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Roleplay => All That Is Bijuu => Rules/Foundation => Topic started by: Hazama on February 24, 2017, 01:05:46 AM

Title: Reword the rules?
Post by: Hazama on February 24, 2017, 01:05:46 AM
So I just realized how stupid this rule is.

A host cannot be challenged for his or her biju until after his or her 14 day grace period is over. After a host's 14 day grace period has ended, a challenger posts/issues a challenge to the host of preference as a reply to the thread of that particular beast for which they are interested in competing. The challenger must post to the host's preference thread to make a valid challenge. The host should also be notified by the challenger via SL PM (Shinobilegends Personal Message) that the challenger has issued a valid challenge.

I was going to challenge Dart once his grace period was up, since for some reason it says I cannot even challenge him, not just that he doesn't have to start the fight for two weeks. But since he gave it to Ray I have to wait an yet another 2 weeks since Dart was half way through his grace period when he gave it away. Why is that how this works? Shouldn't it just be "A host has a 14 day grace period before they must start fielding their challenges?"
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Chinote on February 24, 2017, 01:24:52 AM
Yea, I don't see anything wrong with getting in line before the doors open. That just seems like a poorly worded rule.
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Eric on February 24, 2017, 01:36:02 AM
Does Ray get the full 2 weeks for a gifted biju?   :-?

Not much point in making a challenge before the grace period is up. It's a race to make a challenge anyways so other than the issue of gifting, I don't see anything wrong with the way the rule is now.
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Dart Terumī on February 24, 2017, 01:38:35 AM
Does Ray get the full 2 weeks for a gifted biju?   :-?

Not much point in making a challenge before the grace period is up. It's a race to make a challenge anyways so other than the issue of gifting, I don't see anything wrong with the way the rule is now.

And herein lies the next segment that should be addressed, to be completely honest.

+1 to the rest of the post.
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Iburi Ray on February 24, 2017, 01:39:47 AM
I'm more than willing to shorten the grace period since I was gifted, by all means. I think I have been pretty decent about most things on here.
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Dart Terumī on February 24, 2017, 01:41:00 AM
I'm more than willing to shorten the grace period since I was gifted, by all means. I think I have been pretty decent about most things on here.

Well, since there's nothing technically against it, you don't have to if you don't want, Ray.
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Nekomaru on February 24, 2017, 01:41:19 AM
Well if Dart only had one week would it just be that Ray only has one week left then? Since it was a gift the period should not change from half to full since it was not a battle over.
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Iburi Ray on February 24, 2017, 01:46:17 AM
I would prefer two weeks to get started some, however if any council members decide otherwise I'll abide.
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Dart Terumī on February 24, 2017, 01:47:50 AM
I would prefer two weeks to get started some, however if any council members decide otherwise I'll abide.

A decision made regarding gifting bijū would not affect you this time around. It can only prevent it from happening in the future.
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Iburi Ray on February 24, 2017, 01:49:18 AM
That so? Then I stand by 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Hazama on February 24, 2017, 02:04:17 AM
Well the issue is this is a loophole that could be abused. If someone really didn't want you to have a bijuu a couple of them could "get too busy" pass the bijuu around and easily stall you for a month.

Not saying that's what's happening here but there's no reason to let it happen either.

I've always thought that it didn't make much sense to not be able to challenge them till after the grace is up.
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Eric on February 24, 2017, 02:14:15 AM
I'll make a discussion thread regarding the gifting of biju. The discussion has been had before but might as well open it back up again.
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Dart Terumī on February 24, 2017, 02:16:53 AM
Well the issue is this is a loophole that could be abused. If someone really didn't want you to have a bijuu a couple of them could "get too busy" pass the bijuu around and easily stall you for a month.

Not saying that's what's happening here but there's no reason to let it happen either.

I've always thought that it didn't make much sense to not be able to challenge them till after the grace is up.

I agree that it is a loophole that needs to be plugged so it can't be abused. Let's get a vote topic on it while we have the others up and running.

However, I assure you that it is not the intent in this particular situation

As for the whole "not challenging part", that was put in effect so people aren't constantly being hounded the moment they get their bijū. So the individual can enjoy some time with the beastie before being sucked into the competitive aspect of the RP. And so it allows for everyone to see just who is who when it comes to Jinchūriki and so everyone has a fair shot at seeking a challenge to that individual.
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Hazama on February 24, 2017, 02:26:22 AM
I do actually believe you.

Really? I mean it's not like they have to do anything about the challenge till the 2 weeks is up, it's just people getting in line.
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Chinote on February 24, 2017, 02:31:26 AM
Really? I mean it's not like they have to do anything about the challenge till the 2 weeks is up, it's just people getting in line.
+1
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Trev on February 24, 2017, 02:40:33 AM
The rule was also there before jinch had to accept all previous challenges. So the rule was put in to place to be fair to those that wanted to challenge. So it wasn't so and so happened to be logged in at the time there was a new jinch and got first challenge cause they were online and nobody else was. The 2 weeks no challenges would give ample time for the information to spread on SL and have multiple people informed.

But the rule is pretty much outdated now since challenges don't go away for a new host.
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Hazama on February 24, 2017, 02:52:46 AM
Is it really that big of a deal? I feel like if you were interested in a bijuu you'd be keeping your eye on it already.
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Trev on February 24, 2017, 02:58:54 AM
Is it really that big of a deal? I feel like if you were interested in a bijuu you'd be keeping your eye on it already.

It used to be. Say you challenged a host in the old days, and were fifth on the list or something. Wake up the next day and the host has either lost a fight or gave the biju away and the new host already has like six challengers. So you lost your challenge and now have to take spot 7. The two week freeze gave ample time for people to find out and not be screwed without at least a chance.

But with the advent of inherited list, I don't think it's really needed anyway, unless people go with the reason Dato said.
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Hazama on February 24, 2017, 03:08:19 AM
Is it really that big of a deal? I feel like if you were interested in a bijuu you'd be keeping your eye on it already.

It used to be. Say you challenged a host in the old days, and were fifth on the list or something. Wake up the next day and the host has either lost a fight or gave the biju away and the new host already has like six challengers. So you lost your challenge and now have to take spot 7. The two week freeze gave ample time for people to find out and not be screwed without at least a chance.

But with the advent of inherited list, I don't think it's really needed anyway, unless people go with the reason Dato said.

Oooooooooooh, right. Wasn't thinking about it in the context of old rules. That does make sense. But like you said it's really not needed anymore.
Title: Re: Reword the rules?
Post by: Raifudo Oppa on February 24, 2017, 03:11:07 AM
My proposal (mind you, I only skimmed the first page of this thread):

2 weeks grace period. If beast is gifted, remaining grace period also is passed to the new host. The new host receives a minimum of 4 days, however. I.E., grace period ends in one day, we give the receiver 3 more days.

Bijuu cannot be re-gifted until x days (I'm gonna say 4 weeks here, minimum.)

I agree with being able to challenge a host before the grace period ends, the host can choose whether or not to take on fights before then, but they must make a public(!) wait list at the very least. I don't know why that was scrapped, that used to be a thing. You didn't need to wait 2 weeks until you can challenge.