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Bijuu Arena / Re: Proposal
« on: January 16, 2015, 05:40:48 PM »
Why not just get rid of the official tailed beast aspect of the game? There are not alot of people who want to be a host, and some hosts hardly even want to stay host because of bullcrap. Keeping these tailed beats, after years of this madness, is just not worth it in my opinion.

Biju holders hold something that universally, everyone in the game should have access to due to what they are. That means that they lose a considerable amount of their own power to dictate and control who and what they RP, and that is not really all that fun. On the flip side, to try and balance that, hosts are often given at least some power over thier fights, and that in turn can get challengers in a bunch.

Doing it all IC led to massive fights in the village square that was riddled with OOC, mudslinging, crapslinging (there is a difference, and if you've been here for any length of time, you can smell the difference) and extremely unproductive conflicts. Doing it all OOC eased the issue some, but the problem still remained that the hosts were obligated to fight for their beasts, and challengers were often obligated to try to work with the host.

And forcing people to work together is clearly a crime against humanity, because people will be people.

Get rid of tailed beasts. Period. The people in the Naruto Series did not have that choice, but we do, and I feel that as a community, we would be better off without them. People don't want rules to strictly govern it, making exceptions opens loopholes, and even when all the rules are followed, the terrible state of zoning etiquette always creeps in to collapse the whole thing.

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-Raises his hand- How about we wait for a certain character to quit lurking these fields before we try and make change.

Sounds like a volunteer to me. Otherwise, this is nothing more than an attempt at instigating, which is not what this thread is about. Take it somewhere else, I at least am not putting up with it in this thread beyond this point.


... rather than say, "this won't work because..." just don't bother to reply. negativism is not useful.

instead say, "What if we tried this because..." with real thought into mending this aspect of game play.

It should be possible for people to do what is right, fair, friendly, and fun for all...

My only other recommendations include:

Have it so that hosts may be granted the ability to deny the challenges of up to a certain number of challengers at a single time. It should be something small like 1-3 since, as stated earlier, people are not exactly flocking to get the burden of a tailed beast (and it is a burden right now, truly) and forcing people to zone with other people has almost been as explosive as trying to figure out whether their reason for denying was valid enough to deny the challenge. Everybody gets a short list of people they will not fight a challenge with. If a challenger finds that more than two hosts have him/her on the list, he/she might need to wonder why (though arbitrary is not necessarily out of the realm of possibility, there is likely a reason).

I would also suggest making all challenges OOC with no consequences to either party afterwards except the transfer of biju. Honestly, when one's character is not on the line, it is so much easier to just let go of a minor issue or two in the interest of keeping the fight going. You can't have nearly as much fun in a biju match if you have to try to survive and nitpick every little thing, which has become the norm for IC fights between conflicting parties.


That's my nickel; the first 3 cents that I am very confident will better the problem, and the other 2 cents as a sort of understanding that there are people who stubbornly want to keep the beasts around.

As eloquently stated as always, Eric. The highlighted portions have my utmost vote. At this point, I am heavily leaning towards banning the bijū.

Should there be a limit imposed for denied challengers: I say 3 max.
And that is for the PLAYER(S), not the character(s). If a player attempts to circumnavigate around the denial by using an alt and is caught, then it becomes a perma-ban from challenging that specific host until the beast changes hands.

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Just a random thought that occurred with what Eric said about everyone having access: What if the bijūs became their own entity and were unaffiliated with any specific person? Instead, they are played by the moderators using that text that rids of the player name and it becomes world text.

From there, the moderators can have the beasts roam the countryside or visit villages. Or can also become violent and attack people or villages to stimulate roleplay. When nice, people could seek them out to gain friendship, borrow chakra, learn new ninjutsu, etc. When evil, it would cause the villages to band together and test the mettle of some roleplayers in the zones. However, the beast doesn't kill people nor finish off a village. If sufficiently defended against, it retreats. If it looks like a win, walks away smugly before landing the killing blow. Humiliation is a damn good motivator as well.

EDIT:

Just a shameless plug. But I'm real damned proud of that idea.
Probably will become violently shot down, but still damned proud. ^^

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
« on: January 16, 2015, 10:06:39 AM »
There was an agreement, I just said I'd fight Yujo personally.

Just that I'd only talk to him here, on this thread. I think that's fair. Any conversation he and I are to have will also be held on public.

Though I doubt it will be accepted, I volunteer as tribute to be (a) judge of your match.

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
« on: January 16, 2015, 06:22:15 AM »
And if you were my friend, who was still broken up over what happened, you wouldn't want your information out there.

I'm sorry that I can't give you what you're asking for, Dart, but I can't give it. It's not in my rights to share, nor for me to be asked to share.

I fought Bocchiere, the one who mastered the Nine Tails, so why would I go through a long elaborate topic to try to avoid a fight with Yujo unless I was serious? It doesn't make sense.

Because wanting to fight Bocchiere isn't all that big of an accomplish.
I want to fight him but I'm not ready to yet. I'll do it on my own time.
I also wanted to fight Zenaku. And Sabu. And so many others. Regardless, that's totally off topic. What I was trying to get at that it doesn't matter whom you've fought before to try and "prove" your seriousness in this matter.

The only way for everyone else to see what the issue is and make a decision that's appropriate is to know what the situation is.

What you're asking us to do is operate on blind faith. And as we all can very well see, blind faith does not seem to work on the site at all.

It sucks that I'm the one to say all this as I'm not a mod. And I'm sure you'll hate for me as well.

I'm just trying to offer up a compromise.

On principle: I don't anyone should have to deal with anyone when things become this heated. But no one seems to accept that.


Personally, I believe the champion idea serves best that way the beast is still being defended and the bijū rules are being enforced. What I don't understand is why Yujo is trying to avoid that encounter. It gives him the opportunity to fight for the beast that he is trying to get anyways. He's getting what he wants, so why is he the one avoiding?


At this rate, I find myself agreeing more and more with Eric on ridding of the bijū entirely. Or simply casting a worldwide null/void on them and their hosts.

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
« on: January 16, 2015, 06:05:02 AM »
I didn't get to finish my post as I was rushed for work.

The biggest deal breaker for the entire situation is:

What exactly is the situation?

Hazama, if you want a fair and unbiased poll on this, then we need to know what exactly the issue is.

Making an allegation that there are RL consequences does change the entire spectrum.

Though apparently that doesn't matter here as both myself and Bocchiere were forced to accept Machina's challenges after that debacle.

Right now, with no evidence, it looks like it is the exact same situation. And to continue to enforce the "equality" of the site, then at this moment I say yes, Hazama must defend his bijū.

However, if you let us know what the actual situation was, I very well may change.

I'm on the fence, truly, for this situation.
I'm not particularly a friend with either person so Im definitely not being swayed by emotion. I want the facts.

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
« on: January 16, 2015, 04:35:32 AM »
I clearly stated there is only one person I would decline >_> They thought it'd be smart to invoke that.

You also never clearly specified which individual either. <.<;
Literally left it open to allow anyone.

And this is from a non-biased person, mind you.

I'm not taking "sides". Just trying to work with the scarce details that are provided. :/

Am I in the minority opinion who thinks that approval of the replacement must be approved by Yujo?
I see that at least one person may not agree with that, meaning Yujo has to approve.
Kind of un-fair there. Since this is a special exception, seems fair for both sides to agree/approve.

Anyways, Yujo has said no- alrighty. =)

Hm...
To save the the amount of forum pages we are chopping down from the forum rainforest, Hazama, there was no other person you would like to take your spot temporarily, right?

If so, it seems the last resort option seems to be that you must now defend your bijuu. :/
I think we have reached that point then.

The only problem with Yujo giving his "approval" is he could simply decline every person that Hazama suggests. That's the issue I see.

I am inclined to know the details of the RL situation before stating an opinion either way.

But, if a Champion was chosen for this special occasion, then that should be that.

Sure, Yujo may perhaps decline every person. But that hasn't happened since only one person was "nominated."
For now, that remains to be a hypothetical situation.

Is it in the Bijuu rules that if for a special occasion a Champion is chosen, then the opposing party MUST be forced or accept?

I am not sure. I do not believe we have ever ran into a situation that required a surrogate fighter since I became a jinchūriki.

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
« on: January 16, 2015, 04:29:46 AM »
Am I in the minority opinion who thinks that approval of the replacement must be approved by Yujo?
I see that at least one person may not agree with that, meaning Yujo has to approve.
Kind of un-fair there. Since this is a special exception, seems fair for both sides to agree/approve.

Anyways, Yujo has said no- alrighty. =)

Hm...
To save the the amount of forum pages we are chopping down from the forum rainforest, Hazama, there was no other person you would like to take your spot temporarily, right?

If so, it seems the last resort option seems to be that you must now defend your bijuu. :/
I think we have reached that point then.

The only problem with Yujo giving his "approval" is he could simply decline every person that Hazama suggests. That's the issue I see.

I am inclined to know the details of the RL situation before stating an opinion either way.

But, if a Champion was chosen for this special occasion, then that should be that.

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Tailed Beast Respawning
« on: January 15, 2015, 03:14:25 PM »
So how are other jinchs going to be gathered and asked to put in their input in this case? A PM sent out to everyone via SL that asks them to choose a new member of the club or something?

Perhaps we should have a universal city house that's specifcially reserved for the Jinchūriki in Jiseigakure. ;)

But yea, PM in-game would probably be best.

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Tailed Beast Respawning
« on: January 14, 2015, 06:05:51 AM »
You beat the host you get the beast. Who cares how or why or anything anymore?

The host leaves...the first on the challenge list gets it.

Simple. no exceptions. no fuss no muss.

You get one bijuu. Period.

You have to accept all challengers or demonstrate through a challenge why it is impossible to rp with your opponent.

If you are the problem, the other Jink's strip you and give your beast away.

You have 2 weeks grace period after getting a bijuu sealed.

No summons., so surrogates. Beasts have to be hosted and fought for by the Jink. 2 weeks to seal an unhosted bijuu. If you can't manage that the jinks take the beast and find a host for you.

No prolonged drama festivals or all participants will be banned from anything bijuu for 6 weeks. the bijuu goes up for dibs to be determined by the prior host's affiliates.


All of this.

Just one tweak and that if the jinc is in a clan, then the clan decides what to do with the beast, not the other jincs, should problems arise with hosting or issues with people.

the other jinks come in for disciplinary reasons. IF the clan or affiliate can't pick a good host then I feel the hosts should moderate themselves just like the used to.

I would say the affiliates/clan first...for when a host leaves or an unhosted beast has to be dealt with. but if you host can't be controlled and reminded by you the clan or affiliate to behave and the jinks have to step in...that is the clan's fault for not stopping the BS before the community had to.

I dont' see rewarding dereliction in duty. choose a better host next time you get a chance.

I agree solely with that then!

Clan/Affliation first, Jincs step in if not appropriately handled by the clans.

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Tailed Beast Respawning
« on: January 14, 2015, 05:24:26 AM »
You beat the host you get the beast. Who cares how or why or anything anymore?

The host leaves...the first on the challenge list gets it.

Simple. no exceptions. no fuss no muss.

You get one bijuu. Period.

You have to accept all challengers or demonstrate through a challenge why it is impossible to rp with your opponent.

If you are the problem, the other Jink's strip you and give your beast away.

You have 2 weeks grace period after getting a bijuu sealed.

No summons., so surrogates. Beasts have to be hosted and fought for by the Jink. 2 weeks to seal an unhosted bijuu. If you can't manage that the jinks take the beast and find a host for you.

No prolonged drama festivals or all participants will be banned from anything bijuu for 6 weeks. the bijuu goes up for dibs to be determined by the prior host's affiliates.


All of this.

Just one tweak and that if the jinc is in a clan, then the clan decides what to do with the beast, not the other jincs, should problems arise with hosting or issues with people.

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Game Related Discussions / Re: Character change as well.
« on: January 12, 2015, 06:24:45 PM »
Well if you count being even stronger as extreme, then yes it'd be different. If not, then well I did say similar principle, not identical. Tsunade gets her strength as explosive bursts, gate users more just beef up their physique overall when going into hachimon. Some differences, but similar principle still, former is less potent and safer, latter is more potent and far more dangerous.

As for body swapping, yes, if you found some with the set you want you could get the abilities for yourself to use provided you learned their use after the takeover. Oro style erodes the body however, so lest there was some magic way to prevent that it'd be only a temporary reprieve. As for gene therapy, while new material can be introduced to some degree, completely removing some like say uchiha in this case would be difficult if not impossible, and that's without even beginning on what diseases and other other kind of complications it could cause for the body.

But if you do it using anime logic/magic, then it could be possible to swap the abilities. Trying to apply real-world things like nosocomial infections to a fictional world based around an anime doesn't make too much sense. Or if she could find someone to Frankenstein-up a body for her, that might work. She would just have to collect the pieces.

Pretty sure that Oro's body swapping technique is already claimed?

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Village Square / Re: Character change take two
« on: January 12, 2015, 05:50:03 PM »
You're ignorant to the point of just blatant lying about things. I did not say Ichirou did the same thing and that's ok. I said I thought he correctly wiped his character and made a new one, and if he is retaining claims from the old one then that would not be right.

She voided reviving Tsuyo so I accepted that and I revived him myself and then she was told that she shouldn't do that she so she voided her void after I had already start writing an rp, and now that's voided so she can officially pass her stuff along to a different character. I don't have to allow me own rp to be messed up over someone else's junk. I accepted the first void, I'm not accepting further voids.

So I'm just not accepting her character being able to rapidly alter reality to be able to change the past over and over again.

I have every reason to not rp with her.

This.

1] you and I can't be in the same room without trying to kill each other....to which you should behave properly and stop being children about it...or maybe give the bijuu to someone who can handle the stress...and as the challenger stop making challenges until you can behave properly as well.

She's already beginning to harass me over this, again.

This

3] You have demonstrated in the past in our fights that you insist upon blatant character control, god modding, ignoring my moves, evading everything under the sun and or metagaming and I am just not going to enter into combat with you again until you learn how to RP properly....and this should be documented not just made up hype over someone you do not like...not witnessed in other fights but experienced first hand.

This

A good reason to deny a challenge would be if...you could not come to terms on what is and what is not accepted in the match. Within reason.

Since I'm not going to be able to acknowledge her shapeshifting, reality altering character.

She can do whatever she wants, she's just not going to be doing it with me. I am done here.

You know, I said the same exact thing and yet I'm forced to accept her challenge. Hm...

Also, just finished reading the entire fiasco. And oh dear lord, do I have a headache from trying to get any form of valid logic coming from the entire thread. Could someone, not emotionally involved in the situation, give a strong TL;DR here as well?

Because from what I've gathered, it's all boiled down to meta-gaming and god-modding at this point. Purely.

It looks as if Machina wants to change her character (cool) but still retain stuff she gained from old character (not cool). Then Tsuyo is getting upset because that would place Bocc in control of his body so now the plan is to meta-game Tsuyo being involved with an apparent "sister" that has spawned from nowhere just to spite Bocc.

Bocc offered a way to validate all claims and legitimize the situation but she refused violently.

A stupid amount of mud slinging on both sides that it has boiled down to another a verbal abuse/harassment war again. (Shocking)

Just how in the hell does that validate Bocc's claim to deny her challenges with a character that is clearly being meta-gamed? Plus, it's proven that she and he do not get along. This has eclipsed mine and Bocc's encounter and reached Sabu v Hono level.

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Tailed Beast Respawning
« on: January 07, 2015, 06:58:46 AM »
Well, if the challenger killed their quarry for the beast instead of subduing them into submission, I would say they lose their "first chance" at obtaining the bijū. Instead, it should shift to the next person in the challenge list as the first contender for the the freed beast. Even then, that person must now fight a bijū entirely.

That is the punishment for killing instead of subduing. Even canonically, the Akatsuki ensured they only beat the jinchūriki into submission. I propose that stays the same.

Of course, then that system could therein be abused because if the jinc didn't like the challenger, (s)he could easily "allow" themselves to die just to deny the challenger their chance at the bijū.

In which case, after I thought of that point, I might fall back on what I was saying and simply allow the challenger to take the first grabs at an attempt to nab the beast.



As for conditions, just respawns in the same area where the person was killed after a grand reappearance to let others know it exists and is free again after a week to regain its strength.

(It would be interesting to make people wait for weeks depending on tails but no one would follow that. Just a side thought that carries no real value.)

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge and respawning
« on: January 07, 2015, 05:15:31 AM »
Alright guys let's relax.

Dart, do you have concerns that there was something god mod or whatever that Machina uses that you did not want her to use in her fight with you? I mean I would not want to nerf myself either, I can also see the bad implication from the defender asking the challenger to weaken themselves, but let's try and be open minded about this.

What exactly did Machina need to nerf?

My bad. Wrong person here.

I don't like the Edo Tensei and Hiraishin claim, that's it.

The ET is too convient to claim since they are "married", and the Hiraishin claim, I don't see how she would posses that knowledge unless you or Dark allowed her to sign the scroll.

Edit: Deleted the initial post due to not reading properly. I will admit my emotions are running rather strong right now, specifically against Kayenta, and thus I reacted in that way. I don't think anyone had seen the initial post before I deleted it, but I wanted the edit to acknowledge my mistake.

Well you can certainly try and get her to agree not to use it, but I would not count on much support if you are insisting upon it. Edo Tensei has been nerfed a lot and even more in bijuu fights. You can only summon 1 zombie per bijuu fight, so if you can get rid of it in any way it's done for the rest of the fight.

@Editsfordays: Unfortunately, I can confirm they are both legitimate. She got them both from Tsuyo, who is essentially a second me, since he Human Path'd me, and is thus not bound by Dark's or my Hiraishin scroll.

That's all I needed to hear.

I'm still iffy on the the ET usage but that's just me being picky then. It's just too damned convenient.

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge and respawning
« on: January 07, 2015, 05:02:25 AM »
Alright guys let's relax.

Dart, do you have concerns that there was something god mod or whatever that Machina uses that you did not want her to use in her fight with you? I mean I would not want to nerf myself either, I can also see the bad implication from the defender asking the challenger to weaken themselves, but let's try and be open minded about this.

What exactly did Machina need to nerf?

My bad. Wrong person here.

I don't like the Edo Tensei and Hiraishin claim, that's it.

The ET is too convient to claim since they are "married", and the Hiraishin claim, I don't see how she would posses that knowledge unless you or Dark allowed her to sign the scroll.

Edit: Deleted the initial post due to not reading properly. I will admit my emotions are running rather strong right now, specifically against Kayenta, and thus I reacted in that way. I don't think anyone had seen the initial post before I deleted it, but I wanted the edit to acknowledge my mistake.

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Bijuu Arena / Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge and respawning
« on: January 07, 2015, 04:44:08 AM »
It is my assertion the bijuu should be stripped from Dart for refusal to accept a challenge.

Since Kotetsu was made to accept Yuijo's challenge, even though he was harassing him quite scathingly during his grace period, I feel that this is a president for having to put up with people who annoy you if you are a host. In the end as he was unwilling to put up with the harassment, he had to give the bijuu away.

this should also be Dart's fate because fair is fair.

If you cannot deal with the drama then you should not have the perk.


I cannot be stripped since I am actually following through with all my duties, i.e. remaining active, setting up the next challenge after Sabu's disappearances. As it is, with the proceedings as they are, the "law" in which you're trying to impose is ex post facto, and I'm immune to it.

Now if another challenge would be issued, I *still* fall under the three strikes rule meaning I have two more opportunities to nullify it her challenge, if I so desired.

I'll fix the problem. I'll challenge Dart and then get the bijuu and then give it to Bocc and then from there we go.

Oh please make this a reality, that will just lengthen the list. ;) Plus, the latter option seems to where I'm leaning at right now.

Giving it to him would be the WORST idea

Now I'm tempted even further to just "give it to him" to spite you.

I'll fix the problem. I'll challenge Dart and then get the bijuu and then give it to Bocc and then from there we go.

I agree, I'm running out of alts to give them to and I dont need all 9 till we get the Gedo Mazo, anyway. You'd be in line behind Hazama, Kamui, and Ichirou. I would be surprised, pleasantly for reference, if Dart beat all 3 of them. So that's probably not needed.

Like I said I did not care which way this went, it seems to be leaning towards you have to accept fights from all comers, so I'm going to side with the majority then and say you have to accept challenges from everyone or forfeit the bijuu. That being said if Ryu was serious about challenging me let me know.

If the Jinchueriki is killed IC the beast respawns around that area a week later, under the control of a GM, was how I thought that worked. If the host dies in a fight the bijuu goes to the winner unless they for some reason agreed to an IC fight where you cannot kill the host to get the beast.

Well, if my own [self-proclaimed*] arch nemesis [and current under fire] is agreeing with the rest, fine. I'll accept her challenge AND if she cannot conduct herself with respect and begins to insult and harass me at any moment, ALL encounters with her will be permanently null, voided, and ignored.

*Self-proclaimed because we don't actually have any IC reason to be enemies other than him being a wanted missing-nin from my village.

Also, the beast respawns after its jinchūriki is killed IC one week later under the control of a non-biased GM, that's been the standard the entire time. Now, I like the idea of the previous judge being the own in control. Helps maintain that air of consistency.


Just so you know, I'm not nerfing myself for you in the slightest. Any chance of that was lost when you were so sure you could take me. Just getting this part out of the way before it even becomes an issue.

And this right here is what I am talking about. Inability to even try to make a deal.

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