling off or even grazing, then that would give Athos your location and he could, presuming that the homing balls can also go upwards, send them after you long before you get to the 1000 yard mark, which could result in more grievous injuries.
I am torn between declaring you dead this post or just forcing you to accept some damage to your person and have Athos follow up in his next post. Granted, depending on how it is done, the latter does give you a chance to try to survive as you will have more options given to you, but that would require arbitrarily deciding what on you gets vaporized and what stays.
I am not sure if I could even ask you two to come to a consensus on that sort of thing given this thread, so I am settling on:
The arm with the shortsword, gone almost right to the shoulder blade (causing you to drop the shortsword), the ordinary katanas both sheared almost to the hilt, and your hairbun and the capsules with the scrolls vaporized as well.
If you feel that that is no better than dying, then you are free to take that option as well.
That's my ruling, and I do not envy Trev's favored judge position one bit at this point. :-?
[P.S, still ended up with a super long post.]
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Part of me wants to address everything, but I think this decision has been delayed long enough by me wanting to be excessively thorough.
Briefly, I will explain that, the way that Athos' attack has been seen by myself and Dato is not that they are coming as the picture depicts in a wide up and down fashion akin to mortar fire, but more like the truth seeking balls in that they start out with a linear path, not a parabolic descent.
Even with that viewpoint, I am still skeptical of your speed buff's magnitude. Athos fires off the balls, some of them head towards you. You move 1000 yards in an unspecified arc in what is certainly less than 3 seconds. Assuming that the arc is not particularly sloped (almost linear really so as to make the following estimates more reasonable) and that is indeed 3 seconds and not sooner, then you are moving about 333.333 yards per second, or about 681 mph, just under the speed of sound. If you move 1000 yards in 2 seconds then you have long breached the sound barrier and caused a sonic boom (500 yards a second).
Lightening your load is one thing, but need I remind you that your character is not exactly aerodynamic:
1) You have a sword still withdrawn. However shorter than a katana it is, you never stated putting the special shortsword (the Weaknessless Soaring Shortsword) back in its place.
2) On each hip from the beginning of the fight you have two more katana.
3) 5 watertight scrolls that have whatever sealed in them.
4) Two more additional item pouches.
5) Greaves.
In descending order of what would surely affect your movement if it stayed attached to you, I find it highly unlikely that all of this stays on you while moving at these kinds of speeds, nevermind being able to even get to those kinds of speeds with so much adding to the forces against you moving fluidly through the air nor not one of the fist sized balls clipping them.
Even Sasuke dodging Danzo wind bullets got grazed by one of them.
My ruling is that I see no way for you and everything on you to be completely unaffected by Athos' spheres, nor that you quite get to 1000 yards this post (let's call it 500 yards instead). If I tell you that you have to lose one of your items to falling off or even grazing, then that would give Athos your location and he could, presuming that the homing balls can also go upwards, send them after you long before you get to the 1000 yard mark, which could result in more grievous injuries.
I am torn between declaring you dead this post or just forcing you to accept some damage to your person and have Athos follow up in his next post. Granted, depending on how it is done, the latter does give you a chance to try to survive as you will have more options given to you, but that would require arbitrarily deciding what on you gets vaporized and what stays.
I am not sure if I could even ask you two to come to a consensus on that sort of thing given this thread, so I am settling on:
The arm with the shortsword, gone almost right to the shoulder blade (causing you to drop the shortsword), the ordinary katanas both sheared almost to the hilt, and your hairbun and the capsules with the scrolls vaporized as well.
If you feel that that is no better than dying, then you are free to take that option as well.
That's my ruling, and I do not envy Trev's favored judge position one bit at this point. :-?
[P.S, still ended up with a super long post.]
Definitely an overkill on the items but whatever, that's fine.
Continue the farce, I mean fight.
I'm going to lock this now, mmk?
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I've got no issues with any part of that decision. I will do my best to make Dart even saltier with my next post.
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I've got no issues with any part of that decision. I will do my best to make Dart even saltier with my next post.
You're welcome to try.
Be prepared to make your own topic.
I'm locking this one as author and would appreciate it not being opened again. ^^