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Roleplay => All That Is Bijuu => Bijuu Arena => Topic started by: KayentaMoenkopi on September 25, 2015, 08:34:42 PM
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Please comment on the proposed rule that is listed in red. These shall be listed in categories. Feel free to suggest other categories and topics for future discussion.
Host responsibilities:
1] Hosts must commit to an active presence in the RP community.
-->Make a Forum Account
- Post a thread with challenge preferences, IC or OOC, and include date when 14 day grace period is over, within first post.
- Update current activity log once every 14 days in this thread within second post.
- Keep a challenger list in this thread within third post for OOC matches.
- Keep a Pursuer's list in this thread within third post for RP hunts/matches.
- Your preference rules do not exclude you from the basic rules.
- Matches can be held on the forum, in a separate thread, but it is not required, Time outs no longer occur on SL nor do posts disappear until months after the inactivity rules have been exceeded.
- Post any planned absences to this thread and match thread if applicable.
2]Challenger responsibilities:
How to challenge:
Who may participate in challenge:
Where will challenge be held:
Proficiency with the Beast:
Judging a match:
Stripping a Host: http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8580.0.html (http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8580.0.html)
Sealing a Bijuu:
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time frame I think should be a week to 1.5 based off how some flow of RP's go. Otherwise activity is being engaged and continually doing things as a ninja and person on the realm and it shouldn't just be doing some self RP block text post just to save your behind from being stripped. Activity as in interacting with the community your character surrounds him/herself within. Unless you are a hermit of sorts, which is understandable but some form of actions on the regular should be made.
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One of the issues that should be addressed is that of stripping someone due to not adhering to the rules.
When that occurs, a subsequent topic is made and that takes another three or so weeks.
And then people come to the defense of their friends. Biases exist, all are human...
To minimize such, have rules are detailed.
I understand this may be occurring because the rules are vague, please do try to address that. =)
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I also agree with the once a week required post. Even if your character is a hermit, then at least post in the zones or something.
Call it a little redundant, but maybe if everyone's so concerned about Jink activity, why not make a sub-forum that is basically a jink-tracker. So there'd basically be a topic for every one of the bijuu with one post in it that could be updated by a village-board mod. Kind of like this
One-Tail: Testninja
20SEP15: Posted in Kirigakure
22SEP15: Posted in dwelling in Kirigakure (keys given out for proof)
25SPE15: Posted in Zone 1
Etc...
Just kind of an activity tracker, that way when someone calls inactivity they can just refer to the tracking board to see if something was done. And it would be hard to track EVERY single thing, so I guess their last post of the day could be where their current location is set at. Or if they're very active, just do something like 15SEP15 - 25SEP15: Active RP in Kirigakure.
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Ace: I added stripping as a category.
Keito: I agree that activity should be public. However, given the difficulty on the site when it comes to getting a reply from someone, or someone to even interact with you at all, I feel that adding a condition that the RP activity should include others may not be fair.
I can't tell you how many times I make posts places and no one acknowledges me at all. But I am being active.
Mostly I look at this activity issue from the standpoint of how things have gone in the past. We had hosts who would not even log on for weeks at a time. Definitely a no-no. Sure people are going to have lives...vacations, internet service issues, health issues, death in the family, military deployment, maternity leave, unavoidable lapses in site participation. But usually a leave of absence has been acceptable in the past and for most, 1-2 weeks should be plenty enough time to resolve life issues to the point that one should at least be able to get back to duty, or log on and say...my life right now can't fit this in right now and the bijuu will have to be passed on to another.
We have had hosts who log on but do not rp in public anywhere. Also not an acceptable issue in my book. I feel that a host should be someone who is active and creative enough to go out and make rp that people can participate in. To be available for storyline game play in any form they can devise. I like the idea of the grace period...so that could still be private rp... but mostly after they are sealed and adjusted they should be doing things. Even just eating at a ramen shop in the village. They need to be visible. Somewhere.
Becquerel: A person could update their SL bio with a "current RP" and do dates like you suggest. With the understanding this is OOC info. Here a leave of absence could also be listed. I do not think that people's lives should be hampered from tending to things within the 2-4 week time frame. Longer than that and clearly their lives cannot meet the standard at this time. And there is nothing wrong with that. They can let it go and try again when things settle more for active rp.
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You know what, two weeks should be okay as the max limit. But I also believe that in the case where a bijuu user only does one post every two weeks should also not really be considered 'active' (unless they're in an active RP and RP-locked). Because seriously, logging on once every two weeks just to make one post that says your walking around is basic laziness and not good role playing standards. At that point, they're basically holding onto the bijuu for prestige.
And I figured that we have topics listed here with each of the bijuu because the members of the forum are really the only people who even care about the dang things. Having a log to keep track of a jink's activity here would mean it'd be easily accessible to the forum members. Plus, people sometimes like to list stuff in their SL bio like stats or quotes or other stuff lol
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Hey there. ;) Been awhile since I've posted in a bijuu thread. Well I have a computer again. Joyous.
I guess we're going to attempt to amend:
1] Hosts must commit to activity.
Let's start with maybe rewording that? People seem to think since they have to post every 2 weeks that posting in an rp every 13 days is abiding by the rules and that's just a shitty loophole.
Suggested:
1] Hosts must commit to an active presence in the RP community.
Much better. ^-^
Hosts MUST rp in a public area -
Accepted places: Village Boards and public rp zones
Denied areas: Dwellings, PM, Sannin/Hokage zones, Clan Halls
Exception: If you are in a clan such as Ame or one without a board then the halls are fine. Make sure your clan allows everyone in.
Hosts MUST rp every two weeks -
One week to me is too short. Feels too restrictive to me as something may come up.
The only way to abide by this requirement is by fulfilling the public area requirement. You rp'ing in a dwelling DOES NOT count towards fulfilling this requirement. To put it plainly: You must RP in a public area every two weeks.
Hosts MUST partake in bijuu topics -
(This is where my ideals will no doubt split people to agree with me or disagree with me.)
Hosts MUST partake in topics such as this. You don't own a car and then let others decide how you use it. The same applies here. As a host you have to know what is going on in the bijuu world as you have a bijuu. As a host you have to post, vote, and try to give opinions on bijuu matters. Active presence and all.
That's all I got for now.
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Becquerel: I agree that the one post every two weeks is very lame as well. At that point it really is not being active but just capitulating to the bear mins of activity for status sake's alone. Hardly an RP worthy deed.
I look at the 2 weeks as being something to tide a player over in times of life-time interference and would hope that the usual level of activity would be much more rich with actions and adventure.
however, to rigorously pursue a cut and dried regulation on what constitutes activity is to kill creativity and deny the random vagaries of life and inspiration.
Shadow: I like that edit and will place it there for continued discussion. It speaks more to the spirit of this issue under discussion. [sorry. i miss that often]
As to public areas: I think the upper zones should count, because of the desire to NOT post over RPs in progress in the other zones. It is potentially more public than a clan hall, after all. However, in the spirit of being accessible to those with ranks that prohibit them from reaching the Sannin and Kage zones, on the host's bio...if current RP locales were listed...then a challenger could pm the host and request they continue rping in a more accessible area. Just as with a clan hall, where a player has to join that clan to engage the host, this too could be manageable.
I like the idea of the hosts getting together to discuss issues. However, if things become too volatile, I see no reason to demand they show up. no one likes to be in a negative environment.
Eventually I would like to get back to a more hospital community where our differences are handled with mannerly discussion. Until that day arrives, to force people to participate in such things is not going to work. I know that from first hand experience there are times when I am just sick of everyone, I am sure they get sick of me too. Ideally it would be nice for all hosts to comment, but realistically I feel we have to understand that there will be times when it is just not going to happen, nor should that issue be forced.
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Uh Kayenta it's me Ben. Shadow. >.>
Madara is the other guy.
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As to public areas: I think the upper zones should count, because of the desire to NOT post over RPs in progress in the other zones. It is potentially more public than a clan hall, after all. However, in the spirit of being accessible to those with ranks that prohibit them from reaching the Sannin and Kage zones, on the host's bio...if current RP locales were listed...then a challenger could pm the host and request they continue rping in a more accessible area. Just as with a clan hall, where a player has to join that clan to engage the host, this too could be manageable.
I like the idea of the hosts getting together to discuss issues. However, if things become too volatile, I see no reason to demand they show up. no one likes to be in a negative environment.
Eventually I would like to get back to a more hospital community where our differences are handled with mannerly discussion. Until that day arrives, to force people to participate in such things is not going to work. I know that from first hand experience there are times when I am just sick of everyone, I am sure they get sick of me too. Ideally it would be nice for all hosts to comment, but realistically I feel we have to understand that there will be times when it is just not going to happen, nor should that issue be forced.
There has never been a time when all the zones were taken up and nor will there be for the foreseeable future. There's 11 zones counting the main one. Should be plenty of room to rp there.
I understand that, but I would at least like them to post at the least something like "I agree with so and so" and such. There's a lot of variables, but presence needs to be shown I think.
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currently there is only one or two zones that are absolutely free from active rp. and 9 bijuu? As I said, the upper zones are more accessible than clan halls, which was proposed as being acceptable to public rp. I think it should count for activity. they are public boards of the site.
I don't know, maybe neji would be willing to open them up for all ranks. Or to add more zones so those who feel the need to be elite can...for whatever reason. I personally have had rp die cause I reset and could not go back to continue the event. I will make a suggestion in the features board.
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As long as you can prove your posting in those places, I think it should be fine. Though, like Shadow said, the clans themselves must accept everyone so they can check up on said activity.
The one thing I have a problem with is the upper level zones, because I feel like that is a cheap Cop out on the activity rule. Everyone can join a clan, not everyone can look at the Hokage level zones. Now, that's not to say you can't post there, but if someone is looking for you, you should make it possible for them to find you.
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As long as you can prove your posting in those places, I think it should be fine. Though, like Shadow said, the clans themselves must accept everyone so they can check up on said activity.
Once again, if Dart's idea's not considered and bijuu remain collectible, a tracking forum topic could be used to track the posts. That way it's basically a logbook of bijuu activity, so if anyone wants to challenge it they could just look in the book and then compare what it said to what's posted.
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As long as you can prove your posting in those places, I think it should be fine. Though, like Shadow said, the clans themselves must accept everyone so they can check up on said activity.
Once again, if Dart's idea's not considered and bijuu remain collectible, a tracking forum topic could be used to track the posts. That way it's basically a logbook of bijuu activity, so if anyone wants to challenge it they could just look in the book and then compare what it said to what's posted.
I for one would still rather look for myself. Both options can be implemented.
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Hopefully we can get the upper zones unlocked so all ranks can enter them. Otherwise it is hard, even though a host could move his rp if someone requests they meet them for actual accessibility. But it should still count as activity because they are being productive and should not fall under the inactivity clause or be reason for extraction of the bijuu.
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I originally wanted to post this in the 'Poll: Biju Rules' thread but w/e.
In regards to the bijuu rules, I think every jinchuuriki should copy Kage's perferences.
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8043.msg224990.html#msg224990
- OOC Deathmatch - No mentioning of IC hunts because seriously that's a waste of time and contributes nothing except headaches and bickering.
- All participants have up to 3 days (72 hours) to post. - This a perfect rule and I also have thought of this before. This keeps the match moving and since most of you take too long to post anyway, I can see this being 'won by default' a lot.
- Real life situations that call for an extended leave of abscence ... can be extended to 5 days - And he's even fair about it but perhaps make it a one time thing during the match so it won't get a abused Kage
- In the event of my own loss, the challenger shall agree to inherit my challenge list. - No one has to worry about missing their chance or having to submit their challenge over again
I notice there's nothing about re-post, if you're allowed one or not.
If Kage does not want to give 1 free re-post, then that's great because once again, that's will also contribute to the 'won by default' category.
There you have it folks, an ideal preference list. No I'm not joking.
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If everyone should do those don't they stop being preferences and start being rules?
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Deathstroke look at the title of the thread. >.>
But yes, they can be rules.
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Yeah I know. I just think it's weird to say no preferences and instead on pretty specific set of rules instead
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And what if a host become to locked with a dwelling for a month or so? This is possible.
Also opening up all the zones to everyone is absurd. What's the point in them being dedicated to those who have earned that right to visit them? I think it'd be batter to just add more zones. Perhaps we could come together to think of some cool zones. Like a sea zone located out in the ocean. Or the fire temple become a zone. A swamp zone. A floating island zone. A regular island zone. A busy city zone. Endless ideas really.
I'd say if you are to damned the rules though make it simple these:
1) biju can only be lost or won in OOC matches; if the host dies IC the beast goes to the next person on challenge list, if no challenger it goes up for an OOC single elemination torny
2) all host must accept challenges
3) if you don't win your challenge you can challenger again in three months
4) host must actively keep track of challenges
5) three decided upon judges are to be used
6) both host and challenger should form a topic giving all details about their battle so no one can deny what was legal or not legal to be done later; if one does not use form the judges should make sure that all is agreed upon and post in that person place
I feel that's a good start
Now I say the beast can in fact be used IC by host but they can t be sealed or stolen IC. Make the fighting for them strict 1vs1 OOC
Or we void them hehehhe
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That's actually something I want to bring up.
Say that somebody is in the middle of an OOC match from a challenger. Then while RPing IC elsewhere on SL, somebody attempts to steal their Tailed Beast and succeeds somehow. Which would supercede the other in terms of legitimacy: the challenger who in the end could win but not receive their prize, or the person who made their way to stealing the beast IC?
Yeah I know that if the host prefers an OOC match, then why would somebody try to steal it IC in the first place? Maybe it's impatience or negligence, but I'm just bringing to light this slight loop-hole. One solution I propose is that Tailed Beasts can't be steal-able IC if the preferred method is OOC match, at least while there are challengers on the holder's list.
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That's actually something I want to bring up.
Say that somebody is in the middle of an OOC match from a challenger. Then while RPing IC elsewhere on SL, somebody attempts to steal their Tailed Beast and succeeds somehow. Which would supercede the other in terms of legitimacy: the challenger who in the end could win but not receive their prize, or the person who made their way to stealing the beast IC?
Yeah I know that if the host prefers an OOC match, then why would somebody try to steal it IC in the first place? Maybe it's impatience or negligence, but I'm just bringing to light this slight loop-hole. One solution I propose is that Tailed Beasts can't be steal-able IC if the preferred method is OOC match, at least while there are challengers on the holder's list.
In the previous set of rules, it was a kind of "first victory first served" kind of thing, meaning that hosts needed to avoid getting into engagements IC that might would endanger the beast. I don't know how you guys are going to do the new setup, but it was less of a loophole and more of an acceptance that even with an OOC match preference, being taken down IC by another RPer and getting the beast extracted is a possibility.
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Actually it would be hard to 'steal the Tailed Beast and succeeds' IC.
1. You have to find out who the jinchuuriki is IC
2. Need to find out where the jinchuuriki is.
3. You would need to sneak-attack the jinchuuriki otherwise the jinchuuriki does have the right to refuse IC as opposed to OCC. After all, they will die IC so what sense does that make?
4. In regards to #3, of course you can continue your attacks on the jinchuuriki but most likely their comrades will be nearby. Soon 1v1 will turn into 2v1, then 3v1, and depending on the situation, the village's kage may show up.
5. Or the jinchuuriki can plan their escape as well.
So yeah, you would be better off waiting for your turn. >.>
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Actually it would be hard to 'steal the Tailed Beast and succeeds' IC.
1. You have to find out who the jinchuuriki is IC
2. Need to find out where the jinchuuriki is.
3. You would need to sneak-attack the jinchuuriki otherwise the jinchuuriki does have the right to refuse IC as opposed to OCC. After all, they will die IC so what sense does that make?
4. In regards to #3, of course you can continue your attacks on the jinchuuriki but most likely their comrades will be nearby. Soon 1v1 will turn into 2v1, then 3v1, and depending on the situation, the village's kage may show up.
5. Or the jinchuuriki can plan their escape as well.
So yeah, you would be better off waiting for your turn. >.>
That in no way means it can not happen though.
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Actually it would be hard to 'steal the Tailed Beast and succeeds' IC.
1. You have to find out who the jinchuuriki is IC
2. Need to find out where the jinchuuriki is.
3. You would need to sneak-attack the jinchuuriki otherwise the jinchuuriki does have the right to refuse IC as opposed to OCC. After all, they will die IC so what sense does that make?
4. In regards to #3, of course you can continue your attacks on the jinchuuriki but most likely their comrades will be nearby. Soon 1v1 will turn into 2v1, then 3v1, and depending on the situation, the village's kage may show up.
5. Or the jinchuuriki can plan their escape as well.
So yeah, you would be better off waiting for your turn. >.>
That in no way means it can not happen though.
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Actually it would be hard to 'steal the Tailed Beast and succeeds' IC.
1. You have to find out who the jinchuuriki is IC
2. Need to find out where the jinchuuriki is.
3. You would need to sneak-attack the jinchuuriki otherwise the jinchuuriki does have the right to refuse IC as opposed to OCC. After all, they will die IC so what sense does that make?
4. In regards to #3, of course you can continue your attacks on the jinchuuriki but most likely their comrades will be nearby. Soon 1v1 will turn into 2v1, then 3v1, and depending on the situation, the village's kage may show up.
5. Or the jinchuuriki can plan their escape as well.
So yeah, you would be better off waiting for your turn. >.>
*cough* The only difference with IC hunts that people used to have to go through and that is that the host can't bail at the first sign of danger. Other than that, that pretty much sums of IC hunting with or without a challenge back in the previous batch of rule. :-?
Besides, it is viable to happen if the host just so happens to get gimped by someone they know right before the big finisher in the OOC match.
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Still, to say that IC super-cedes an OOC match that's been going before that IC activity for the sole purpose of attaining a Tailed Beast is a big screw-you to people who have been waiting and fighting for the beast. If anything, someone can just plan to have their beast "stolen" or "transferred" so they can have the chance to not lose it in an OOC match if they seem to be currently losing.
It defeats the purpose of having the preference to have an OOC match in the first place.
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Mmm....I really don't see this happening though due to all the running around and the jumping through hoops these jinchuuriki make you go through to find them IC. >.>
Plus the disadvantages I have previously mentioned.
But if that's a concern, we can 'ban' seeking out jinchuurikis IC.
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Mmm....I really don't see this happening though due to all the running around and the jumping through hoops these jinchuuriki make you go through to find them IC. >.>
Plus the disadvantages I have previously mentioned.
But if that's a concern, we can 'ban' seeking out jinchuurikis IC.
What if someone has an IC reason other than their bijuu to kill them while they are in an OOC fight for their bijuu.
Like if someone hired an assassin to kill a villainous ninja, as a totally off the top of my head idea.
There's no way to stop that other than flat out saying the host cannot rp IC while they do their fight which is part of the reason people make the fights OOC in the first place so that would kinda suck.
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Actually I forgot to add that killing the jinchuuriki IC would only make the bijuu respawn a week later right? They would have to try to defeat the jinchuuriki w/o killing him/her AND bring the body back with them to unseal the bijuu. >.>
It would be a Killer Bee scenario when the Kumo shinobis went in search of Bee.
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Actually I forgot to add that killing the jinchuuriki IC would only make the bijuu respawn a week later right? They would have to try to defeat the jinchuuriki w/o killing him/her AND bring the body back with them to unseal the bijuu. >.>
It would be a Killer Bee scenario when the Kumo shinobis went in search of Bee.
That would still stop the OOC challenger from having a claim to the bijuu though.
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Well if the OOC challenger defeats the jinchurriki before the IC challenger can successfully capture AND unseal the bijuu, then the OCC challenger is the new jinchuuriki.
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Well if the OOC challenger defeats the jinchurriki before the IC challenger can successfully capture AND unseal the bijuu, then the OCC challenger is the new jinchuuriki.
Yes I understand that.
My point was that if the host dies for any reason before the OOC fight is done than the challenger should lose out on the beast since it is going to respawn in a weeks time and is no longer with who they are fighting. If the host is allowed to rp during the fight then there is always a chance that they could be killed. So it was not really be possible to "ban" the IC hunting of hosts due to that. Some other reason would just be thought up to kill them.
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Yes I understand that.
My point was that if the host dies for any reason before the OOC fight is done than the challenger should lose out on the beast since it is going to respawn in a weeks time and is no longer with who they are fighting. If the host is allowed to rp during the fight then there is always a chance that they could be killed. So it was not really be possible to "ban" the IC hunting of hosts due to that. Some other reason would just be thought up to kill them.
Oh, I see...well I guess that cannot be helped.
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Or, as Mei was getting at, since the rules are being re-made anyways, just prevent the acquisition of the biju IC if the preferences are OOC. If the user croaks, they croak, and the challenger's match determines if they get the beast or not. If the challenger loses, then the beast respawns and all that good cheese. If the challenger wins, they get the beast.
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Speaking of re-made rules, when we have all the rules down, I assume we would need the support of the community as well as the current SL kages. They would need to be enforce somehow.
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Or, as Mei was getting at, since the rules are being re-made anyways, just prevent the acquisition of the biju IC if the preferences are OOC. If the user croaks, they croak, and the challenger's match determines if they get the beast or not. If the challenger loses, then the beast respawns and all that good cheese. If the challenger wins, they get the beast.
That's fine, we just need to do something like that to close that loop hole.
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Actually I forgot to add that killing the jinchuuriki IC would only make the bijuu respawn a week later right? They would have to try to defeat the jinchuuriki w/o killing him/her AND bring the body back with them to unseal the bijuu. >.>
It would be a Killer Bee scenario when the Kumo shinobis went in search of Bee.
Perhaps. However I still like the idea that if the host dies the beast goes next to the person in line challenging for it. If that person is currently battling fr it let them finish te match and if they win they get it; if the lose the next in line gets it; if there is no challenger perhaps the host can pick the next host which can't be an alt as to keep it in the village clear if no one challenges then no one wants it that badly. And to get around a village keepin it be default of grace period they must accept challenges durin their grace but can wait to fight them until after grace.
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So we done here all the rules fixed?
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Not at all, people are just too lazy to keep the topic going xD
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Not at all, people are just too lazy to keep the topic going xD
People are just super tired of the bickering, we are taking a hiatus of sorts or something.
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I figured, that's why I wanted to remind people this is still a thing.
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Alright this is what I managed to throw together.
Host responsibilities:
Act like a respectable human being.
Have a forum account. Check it.
Hosts need to commit to be active. A host should have to post in public (so not a dwelling or high level zone) at the very least once every two weeks. If you post in a fighting zone note where in the world you are rping that zone as being. Perhaps even something adding that once a month or two they need to travel outside their country of residence. That’s just an idea of mine to stop getting Jinchuriki posting every 13 days on their village board going, “I go get some lunch and then go home and watch Netflix all night.” Obviously if they are tied up in a public rp and their turn does not come up within that time frame than it is ok, they’re still just as accessible.
Make a challenger list. The list will be chronological in the order that people challenged you. Falsifying the list in anyway, such as changing the order of challengers or failing to record a challenger, will result in the host being stripped of their beast and being barred from challenging for it or any other beast for a period of no less than 6 months, assuming such falsification can be proven (Screen caps of message dates, etc, NOT hearsay). The list will be publically available on the forum. When someone challenges you or their turn to fight you comes up you should acknowledge them within a week or risk being stripped.
No challenger can be declined.
If a host defeats a challenger than that person cannot challenge the host again for any of their bijuu for 3 months. If a challenger is found to be using alts to get around this rule they will immediately be disqualified and be barred from all bijuu challenges for an additional 3 months.
Challenger responsibilities:
Act like a respectable human being.
Have a forum account. Check it.
Be available. If you challenge a Jinchuriki who has no current challengers than expect to quickly begin discussing your challenge and starting the fight. If a Jinchuriki responds to your challenge and you do not get back to them within a week then they have the right to skip you and move on to the next challenger, bumping you down to THE BOTTOM of the challenger list.
How to challenge:
Instead of pm’ing someone on SL make a post on the forum in the bijuu arena board. That way the host and many others are witnesses to when you challenged them, there’s no secret pm’s going on or he said she said junk.
“Challenge to Host of the Whatever-Tailed Beast.”
Just like that. Perhaps people can post all under the hosts preferences page to keep it in one place.
As for the rules of the match all bijuu fights will be OOC by default. So if no one specifies what the match is then it is OOC. It can be IC but only if the host and the challenger agree to it.
No more IC hunt rules. If a Jinchuriki is killed IC while a bijuu challenge is going on than they just die. If the host retains his beast in the challenge than the beast goes to the person who killed them IC (Assuming they’re inclined to take it and aren’t just killing them for some other reason) if they do not want it the beast returns to the hosts village/clan. If the host loses the challenge then his challenger gets the beast and (if the killer is so inclined) then the killer will take the first spot on the new hosts challenger list. Yes I know this isn’t “fair” for the IC hunter but we’ve given that system plenty of time to work and it sucks. So the possibility of killing someone IC for a bijuu is not removed but it is encouraged that you take the OOC route instead. The fact an IC killer can jump the challenger list is concession enough, imho.
The other stuff with preferences and such can stay but it needs to be clear that they are preferences and cannot be enforced like they are rules. Hosts cannot go, “Well if you don’t like my preferences don’t challenge me.” Because that inevitably leads to someone making one of their preferences, “I only fight baked potatoes. So I don’t need to accept your challenge.” We’re all fans of Naruto and everyone should have a fair shot for every beast. I think Madara currently doesn’t accept Yamanaka clan techniques, for instance. Well if a Yamanaka challenges him he’s probably going to have to drop that one. Obviously it cannot go too far in the other direction either, with the challenger being able to force the host to drop all of their preferences. If you need them to drop a void of a specific technique that is important to you then you’ll need to accept another one of their preferences that you might not like in exchange.
The time allowed between posts should always be agreed upon and stated publically before the fight commences, so no one can take advantage of it. If you need more time due to a real emergency you can declare such and have an extra week to post, no questions asked, but this can only be done once per fight. If either the host or the challenger is not going to be able to post in the agreed upon time frame they can make an OOC post in the fight requesting more time, though it falls on the opposing party to allow it or not.
Who may participate in challenge:
It should only ever be the host on their side, the number of challengers could change as I will detail in another section.
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Where will challenge be held:
The fights will be held on the forum. I have been in fights where the posts being deleted due to time out has become an issue.
As for the zone the battle will take place in it can be decided by either side, should the host or challenger concede that decision. If an agreement cannot be reached then the fight will take place in the “Main Zone” as it is the most neutral arena.
If host and challenger agree on it then they can fight in an area that is not one of the pre-made fighting zones. However this leaves the opening posts of the match to detail what the zone contains, and after that changes cannot be made. So 10 posts in if someone is shooting a bijuu bomb at you then you can’t claim to hide in a hidden bunker that was there the whole time.
Time of day and weather conditions should also be decided beforehand.
Proficiency with the Beast:
This is one thing that has really never had rules. So I propose this variation on a system some have been using.
30 days per tail. During that period the host has to make a least one post of them communing with and/or fighting their bijuu for control.
Each reset in Sharingan, Mokuton, and Rinnegan can reduce the days required by one per reset, due to those KG’s beast taming abilities. Resets = KG seems to be a lot less strict these days but the same levels still apply, if you rp with a 3 Path Eye than you can knock three days off the time limit. These can all be stacked together to reduce the time per tail down to 16 days. It cannot be reduced to less time than that.
The beast must be completely mastered before the Jinchuriki can access Tailed Beast Mode. The Bijuu Bomb can only be used while in Tailed Beast Mode. The Bijuu’s passive ability can be accessed immediately upon being sealed with the beast, but the power will be weaker than someone who has mastered the beast (this will be elaborated upon).
If a Jinchuriki attempts to access more tails than they have mastered they will lose control of the beast. If they were not already in a V2 cloak they will immediately ascend to such at the level of tails they attempted to access. They must then rp is much the same way as Naruto having lost control of Kurama. The host is unconscious and subject to the whims of a furious bijuu. They will attack perpetually until anything that could be perceived as an opponent is killed, this includes their own summons, such as animals or Edo Tensei zombies. The host will gain a tail each turn starting after the turn they first lost control. After reaching the maximum number of tails in the V2 state the host will ascend to the full bijuu form on the next turn. If this happens the host is killed and the challenger need only subdue the rampaging bijuu to win the match.
Judging a match:
Before a match starts the host and the challenger need to agree on who the judge will be for the fight.
The judge has the final say on any decision they are requested to make. Obviously you won’t like it if they say you’re wrong but that’s why they’re there, otherwise host and challenger just shout at each other till someone turns blue and passes out.
If the judge makes a decision that you cannot abide by, such as losing the match due to clearly erroneous circumstances, then the situation can be brought to the attention of the forum. THIS SHOULD BE AN ABSOLUTE LAST RESORT, ONLY TO BE USED WHEN THE OUTCOME OF THE FIGHT IS BEING DECIDED. It should be pretty clear to everyone if a mistake was made in the decision making process so if you make an appeal topic and a week passes and no one agrees with you than you are out of luck.
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Stripping a Host:
A host can be stripped if they fail to acknowledge a challenger. That challenger can then bring this to the attention of the forum who will agree that the host should be stripped. At this point the host can try and run in and explain how they were nursing their wounded grandmother back to health and will fight the challenger right now, but if it is beyond the time they were given to acknowledge the challenge then the challenger can still choose to continue the strip process.
Sealing a Bijuu:
I think this should just be OOC, if you win you’re the Jinchuriki.
Bijuu as Summons:
I’m ok with the current bijuu as summons rules.
How Many Bijuu Can One Person Have:
As everyone knows I disagree with the consensus on this and think you should be able to have as many bijuu as you are willing to defend. You can only host one of course.
If I am host of the 9 tails and have the 4 tails as a summon and are challenged for both of those bijuu then I need to defend both of them in a 2v1 match. If I lose then the challengers get the beast they challenged for.
If I am defending just one bijuu against someone and someone challenges for the other in the middle of the fight then they would join the fight, making an entrance post and such. No techniques can be used on your entrance post nor can you attack or defend anyone. You must enter in such a way that both sides of the battle can detect your appearance, after that you can do whatever you want to hide yourself.
If multiple people are challenging for the same bijuu than this is not done.
If people are working together as a team to capture the same bijuu and the host wants to agree to fight them all then they can choose to do so. This is up to the host and they can say that they will only fight them 1v1.
Ok done. For now.
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You will have to make sure "agree to strip" is not the only thing that will be done. The strip condition, if it is going to be "beyond the time and that is it" should be just that. There should not be any discussion beyond "did they go beyond time in activity with and/or without notice", or else you will find it tricky to get it to stick, similar to the old rules.
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You will have to make sure "agree to strip" is not the only thing that will be done. The strip condition, if it is going to be "beyond the time and that is it" should be just that. There should not be any discussion beyond "did they go beyond time in activity with and/or without notice", or else you will find it tricky to get it to stick, similar to the old rules.
That is what I meant to say. You just need to bring it to the attention of the forum and confirm that it was done without prior, agreed upon, notice.
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You will have to make sure "agree to strip" is not the only thing that will be done. The strip condition, if it is going to be "beyond the time and that is it" should be just that. There should not be any discussion beyond "did they go beyond time in activity with and/or without notice", or else you will find it tricky to get it to stick, similar to the old rules.
That is what I meant to say. You just need to bring it to the attention of the forum and confirm that it was done without prior, agreed upon, notice.
No voting, no "see what the majority says", just present evidence and move on? Sounds doable.
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You will have to make sure "agree to strip" is not the only thing that will be done. The strip condition, if it is going to be "beyond the time and that is it" should be just that. There should not be any discussion beyond "did they go beyond time in activity with and/or without notice", or else you will find it tricky to get it to stick, similar to the old rules.
That is what I meant to say. You just need to bring it to the attention of the forum and confirm that it was done without prior, agreed upon, notice.
No voting, no "see what the majority says", just present evidence and move on? Sounds doable.
Yeah since the conditions for strip will just be not acknowledging or not posting you just need to basically say they did that, and we'll be able to see if it's true. If they didn't post in the time frame agreed on we'll see that since it's on the forum and agree that they lost. And if you challenged them and they failed to respond in the time frame we'll see that too because you challenged them on the forum.
Basically just bring it to the attention of everyone so we can, #1, know that the bijuu is changing hands and, #2, point out if you're wrong and/or jumping the gun. It might be the 7th day calendar wise but it may be noon and you made your post at 5 pm. So really it's been 6 days and 19 hours. They should have the full time to post.
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I know I said I wasn't going to do this, but I still think the OOC option is being made too complicated and that taking away the IC option defeats the purpose of having a bijuu; to use in RP. And for those who want RP, then accommodations should be made. If you are going to hunt Kayenta down to kill her ---let's say because of her willingness to make Suna a missing ninja safe home and refusal to turn them over to their prior village of affiliation during her reign as Nidaime, you are going to have to find her. And that is just standard RP. Currently she is out to sea looking for her brother Teostra. And I am sorry that people do not know she is on that mission so just showing up without reasonable searching RP having been performed is going to get you laughed at and ignored.
Now pretend she has a bijuu, god forbid. Suddenly standard RP goes out the window? Why? because it is hard? Well too bad. I am not taking one in the knee just because I have a toy that people fight over so hard they lose their minds. You aren't suddenly going to be able to say...report to zone 7 so I can kill you now Kay. [incidentally that is exactly where she is] But that is what you are telling hosts who want RP.
The issue of even knowing a host is a host. For the above scenario of wanting to kill the Nidaime Kazekage, by now it is common knowledge that is Kayenta, so I am fine with that. But specifically looking for the host of the 9 tails, for instance, should require some RP to learn who it is and where they are. For Hosts who wish to be IC hunted and fought, a challenge list makes no sense.
So how do we go about making the IC hunt possible?
Well for starters, hunters should have to be active in RP. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. If you want Shukaku, then get it into your head you are on an IC hunt. Otherwise go choose an OOC host where you do not have to work so hard. But if you are up to the challenge of taking Warren down, then I suggest you step up your game and enter the RP mind set instead of crying around that this host is a cheater and trying to keep everyone from taking his beasty.
Granted it is difficult to keep up with every storyline on the site. Some suggestions were made about dropping hints so people could at least have a lead. Information tag lines to the bio should accommodate this with the understanding it is OOC information.
Ex: Notoriety Status: Weak = Kayenta, The Dread Pirate Robert, Joe the Barbor, etc...
Location: Zone 6 = an uncharted island in the south seas
Clues: Gain familiarity with Shukaku chakra, investigate Suna as a known village of interest
At the risk of making anyone a target, who-what-where-when-how....was any particular beast dealt with in the past? What is public knowledge about the beast? Investigate and run your leads out to the eventual end game scenario.
But throwing your hands up in the air and saying, "oh this is impossible." Well that is a hunter issue, not a host one and it should be dealt with on that end rather than the other.
So what happens when you actually Find Kayenta?
Well you will have some obstacles to be sure.
There is that biozome effect about the island that will have to be dealt with. But here is where some OOC dialogue can be useful.
"Uhm hey kay. I found you. now what? Oh? There are storms round your island? Cool, I will be sure to note that in my RP. Thanks! see you soon." And then you can go about dealing with the obstacle placed in your way. Through RP. You might get through, you might not. Them's the breaks Bubby-Joe.
What else? The island is infested with chakra wielding sentient dinosaur beasts! HOLY COW THAT IS SO COOL, WHY WAS I NOT INVITED TO GO ON THIS QUEST TOO!!!!
Again, this information can be imparted through pms so you don't look like an idiot by missing the obvious in the environment you have just entered. Iburi Ray is actually GMing those beasts so expect an encounter from him. A good old heads up to Ray...come out and play...will fix that up.
What else? Well I am not alone. The truth is out there.
Hiro Toranaga and Becquerel are with me. So it is iffy if Hiro will give a hoot [ he has never forgiven she and Cmage for entering into an alliance after the war between Suna and Kiri ], but maybe cause he needs something from Kay that his life depends on, duh duh duh. And Becquerel might feel heroic, who knows? Do you feel heroic Bec? DO you feel period?
You might have more to face than just Kayenta. Cause if Hiro and Bec find reasonable motivation to fight you, then there it is. They might not just stand around wringing their hands crying, "Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!" Then again they might just pull up lawn chairs, eat popcorn, and laugh their butts off.
This is rp.
You wanna spar with Kayenta? Well then welcome to OOC world. Not rp. So when you kill her, later that day she is going to be alive and well doing her thang again.
Reasonable Obstacles
None of these issues in the Quest for Teostra RP are insurmountable. But what about the uber no way no how go F yourself village defense system? It bites my butt just as hard as it does yours, and they came to be because some attacks on the village were being made to totally wipe it from the face of the earth and one shot a whole village out of existence and people were sick of it. So now...the ability of a ninja to sneak into a village is void. And that is just total bullshit. You all know it is. And it needs to stop. BUT. YOU WAR MONGERS NEED TO BE WILLING TO STOP TOTAL EXTINCTION RPS IN ORDER TO MAKE BIJUU HUNTING AND BASIC NINJA SKILLS POSSIBLE AGAIN AND HAVE NO ONE TO BLAME BUT YOURSELVES FOR THE CURRENT SITUATION! You want to take the IC out of bijuu hunting because it is impossible? Well you are going to have to give something up to make it possible again. And so are the villages.
Fighting The Mob
While it is true that if you come to the village gates and shout out that you want to kill Dorothy, turn her over or the Emerald City will go down in flames, the whole town is going to jump up and take you down. It will be one against the entire population, other than traitors who will be slain in the town square when we are done with you. So don't be a boob and call down the entire world on your silly-self. But if you do, well too bad. And if it takes three years to finish the rp...guess you bit off more than you could chew so choak on it.
However, let's don't go there? A reasonable number of people should be involved so we can all be home for Christmas in this life time. For every attacker, no more than five defenders? And if it gets bigger...then divide it up into minor battle teams to keep the action moving along...and please, go to the zones and let the rest of the village who could care less have a place to have lives while you guys are hacking each other up. Just pretend your little scene is isolated and playing out on its own on another posting board set up to be the village. Unless of course everyone wishes to have this be a huge big major event in which case god help you and see you in 20 years.
That brings me to character death.
I still believe that is the ultimate in character control and should be left up to the player in question regardless of how you say it makes sense now that they are dead.
And I feel nothing is lower than to say of an inactive person in an unresolved RP that their body is now yours to be your little play thing. How big and powerful you are to claim victory over a foe who is not even playing. Way to go buddy. Good job.
The point is, our various preferences should be applicable to more than just what moves I will accept during the fight.
Let's get CRUDE!!!
Some want to skip the date and just get down to the nitty gritty, Wham bam thank you mister!
'Yes dear, I'll call. promise. We'll do lunch!'
Others want a little romance and the thrill of the chase before it gets down to the wire.
And what's wrong with that? Step outside your comfort zone and walk a bit on the wild side.
SO...you all want to take the bijuu matches into OOC only?
do you know what that means?
It no longer exists in RP. So don't go bringing one to my village or characters and using it in RP. Cause the last IC person I saw with that bijuu quit SL 6 years ago. All the actual Jinchuuriki are missing nin who have disappeared from the world.
There are you facts of the day on RP from Kayenta.
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My thoughts added, those I agree from Bocc's list included. Bulletted for ease of reading.
-->Make a Forum Account
- Post a thread with challenge preferences, IC or OOC, and include date when 14 day grace period is over, within first post.
- Update current activity log once every 14 days in this thread within second post.
- Keep a challenger list in this thread within third post. This includes IC hunters as well.
- Your preference rules do not exclude you from the basic rules.
- Matches can be held on the forum, in a separate thread, but it is not required, Time outs no longer occur on SL nor do posts disappear until months after the inactivity rules have been exceeded.
- Post any planned absences to this thread and match thread if applicable.
-->Activity
- You must make public posts once every 14 days in accessible areas. No dwellings, Hoshigakure, or upper zones will count.
- You must post in a current match once every 7 days.
- Failure to keep up activity will end in removal of beast.
- Notification of absence must be made in your forum preference thread and forum match thread if applicable. This includes in or out of match absences. Absences over 14 days will result in stripping. You may try again when life permits activity.
- You will not be stripped if public rp inactivity prevents you from taking your turn in the time frame of an IC match. However, after 14 days of waiting, the inactive player should be skipped or Character Controlled in a reasonable, passive manner in order to progress the RP. Such inactive players cannot be injured nor cause injury to another during a pass or CC turn.
-->You Must Accept All Challenges
- Defeated challengers cannot challenge the same host for the same bijuu for 3 months.
- violating this rule with alts will get you banned from ALL bijuu challenges for 6 months.
- The grace period of 14 days is sacred. No challenges will be accepted until it has elapsed.
- You must notify next challenger when it is their turn through pm. Make a reply to your preference thread that you have notified the next challenger.
- If challenger does not begin setting up the match with the host within 7 days of notification he is skipped and bumped to the bottom of the challenge list. Make edits to challenger list to reflect this bump.
- You may not challenge yourself on an alt. Violation of this will get you stripped and banned from all bijuu challenges for 6 months.
-->Challenging a Host
- You must post to the host's preference thread to make a valid challenge.
- You must check forum threads to stay informed.
- You must set up match particulars with host within 7 days of notification or you will be bumped to the bottom of his/her challenge list.
- You cannot challenge any host until after their 14 day grace period is over.
- You are bound by the activity rules too. Notify host of inactivity in pm and his preference thread or forum match if applicable. After 14 days in a notified inactivity you will bow out gracefully and may challenge this host for this bijuu again after 3 months.
- You must post to match every 7 days. After 7 days from a non-notified inactivity, you will bow out gracefully and may challenge this host for this bijuu again after 3 months.
- You may have more than one OOC match going at the same time.
- You can only do one IC match with no OOC matches at the same time.
- After Inactivity or defeat you may challenge a different host, or the same host for a different bijuu right away.
- OOC matches are 1v1. Preferences can alter this upon agreement of all parties involved.
- IC match participants will be arranged at time of encounter. Additions and extractions of participants are up to those involved. Be reasonable. Horde matches take too long. Please avoid this scenario.
-->Proficiency With Beast. [this needs work and is an RP issue but i copied bocc's list where I agree]
- 30 days per tail. You must post rp to this effect during that time.
- Beast taming ability KGs should be RP only. Resets do not decrease number of days to proficiency for each tail unless any reset counts. This is an OOC issue, has nothing to do with skill, and I do not see why it matters at all. But...this is the part that needs discussion. Try not to mix IC and OOC here. Forest fighting is an OOC thing, and accounts can be bought and people borrow resets so it really is not a measure of having earned anything and is just hand waving. My opinions, such as they are, differ from others. Here is where IC wins the day. RP to earn proficiency for the win. KG that are RP'd, not reset, should be what matters since we are talking RP proficiency.
- rehosting a formerly held bijuu decreasing proficiency but only if it was previously mastered. Otherwise the struggle of will starts all over again against a beast who was never completely befriended. Subduing does not infer mastery. How many days should this count for? It needs work.
- The beast must be completely mastered before the Jinchuriki can access Tailed Beast Mode. The Bijuu Bomb can only be used while in Tailed Beast Mode. The Bijuu’s passive ability can be accessed immediately upon being sealed with the beast, but the power will be weaker than someone who has mastered the beast.
- If a Jinchuriki attempts to access more tails than they have mastered they will lose control of the beast. If they were not already in a V2 cloak they will immediately ascend to such at the level of tails they attempted to access. They must then rp is much the same way as Naruto having lost control of Kurama. The host is unconscious and subject to the whims of a furious bijuu. They will attack perpetually until anything that could be perceived as an opponent is killed, this includes their own summons, such as animals or Edo Tensei zombies. The host will gain a tail each turn starting after the turn they first lost control. After reaching the maximum number of tails in the V2 state the host will ascend to the full bijuu form on the next turn. If this happens the host is killed and the challenger need only subdue the rampaging bijuu to win the match.
--> Bijuu Summons and Multiple Beasts
- Summons are permitted, but the bijuu is hostile and must be contained as such.
- You can only host one beast at a time.
- You cannot use an extra bijuu in a match that has its own challenger list, but must do those matches in a timely fashion too.
- Due to each beast having its own list of challengers, you can only be challenged for one bijuu at a time by that same person in the same match, unless that same challenger happens to be on both lists and their turn happens to arrive at the same time for both beasts. You do not have to make that match be for both but may break them into two separate OOC fights.
- If you are using a bijuu with no challenge list in a match to defend another and then get challenged for that extra bijuu, after the one week to make arrangements has expired, you must exit that bijuu from the prior match so that its challenger may begin his/her match with you.
- OOC - if you host a beast and use another as a summons during the match and lose while both are actively in the battle, you lose them both. ONLY IF THE EXTRA BEAST HAS NO CHALLENGER WAITING. You only lose what you have on you at the time of the defeat, not all the bijuu you may have as summons and did not use or have dismissed before you're defeated. The number of participants must be set prior to beginning. This includes the number of bijuu you will be summoning. If you have any extra beasts active, or you have their contracts/sealing mechanisms upon you, you should be prepared for extra loss. Again, this situation cannot occur for extra beasts that have their own list of challengers waiting for a match.
- IC - the winner cleans up big time. He gets your sealed beast, if you have one, he gets your active summons. He gets any contract or sealing mechanisms you have on you at the time of the defeat. Those beasts that are not on the field of battle go to the village/clan head or will spawn being free from constraints in an event up for grabs decided by the community in 2 weeks time.
- Is it possible to summons and control more than one beast at a time in the same battle? I do not think so.
-->Judging a Match
- both parties choose a judge and abide by their decision.
- create a forum thread to discuss a judge's decision you cannot live only as a last resort and then abide by the community opinions.
- Compromises must be made in the event of a deadlock. Failure to come to terms after ever option has been exhausted will result in stripping, challenger denied, and the bijuu turned over to a 3 month cool down during which time the community will decide what to do. Both challenger and host will be denied access due to gross incompetence.
--> Stripping a Host
- Breaking one of the above rules constitutes stripping.
- The bijuu goes to village or clan leader.
- If no such person exists, the bijuu is put into the hands of the community to decide.
- 14 weeks after stripping a new host must be chosen.
- 7 days after host is chosen an RP to seal must be completed. OOC sealing must be completed within 2 days of being chosen.
-->IC matches
- IC hosts must keep a bio tag to indicate current location, notoriety status, and minor clues for hunters to follow on SL bio and in preference thread on forum.
- Hunters must rp learning who the host is, locating the host, and setting up their encounter to force the challenge match.
- The number of participants is to be determined by those involved. Keep it simple to avoid unending combat.
- The defeated host dies after extraction unless extraordinary measures are met.
- The successful hunter must contain bijuu immediately.
- Killing a host before extraction results in respawning of beast in 2 weeks at that very spot.
- No dibs on respawned bijuu.
- Do not provoke a horde response from the host's village by announcing your challenge and intent to kill them at the gate then complain about the entire village joining the fight.
-->Uber No way you are getting in our village defenses
- This issue needs dealt with and is discussed in the next post i make.
--> My objection to the bijuu summons.
- If I host the one tails and summon the two tails, that has no challenge list, and your buddy then challenges me for the 2 tails....we have one week to set up the fight. However....you have one week to make your reply post...so you just wait...and then...the one week is up and I have to exit the 2 tails from the match to go fight your buddy, and then you make your post. well you have screwed me. now you don't have to face my summons of the 2 tails, do you.
- To my knowledge the summoning of bijuu has never been agreed upon. and where are unhosted ibjuu kept? Some device? Or are they free roaming with seals of summoning upon them? It seems to me that the only way to control a bijuu was to seal them in someone. Only the happy free bijuu after Naruto did his grande save the world thing...were then free and peaceful to go off and live in their own chosen habitats...but then they were free and docile and not subjected to anyone's summoning. right? Well no one on SL has given the bijuu the love treatment and cured them of their desire to destroy mankind...have they? If so I see someone going to capture this peace loving bijuu and start the hate all over again. Only this time he is a fully physical complete creature. hrm...
- And what happens to a defeated summoned bijuu? Is it like other summons and goes poof back to where it was summonsed from? If not, then why?
- And I am sorry, but why does the controlling genjutsu even work on the bijuu to begin with? Why are they not immune to genjutsu as a beast of pure chakra? What physical senses are there to be controlled for a genjutsu to work? Who has a genjutsu powerful enough to be as potent as the seals to make a jinchuuriki?
- Can we have a thread to discuss summons and people explain this thing to me? It just sounds bogus to me.
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Let me see if I can address everything, let me know if I missed something.
Your first problem with the bijuu's as summons was why I stated you'd be forced to fight multiple people simultaneously. That scenario wouldn't happen because if someone challenged you for the 2 tails while you were defending the 1 tails they would just join that same fight and you'd be fighting 2 hunters. Of course it is up to them to decide how much, if at all, they want to work together.
I think that is a fair trade for someone like me who wants to and is able to collect multiple bijuu. If you're strong enough to think you can collect the Tailed Beasts yourself than you should have no problem fighting a handful of opponents. Up to and including a 9v1 handicap match.
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For the beast proficiency I tried to explain that it would be rp based but even when people just use their KG solely from rp they still usually designate it as 4/4 or Grandmaster or something, so that is how you'd determine how many days it took off.
Most people say that it is all or nothing in regards to rehosting a beast. If you completely mastered it before it was removed from you then you will still have mastery, otherwise you start all over. You also only keep the beast's passive ability after it is removed from you if you had mastery of it. Those abilities would be.
1: Sand Manipulation
2: Blue Fire and perhaps the nail techniques
3: Coral Manipulation
4: Lava Manipulation
5: Steam Manipulation
6: Acid Manipulation
7: Bug... stuff
8: Ink Manipulation
9: Negative Emotions/Energy Sensing
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I'm not against the IC hunt idea. Though I don't know why people keep saying the bijuu shouldn't count in rp if they're only being contested OOC, when that is how it was always originally done.
The rules just need to be actually enforced. The previous rules were pretty transparent,
"This means that if an IC Challenge is chosen, the challenger has to RP learning the host’s identity and location and maneuvers him into a Match. This does not mean that the RP is used as a means for the Host to forever avoid having to face his challenger. The host must make it possible for the challenger to complete the terms of the RP event. This is not the battle part. You are going to face off with each other. You are just being creative about it. "
They were just completely abused. So I think if people want to do an IC hunt the challenger and the host should sit down, discuss the rp they want to do and then do it. Tell the hunter you're where ever, these people are there with me. They'll postulate a way to track you down to that location, and then you'll do the rp and fight. I get the allure of making people "work" for the fight by having them track you down but right now I don't think anyone is to be trusted to do that fairly. A few people ruined it for everyone. I don't think we can never ever do it again but I think it's something we should work our way up to. I like pretty much all your ideas for the IC hunts though and agree both sides need to give a little to make it work.
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I think that trusting someone to not abuse an IC hunt is an huge issue. To not abuse any RP issue, truthfully.
I do know that Warren does not abuse this. I have seen the accusations of it, but it seemed little more than complaining about his desire not to be metagamed and god modded against. He has been accused of inactivity as well, which is beyond preposterous.
I have seen it be abused by others. And I see no need to name call them out. Such cases of abuse can be dealt with on an individual case without the need to constrict the process for everyone. I am not a fan of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
I do not think that someone should have to participate in an ongoing match when making an OOC challenge for a bijuu. Why should I have to have the process be delayed with what to me is just a third wheel? If I want to, sure. But it should not be a requirement.
This is why I feel that bijuu with challengers of their own should not be available for summoning. Matches take long enough with out it needlessly being compounded in such a manner.
And why does genjutsu on a bijuu work? How is summoning possible?
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There's a lot of really good points in all of this. But, I just wanted to answer this question. Genjutsu has been shown to work on the beasts, but that only applies to Sharingan genjutsu. In this type of medium, I don't think genjutsu should really work on the beasts. Considering genjutsu works by affecting the chakra flow to the brain and these beasts are basically just physical bodies of chakra (meaning they shouldn't have a brain lol) then disrupting their chakra flow should just make them angry I think.
Summoning, that's another one I'm not sure on. In the series, the beasts were pretty much rampaging if they weren't in a host. Sure there was the three-tails that was hanging out under the water until it was attacked, but all that rampaging is probably tiring. Personally, I think summoning them would be out of the question unless you basically summoned them and had no control over them. But who's going to RP themselves being attacked by a beast that they worked so hard to get?
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1. see genjutsu controlled beast
2. nullify it
3. lol forever
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In the days of old were the fight for tailed beast not all heald OOC while people who were host still rped with them IC? It seemed to have worked just fine. I mean yeah there were issues that arose but not like there is today.
Forgive me Kay but if you want accept someone being a host IC just because the challenger list and all that jive is done OOC than you are just trying to place logic into something that doesn't need it.
I have not read all this stuff and probably won't until later sometime but I say either make them strictly OOC fights to obtain or just make them strictly IC. And if they are IC then there is no need for a challenger list and all that bs.
Once again how in the hell does a challenger list fit into IC hunts? The tenth damn guy on the list can go meet this person in rp and kill him before the 3rd guy on the list gets there.... Hell the guy's teammate could decide to turn rogue and capture the guy to steal the beast without even being on any damn list. IC hunts and challenger list going hand and hand is just a stupid concept.
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Well you should read it cause the IC challenge list was dealt with. A challenge list for IC hunts is stupid.
HOWEVER...I think you should keep one to indicate that you are accepting challenges and to have the record that you are engaged with a hunter so people will get off your back about it by claiming you are hiding and cheating and so on and so forth.
I don't want to ignor people who host bijuu and do OOC matches.
Nor do I want people to just say you can no longer do the IC thing and fit throw over hosts wanting to actually RP the whole thing out with out being metagamed up one side and god modded down the other during the hunting process.
So I said to those calling to do away with the IC option...the right to choose how to host a beast...don't bring your OOC bijuu to me then, cause blah blah blah blah.
I hope that clears that up.
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Well you should read it cause the IC challenge list was dealt with. A challenge list for IC hunts is stupid.
HOWEVER...I think you should keep one to indicate that you are accepting challenges and to have the record that you are engaged with a hunter so people will get off your back about it by claiming you are hiding and cheating and so on and so forth.
I don't want to ignor people who host bijuu and do OOC matches.
Nor do I want people to just say you can no longer do the IC thing and fit throw over hosts wanting to actually RP the whole thing out with out being metagamed up one side and god modded down the other during the hunting process.
So I said to those calling to do away with the IC option...the right to choose how to host a beast...don't bring your OOC bijuu to me then, cause blah blah blah blah.
I hope that clears that up.
I miss read. It seemed you want to ignore the OOC option when I read it. But I was on some meds at the time so...
I agree way what you proposed.
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I am still confused about where the, "If you defend your bijuu OOCly it doesn't exist IC." opinion came from.
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I am still confused about where the, "If you defend your bijuu OOCly it doesn't exist IC." opinion came from.
Yeah, that should just be written off. All of the other rules are perfectly fine, but that one is just daft.
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it was not listed as a rule...it was me mouthing off at the end to people who wanted to try and force others to give up their IC option or face their ridicule, accusations, and bile.
As I explained to Kirk above the last three comments from this one.
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Because they don't deserve to make people hunt them IC when people are telling me challenging a host for their bijuu nets them being, and I quote, "Politely told to eff off." .
That's not "Let's work together to make a fun rp about you trying to find me." that's "I'm not defending my bijuu against you. Now go away."
I don't think you deserve a bijuu at all if that's how you behave, which is why I think to start we should not have the option of requiring IC hunt as a match choice. If we do do it then it should be like I mentioned, just an rp before the match that the two people work out the logistics of.
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So from what I get from these reworking rules is to seal any loopholes, but at the end of the day professional writing wins. What way to say to people who aren't as proficient in writing "You will never have a Bijuu because your writing/typing skills suck". Not very fair I say.
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So from what I get from these reworking rules is to seal any loopholes, but at the end of the day professional writing wins. What way to say to people who aren't as proficient in writing "You will never have a Bijuu because your writing/typing skills suck". Not very fair I say.
The Bijuu are meant to be for the prestige rp'ers, the people who have worked their asses off to get to the levels necessary to achieve the goal of having a beast. Even in the show, when choosing a host for the Hachibi, Kumogakure went through screenings to weed off the weaklings. So I will say, it is in fact fair in every way. You want a beast, work for it.
A lot of the people who have beasts now can tell you that they weren't always on the level of skill they are now, but because they wanted to crawl out of the corners of obscurity to shine among the elite, they did whatever was necessary to achieve that goal.
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Wouldn't it be easier to just say you want the rules to cater to just the select few who want monopoly over the things?
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Wouldn't it be easier to just say you want the rules to cater to just the select few who want monopoly over the things?
You mean the people who, well, ya know, Care? Cause yeah, them.
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Funny, didn't think it'd be so easy to make you admit it.
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So from what I get from these reworking rules is to seal any loopholes, but at the end of the day professional writing wins. What way to say to people who aren't as proficient in writing "You will never have a Bijuu because your writing/typing skills suck". Not very fair I say.
Sorry Ratatosk, I am not understanding where in the listing of rules I put up that you get that writing as a professional is required to have and hold onto a bijuu. I think even if you write like crap, you can still not metagame or god mod or character control finding out who the host is and then tracking him down. I think that if you continue with an rp that eventually you will track the host down and get your battle.
Personally I have yet to see anyone on SL write as a professional. Professional writers go through indepth character developments, creating personas with strengths and flaws, setting them into situations that challenge or even create problems they cannot always handle, and show growth of character throughout the tale of the story. Mostly I see invincible carbon copies of each other running around without any flaws other than the character build.
@ Bocc: I understand your frustration. However, I believe it is wrong to take the choice out of how the host wishes to handle their challenges. I also believe it is possible to have a viable hunt and match while not giving into metagaming, god modding, and character control. I should not have to hand you a tour guide so you can take me out of the game in order to not be considered to be cheating. I have laid down several hints of late, and it is amazing to me that no one has picked up on them in order to exploit the resources available. But I won't give it to you. Do this do that and then be here...as a host I am not required to arrange the rp so that you can defeat me, lay out all my weaknesses, and take one up side the head.
But I am starting to get the feeling that this is what some people want.
the long and the short of it is this:
There are hosts who want to do the OOC thing. They should be allowed to make that decision.
There are hosts who want to do the RP thing. They should also be allowed to make that decision.
Both can work and I believe it is time to agree upon rules that accommodate both desires and wrap this thing up.
It is way past time that some concessions be made here so that a set of rules can be accepted by us all and to stop trying to shove our own agendas down each other's throat.
Did I miss something?
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I like those rules in Bocc and Kay's posts that were made so far. Here are a few contributions, and additions to some current Tailed Beast stuff that I would like to propose.
The Tailed Beasts are able to be held under Genjutsu, though the only type that they have been shown to be actively kept under good control was with the Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan. Wood Release is also shown to keep them tamed and under wraps. And the Outer Path's Demonic Statue Chains can also bind a Tailed Beast when used together with the Black Receivers. The chains can be created by the Rinnegan wielder themselves, and don't have to come directly from the Gedo Mazo.
Obito's control of Kurama.
http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-501-page-9.html
Obito's control of Kokuo, along with spawning of the Demonic Statue Chains without the Gedo Mazo.
http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-569-page-11.html
http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-567-page-7.html
http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-567-page-8.html
Madara's control of Kurama.
http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-621-page-16.html
Hashirama's control of Kurama.
http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-627-page-8.html
http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-627-page-9.html
Sasuke's control of all the Tailed Beasts.
http://www.mangastream.to/naruto-chapter-693-page-10.html
Hashirama is also know for gathering all the beasts can then distributing them among the emerging shinobi villages. It can be inferred that his Wood Release had a large part in subduing and containing all nine beasts. This really kinda put's Hamura's side of the family at a disadvantage, but at least they don't gotta worry about eye-swapping or stealing for their doujutsu evolution. And this also puts anybody else that is not born of special bloodlines at a disadvantage too. But I guess that's the genetic lottery at hand.
I would also like to purpose a Tailed Beast Chakra Mode as an additional ability being available for any host who has completed mastery over their Tailed Beast. It'll serve as another fun perk of being a Jinchurikki.
As for challenge lists for IC hunts, I would prefer that they be Pursuer Lists. These would show who currently has approached a host in showing interest in pursuing them. Whether or not they'll make it first is an unknown, but it can serve as a sort of accountability for both sides. For the host, it would mean that they will be held accountable for making the pursuit fair and do-able for the hunter. And for the pursuer, it would have them be accountable on searching for the host using plausible methods. As the rules said, a battle will happen, but that's only if both parties are willing to comply with that accountability.
That also brings up mixed IC-OOC preferences. An IC hunt implies that if caught, there are risks in survival and consequences on one's own reputation IC. An OOC match means that all that can be circumvented and the battle can just happen without IC consequences, sans losing of the beast. Having an IC hunt but OOC match would completely undermine the purpose of having these things IC in the first place. It becomes a game of keep-away. And having a straight match with IC consequences also doesn't make too much sense.
This is why I believe that it should be clarified that if you're a host, you have to choose between IC or OOC for your challenge preferences. And challengers/seekers should have to comply with that. Don't be that butt who says they're unreachable because they're in a chakra-concealing room or are using a jutsu that does so. Or by being in an entirely different dimension or planet. By choosing to have an IC hunt, you're to be held responsible for yourself to be reachable by plausible means. If you have any objections with that, then I can easily find you through my knowledge of Tailed Beast Chakra familiarity and sensing techniques. I'm sure that Bocchiere and Zenaku ought to be able to find you guys just as easily, or even easier. Otherwise, a strip should be in order.
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I like the notion of calling an IC hunt challenge list, a pursuer's list. Or Hunter's list.
Same difference.
I think that if someone wants rp for a hunt, then the whole deal should be IC consequences and all. But whatever, I don't care one way or the other about if they are ok with possible character death or not. I don't see how RPing a hunt and then not doing character death detracts from anything and would leave that up to the host. IS it about just rping or about betting the life of the character on an event? Motivations of the players should not be mandated by a rule but left up to the stakes set between those involved at the time. It hurts no one if a host lives after losing one way or the other and does not keep the bijuu challenge process from progressing in a timely fashion.
The only reason I can think for making a rule that IC hunts mean IC death if you lose is just to shove crap in someone's face for choosing this as an option. If they choose to die, fine by me.
If they do not choose to die it doesn't keep me from having a good day or meeting my own goals at all.
And so, I see no reason to make it a rule.
Rules should have a purpose. Not just be made because they can be.
Like activity rules...well yes. People are being hindered here if you are lazy and never show up.
But if I choose not to die?
so what?
It does not need to be a rule.
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My two cents below:
... By choosing to have an IC hunt, you're to be held responsible for yourself to be reachable by plausible means...
What is plausible, exactly, supposed to mean? Because between the OOC and IC groups, I think plausibility of IC huntability is among the things contested. Kay (among others) have argued that the challenger should not be given a free pass to the host in an IC hunt (in other words, the challenger can or even are very likely to fail), while I (among others) have argued that a challenger should be given an explicit chance at the beast (the RP itself, the challenger should not be able to fail, since the fighting for the beast is the main shebang).
Is it plausible that if you have IC defenses that preventing sensing, that the challenger cannot learn of the host's identity through sensing at all? Even if that sensory is the Mind's Eye or Byakugan? After all, the hunter can always stick around and learn of it by word of mouth, or even by getting cozy with the host. But wait, the host knows that he/she is being hunted, so will not let slip that they are a host (and will make sure others in the vicinity who know, especially if that list is limited, do not let it slip either without force). Learning the identity of the host then requires specialty stuff. Is all of that still considered plausible, since it is possible and even reasonable by some RP standards, just extremely difficult.
What is the difficulty level setting for biju hunts? Is there a max and a min? By the definition of plausible, except for inactive hosts, none of the current hosts have truly designed an implausible scenario, just some have crafted an extremely difficult case for a prospective hunter when compared to other hosts.
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My two cents below:
... By choosing to have an IC hunt, you're to be held responsible for yourself to be reachable by plausible means...
What is plausible, exactly, supposed to mean? Because between the OOC and IC groups, I think plausibility of IC huntability is among the things contested. Kay (among others) have argued that the challenger should not be given a free pass to the host in an IC hunt (in other words, the challenger can or even are very likely to fail), while I (among others) have argued that a challenger should be given an explicit chance at the beast (the RP itself, the challenger should not be able to fail, since the fighting for the beast is the main shebang).
Is it plausible that if you have IC defenses that preventing sensing, that the challenger cannot learn of the host's identity through sensing at all? Even if that sensory is the Mind's Eye or Byakugan? After all, the hunter can always stick around and learn of it by word of mouth, or even by getting cozy with the host. But wait, the host knows that he/she is being hunted, so will not let slip that they are a host (and will make sure others in the vicinity who know, especially if that list is limited, do not let it slip either without force). Learning the identity of the host then requires specialty stuff. Is all of that still considered plausible, since it is possible and even reasonable by some RP standards, just extremely difficult.
What is the difficulty level setting for biju hunts? Is there a max and a min? By the definition of plausible, except for inactive hosts, none of the current hosts have truly designed an implausible scenario, just some have crafted an extremely difficult case for a prospective hunter when compared to other hosts.
I probably should have divided that into two things: Being able to find a host, and being able to approach them. Like, you cannot literally make it impossible to find or reach a host. There are some difficulty increases between each one, but it should still be possible for someone to ninja their way in.
Also, I forgot to mention that the Byakugan can apparently see a Tailed Beast's Chakra. So that's a very useful +1 for Hamura's side.
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My two cents below:
... By choosing to have an IC hunt, you're to be held responsible for yourself to be reachable by plausible means...
What is plausible, exactly, supposed to mean? Because between the OOC and IC groups, I think plausibility of IC huntability is among the things contested. Kay (among others) have argued that the challenger should not be given a free pass to the host in an IC hunt (in other words, the challenger can or even are very likely to fail), while I (among others) have argued that a challenger should be given an explicit chance at the beast (the RP itself, the challenger should not be able to fail, since the fighting for the beast is the main shebang).
Is it plausible that if you have IC defenses that preventing sensing, that the challenger cannot learn of the host's identity through sensing at all? Even if that sensory is the Mind's Eye or Byakugan? After all, the hunter can always stick around and learn of it by word of mouth, or even by getting cozy with the host. But wait, the host knows that he/she is being hunted, so will not let slip that they are a host (and will make sure others in the vicinity who know, especially if that list is limited, do not let it slip either without force). Learning the identity of the host then requires specialty stuff. Is all of that still considered plausible, since it is possible and even reasonable by some RP standards, just extremely difficult.
What is the difficulty level setting for biju hunts? Is there a max and a min? By the definition of plausible, except for inactive hosts, none of the current hosts have truly designed an implausible scenario, just some have crafted an extremely difficult case for a prospective hunter when compared to other hosts.
I probably should have divided that into two things: Being able to find a host, and being able to approach them. Like, you cannot literally make it impossible to find or reach a host. There are some difficulty increases between each one, but it should still be possible for someone to ninja their way in.
Also, I forgot to mention that the Byakugan can apparently see a Tailed Beast's Chakra. So that's a very useful +1 for Hamura's side.
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Hypothetically speaking, if a host were to have a few buddies attack (and potentially off) the hunter before the hunter can approach the host, would that fall into making it impossible? That is entirely hypothetical, but the general case is if the host created an obstacle that had a fair chance of defeating the pursuer, how is that considered? Because other than explicitly breaking the rules, each host will have slightly different obstacles that need to be overcome, on differing levels of difficulty and type. How is that mediated if not moderated?
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Uhm...something just occurred to me.
You think they sit around and think this stuff up so no one will find them?
I think that they just want it to be rp'd as it is.
In the beginning there was no one other than me who knew Warren was the One tailed host. So...that is not trying to make it hard. That is just how it was. Not by means of some deep dark plot, just because we didn't invite the village to come watch while the bijuu was shoved inside his body or sell tickets and flash his name all over the world via bird messenger.
So...the host did not craft an implausibly hard rp there. To make it impossible to find him. And...why would we advertise who our secret weapon is? That makes no military sense. The nukes are here guys...here is a map. Hope you find them and make them unusable.
Have other's since learned who he is? I don't know. Do you?
Now these chakra sensing tech. It is my understanding it does not tell you who the person is unless you know that already. Like, being able to see bijuu chakra does not give you the name of the host.
I feel a chakra out there. It is eric. If I have never sensed eric's chakra before then I can't go around acting like I know it is eric...I can tell you someone is there. period.
Now if I have sensed the one tail's chakra before...and don't know it is Warren...I can go around trying to find the beast...but I can't come to Suna and say..."hey, tell Warren I want to fight him for the one tails" cause I don't know it is Warren. And these are the things that previous hunters have tried to do. They have tried to use their powers in ways that they do not work. And then tried to blame the host for being difficult.
And I really do not see how that is crafting an impossible situation so to be underhanded and never have to fight anyone to for the bijuu. I find it logical to want people to not use info they do not have. I find it fair to not want someone to claim a power is something it is not and that it can give me info it cannot.
Now...cloaking your chakra. I see people do this all the time. But if a host does it that is bad?
You know...I think that if people want to see hosts held to all these rules and regulations over what they can and cannot do...then ALL role players should be too.
Being a host is supposed to represent the best in RP on SL....I am paraphrasing Ryoiji or Yujo...I could never tell them apart...well then?
If a host cannot hide their chakra then no one should be allowed to do it. I see no reason to tie a host's hands behind their back while everyone else is going around swinging with both fists.
The rp reason a person becomes a host is to protect their village or clan. To be the secret weapon for whatever and to fight for that.
But it is being made into something quite different. It is being turned into a game of capture the flag. There sole reason for existing is to be a prize to be fought over and won. I think that is pretty lame in the field of potential and creativity.
IF that is all you want bijuu to be....then make up a seal of power that takes their place. They confer specific powers on the holder and can be fought over. And then you don't have to worry about rp at all. You can just play king of the hill and have your bragging rights.
Fight for the title...but RP for the bijuu.
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Warren please try and stay on topic.
Basically whenever I bring up any of the mentioned abilities to sense bijuu chakra i am told "only if I'm using the bijuu, then yeah that works." So you can just never use your bijuu out in the open and no one can ever find you.
The host can hide their chakra if they want but I think the issue would
be largely resolved by the mention of always having them reachable and always being able to sense the bijuu's chakra.
Bijuu are literally masses of chakra and you should not he able to hide that. Even the weakest has many times more chakra than any one person.
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Uhm...something just occurred to me.
You think they sit around and think this stuff up so no one will find them...
Heh, that is kind of the point of not advertising who your jinchurikii is, isn't it? As a village frequently terrorrized (back in the day, nowadays yall got it fairly straight) by random attackers, you have increased reason to make it fairly difficult to locate and target your jinchurikii. It makes perfect RP sense, as you state, and I don't have an issue with it in the context of just RP sense.
But RP sense alone is not what the old rules were about, and many of the new ones do not quite have the same spirit of the pure RP perspective. Hosts under the old rules were mandated to fight for the beasts, so if they are in a situation where they don't fight for the beast even though there are challengers, that was an issue, nevermind that it made RP sense. If the host did not make RP conditions that the challenger could use to feasibly get the beast without having to do an entire LotR session (which would take RL years or even a year on SL scheduling), then under the old rules, that was wrong.
As I once again put forth, if the beasts were meant for everyone to have a fair chance at getting them, then yes, the host (and by extension the village) would have to accomodate in a manner that is not necessarily befitting the RP aspect of the beast.
If the beasts were only meant for the best to even have a chance at (as has been voiced here at least once) it is completely acceptable to have difficult RP circumstances, either by design or accident, that would by itself weed out most of the SL populace. In the latter case (and only the best get a chance at the beast case) I would consider Warren (and the whole 1-tails matter) to have been the perfect example of what a jinchurikii should be like, because it takes a level of RP that is beyond the average RPer of today's time and aptitude limits. If the beasts were meant for everyone to have a chance though, he is the perfect example of what a jinchurikii should not be like, because the conditions (by RP circumstances largely out of his character's control) are simply too difficult for the average RPer of today to get past, based on information provided in a much earlier topic regarding what it would take to even find out that Warren is the host.
I feel a chakra out there. It is eric. If I have never sensed eric's chakra before then I can't go around acting like I know it is eric...I can tell you someone is there. period.
Depending on the skill of the sensor and if you have ever encountered a Leaf Nara before, you can identify that I was born in Fire Country and am of the Nara Clan. If you know that there are only 9 Leaf Nara in existence (heck, there are even fewer players of that breed) then you can postulate that I am one of the nine at the very least. Similarly, if you know what a tailed beast's chakra is like, you can identify that it is a tailed beast. While specifics are up for grabs, that is a huge step in biju hunting when it comes to finding the target.
There sole reason for existing is to be a prize to be fought over and won.
The meta plot of Naruto Shippuden in a nutshell, with the latter arcs focusing on the beasts as personal beings for plot reasons (bonding with Kurama, fulfilling prophecy). 8) They weren't dragonballs, but the fight over them and their power was most if not all of shippuden (due to the Akatsuki being the major antagonists over Oro being the major antagonist).
But seriously, that's been the discussion on the biju by and large for a long time now. Discussions on "how" to use the beasts in RP has been a fragment discussion here and there (Dart's thread for example). For Shinobilegends, that is their sole reason for existing since they are nothing special in a free RP-style kind of realm (beasts with a bunch of chakra? Call my homey in the coffin and put it in its place) and many jinchs (out of fear of their beast being discovered or otherwise) rarely seem to use them in character development or in RP at all for that matter.
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As long as RP exists on SL, then the need to permit bijuu to be hunted through RP means is going to have to be included. Like it or not, other people do and we do not make rules here to just suit ourselves and our needs but to be inclusive to as many people as possible.
With that in mind, let's get back to work.
Is this part acceptable to people? Does it need amendments of any sort pertaining to keeping a forum account?
-->Make a Forum Account
- Post a thread with challenge preferences, IC or OOC, and include date when 14 day grace period is over, within first post.
- Update current activity log once every 14 days in this thread within second post.
- Keep a challenger list in this thread within third post for OOC matches.
- Keep a Pursuer's list in this thread within third post for RP hunts/matches.
- Your preference rules do not exclude you from the basic rules.
- Matches can be held on the forum, in a separate thread, but it is not required, Time outs no longer occur on SL nor do posts disappear until months after the inactivity rules have been exceeded.
- Post any planned absences to this thread and match thread if applicable.
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The Bijuu are meant to be for the prestige rp'ers, the people who have worked their asses off to get to the levels necessary to achieve the goal of having a beast. Even in the show, when choosing a host for the Hachibi, Kumogakure went through screenings to weed off the weaklings. So I will say, it is in fact fair in every way. You want a beast, work for it.
A lot of the people who have beasts now can tell you that they weren't always on the level of skill they are now, but because they wanted to crawl out of the corners of obscurity to shine among the elite, they did whatever was necessary to achieve that goal.
I agree with this. Although '...even if you write like crap, you can still not metagame or god mod or character control finding out who the host is and then tracking him down', I don't want to have to send a PM to the person after EVERY post trying to understand what s/he is trying to say or worse, asking about important details that are always omitted. Having to ask "What happened to this? What happened to that?" gets annoying after a while.
In regards to the 'Genjutsu on Bijuu', you have to remember that normal genjutsu is actually rare for a reason. "The difficulty of performing genjutsu in the first place presents an additional barrier to its use: genjutsu require precise chakra control in order to manipulate the target's senses and advanced intelligence to make the illusion convincing, prerequisites that even someone as skilled as Jiraiya lacks." http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Genjutsu
The main difference between normal genjutsu and genjutsu via doujutsu is the absence of hand-signs. In regards to how genjutsu works, there's really no difference since they both have same counters.
@Kage: I was actually thinking about making a thread in regards to the byakugan being able to see Tail Beasted Chakra. So that's definitely a +1 on Hamura's side.
What's the 'policy' on chakra sensing again?
Is one allowed to use normal chakra sensing (not Mind Eye) to sense bijuu chakra in people?
If so, I assume one would have to 'witness' the bijuu's chakra beforehand, correct?
In the Byakugan case, I would assume they would know 'instantly'. I mean, they would 'scan' the area to see bijuu chakra and then 'refocus' their byakugan to see the person's face and all. The only information lacking is the person's name, which is irrelevant in a bijuu hunt anyway. It's not like anyone is really going to tell you where so-and-so is (without suspicion).
I would assume in the case of chakra sensing in general, they would not know how the person looks like but can still follow the person via their chakra signature. Correct?
Also, it's impractical (and illogical) to have your chakra cloak ALL THE TIME. >.>
Plus, everyone is using the 'bijuu chakra' to track the hosts down so who's to say it's even possible to cloak a bijuu's' chakra within you? o.o
'The rp reason to become the host is to protect the village or clan'. That's a matter of opinion.
If everyone wants IC hunts so badly, make the hosts post every 7 days, instead of 14 days, no exceptions. That's my opinion.
I do like the ideas involving the host publicly updating their current activity for the SL world to see.
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The 'knowing who the host is', based off just knowing the chakra, was abused in the past and so it is relevant and that is why I brought it up. Masane made claims to having human pathed her dead husband, a former host of whatever bijuu it was at the time, and used that as a legit reason to just show up where the new host was. It was an abuse of powers she scarcely had any understanding of how they truly worked. one may say...ok she could know the bijuu chakra, but that did not mean she knew who the host was or where.
But of course, the host got blamed and raked over the coals for not being accessible.
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The 'knowing who the host is', based off just knowing the chakra, was abused in the past and so it is relevant and that is why I brought it up. Masane made claims to having human pathed her dead husband, a former host of whatever bijuu it was at the time, and used that as a legit reason to just show up where the new host was. It was an abuse of powers she scarcely had any understanding of how they truly worked. one may say...ok she could know the bijuu chakra, but that did not mean she knew who the host was or where.
But of course, the host got blamed and raked over the coals for not being accessible.
I'm confused. I thought that was the whole point in chakra sensing.
You sense bijuu chakra (that you witnessed before), you head towards the bijuu chakra, and then you find the host. >.>
Of course, the range of one's chakra sensing is up for debate but besides that, isn't that how it works? I mean, that's what Karin was used for, to find Itachi. I'm not sure if she even knew what Itachi looked like. >.>
I always did wonder how Karin was going to find Itachi without meeting him prior to the hunt and then it was later learned that chakra signature of fellow clansmen are similar.
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I agree to all the make a forum account rules.
As for chakra sensing as I mentioned you should always be able to sense the bijuu's chakra in the Jinchuriki, I think it should be a rule that it is not possible to hide it. Only way would be if you are in a different dimension then them. If you are within their area of sensing they should at least be able to sense massive chakra, but it is up to their IC history to determine what they could make of it, after all not everyone's met a bijuu before.
If we want to express chakra as a numerical amount we could say a Genin is 1, a Jounin is 5 and a Kage is 10. So some with Jiongu like me might be a 50, since each heart is also Kage level. If you are hunting a bijuu but have never sensed ones chakra before (ignoring the fact that I have a bijuu as well) you might sense someone with 5 times more chakra than the most chakra you've ever sensed in someone (Your village Kage) and make the not unreasonable assumption they are a Jinchuriki. You just simply aren't aware that a bijuu's chakra is something more like 500 than 50.
So I think that with regular chakra sensing that is what you'd be stuck with. Just feeling out an amount. With Byakugan and Mind's Eye you get a visual representation though. So I think you'd also be able to see an amount of chakra always within the Jinchuriki that is notably different than a human's. If you don't know the bijuu personally you might not know that is a bijuu's chakra, or which bijuu it is, but it is worth investigating. If there is some other character in the area who has something other reason for having a chakra signature tainted then you just have to deal with him throwing off your search.
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Byakugan isn't infallible, Neji didn't see jack shit after all after locking Naruto's chakra up, til Kurama fed his own chakra into the network, so unless your seal is beyond crap or leaking then it falls into the 'works only if bijuu chakra in use' category.
Kagura's largely the same thing despite its obscurity, so it becomes more an issue of how much insight ability one considers it to have. If I just had to throw up something, I'd say if you get a prolonged, intense look up close then you can find it, unless of course the seal is shut so tight not a speck of power can get out. Otherwise its basically another of those 'works only blahblah' things.
As for hiding bijuu chakra completely otherwise, its quite possible in a few ways, they aren't even all that complex either, they just have some potentially lethal drawbacks to them if you do get caught with your pants down regardless of the suppression.
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Byakugan isn't infallible, Neji didn't see jack shit after all after locking Naruto's chakra up, til Kurama fed his own chakra into the network, so unless your seal is beyond crap or leaking then it falls into the 'works only if bijuu chakra in use' category.
Kagura's largely the same thing despite its obscurity, so it becomes more an issue of how much insight ability one considers it to have. If I just had to throw up something, I'd say if you get a prolonged, intense look up close then you can find it, unless of course the seal is shut so tight not a speck of power can get out. Otherwise its basically another of those 'works only blahblah' things.
As for hiding bijuu chakra completely otherwise, its quite possible in a few ways, they aren't even all that complex either, they just have some potentially lethal drawbacks to them if you do get caught with your pants down regardless of the suppression.
Oh here goes Warren trying to not be found -_-;
Neji was a gennin at the time of the fight though, and that guy specifically said he could see the fox with his Byakugan.
If they had said "Oh his seal his weak, thus I can see his beast" then sure, that argument could have some validity.
I believe that it relies fully on one's mastery of the doujutsu, not some random variable of the strength of their seal.
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Oh believe me, you don't want to see me actually trying to hide >> nor am I bragging, I'm legit just commenting because my view/understanding differs from yours it appears.
To elaborate using this instance, I don't believe mastery really affects ones ability to see inside the body. Perhaps magnifying level or something if you want to get fancy (see small tumor stead of organ for example), but otherwise imo nothing really changes except how far you can see, and how draining doing so for long periods is.
Following that, compare Neji's vision of chakraless Naruto to that of Otsu twins' vision of kage Naruto. Both look basically the exact same, a greyish outline of the body with the lighter colored chakra network.
Former however had not a speck of chakra, not normal, not kyubi, nothing, and you could even clearly see it leaking out of the seal in his gut after Kurama did spare some. In latter case in turn, the chakra was never suppressed and the cage of the seal was long since removed, Naruto's chakra linked with Kurama's completely, due to which not only do you see the small flame but his entire network is tinged orange-red.
If you think about how exactly bijuu are contained inside hosts, it kind of makes sense too. You don't actually physically cram the entire bloody thing in there, it'd be impossible, you compress it in its entirety inside a seal instead. Due to this there's no physical mass for byakugan to see, and if the seal is completely shut and without leaks you aren't going to see a speck of influence either.
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Warren I completely understand that it is viable to hide the beast's chakra. What I am saying is that a rule needs to be made about it, how much and how completely it should be allowed to be hidden to make the hunts reasonable and fair for both sides.
I made an entire topic about the IC hunt and think any further discussion like this should be moved there for convenience as this is the largest chunk of the bijuu rules we have to deal with, in my opinion.
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As long as RP exists on SL, then the need to permit bijuu to be hunted through RP means is going to have to be included. Like it or not, other people do and we do not make rules here to just suit ourselves and our needs but to be inclusive to as many people as possible.
With that in mind, let's get back to work.
Is this part acceptable to people? Does it need amendments of any sort pertaining to keeping a forum account?
-->Make a Forum Account
- Post a thread with challenge preferences, IC or OOC, and include date when 14 day grace period is over, within first post.
- Update current activity log once every 14 days in this thread within second post.
- Keep a challenger list in this thread within third post for OOC matches.
- Keep a Pursuer's list in this thread within third post for RP hunts/matches.
- Your preference rules do not exclude you from the basic rules.
- Matches can be held on the forum, in a separate thread, but it is not required, Time outs no longer occur on SL nor do posts disappear until months after the inactivity rules have been exceeded.
- Post any planned absences to this thread and match thread if applicable.
So in this thread we are currently commenting on this aspect of the bijuu rules. I like it, Bocc is ok with it. Who else? any faults here?
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Oh here goes Warren trying to not be found -_-;
I am also requesting that these personal stabs be omitted from future posts in discussions. The rest of your comments are pertinent to the topic, but when you lead off with snipes or end up with them inserting them here and there...it just makes everything you say read like shit that no one wants to listen to.
Scream it at your screen if you have to, but keep it out of sight. In case you didn't see it in the Tailed Beast Hold thread, I will repeat myself for you here.
I feel it is counterproductive to keep dwelling on the past, however. he did this, she said that, they wouldn't give me what I wanted, let's strip them!!! And everyone grabs a pitch fork and stands off.
I suggest a clean slate and let's just start from today. Be willing to give people a chance to let these things work. Discuss things rationally and politely among yourselves when you are having encounters. And don't insist upon getting your way with everything every time. Because frankly, those kinds of things don't even happen in your own dreams. Do not expect it here.
and so...
Spewing bile is something we have all been guilty of. I am not standing here trying to pretend I am not part of the problem too. But there comes a time when we all have to exert some restraint and try to come together for productivity and leave the egos and old enmities behind.
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I think it's time to just face the music. Neither side will ever get along.... void each other and move on. Simply solution. Maybe a split SL will be a happy SL.
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Thank you Kirk. However I asked about the forum section of the rules. Do they look fine to you? Are the reasonable or do they need amendments?
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Thank you Kirk. However I asked about the forum section of the rules. Do they look fine to you? Are the reasonable or do they need amendments?
To be honest I don't see as to why someone needs to be forced into having a forum account. It should not be expected of anyone to be honest. It is not a mandate at SL itself.
I also feel people may use the log updates to meta-game
challenger list could be helpful
once again makes no sense to have a list of people after you IC.... hell someone could be after you that you don't know about, ninja skills perhaps? just saying everyone could be after you. I for one am not gonna tell someone OOC if I am after them or not. The can find out IC later.
rules are rules so yeah
and no. all fights should be done at SL. SL rp should not be performed someone other than the SL website itself. I don't care what advantages rping here at the forum brings this is not SL.
and I suppose announcing such things as absences would be beneficial for all parties
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ok. so you do not want the bijuu fights to be on the forum. I left that up to choice of the participants and am not wishing to make it mandatory one way or the other.
The listing thing on the forum is to stop the accusations that are being made against hosts, to stop the lies that some hosts make, and to provide proof of...
accepting challenges
being engaged in bijuu related rp
notifying publicly of an absence
and to stop fraud of pms that are being used as proof to meet the obligations of being a host, specifically accepting challenges, announcing absences, and to establish who made a challenge first.
While this is not Sl, it is a resource that we use to facilitate game play. It is free to use. It is usable even on dinosaur pcs. Phone apps are difficult. But then so is posting on SL through one too.
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ok. so you do not want the bijuu fights to be on the forum. I left that up to choice of the participants and am not wishing to make it mandatory one way or the other.
The listing thing on the forum is to stop the accusations that are being made against hosts, to stop the lies that some hosts make, and to provide proof of...
accepting challenges
being engaged in bijuu related rp
notifying publicly of an absence
and to stop fraud of pms that are being used as proof to meet the obligations of being a host, specifically accepting challenges, announcing absences, and to establish who made a challenge first.
While this is not Sl, it is a resource that we use to facilitate game play. It is free to use. It is usable even on dinosaur pcs. Phone apps are difficult. But then so is posting on SL through one too.
Don't get me wrong I find the proposed points very helpful to the process of things working smoothly. I simply just still see problems arising. With that said though no matter what is done problems will arrise.
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If you think about how exactly bijuu are contained inside hosts, it kind of makes sense too. You don't actually physically cram the entire bloody thing in there, it'd be impossible, you compress it in its entirety inside a seal instead. Due to this there's no physical mass for byakugan to see, and if the seal is completely shut and without leaks you aren't going to see a speck of influence either.
Okay, so basically you're saying that Byakugan won't see the bijuu if there's no leaks. Correct?
Well, obviously, if you mastered the bijuu, there will be leaks in the seal.
After all, one cannot draw on bijuu's chakra at all if the seal is completely shut.
So the whole "works only if bijuu chakra in use' category" does not even make any sense. >.>
I saw the movie and they even got Killer B, presuming using their Byakugan as well.
And we all know that Byakugan can 'grow' in insight.
Personally I don't know why some of you people think it's possible to mask/hide/cloak a bijuu's chakra. You think some little pill is going to hide all of that chakra? So far the only thing was able to hide a bijuu's chakra was the 'Chakra Isolation Chamber', a place 'that isolate all outside chakra '. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Tailed_Beast_Temple
So unless you're planning to lock yourself away in some special barrier, then it's not possible. >.>
EDIT: Correction, not even a barrier is possible.
The barrier around the Turtle Island: http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/492/6
As soon as Naruto left the Temple, he was able to sense everything: http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/535/6
This is how I feel about jinchuurikis talking about 'cloaking bijuu chakra'. Their real intention is to hide their bijuu from the public and make it extremely difficult if not impossible to find them.
In SL, the only lead you may get is that bijuu is in a particular village or is that metagaming also? Please correct me.
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After all, one cannot draw on bijuu's chakra at all if the seal is completely shut.
Refer to my previous mention of extreme drawbacks to complete suppression, and I daresay you can figure it out.
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After all, one cannot draw on bijuu's chakra at all if the seal is completely shut.
Refer to my previous mention of extreme drawbacks to complete suppression, and I daresay you can figure it out.
I think you missed the point of my post.
I'm saying that if you have MASTERY of your bijuu, that means that your seal is NOT COMPLETELY SHUT.
EDIT: And I don't know why you even mentioned that 'complete suppression' thing to me when my post specifically said that's not possible.
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It appears you forget the existence of the keys to these seals.
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It appears you forget the existence of the keys to these seals.
It's funny that you mentioned it because I was just reading about them before I saw your post.
And I think you may have misunderstood them.
Based on reading about Gerotora (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Gerotora), loosening the seal helps draw out more power from the bijuu. So once again it stands that if you have mastery of your bijuu, your seal is not completely shut.
"About two years after Naruto started training under Jiraiya, Gerotora was summoned again. As Jiraiya began helping Naruto gain better control of the Nine-Tails' power, teaching Naruto to control its demon cloak up to producing two chaka tails, Jiraiya decided to have Gerotora unleash a bit more chakra. "
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*facepalm* fine, I'll lay it out real nice and clean then.
If a host has the key to their own bijuu's seal, which one can safely assume basically every one of them on SL do, they have effectively free and complete reign over their seal.
"Unlocking" a seal, a requirement for full mastery since complete link can not be established otherwise no matter what, does not destroy the seal, it merely opens it wider to allow chakra to pass between beast and host basically unobstructed.
Needless to say, its equally possible to close it up again, even completely so if the host so desires. Depending on the beasts compliance or reluctance this may require forced suppression within your inner realm first before the act, but the cage or whatever else shape the seal takes inside can be closed again, you may even completely immobilize the beast inside it if the seal is designed to allow this.
As the no-brainer downside, doing this will -depending on level of suppression- either severely limit the amount of bijuu power available to you, or cut you off from it completely. Should complete severance be performed, for all intents and purposes you are a normal shinobi on the outside, unless you choose to open the seal again at a later time. Opening, much less reestablishing a link with your beast however, can take a measure of focus and time that may prove lethal in a heavy combat situation.
Simpler said; don't be a dumbass and think about it before you do it, because you can't instantly return to full power with a snap of fingers.
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Needless to say, its equally possible to close it up again, even completely so if the host so desires. Depending on the beasts compliance or reluctance this may require forced suppression within your inner realm first before the act, but the cage or whatever else shape the seal takes inside can be closed again, you may even completely immobilize the beast inside it if the seal is designed to allow this.
The abilities of the 'key': http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/370/9
Minato restoring the seal to original strength: http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/440/16
Naruto with Kyuubi influence in the eyes: http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/444/4
Kyuubi bring up that previous incident: http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/645/6
Four chapters later, we see Kyuubi in Naruto's eyes. High-quality seal indeed.
So at the end of the day, you cannot completely suppress a bijuu's chakra.
Personally, why are you even insisting in its possibility anyway?
Are you (and all other jinchuurikis) going to say that people can't find you because we completely suppress the bijuu's chakra (forever)? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the 'rp reason of protecting your village and clan'? Or you all simply don't want to found in the first place? >.>
In addition, was there not a thread talking about how Mind's Eye of Kagura could sense bijuu chakra anyway? And this was also after Naruto's seal was restored as well (I couldn't find the thread though but I remember it was talked about).
I showed a barrier doesn't work and the key does nothing in suppressing a bijuu's chakra.
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Key instantly suppresses 8-9 tails of Kurama, "Key does nothing", uhh...have to say I'm not seeing your leap of logic here. Need I remind you of the time Naruto also rekt Kurama after tearing a good chunk of his chakra away, simply by turning the key?
You can't generalize his seal in this regard anyway, because for one, three seconds into training with Bee he already reveals his own has a key too yet is completely different otherwise, and secondly Naruto's seal was never explicitly meant full complete suppression on its own anyway. It was specifically constructed to allow minor amounts to seep into his network to protect him, a preparation for eventual encounter in training, while rest relied on his own chakra/will holding it back.
That's already giant implication it'd be piss easy for a sealer in canon to just make one without leaks the host himself has to keep plugged, and considering the amount of fuuinjutsu hax that already goes on SL especially among uzumakis its even easier on here.
So if you wonder why I keep insisting it works, I wonder why you keep insisting it doesn't. Though of course, we could just agree to disagree and cut the going in circles BS here, because we've already established on a number of things we don't see eye to eye you and I.
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Warren,
All I see in your posts are assumptions.
That's already giant implication it'd be piss easy for a sealer in canon to just make one without leaks the host himself has to keep plugged, and considering the amount of fuuinjutsu hax that already goes on SL especially among uzumakis its even easier on here.
Piss easy? http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Four_Symbols_Seal
"This is a sealing technique based on the fuuinjutsu of Uzushiogakure's Uzumaki clan. The sealing formula is used to seal any target into a human body or an object, and is mainly used when a giant enemy or evil spirit needs to be sealed away. To use it, it is necessary for the user to have great ability."
Key instantly suppresses 8-9 tails of Kurama, "Key does nothing", uhh...have to say I'm not seeing your leap of logic here. Need I remind you of the time Naruto also rekt Kurama after tearing a good chunk of his chakra away, simply by turning the key?
Yeah, after Naruto had to play tug of war with the Kurama.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Torii_Seal
"By using the seal's key, he can create several massive interlocking torii that can even immobilise and imprison Kurama with ease. Naruto then isolated Kurama's chakra in another part of him away from the fox itself in between four torii, so he could access it freely."
So the chakra of both Naruto and Kurama are now separated...so how does one suppress bijuu chakra again?
You can't generalize his seal in this regard anyway, because for one, three seconds into training with Bee he already reveals his own has a key too yet is completely different otherwise, and secondly Naruto's seal was never explicitly meant full complete suppression on its own anyway. It was specifically constructed to allow minor amounts to seep into his network to protect him, a preparation for eventual encounter in training, while rest relied on his own chakra/will holding it back.
Even if the key is different, they all have the same function.
We don't know anything else besides B's seal (Iron Armor Seal) other than it is weaker than the Four Symbols Seal. http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Iron_Armour_Seal
I would not be surprised if B's seal did not have the ability for complete suppression either.
Another example is look at Gaara's case.
From the databook.
"When the Yondaime Hokage sealed the Demon Fox inside of Naruto, the effect was made stronger by putting together two "Four Symbols Seals". At that time, he also left an opening at the space where the sealing formulas meet, allowing the Demon Fox's chakra to merge with Naruto's chakra. This sealing-style, because it consists of two "Four Symbols Seals," is called an "Eight Trigrams Sealing-style."
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/49/7
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/49/8
"12 years since the seal...Naruto-kun and the Nine Tails chakra are beginning to fuse."
The point is...it did not happen on Day 1.
So if you wonder why I keep insisting it works, I wonder why you keep insisting it doesn't. Though of course, we could just agree to disagree and cut the going in circles BS here, because we've already established on a number of things we don't see eye to eye you and I.
Because I have shown you that it doesn't? =/
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http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/493/14
Naturally, the jinchuurikis were viewed as military power.
By that logic, a seal (regardless of what it is) would never be designed to be for complete suppression anyway (assuming if it's even possible).
And even if a jinchuuriki wanted a 'complete suppression' seal, the person would have to get an entirely new seal which involves taking the bijuu out, subduing the bijuu while creating this 'new seal'. A lot of manpower would be involved as well as Uzumaki-level sealing experts needed.
http://www.mangareader.net/naruto/494
So even by canon logic, complete suppression is not allowed (assuming it's possible).
But as you say, we can agree to disagree.
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Better that we do then, because your arguments are assumptions and personal interpretations just the same, and this has gone in the exact same direction as a number of our previous discussions so its evident continuing is pointless >_>; ultimately I can't tell you whats absolute truth and neither can you tell me what I can and can not do.
Bottomline for me in this is, it can be done if your seal is designed to allow such in a way that makes legitimate sense to me (people know I can be bloody picky so its not easy), and you have the key to control it with, so imo if people can fill those conditions then they're by all means free to do so. They just will be subject to the aforementioned severe limitations, without exception.
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Better that we do then, because your arguments are assumptions and personal interpretations just the same, and this has gone in the exact same direction as a number of our previous discussions so its evident continuing is pointless >_>; ultimately I can't tell you whats absolute truth and neither can you tell me what I can and can not do.
Bottomline for me in this is, it can be done if your seal is designed to allow such in a way that makes legitimate sense to me (people know I can be bloody picky so its not easy), and you have the key to control it with, so imo if people can fill those conditions then they're by all means free to do so. They just will be subject to the aforementioned severe limitations, without exception.
Personal interpretations? I gave you links, I gave you quotes, and I even gave you logical reasoning...for free! (you probably didn't read that). >.>
But I'm confused by your statement, I don't think I told/requested you do or not do anything.
I'm just presenting an argument that disagrees with what you're saying. >.>
After all, this is SL, everyone has the right to argue a case as well as the freedom to do whatever they want.
Any jinchuuriki can say their seal was designed for complete suppression (and NOT follow the 'aforementioned severe limitations'). However, I realized I wasted my time debating with you when I read this...
As for chakra sensing as I mentioned you should always be able to sense the bijuu's chakra in the Jinchuriki, I think it should be a rule that it is not possible to hide it. Only way would be if you are in a different dimension then them. If you are within their area of sensing they should at least be able to sense massive chakra, but it is up to their IC history to determine what they could make of it, after all not everyone's met a bijuu before.
I wish I read that sooner.
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Au contraire I did read it, and saw little to nothing in there that either didn't have any relation to the matter at hand whatsoever, or instead actually just supported my argument. I just thought I'd be the grown up and quit first, because exactly as I suspected you aren't going to agree because either your personal interpretation differs or just think it shouldn't be so for whatever reason.
Fortunately for you however I seem to be a waste of time, so I'm quite done with this subject.
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What I see as piss easy, is that everyone is going to claim to be a powerful fuuinjutsu user. So there is that.
Secondly, since the two four symbols seals were purposefully left gapped in order to allow seepage of bijuu chakra, to apply them without a gap would indicate that no leaking would occur.
Additionally, the bijuu would not have to be extracted and resealed in order for the alteration to occur. Seals can overlay others...be used to augment existing condition and thus create the desired effect.
Now the draw backs of doing this are huge and were laid out by Warren in his posts.
It is not impossible, but dang...why would a person want to do so if they are going to have to deal with that sort of back lash?
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Just thinking of general chakra suppression:
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chakra_Suppression
If no leaking occurs, it's not that the chakra is not present, it's just that it isn't necessarily free-flowing in the host's body. Complete and utter suppression, to the point of the beast not being detectable even by the byakugan (which in SL has rarely been used to peer into and dissect seal composition) would logically require the beast's chakra and abilities to be sealed off from the user. But that includes the beast itself, which prevents it from being used in any roleplay of the jinchurikii. Doesn't that kind of defeat some purpose?
Regardless, a rule banning the complete and utter suppression of a biju's chakra should be balanced out, in that a potential hunter cannot completely suppress their chakra while hunting the host. It doesn't seem much like a balance, but depending on how the whole IC hunt decision goes, this loss of the element of surprise (in that regard, there are a few other ways to surprise as well) just means that the two can't really hide from each other.
Thoughts?
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-->Make a Forum Account
- Post a thread with challenge preferences, IC or OOC, and include date when 14 day grace period is over, within first post.
- Update current activity log once every 14 days in this thread within second post.
- Keep a challenger list in this thread within third post for OOC matches.
- Keep a Pursuer's list in this thread within third post for RP hunts/matches.
- Your preference rules do not exclude you from the basic rules.
- Matches can be held on the forum, in a separate thread, but it is not required, Time outs no longer occur on SL nor do posts disappear until months after the inactivity rules have been exceeded.
- Post any planned absences to this thread and match thread if applicable.
So 30 posts ago I asked about comments on this first set of rules concerning a forum account. If we could at least get this agreed to or amended. I got 2 replies.
While the chakra suppression discussion is of interest, it might be better to have that in the thread about IC hunts that Bocc made and get back to business?
This section is not even all that controversial really...yeah or nay!
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-->Make a Forum Account
- Post a thread with challenge preferences, IC or OOC, and include date when 14 day grace period is over, within first post.
- Update current activity log once every 14 days in this thread within second post.
- Keep a challenger list in this thread within third post for OOC matches.
- Keep a Pursuer's list in this thread within third post for RP hunts/matches.
- Your preference rules do not exclude you from the basic rules.
- Matches can be held on the forum, in a separate thread, but it is not required, Time outs no longer occur on SL nor do posts disappear until months after the inactivity rules have been exceeded.
- Post any planned absences to this thread and match thread if applicable.
So 30 posts ago I asked about comments on this first set of rules concerning a forum account. If we could at least get this agreed to or amended. I got 2 replies.
While the chakra suppression discussion is of interest, it might be better to have that in the thread about IC hunts that Bocc made and get back to business?
This section is not even all that controversial really...yeah or nay!
Yay
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Well I guess no one has any more comments to make so these are the new rules now. Yay.
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-->Make a Forum Account
- Post a thread with challenge preferences, IC or OOC, and include date when 14 day grace period is over, within first post.
- Update current activity log once every 14 days in this thread within second post.
- Keep a challenger list in this thread within third post for OOC matches.
- Keep a Pursuer's list in this thread within third post for RP hunts/matches.
- Your preference rules do not exclude you from the basic rules.
- Matches can be held on the forum, in a separate thread, but it is not required, Time outs no longer occur on SL nor do posts disappear until months after the inactivity rules have been exceeded.
- Post any planned absences to this thread and match thread if applicable.
So 30 posts ago I asked about comments on this first set of rules concerning a forum account. If we could at least get this agreed to or amended. I got 2 replies.
While the chakra suppression discussion is of interest, it might be better to have that in the thread about IC hunts that Bocc made and get back to business?
This section is not even all that controversial really...yeah or nay!
Okay, let's move on and assume this is accepted.
My only question is about the 'updating of the current activity log'.
I assume there are to just mention date, time, village/location of their last RP right? I don't want to read a summary. Besides if someone is serious about 'hunting' a bijuu, they should read the RP themselves to see what it is about. Also, I don't want this log to be long either so keep it within 6 lines, latest info on first (or last?) line.
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-->Make a Forum Account
- Post a thread with challenge preferences, IC or OOC, and include date when 14 day grace period is over, within first post.
- Update current activity log once every 14 days in this thread within second post.
- Keep a challenger list in this thread within third post for OOC matches.
- Keep a Pursuer's list in this thread within third post for RP hunts/matches.
- Your preference rules do not exclude you from the basic rules.
- Matches can be held on the forum, in a separate thread, but it is not required, Time outs no longer occur on SL nor do posts disappear until months after the inactivity rules have been exceeded.
- Post any planned absences to this thread and match thread if applicable.
So 30 posts ago I asked about comments on this first set of rules concerning a forum account. If we could at least get this agreed to or amended. I got 2 replies.
While the chakra suppression discussion is of interest, it might be better to have that in the thread about IC hunts that Bocc made and get back to business?
This section is not even all that controversial really...yeah or nay!
Okay, let's move on and assume this is accepted.
My only question is about the 'updating of the current activity log'.
I assume there are to just mention date, time, village/location of their last RP right? I don't want to read a summary. Besides if someone is serious about 'hunting' a bijuu, they should read the RP themselves to see what it is about. Also, I don't want this log to be long either so keep it within 6 lines, latest info on first (or last?) line.
I assume it would be an incredibly breif summery. Such an example being: Rusaku was seen in konoha consoling fellow shinobi after the loss of the beloved Krik.
And that would be the end of it. Followed by a date and approximate time for people to cross reference. Indeed if a hunter wishes to learn more about the situation, they will go do the research themselves. While I don't think we should hold their hand through it all, we need to give some information on what is going on in our lives to point them in the right direction. Maybe? I don't know.
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I assume it would be an incredibly breif summery. Such an example being: Rusaku was seen in konoha consoling fellow shinobi after the loss of the beloved Krik.
And that would be the end of it. Followed by a date and approximate time for people to cross reference. Indeed if a hunter wishes to learn more about the situation, they will go do the research themselves. While I don't think we should hold their hand through it all, we need to give some information on what is going on in our lives to point them in the right direction. Maybe? I don't know.
I like that. A one-sentence summary stating the 5W's of the situation.
Who - Rusaku
What - Consoling fellow shinobi
Where - Konoha
When - (the mention of RL date/time in log would cover that)
Why - the loss of the beloved Kirk
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With the tag line of activity...I was thinking this proves they are active. You look at it and BHAM. Date, place, event. Nothing to argue about. Since the activity rec is 14 days, you would not have to post everything, just the min to prove you are meeting your obligations as per the rule. Each host would be replying to their own thread as a host. SO having multiple entries/edits to the reply in their own post would not be a problem as long as text limit was not exceeded. But then I like history so having all it there is cool to me. But seriously...only one needs to be listed to show that within the last 14 days they did rp somewhere. It might be nice to have more entries just to see which hosts are the most active, or the type of things people are getting up to. But that is all fluff and outside what would be required.
- 10-1-15: Konoha: splashed paint on a fur wearing aristocrat
- 10-14-15: Kiri: broke a window with a rock.
- 10-21-15: Suna: Stood in awe of the beauty all around.
- 10-28-15: Suna: Fell in love with the place. Bought a house.
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So...in the spirit of moving along, I put up the activity rules in the first post and would now like for us to discuss Challenger responsibilities.
If there is some objections to this, then we can go back and discuss the activity rules again until that objection is settled before moving on....at any time.
So...what are the responsibilities of the challenger? Any ideas on this?
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So...in the spirit of moving along, I put up the activity rules in the first post and would now like for us to discuss Challenger responsibilities.
If there is some objections to this, then we can go back and discuss the activity rules again until that objection is settled before moving on....at any time.
So...what are the responsibilities of the challenger? Any ideas on this?
So! Let's talk about characters that are OP.
If you have not seen the newest movie, Boruto: Naruto the movie, then I suggest you do so, or at least look up some clips of it so you have a bit of source material for what I am going to be talking about.
This movie really puts into perspective how very DBZ this show has become. At one point, there is a massive chakra beast fight that rivals the size of a gundam battle with Naruto skins slapped onto it.
In the Last Toneri is able to cut the moon clean in half with a single technique. That is a mind boggling feat to say the least.
Like it or not, the Naruto-verse has evolved to a much grander scale than one could ever imagine when compared to Part one Naruto. While I am not so quick to say the old school players need to evolve, but you cannot deny that the world around you has grown to great heights.
Of course with these amazing advancements, the people who play SL will be quick to use all of the new material to the best of their creative ability, and we cannot fault them for that. At the same time, we cannot go about placing limits on what they can create unless they obviously break rules or regulations in doing it.
Going to the situation with Yujo, it is very obvious he has a firm grasp on how to be a ninja considering his numerous acts of deception in order to achieve his goal, but at the same time Naruto is no longer about being a ninja. It's a Dragon ball Z imitation with massive explosions and flying beings that can have inter-dimensional space battles and destroy planetary bodies with a single technique.
To ask someone who has created their character around these things is literally asking them to fight with both hands tied behind their back with a blindfold on. While I have no doubt he could do the fight, it's about the principal of the thing.
It was known from the start that the preference list for fights was not set in stone. I could have put in my list that all of my fights will be in the most beneficial zone to me with a number of traps already set for whomever braves my land. A challenger is under no obligation to accept those conditions, instead it is a suggestion that will allow the fight to go more smoothly OOC. Eiko's request for an all taijutsu battle is paramount to asking for a handicap in my eyes and by no means do we have to abide by that.
Now, when talking about people who are OP only being the ones who have beasts, I am at a loss. Of course I think your skill should reflect if you have a beast or not, and if your not skilled enough to take on whomever has the beast before you, then I am sorry. Though there is the trend of only powerful people having the beasts. Well, I attribute that with: "Those are the people who were strong enough to defeat their predecessor."
Just because you actively limit your character, once again does not mean other must do the same. I think that if you have intentions of collecting a tailed beast, then you must prepare to fight the crem dela crem, and if you can't quite fit the bill, then you were not ready for that responsibility.
I am sure there is more that I could say in this regard, but I want to know what your thoughts are so far so I can get a different perspective.
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I would not call Yujo crem de la crem.
His failure to post in the zones with Kite and Kirk that the ice crystals were polluted with his chakra, considering that Kite had his byakugan active, was a HUGE oversight. When it was pointed out, he apparently refused to give on the point because...guess what? Kirk is dead now and Kite injured from being what is an auto-hit due to the failure to provide that crucial information. This was NOT a situation where he was employing a ruse. This was a lack of detail that Kite would have detected given his currently activated powers in the zone. And then just like magic bunshin, the ice crystals in the air are a deadly attack that slays Kirk. DO I believe that Yujo made it up that his ice crystals were going to be an attack? No, I believe he legitimately was setting it up that way in order to get the upper hand. And that is a wonderful ninja thing to do. However, it was not good RP because it denied the active power of the Hokage to perceive the threat until it was too late to react in a manner he would have done, had he known of the threat. And rather than cause a fuss with Yujo to the point of their being bad blood? Kirk takes the death in the end after some vacillation. Totally his choice.
merely one instance.
In my last battle with Yujo, his continued failure to react to the moves Shima was making enabled me to make an autohit upon him. To which he vehemently objected as a god mod move. Even though I had to point out to him after every post he made how he had failed to react to this move of mine or that move of mine. And they were not hidden, secretive moves, but quite obvious attacks. His failure to give credence to her actions as significant in any way was quite abominable.
merely another instance. And there are more...
His RP has improved tremendously since then. And I am quite proud of the improvements he has made over the years in the detail he does provide. And yet, when he makes a mistake...well...he insists that it is not one and to the death of a character? I am sorry , but no. Were he prone to permit reposts or compromise in any way, then it would be a different story. Given the history of RP Yujo presents, I can not fault Eiko in her wish to just cut out the BS and get down to a taijutsu match. IF he is crem de la cream, then it will show in a pure hand to hand match. And if he is not? well that will be glaringly obvious.
Was this to be a discussion on Yujo? Or about challenger responsibilities?
As to OPness in general. I will have to think on what my opinion truly is. I have seen the movie. I am all caught up on the manga. I have not finished the anime though. One day...
But I must go to work in 15 mins for a night shift.
I do not make my comments in response to Yujo's RP style for the sake of venting bile. And I can't stress that enough. It is important that it is established there are legit concerns on both sides of the issue here though. And perhaps it is not the OPness that is the problem, but the more basic rules of rp.
If a crucial detail is left out, you just have to back off and admit it rather than insist you are right clear to the point of character death or just saying...well I am taking your life...you can pretend to live, or I now have your bijuu and you can pretend to still have it but we all know different. and the people I RP with will do things as though it went my way and the people who RP with you can just continue to be deluded and do things as though you were correct.
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No real comment on OPness because ultimately people who want to do something will do so regardless of what you tell them.
As for Yujo/Eiko thing, only one thing I've already said couple of times in the past.
Why bother giving preferences at all, if a challenger can just throw them out the window with no questions asked.
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You say your response is not to spit bile, but in fact the entire post simply oozed it.
I was not posting here to have a conversation about Yujo. I was here to discuss matters on if being OP is a bad thing for a host, or if it's a good thing. If you wish to talk to him about it, I am sure he is easy enough to contact. Though like you pointed out, it matters not how you see the RP considering Kirk is now dead and kite injured. GG?
If anyone has anything, ya know, relevant or perhaps even helpful to post on this particular subject, please do so.
As for the reason of even having preferences? I honestly could not tell you truth be told. I used it to let those know what techniques were void, and rules for the battle such as posting times and all the jazz. It never had any limiters such as voiding all chakra, because that is absolute nonsense when applied to an official biju match. The point of a match is the fight a host and their beast, not some nerf of that character. At least that is how i see it.
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Thing is though, and I'm not trying to be an ass here, by your logic even your voids don't matter, if a challenger said no I don't agree to that then you as the defender would have to oblige and accept they can use those things.
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Thing is though, and I'm not trying to be an ass here, by your logic even your voids don't matter, if a challenger said no I don't agree to that then you as the defender would have to oblige and accept they can use those things.
And that's when you discuss things with them, and if that does not work you can take it to the forum. Sometimes discussing things with people can actually work :o I have seen it happen, however rare it may be.
Though there is a significant distinction between voiding a select few god mod techniques, and wanting to nerf someones entire character down to a shell of it's former self.
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Point wasn't to say compromises can't happen, but rather that there's basically nothing stopping the challenger from just making up reasons after another to disagree with the preferences, until all of em are gone. If said challenger also happens to be more popular among forum goers than the defender, then bringing it here doesn't help either, the defender will just get shouted down by many instead of one, and be forced to accept whatever the challenger wants or get stripped.
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Point wasn't to say compromises can't happen, but rather that there's basically nothing stopping the challenger from just making up reasons after another to disagree with the preferences, until all of em are gone. If said challenger also happens to be more popular among forum goers than the defender, then bringing it here doesn't help either, the defender will just get shouted down by many instead of one, and be forced to accept whatever the challenger wants or get stripped.
Are any of us truly popular on here? Because it seems we all get equally shit on when it's our turn for the limelight.
Alas that is a conversation for later I guess.
Honestly, you could come at me for days with every single scenario in the book, but at the end of the day if the world is actively fighting against you in a situation, then I guess you are shit out of luck. The forum is supposed to be our medium for gathering a gauge on a communities feel for a situation, and if what you are asking is so far fetched that no compromise will work AND the community is against you, then perhaps you are the problem here, not the challenger.
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The preferences are there to be just that. Your preferences. So a challenger knows what you'd like to do before challenging you and what they are getting themselves into. If I saw a host who had a million rules all set out for how they were going to insist the whole fight was actually going to be a game of Texas Hold Em I would probably save them for later and challenge someone who I find more agreeable first. They aren't rules you can set.
The Taijutsu Battle for instance I would have no problem with, personally. All the same I don't think that should be something that you can force. What if someone makes a character that is the opposite of Rock Lee? Someone who sucks at Taijutsu but is really good at Nin/Genjutsu? Sucks to be them? What if it was someone that caused trouble like Masane could everyone insist on a Taijutsu battle just to stick it to her?
This is Shinobi Legends, not Boxer Legends, not MMA Legends. I would say you should ALWAYS be allowed (in challenge type scenarios anyway) to fight with at least basic Ninjutsu, Taijutsu, Genjutsu, and ninja tools and abilities. To strip away all of the shinobi aspects of shinobi legends is silly, to say the least, and making that a requirement is rubbish.
What Eiko, for instance, should be saying is that she would like to do a Taijutsu battle for various reasons. She can explain why she wants to do that to her challenger and ask them to agree to it. They can then agree or disagree and explain why.
It should not be, "You have to fist fight me or you do not get to fight me. Period."
I am not saying she does that I am just using her condition as an example.
Warren, you say why bother with the preferences if a challenger can throw them all out. I say to you why bother having bijuu rules if the hosts all get to make their own rules? When I made the post on the forum challenging you someone messaged me on SL and said he understood my feelings as he had also once challenged you and, in his words was, "politely told to eff off." I saw another topic on the forum about the same thing as well. Yet the bijuu rules state, "BOTH decide if the match will be an IC Challenge or an OOC Challenge."
What should happen instead of no one ever getting to fight you is that a impartial party should literally flip a coin on it. There's no way to have a discussion topic about whether a fight should be OOC or IC so if something like that cannot be decided it should be decided by simple random chance.
Neither the challenger nor the host are the dominant party in this situation. Both are supposed to reach some kind of consensus. Refusal to do so, from either party, is what has been causing our recent problems.
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I felt it was relevant to point out the autohit with Kirk and Kite, the character control with Shima. Failure to adhere to basic RP rules is what I was discussing. And that is relevant. Not because of the outcome of that RP, but because people see how an RP is run and then decide well that is not something I want to put myself through. An obvious autohit and the author doesn't have to fix it? He is successful and the character dies? Uhm....yeah...I am so gonna rush to go out and RP a bijuu death match with someone like that.
I said that maybe being OP is not the problem, but basic RP tactics are.
I used Yujo as an example because you mentioned him as having a firm grasp upon what a ninja should be. I have my doubts about his ability to then take that image of what a ninja should be and not auto hit or character control during his RP. Do I think he tries to CC and Auto hit on purpose? No. But it is an easy mistake to make. Once it is pointed out, however...then he should correct it. Not insist it is fine as is. Because it is not fine to break the basic Rules of RP.
And I believe you said that yourself in your post:
-->"Of course with these amazing advancements, the people who play SL will be quick to use all of the new material to the best of their creative ability, and we cannot fault them for that. At the same time, we cannot go about placing limits on what they can create unless they obviously break rules or regulations in doing it. "
Now...are we done saying this person is great and that person is not? May we now just speak about the issue without making it about specific people either to praise or to complain? For any one person that is held up as a paragon of virtue I can site a case when they are most definitely not. And for each time we can point to someone and say how horrible they acted in this situation I can also say how wonderful and perfectly dead on they were in another. It serves no purpose to do either.
I don't need to know how Warren did this or Eiko did that any more than you need to know how Yujo did this or that either.
What then should the responsibilities of a challenger be?
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Well the short version of what I was getting at using specific examples is that the challenger needs to be willing to compromise, just as the host does.
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I agree. Compromise is what is lacking.
Compromise though is not one sided. If I say...I will not use suiton, then you have to give up something to me too. Cause I know water terrifies you. But I would sacrifice those jutsu to appease your fears and make you feel better. But it is going to cost you. Tit for tat. Compromise.
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His failure to post in the zones with Kite and Kirk that the ice crystals were polluted with his chakra, considering that Kite had his byakugan active, was a HUGE oversight. When it was pointed out, he apparently refused to give on the point because...guess what? Kirk is dead now and Kite injured from being what is an auto-hit due to the failure to provide that crucial information. This was NOT a situation where he was employing a ruse. This was a lack of detail that Kite would have detected given his currently activated powers in the zone. And then just like magic bunshin, the ice crystals in the air are a deadly attack that slays Kirk. DO I believe that Yujo made it up that his ice crystals were going to be an attack? No, I believe he legitimately was setting it up that way in order to get the upper hand. And that is a wonderful ninja thing to do. However, it was not good RP because it denied the active power of the Hokage to perceive the threat until it was too late to react in a manner he would have done, had he known of the threat. And rather than cause a fuss with Yujo to the point of their being bad blood? Kirk takes the death in the end after some vacillation. Totally his choice.
I forgot to reply to that the first time you mentioned this....
So I am very confused on why you argue that Yujo should have mentioned the ice crystals were polluted with his chakra. It was stated that he was the cause of them. And re-reading the RP, I feel even if he included that little detail, it would not have changed the outcome because I heard that Kite and Kirk thought the whole thing was of a 'natural disaster' that was caused from the bijuu chakra (correct me if I'm wrong). They did not even mention the chakra aura that they were in, which expanded 30 meters from Yujo.
In regards to OP characters, I am fine with limitations but Rusaku has a point. Naruto is about ninjas and restrict them to only taijutus seems unjust. But even using Lee as a example, at least he has Gates. I'm assuming that Gates is not even allowed in this 'Taijutsu' fight (although that would be unfair if only one side has Gates). However, what I have seen with people with so much abilities is a lot of 'power throwing'. Basically, using a variety of different abilities and using some, if not all, of them wrongly. I have seen it in people you would not expect but it's true. So I approve of OP limitations so people can use their brains more than their brawn. However making a bijuu match Taijutsu only is unfair imo. We're shinobis, why can't we fight like one?
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Thing is though, and I'm not trying to be an ass here, by your logic even your voids don't matter, if a challenger said no I don't agree to that then you as the defender would have to oblige and accept they can use those things.
And that's when you discuss things with them, and if that does not work you can take it to the forum. Sometimes discussing things with people can actually work :o I have seen it happen, however rare it may be.
Though there is a significant distinction between voiding a select few god mod techniques, and wanting to nerf someones entire character down to a shell of it's former self.
So long as both parties take the nerf what is the issue? If both will only be using taijutsu (as stated here) than no one has the advantage of the nerf.
It boils down to rp skill as it should.
The thing about opness is this: it starts to bleed into a lack of rp skill. The mind set forms that my character is so strong I don't need to give details. I suspect that may be what Kay was hinting at.
An equal nerf like that should be fine.
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Thing is though, and I'm not trying to be an ass here, by your logic even your voids don't matter, if a challenger said no I don't agree to that then you as the defender would have to oblige and accept they can use those things.
And that's when you discuss things with them, and if that does not work you can take it to the forum. Sometimes discussing things with people can actually work :o I have seen it happen, however rare it may be.
Though there is a significant distinction between voiding a select few god mod techniques, and wanting to nerf someones entire character down to a shell of it's former self.
So long as both parties take the nerf what is the issue? If both will only be using taijutsu (as stated here) than no one has the advantage of the nerf.
It boils down to rp skill as it should.
The thing about opness is this: it starts to bleed into a lack of rp skill. The mind set forms that my character is so strong I don't need to give details. I suspect that may be what Kay was hinting at.
An equal nerf like that should be fine.
So if I rp as kurenai and the host is might guy then a tai jutsu only battle is a fair and even contest?
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Thing is though, and I'm not trying to be an ass here, by your logic even your voids don't matter, if a challenger said no I don't agree to that then you as the defender would have to oblige and accept they can use those things.
And that's when you discuss things with them, and if that does not work you can take it to the forum. Sometimes discussing things with people can actually work :o I have seen it happen, however rare it may be.
Though there is a significant distinction between voiding a select few god mod techniques, and wanting to nerf someones entire character down to a shell of it's former self.
So long as both parties take the nerf what is the issue? If both will only be using taijutsu (as stated here) than no one has the advantage of the nerf.
It boils down to rp skill as it should.
The thing about opness is this: it starts to bleed into a lack of rp skill. The mind set forms that my character is so strong I don't need to give details. I suspect that may be what Kay was hinting at.
An equal nerf like that should be fine.
So if I rp as kurenai and the host is might guy then a tai jutsu only battle is a fair and even contest?
Those people aren't op if we refer to part one. I was referring to SL opness. Where we have mastered everything under the sun.
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Hosts are generally given leeway and their preferences is something that is sometimes questionable. (Which is certainly interesting looking at Eiko and Gitsune's case)
The loop-hole with going by that host's preferences is that usually is it assumed that that host will used their beast to their full extent; meaning they are allowed to use tails. Taijustu only matches is generally a topic of Seven Mist Swordsman application and tests, now can this be applied to a sanctioned tailed beast match? Yes and no. If I am only allowed to use Taijustu and swords, then it can be assumed that I will use chakra to enhance these qualities; I will employ the usage of the Eight Gates. Same can be assume for those who will put their tailed beast on the line and are generally allowed to use tails.
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Thing is though, and I'm not trying to be an ass here, by your logic even your voids don't matter, if a challenger said no I don't agree to that then you as the defender would have to oblige and accept they can use those things.
And that's when you discuss things with them, and if that does not work you can take it to the forum. Sometimes discussing things with people can actually work :o I have seen it happen, however rare it may be.
Though there is a significant distinction between voiding a select few god mod techniques, and wanting to nerf someones entire character down to a shell of it's former self.
So long as both parties take the nerf what is the issue? If both will only be using taijutsu (as stated here) than no one has the advantage of the nerf.
It boils down to rp skill as it should.
The thing about opness is this: it starts to bleed into a lack of rp skill. The mind set forms that my character is so strong I don't need to give details. I suspect that may be what Kay was hinting at.
An equal nerf like that should be fine.
You're missing the point. Obviously.
As even bocc said, if their character is the complete opposite of how Lee worked (Fantastic Nin/Gen, horrible Taijutsu) then it would make no sense for them to walk into a zone for an all taijutsu battle. People can be phenomenal in the zones without taijutsu all together, and perhaps that is how they work best. but for a host to go on and try and limit the characters as a whole to the only thing they are good at is retarded.
@Kay
I absolutely adore how you say you want to cut back on the insults so we can work on a solution, yet you openly dedicated an entire post to bashing Yujo. But wait, you tried to save yourself by saying that's not what you were trying to do despite everything you just said. Then proceeded to add nothing to the conversation in the slightest. That's literally paramount to me saying that I'm not racist, but (Insert incredibly racist statement.)
I called the jinks the cream of the crop to be purposefully disingenuous, because truth be told most of you are hot garbage. Not just jinks, but like everyone save for perhaps 3 people, maybe 4.
Hot. Garbage.
I was just trying to move the topic along, but it seems no one else really gives a shit about actually making any progress save for talking in circles with one another about how much this or that person irks you in some way.
Responsibility for being a challenger? Stop being a shithead.
Responsibility for being a host? Stop being a shithead.
Thing is though, and I'm not trying to be an ass here, by your logic even your voids don't matter, if a challenger said no I don't agree to that then you as the defender would have to oblige and accept they can use those things.
And that's when you discuss things with them, and if that does not work you can take it to the forum. Sometimes discussing things with people can actually work :o I have seen it happen, however rare it may be.
Though there is a significant distinction between voiding a select few god mod techniques, and wanting to nerf someones entire character down to a shell of it's former self.
So long as both parties take the nerf what is the issue? If both will only be using taijutsu (as stated here) than no one has the advantage of the nerf.
It boils down to rp skill as it should.
The thing about opness is this: it starts to bleed into a lack of rp skill. The mind set forms that my character is so strong I don't need to give details. I suspect that may be what Kay was hinting at.
An equal nerf like that should be fine.
So if I rp as kurenai and the host is might guy then a tai jutsu only battle is a fair and even contest?
Those people aren't op if we refer to part one. I was referring to SL opness. Where we have mastered everything under the sun.
Uhh, no. You can't throw a blanket "Everyone is a god" excuse onto the situation and expect that to fly, because I know for a fact people are out there who RP being absolute shit in Taijutsu. What are they barred from fighting then? Because they sure as shit would lose that fight if they stayed in character. That is essentially forcing them to break character in order to even have a sliver of a chance.
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Thing is though, and I'm not trying to be an ass here, by your logic even your voids don't matter, if a challenger said no I don't agree to that then you as the defender would have to oblige and accept they can use those things.
And that's when you discuss things with them, and if that does not work you can take it to the forum. Sometimes discussing things with people can actually work :o I have seen it happen, however rare it may be.
Though there is a significant distinction between voiding a select few god mod techniques, and wanting to nerf someones entire character down to a shell of it's former self.
So long as both parties take the nerf what is the issue? If both will only be using taijutsu (as stated here) than no one has the advantage of the nerf.
It boils down to rp skill as it should.
The thing about opness is this: it starts to bleed into a lack of rp skill. The mind set forms that my character is so strong I don't need to give details. I suspect that may be what Kay was hinting at.
An equal nerf like that should be fine.
You're missing the point. Obviously.
As even bocc said, if their character is the complete opposite of how Lee worked (Fantastic Nin/Gen, horrible Taijutsu) then it would make no sense for them to walk into a zone for an all taijutsu battle. People can be phenomenal in the zones without taijutsu all together, and perhaps that is how they work best. but for a host to go on and try and limit the characters as a whole to the only thing they are good at is retarded.
@Kay
I absolutely adore how you say you want to cut back on the insults so we can work on a solution, yet you openly dedicated an entire post to bashing Yujo. But wait, you tried to save yourself by saying that's not what you were trying to do despite everything you just said. Then proceeded to add nothing to the conversation in the slightest. That's literally paramount to me saying that I'm not racist, but (Insert incredibly racist statement.)
I called the jinks the cream of the crop to be purposefully disingenuous, because truth be told most of you are hot garbage. Not just jinks, but like everyone save for perhaps 3 people, maybe 4.
Hot. Garbage.
I was just trying to move the topic along, but it seems no one else really gives a shit about actually making any progress save for talking in circles with one another about how much this or that person irks you in some way.
Responsibility for being a challenger? Stop being a shithead.
Responsibility for being a host? Stop being a shithead.
Thing is though, and I'm not trying to be an ass here, by your logic even your voids don't matter, if a challenger said no I don't agree to that then you as the defender would have to oblige and accept they can use those things.
And that's when you discuss things with them, and if that does not work you can take it to the forum. Sometimes discussing things with people can actually work :o I have seen it happen, however rare it may be.
Though there is a significant distinction between voiding a select few god mod techniques, and wanting to nerf someones entire character down to a shell of it's former self.
So long as both parties take the nerf what is the issue? If both will only be using taijutsu (as stated here) than no one has the advantage of the nerf.
It boils down to rp skill as it should.
The thing about opness is this: it starts to bleed into a lack of rp skill. The mind set forms that my character is so strong I don't need to give details. I suspect that may be what Kay was hinting at.
An equal nerf like that should be fine.
So if I rp as kurenai and the host is might guy then a tai jutsu only battle is a fair and even contest?
Those people aren't op if we refer to part one. I was referring to SL opness. Where we have mastered everything under the sun.
Uhh, no. You can't throw a blanket "Everyone is a god" excuse onto the situation and expect that to fly, because I know for a fact people are out there who RP being absolute shit in Taijutsu. What are they barred from fighting then? Because they sure as shit would lose that fight if they stayed in character. That is essentially forcing them to break character in order to even have a sliver of a chance.
I can do whatever I want sense I am hot garbage. Whatever that is....
And it is my opinion is all. Clearly I figure a taijutsu match would mean no chakra allowed which is cool in my thoughts.
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Hosts are generally given leeway and their preferences is something that is sometimes questionable. (Which is certainly interesting looking at Eiko and Gitsune's case)
The loop-hole with going by that host's preferences is that usually is it assumed that that host will used their beast to their full extent; meaning they are allowed to use tails. Taijustu only matches is generally a topic of Seven Mist Swordsman application and tests, now can this be applied to a sanctioned tailed beast match? Yes and no. If I am only allowed to use Taijustu and swords, then it can be assumed that I will use chakra to enhance these qualities; I will employ the usage of the Eight Gates. Same can be assume for those who will put their tailed beast on the line and are generally allowed to use tails.
I did not know that. Interesting.
Back to the 'Challenger responsibilities', I'm very confused on what is there to talk about in this section. This was not mention in any guidelines or the list that was previously mentioned. I mean, seriously what is the responsibilities of a challenger that is not previously mentioned any other section?
There's the 'Challenging a Host' section and perhaps a sub-section of that is about the IC hunts.
Kay, what did you have in mind when you brought up 'Responsibilities of a Challenger'?
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I did not know that. Interesting
Allow me to clarify myself on this subject. Seven Mist Swordsman tests generally employ the usage of Taijutsu, Kenjutsu and Water Release techniques only. I don't want any confusion between us but remarkably the preferences by the accused are nearly identical; with the exception that chakra-based techniques cannot be used. I'm certain a proverbial line was crossed at some point but until these proposed rules are generally accepted by a majority of the community, we won't see any change anytime soon. We have ourselves to blame for not generally getting along with each other and compromising on a single subject.
Edit: I fixed an error in my post.
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I did not know that. Interesting
Allow me to clarify myself on this subject. Seven Mist Swordsman tests generally employ the usage of Taijutsu, Kenjutsu and Water Release techniques only. I don't want any confusion between us but remarkably the preferences by the accused are nearly identical; with the exception that chakra-based techniques cannot be used. I'm certain a proverbial line was crossed at some point but until these proposed rules are generally accepted by a majority of the community, we won't see any change anytime soon. We have ourselves to blame for not generally getting along with each other and compromising on a single subject.
Edit: I fixed an error in my post.
I also agree that you needed to fix an error in your post. So I suppose we can agree! ="D
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@ Rusaku : Yes. I suppose I am adorable that way.
@ Mei: The purpose of bringing it up, about Challenger responsibilities was that when I started this I asked people to state what they wished to see addressed. It was made into a list. It happens to fall as item #2 on the list. So after posting the 'approved' thus far activity rules, I opened discussion on Challenger responsibilities.
Let me say this about what I would like to see included in there, other than the part about both parties not being shitheads... which I totally agree upon:
-->Make a forum account
- post your formal challenge in the host thread of the Jinchuuriki you wish to challenge ONLY after the initial grace period of the host is over. Message the host on SL to alert them to your challenge.
- agree upon a set of guidelines with the host, when your turn rolls round, as to what abilities each has at their disposal, and what the final outcome of the event will be in the event of a win/loss. ie: is this a death match? Will the corpse be claimed by the victor or friends of the dead person? Who will be the judge to settle disputes?
- activity: make a post at least once every 7 days, or the match is forfeit.
- announce any leave of absence in the bijuu arena section of the forum as a separate thread. Notify the host of this leave of absence. This is not to exceed 14 days or the match will be forfeit.
- post your match on SL some place public, or on a forum thread.
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@ Rusaku : Yes. I suppose I am adorable that way.
@ Mei: The purpose of bringing it up, about Challenger responsibilities was that when I started this I asked people to state what they wished to see addressed. It was made into a list. It happens to fall as item #2 on the list. So after posting the 'approved' thus far activity rules, I opened discussion on Challenger responsibilities.
Let me say this about what I would like to see included in there, other than the part about both parties not being shitheads... which I totally agree upon:
-->Make a forum account
- post your formal challenge in the host thread of the Jinchuuriki you wish to challenge ONLY after the initial grace period of the host is over. Message the host on SL to alert them to your challenge.
- agree upon a set of guidelines with the host, when your turn rolls round, as to what abilities each has at their disposal, and what the final outcome of the event will be in the event of a win/loss. ie: is this a death match? Will the corpse be claimed by the victor or friends of the dead person? Who will be the judge to settle disputes?
- activity: make a post at least once every 7 days, or the match is forfeit.
- announce any leave of absence in the bijuu arena section of the forum as a separate thread. Notify the host of this leave of absence. This is not to exceed 14 days or the match will be forfeit.
- post your match on SL some place public, or on a forum thread.
That last three is also falls under the responsibilities of the Jink also.
And I feel parts of the second one as well.
In regards to the first one, each jink is going to have a thread? Maybe we can just have one general 'bijuu challenger' thread for those who are interested.
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If each person has their own thread then you do not have to weed through unrelated replies in the topic post to find the pertinent information pertaining to the host you are seeking. It is my preference to have each host maintain their own thread due to organizational book keeping issues. It is tidy.
Does it matter one way or the other?
no.