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Roleplay => All That Is Bijuu => Bijuu Arena => Topic started by: KayentaMoenkopi on December 31, 2014, 08:12:24 AM
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Correct me if I am wrong but...
the rule about how to challenge
1] ºHow to Challenge a Jinchurikiº
In order to challenge a Jinchuriki & obtain a Biju, one must extend an invitation to its host; this places you on the list of challengers that each host must update in a publicly accessibly spot. [Either as a post in this thread or on the wikia as a discussion topic on the tailed beasts page. Here] The two will make all arrangements for when the match will begin and where. Should the Jinchuriki ignore or refuse the invitation(s)-with no reason given- 3 times consecutively, you may report it to other Jinchuriki. Subject for such an event's invitation, for proof & reference of a challenge, must be titled: (Number of tails) - (Name of Jinchuriki); the body of the message may be as you please (though manners & politeness would of course make things much smoother).
...does not say what a valid reason for refusing a challenge is.
I think you are someone else and you are a godmodder does not seem like a valid reason to me.
To me a valid reason would be....
1] you and I can't be in the same room without trying to kill each other....to which you should behave properly and stop being children about it...or maybe give the bijuu to someone who can handle the stress...and as the challenger stop making challenges until you can behave properly as well.
2] I have beat you the last 60 million times we fought, I feel I have proved you can't beat me.
3] You have demonstrated in the past in our fights that you insist upon blatant character control, god modding, ignoring my moves, evading everything under the sun and or metagaming and I am just not going to enter into combat with you again until you learn how to RP properly....and this should be documented not just made up hype over someone you do not like...not witnessed in other fights but experienced first hand.
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respawning.
I think that if the host is utterly destroyed, as in dust release, that the bijuu is also utterly destroyed and should respawn. I do not feel this is being unfair to those who use dust release. IF there is another jutsu that utterly destroys the host then it too would provoke a respawning.
thoughts on these two issues?
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Correct me if I am wrong but...
the rule about how to challenge
1] ºHow to Challenge a Jinchurikiº
In order to challenge a Jinchuriki & obtain a Biju, one must extend an invitation to its host; this places you on the list of challengers that each host must update in a publicly accessibly spot. [Either as a post in this thread or on the wikia as a discussion topic on the tailed beasts page. Here] The two will make all arrangements for when the match will begin and where. Should the Jinchuriki ignore or refuse the invitation(s)-with no reason given- 3 times consecutively, you may report it to other Jinchuriki. Subject for such an event's invitation, for proof & reference of a challenge, must be titled: (Number of tails) - (Name of Jinchuriki); the body of the message may be as you please (though manners & politeness would of course make things much smoother).
...does not say what a valid reason for refusing a challenge is.
I think you are someone else and you are a godmodder does not seem like a valid reason to me.
To me a valid reason would be....
1] you and I can't be in the same room without trying to kill each other....to which you should behave properly and stop being children about it...or maybe give the bijuu to someone who can handle the stress...and as the challenger stop making challenges until you can behave properly as well.
2] I have beat you the last 60 million times we fought, I feel I have proved you can't beat me.
3] You have demonstrated in the past in our fights that you insist upon blatant character control, god modding, ignoring my moves, evading everything under the sun and or metagaming and I am just not going to enter into combat with you again until you learn how to RP properly....and this should be documented not just made up hype over someone you do not like...not witnessed in other fights but experienced first hand.
NOW....
respawning.
I think that if the host is utterly destroyed, as in dust release, that the bijuu is also utterly destroyed and should respawn. I do not feel this is being unfair to those who use dust release. IF there is another jutsu that utterly destroys the host then it too would provoke a respawning.
thoughts on these two issues?
It was left vague for a reason, regarding what is a valid reason. The reason would vary depending on the circumstance, and be subjective to general opinion. Hard rules for what is a valid reason had not been created on purpose, though for better or for worse is up for debate.
I support respawning if and only if the fight is IC. Otherwise, I think that it is illogical to have a respawning tailed beast.
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Agreeing with Eric here. The conditions of what is plausible cause to deny a challenge is too numerous for a 'written in stone' rule. As the conditions always change.
Respawning in an OOC fight wouldn't make sense...as for IC. Did we ever discuss the respawn time? If I remember it was like a week or so and it takes place in the same zone.
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OOC would be silly yes. If they're acknowledged as having happened during IC timelines at all, one could still just say so and so much time passed before it respawned, they were the first and only one there and captured it as planned.
As for IC kind, it should be in the same area, would be only logical. If a completely blown apart mass of chakra can pull itself back together, makes sense it'd do so on the spot instead of just flying away in the wind. How long this takes though, eh, dunno. Kushina only really said 'a while', so its at least some days. Also the possibility to consider they might reform before a week even, just weakened, and will regen back to full strength some time after that.
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Kay you already know how I feel about the re spawning thing and for some reason I cant start a new topic, My computer is not having that. I would like to fight Dart and I hate to say it, I want round to with Belphe-Bocc. Dart already denied me once for silly reasons such as me and Ichirou being the same person which we are not. I am posting this here to officially challenge them both, AGAIN.
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Mind you, we're talking of completely obliterating the body.
At least personally I believe if you leave some part left, say blow half away and they bleed to death or something, then the bijuu can either be extracted, if not even be capable of emerging on its own.
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The only time I would see respawning as a possibility in the Biju fights is if the Fight is IC
It was to my understanding that in the biju fight, no matter how the other person lost, the Biju was given to the winner of the battle. If we had the biju respawn on body obliteration then I wouldn't even see the point of a biju challenge list or board, we might as well do it all IC on the site, but that's just how I feel about the respawning, everything else I agree with <3
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If the fight is IC then it should mean that the loser dies not the re spawning of the beast...that would make the challenge list useless.
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Be careful sis, we're posting in the same thread one after another, people might think we're the same person again
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Haha right. I suppose I'll just not log on when you are on dear brother.
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Now now guys don't get snarky. Keep on topic. xD
If the host dies IC I think the beast would stay in the vessel for at least a few mins before respawning. Unless that's already a thing. >>
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The only way I think it should re spawn is if the host is killed IC outside of a challenge. That is if they dont have a fight going already.
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In the manga....the Akatsuki were cautioned very strongly NOT to kill the host.
We discussed this long time ago and the respawn time was set at two weeks. IT shows a lack of finesse if you have to kill the host in order to gain the beast. That they die during extractions was a given unless of Hax.
This right here.
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Correct me if I am wrong but...
the rule about how to challenge
1] ºHow to Challenge a Jinchurikiº
In order to challenge a Jinchuriki & obtain a Biju, one must extend an invitation to its host; this places you on the list of challengers that each host must update in a publicly accessibly spot. [Either as a post in this thread or on the wikia as a discussion topic on the tailed beasts page. Here] The two will make all arrangements for when the match will begin and where. Should the Jinchuriki ignore or refuse the invitation(s)-with no reason given- 3 times consecutively, you may report it to other Jinchuriki. Subject for such an event's invitation, for proof & reference of a challenge, must be titled: (Number of tails) - (Name of Jinchuriki); the body of the message may be as you please (though manners & politeness would of course make things much smoother).
...does not say what a valid reason for refusing a challenge is.
I think you are someone else and you are a godmodder does not seem like a valid reason to me.
To me a valid reason would be....
1] you and I can't be in the same room without trying to kill each other....to which you should behave properly and stop being children about it...or maybe give the bijuu to someone who can handle the stress...and as the challenger stop making challenges until you can behave properly as well.
2] I have beat you the last 60 million times we fought, I feel I have proved you can't beat me.
3] You have demonstrated in the past in our fights that you insist upon blatant character control, god modding, ignoring my moves, evading everything under the sun and or metagaming and I am just not going to enter into combat with you again until you learn how to RP properly....and this should be documented not just made up hype over someone you do not like...not witnessed in other fights but experienced first hand.
NOW....
respawning.
I think that if the host is utterly destroyed, as in dust release, that the bijuu is also utterly destroyed and should respawn. I do not feel this is being unfair to those who use dust release. IF there is another jutsu that utterly destroys the host then it too would provoke a respawning.
thoughts on these two issues?
I was going to post in that "other" thread, but it moved so fast and got locked that most of my post irrevelent. The important and relevant portion will be pointed here:
Officially, the biju rules do not specify what is a legitimate reason to deny a biju challenge. So if someone were to suspect that you were trying to get around the biju rules by using an alt, then I would count that as a legitimate reason that could be brought up in a civil manner. Unless someone explicitly tells you that he/she is or is not an alt, all you can go by are assumptions regarding alternate accounts.
Since the holder, IF he/she was trying to buck the system (which I am not saying you guys are) would never reveal such a thing to the biju holder, then assumptions would be all that they or nigh anyone else without sufficient confession could go by. Only if one were to assume that the two are different unless confessions are made would that be a completely invalid excuse for not accepting a biju fight.
If someone were to attempt to bring powers into the fight that are not permitted (either because they were not earned or were just not permitted from the get-go by the host rules) then that is reason for refuse a biju challenge as well. Experience is nice for overarching god-modding, but not necessarily refusal due to powers.
Regarding Respawning, what Kay said:
In the manga....the Akatsuki were cautioned very strongly NOT to kill the host.
We discussed this long time ago and the respawn time was set at two weeks. IT shows a lack of finesse if you have to kill the host in order to gain the beast. That they die during extractions was a given unless of Hax.
IC fights are supposed to be all IC, so yes, biju being forced to respawn if host dies before extraction is kind of an added string. May be why only one or two people including myself do OOC instead of IC. Less hassle OOC, but it's also easier to get whacked too.
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I say he should accept.
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I think if he does have to fight her it should be with the condition that the fight is voided if she cannot keep herself under control. That is what I did in our fight and what I will continue to do.
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So...lets figure this out guys.
Dart has a challenge that he is refusing Machina.
What are you gonna do about it? Say he has good reason or say she should get her challenge?
This needs to be resolved.
Considering she verbally assaulted, verbally harassed, and even threatened my life [real, not character] to the point of being muted by an administrator, I'd say I have every effing reason to NOT deal with her.
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If it is relative then we all have the same relative definition. Since neither Dart or I want to deal with her, and if anyone thinks Dart and me are colluding on something then they need to be on some serious medication.
This is not a new thing. The same behavior was demonstrated before when she and Ichirou were first rping and doing a ton of attacks on various clans and villages. I tried to get her to stop but it did not last.
I also think you should have to defend the bijuu against all comers but that is not what is being supported currently. Isaribi and Dart did not want to have to fight me because we do not get along. Now Dart and I don't want to fight Machina because we don't get along.
Maybe we do need to make a rule about it. No one likes to be verbally harassed by someone they have to fight, and I'm not talking about arguing over whether something is god mod or not. It is not heated discussions it is the perpetual use of insults, swears, etc.
We need consistency. If everyone has to defend the bijuu against everyone then make that a rule. If not then make that a rule. It's currently left open to interpretation.
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I understand how you feel.
but consider...
let's say I am a host and I dont' want to fight you. well I just refuse to the point you act like a big butthead and then I go...oh look there!!! shee hwo they are? I can't fight that person or be around them. They are out of control!
I believe we have that situation here. for right or for wrong...things got out of hand. I wish to see it put to right.
to being with...you should have put her on your challenge list...but from the start you were against that.
Then she acted like a wild thing...and yes...that sort of behavior should not be rewarded...but...neither one of you are blameless here.
at the end of the day i think if you are not going to defend the bijuu you should give it up. being a host makes you a target for all sorts of things. it is just part of the job.
Then I would respect your decision to decline my challenge. It's as simple as that. I possess that trait. I don't like making enemies and I certainly do not fabricating confrontations. It makes me anxious and uneasy.
I was willing to give her a chance to be added for a completely OOC, 1v1 fight to determine if we would even get along in that. If it worked out that we could agree on stuff and actually get along (regardless of the outcome) then it would prove not to be another giant problem like this one has escalated.
I don't see how that is an issue or why it makes me a target for such attacks?
If it is relative then we all have the same relative definition. Since neither Dart or I want to deal with her, and if anyone thinks Dart and me are colluding on something then they need to be on some serious medication.
This is not a new thing. The same behavior was demonstrated before when she and Ichirou were first rping and doing a ton of attacks on various clans and villages. I tried to get her to stop but it did not last.
I also think you should have to defend the bijuu against all comers but that is not what is being supported currently. Isaribi and Dart did not want to have to fight me because we do not get along. Now Dart and I don't want to fight Machina because we don't get along.
Maybe we do need to make a rule about it. No one likes to be verbally harassed by someone they have to fight, and I'm not talking about arguing over whether something is god mod or not. It is not heated discussions it is the perpetual use of insults, swears, etc.
We need consistency. If everyone has to defend the bijuu against everyone then make that a rule. If not then make that a rule. It's currently left open to interpretation.
Who would have thought that we'd see the day where Bocchiere and I agree on something? Y'all remember how that situation played out, correct?
How is this situation any different?
The "ruling" there was to just not associate with each other until things could become civilized and not out of hand again.
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I apologize for not reading this whole thread but I want to put in my two cents with the fact that my sister did NOT threaten Dart's actual life. Like really, I don't know what you people think we are but we're not doing that kind of crap. Kayenta would you pretty please continue your conversation with my sister on the site so that these things can be resolved and I don't have to be recruited to come on the forum and speak on her behalf
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It's not that I can't tell my little sister no, it's that I don't think it's right that the claim that she's threatening lives is in the air, like really?
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Here, this might put things to rest, I had my sister send me the messages. they might be a little out of order or whatever, but still.
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Quote from: Machina on January 01, 2015, 11:55:57 pm
Nope. Just not playing your stupid little game. First you wanted OOC now you want IC. We fight when It's my turn. And you will lose that beast.
You really cannot read, can you?
Let's make it bigger and clearer for you then:
IN ORDER TO EVEN BE THOUGHT OF GETTING A CHALLENGE, YOU MUST FIGHT ME HERE FIRST TO PROVE YOU ARE ACTUAL WORTH ANYTHING.
Otherwise, you're nothing more than a nuisance, a headache, and a waste of my time.
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Quote from: Machina on January 02, 2015, 12:03:47 am
Okay fine. Make the topic. I was not even going to use my KG to fight you when I did but your being a bitch so fine I'll kill you and no one will get to fight you ever again.
And you're reported for verbal abuse. :) Thanks for playing, have a nice day.
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Quote from: Machina on January 02, 2015, 12:13:01 am
Don't care make the topic. so I can kill you
And that's a direct threat against my life. Keep on talking. You'll find yourself banned from all SL affliated sites soon enough.
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Quote from: Machina on December 31, 2014, 05:31:23 am
Hey I dont know if I told you but I want to be added to your challenge list.
No. You are a god-mod. And you already have a slot, Ichirou. Or Tsuyo. Whichever you actually are.
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Quote from: Machina on December 31, 2014, 05:40:54 am
Not a god mod AND I'm neither of them. Ichi is my brother and Tsuyo is my husband. What makes you say I'm a god mod? Bocc?
You're just another alt. I suspect all three of you to be the same exact player. It isn't convincing one bit in how y'all act.
And since I've read every single one of yours and your "brother's" fights since you both decide to coincidentally show up at the same time with bought, overpowered accounts and decide to start role-playing at levels neither of you two ever actually earned.
Plus, the fact you rely on KT and KG to win.
It's a combination of all of that plus terrible gramma, sentence structure, hostility in your posts, and very poor role-playing ability equals only one thing.
You're nothing but a god-mod.
And I don't fight god-mods. Or deal with them. Or reason. Or pretend they exist.
The sole purpose I agreed to your "brother's" [you] challenge is so I can completely eradicated his character from ever existing ever again.
Quote from: Machina on December 31, 2014, 05:49:02 am
Once again, I am not an alt nor do I have one. And there is nothing to suggest that I am a god mod and I'm only hostile to Bocc. People say I'm rude but you..thats terrible. I dont god mod, like ever. I bet I can beat you. If Ichi don't
Hahahah, don't even make me laugh, child and alt.
Good bye. You're challenge is declined.
Quote from: Machina on January 01, 2015, 12:27:27 pm
I would rather wait until its my turn to face you instead of having to do it twice.
Determine how this initial preliminary turns out will determine the nature of the actual challenge.
Right now, I will make it IC and do literally everything in my power to eliminate your character from the site. That includes never being able to be resuscitated or ET'd.
That's a promise, not a threat.
Unless you're going back on your word of "never running from a fight".
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I would rather wait until its my turn to face you instead of having to do it twice.
Determine how this initial preliminary turns out will determine the nature of the actual challenge.
Right now, I will make it IC and do literally everything in my power to eliminate your character from the site. That includes never being able to be resuscitated or ET'd.
That's a promise, not a threat.
Unless you're going back on your word of "never running from a fight".
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Quote from: Machina on January 01, 2015, 11:16:24 pm
You cant make me do something like this to be put on your challenge list. I'm not running from this fight either. If you want to kill me, make the bijuu fight IC. Simple. I have a feeling that you are not going to like what I do to you and be all like 'nope you are not going on the list.' Because I promise you that you will not be able to eliminate me...EVER.
Oh, I will. You know very little how this place works. And just how devastating a truly skilled roleplayer can be.
And so then you are refusing to pre-fight me. And you had the audacity to call me a "coward". Looks like everyone knows who the true one here is.
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Quote from: Machina on January 01, 2015, 11:55:57 pm
Nope. Just not pl
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Since we're talking about challenges. I want a rematch with Bocch. >>
I don't really care about his Bijuu, I just want to fight.
My RP and drawing skills have improved. Especially the latter.
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It is typically considered bad form to post PM's in a public place without the permission of all participant. Whether you recieved such permission is not entirely in doubt, I just want to point that out there with the presence of what looks to be SL PMs.
So...lets figure this out guys.
Dart has a challenge that he is refusing Machina.
What are you gonna do about it? Say he has good reason or say she should get her challenge?
This needs to be resolved.
What did we have Sabu and Hono do again? Did we like, throw them in a ring several times just to see how snarly things would get before finally saying "screw it, let 'em walk"? I don't recall with perfect accuracy at this hour, but I think that is about how that went down.
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8014.0.html
More concise to the relevent information:
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8014.75.html
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8020.15.html
These topics take me a few months back indeed...
His reasons for not wanting to fight her are similar to why Sabu did not want to deal with Hono, except Hono clearly had the grain going against him when he decided to bring it up, and the hostility seemed much wores (either via moderation or graces, this current struggle doesn't seem as heinous). We attempted to work it to death until it was clear that that ship was sinking. Too many fired shots in the hull that went through.
The rule itself clearly makes it open that challenges do not necessarily have to be accepted if valid reasons are given ( which is contrary to when we did only IC hunts now that I reflect). What was left to interpretation (erroneously it seems) is what are "good reasons". A part of me wants to say "deal with it, and if stuff gets too bad the report function still works" and be done with it, but somehow after reading these posts I do not think that is the favored option here.
We have a few options:
A) Pretend none of this happened and sweep it under the void rug
B) Go by what is written and take a tally/vote of who thinks the reason is legit or not legit, and the participants be bound by the decision.
C) Dart is forced to have his match with Machina, but have it in public place (the zones, here on the forum, doesn't really matter to me) so that proceeds may be monitored for god-modding or anything less than savory.
D) Since the two can't get along, put the biju up for Dart's clan competition (I.E, Kirigakure). Neither competitors may compete out of the risk of them competing with each other for the beast. Or, just strip it, give it to his clan leader, and see if the next hosts/champion can compromise. If not, then return the beast to Dart and Machina is no longer permitted to challenge Dart ever for his tailed beast.
E) Give the beast to Bocc and have him fight Machina instead (this I add as a joke to lighten the post a bit).
F) Give the beast to Kay so that she can give the beast to a friend so we can test out the new gifting decision (another joke option).
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Since we're talking about challenges. I want a rematch with Bocch. >>
I don't really care about his Bijuu, I just want to fight.
My RP and drawing skills have improved. Especially the latter.
Liar.
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Since we're talking about challenges. I want a rematch with Bocch. >>
I don't really care about his Bijuu, I just want to fight.
My RP and drawing skills have improved. Especially the latter.
Liar.
Sometimes I don't know if you're serious or just messing with me.
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I find C to be a good option
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... The Sabu situation with Hono...they had tried to fight several times and it just kept going to hoo ha. So it is different if no actual challenge match was even attempted between Machina and Dart.
I am not condoning misconduct and filthy language and personal attacks...but there is a right way to deal with it and I feel this was not handled properly.
The only difference is that we have not gotten to the endstage that eventually caused us to throw up our hands and watch the fireworks. Is this kind of behavior not how their situation escalated and spiraled into what it became? I too hope that history does not repeat itself, but the parallels are not minor imho.
I think the only proper way to handle this would be to remove the tailed beasts from the game. :D Anything else is just putting a band-aide.
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You are the opposite of funny.
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You are the opposite of funny.
In case this was directed at me, my intent was not to humor the masses. 8)
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I have a question though for Dart...have you EVER fought Machina before?
I ask because...the not getting along thing becomes really weak if you have not even given her a single chance and just dismiss her because of things you personally have not experienced from her in a combat scenario.
And I still say the try out...prelim fight is insulting and not fair.
The Sabu situation with Hono...they had tried to fight several times and it just kept going to hoo ha. So it is different if no actual challenge match was even attempted between Machina and Dart.
I am not condoning misconduct and filthy language and personal attacks...but there is a right way to deal with it and I feel this was not handled properly.
Then you misunderstand the entire reason why I suggest the pre-fight. It was for that exact reason to determine if we would even get along. I'm not going to sit through an actual match, with consequences, only to have to deal with the same shit that I dealt with before her mute.
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My sister is asleep I suppose because she isn't online to bring this up herself, so i'm going to bring it up before she does just in case this gets locked or something. I was on the phone with her a lot the night with the pre-lim fight, and her issue with is the fact that apparently(I haven't seen the messages for this one) Dart requested the pre-lim fight, and then declined it to her whenever she accepted. That's just what i've heard, and it's relevant
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He did not necessarily say 'no', he just wont do it
He was like fight fight fight and then I said yes and he wont.
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So, moving on from the skirmishy stuff, what was our decision on respawning? Refusing a biju challenge was, in this thread or another, scrapped, so now we're on to respawning.
Tailed beasts presumably respawn when their host is killed, or if somehow they are killed.
We have some options, naturally, with that bit of discussion. I mean, the beast could respawn and the challenger could fight it and tame it/ seal it with a GM being the judge from the fight (presuming there was a judge).
Or, it could be treated as a loss for the challenger and the beast goes up for tourney to the survivors of the old host's clan or organization, or if none, it can be a mission reward.
Thoughts?
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I don't think it should respawn in a challenge fight, that would defeat the purpose of the challenge list. As I have said before the only way I see it working is if the host is killed IC and if they don't have a fight going. Like Warren. If someone miraculously kills him in Suna IC, then it should respawn. If the host is killed in a challenge fight it should go to the winner. Having the beast go up for grabs renders the challenge list useless and if that were the case then all Bijuu fight should be IC. (Assuming that they all will respawn after a match.) Also making a challenger fight for it, then have to fight more people for it is just too much.
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I mean the way to get a host without killing them is to seal them of course, but as far as Challenge list goes, it's a pain in the ass for a challenger to have to wait an extended period of time (which is often the case) and then they get their fight and just because they kill the host the Biju spawns somewhere random out of their control? I don't like it. I think if the Biju are going to respawn then the challenge list should be scrapped.
Though I also want to put the two cents in that I prefer the challenge system :o
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I'll fix the problem. I'll challenge Dart and then get the bijuu and then give it to Bocc and then from there we go.
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Giving it to him would be the WORST idea
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I'll fix the problem. I'll challenge Dart and then get the bijuu and then give it to Bocc and then from there we go.
I agree, I'm running out of alts to give them to and I dont need all 9 till we get the Gedo Mazo, anyway. You'd be in line behind Hazama, Kamui, and Ichirou. I would be surprised, pleasantly for reference, if Dart beat all 3 of them. So that's probably not needed.
Like I said I did not care which way this went, it seems to be leaning towards you have to accept fights from all comers, so I'm going to side with the majority then and say you have to accept challenges from everyone or forfeit the bijuu. That being said if Ryu was serious about challenging me let me know.
If the Jinchueriki is killed IC the beast respawns around that area a week later, under the control of a GM, was how I thought that worked. If the host dies in a fight the bijuu goes to the winner unless they for some reason agreed to an IC fight where you cannot kill the host to get the beast.
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Yeah Isaribi did that with me in our first fight, I can accept that easily, but just random respawning of the biju all pfthbjhkkl
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Well, the nature of an IC challenger would mean that the fight is completely IC, so they couldn't have concurrent RP going on at the same time. Now, when we were doing RP biju fights, it was clear that just up and killing the host was neither appropriate nor reasonable. I imagine with an IC fight the principle would be the same, since killing the host would also kill the tailed beast in most situations.
Conversely, killing the tailed beast while it is being used as a summon (unlikely, but I'm just putting that thought out there) should certainly not be encouraged. Heck, with the summon, it would be encouraged to steal the beast rather than kill it.
Just because the tailed beast respawns does not necessarily mean it is entirely out of the challenger's control. A GM simply has to control the revived tailed beast during the duration of the fight that ensues. Challengers should not be at full liberty to knock off hosts left and right in an IC fight in my opinion. Everything goes in OOC fights.
Accordingly, with this stipulation, the challenger should have the option to retreat from an IC fight without dying. In other words, if he/she sees that he/she is on the losing end of the spectrum, if he/she can successfully retreat from the battle, then it is considered forfeit and he/she escapes with his/her life.
It is my assertion the bijuu should be stripped from Dart for refusal to accept a challenge.
Since Kotetsu was made to accept Yuijo's challenge, even though he was harassing him quite scathingly during his grace period, I feel that this is a president for having to put up with people who annoy you if you are a host. In the end as he was unwilling to put up with the harassment, he had to give the bijuu away.
this should also be Dart's fate because fair is fair.
If you cannot deal with the drama then you should not have the perk.
It's "precedent". :P
And has Dart continued to refuse the challenge? Yes, the rules regarding that now are "no means strip poker" but since that issue started up before the change, I would imagine he would have another chance to accept the fight before being stripped. If he continues to refuse, then so be it.
I mean the way to get a host without killing them is to seal them of course, but as far as Challenge list goes, it's a pain in the ass for a challenger to have to wait an extended period of time (which is often the case) and then they get their fight and just because they kill the host the Biju spawns somewhere random out of their control? I don't like it. I think if the Biju are going to respawn then the challenge list should be scrapped.
Though I also want to put the two cents in that I prefer the challenge system :o
What does biju respawning have to do with the challenger list? The challenger list is for the benefit of the challenger and host, so that they know where in line challengers were at and "proof" that those challengers are indeed in line to begin with. In an IC fight, it would make sense that killing the host would be discouraged because death of the host would result in the death of the tailed beast in an IC fight. Hosts, IC-wise, would die regardless of whether they are killed in battle or have their beast removed (unless there are special conditions met).
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The reason I feel like the Biju respawning effects the challenge list is because even if a GM is controlling the beast, there is nothing to say that someone else doesn't come along and snatch it first, unless we put in a rule where the challenger who made the beast respawn got first dibs to try and catch it or something. But if we didn't then anyone could come along and snatch it, and say you're like 5th down a challenge list and the host beats everyone before you and you finally beat him, then the beast respawns and some random comes and yoinks it with Genjutsu or some crap
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The reason I feel like the Biju respawning effects the challenge list is because even if a GM is controlling the beast, there is nothing to say that someone else doesn't come along and snatch it first, unless we put in a rule where the challenger who made the beast respawn got first dibs to try and catch it or something. But if we didn't then anyone could come along and snatch it, and say you're like 5th down a challenge list and the host beats everyone before you and you finally beat him, then the beast respawns and some random comes and yoinks it with Genjutsu or some crap
So, moving on from the skirmishy stuff, what was our decision on respawning? Refusing a biju challenge was, in this thread or another, scrapped, so now we're on to respawning.
Tailed beasts presumably respawn when their host is killed, or if somehow they are killed.
We have some options, naturally, with that bit of discussion. I mean, the beast could respawn and the challenger could fight it and tame it/ seal it with a GM being the judge from the fight (presuming there was a judge).
Or, it could be treated as a loss for the challenger and the beast goes up for tourney to the survivors of the old host's clan or organization, or if none, it can be a mission reward.
Thoughts?
The bold describes a more challenger-friendly method of going about it. If the challenger were to lose to the tailed beast for some reason, then it would be completely up for grabs, but they have first dibs on it so's to speak.
If folks want a killer challenger punished more harshly though, then what you just stated would be an optimal punishment for killing the host in an IC fight. xD It certainly would be more of a deterrent to killing the host than the former.
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It is my assertion the bijuu should be stripped from Dart for refusal to accept a challenge.
Since Kotetsu was made to accept Yuijo's challenge, even though he was harassing him quite scathingly during his grace period, I feel that this is a president for having to put up with people who annoy you if you are a host. In the end as he was unwilling to put up with the harassment, he had to give the bijuu away.
this should also be Dart's fate because fair is fair.
If you cannot deal with the drama then you should not have the perk.
I cannot be stripped since I am actually following through with all my duties, i.e. remaining active, setting up the next challenge after Sabu's disappearances. As it is, with the proceedings as they are, the "law" in which you're trying to impose is ex post facto, and I'm immune to it.
Now if another challenge would be issued, I *still* fall under the three strikes rule meaning I have two more opportunities to nullify it her challenge, if I so desired.
I'll fix the problem. I'll challenge Dart and then get the bijuu and then give it to Bocc and then from there we go.
Oh please make this a reality, that will just lengthen the list. ;) Plus, the latter option seems to where I'm leaning at right now.
Giving it to him would be the WORST idea
Now I'm tempted even further to just "give it to him" to spite you.
I'll fix the problem. I'll challenge Dart and then get the bijuu and then give it to Bocc and then from there we go.
I agree, I'm running out of alts to give them to and I dont need all 9 till we get the Gedo Mazo, anyway. You'd be in line behind Hazama, Kamui, and Ichirou. I would be surprised, pleasantly for reference, if Dart beat all 3 of them. So that's probably not needed.
Like I said I did not care which way this went, it seems to be leaning towards you have to accept fights from all comers, so I'm going to side with the majority then and say you have to accept challenges from everyone or forfeit the bijuu. That being said if Ryu was serious about challenging me let me know.
If the Jinchueriki is killed IC the beast respawns around that area a week later, under the control of a GM, was how I thought that worked. If the host dies in a fight the bijuu goes to the winner unless they for some reason agreed to an IC fight where you cannot kill the host to get the beast.
Well, if my own [self-proclaimed*] arch nemesis [and current under fire] is agreeing with the rest, fine. I'll accept her challenge AND if she cannot conduct herself with respect and begins to insult and harass me at any moment, ALL encounters with her will be permanently null, voided, and ignored.
*Self-proclaimed because we don't actually have any IC reason to be enemies other than him being a wanted missing-nin from my village.
Also, the beast respawns after its jinchūriki is killed IC one week later under the control of a non-biased GM, that's been the standard the entire time. Now, I like the idea of the previous judge being the own in control. Helps maintain that air of consistency.
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It is my assertion the bijuu should be stripped from Dart for refusal to accept a challenge.
Since Kotetsu was made to accept Yuijo's challenge, even though he was harassing him quite scathingly during his grace period, I feel that this is a president for having to put up with people who annoy you if you are a host. In the end as he was unwilling to put up with the harassment, he had to give the bijuu away.
this should also be Dart's fate because fair is fair.
If you cannot deal with the drama then you should not have the perk.
I cannot be stripped since I am actually following through with all my duties, i.e. remaining active, setting up the next challenge after Sabu's disappearances. As it is, with the proceedings as they are, the "law" in which you're trying to impose is ex post facto, and I'm immune to it.
Now if another challenge would be issued, I *still* fall under the three strikes rule meaning I have two more opportunities to nullify it her challenge, if I so desired.
I'll fix the problem. I'll challenge Dart and then get the bijuu and then give it to Bocc and then from there we go.
Oh please make this a reality, that will just lengthen the list. ;) Plus, the latter option seems to where I'm leaning at right now.
Giving it to him would be the WORST idea
Now I'm tempted even further to just "give it to him" to spite you.
I'll fix the problem. I'll challenge Dart and then get the bijuu and then give it to Bocc and then from there we go.
I agree, I'm running out of alts to give them to and I dont need all 9 till we get the Gedo Mazo, anyway. You'd be in line behind Hazama, Kamui, and Ichirou. I would be surprised, pleasantly for reference, if Dart beat all 3 of them. So that's probably not needed.
Like I said I did not care which way this went, it seems to be leaning towards you have to accept fights from all comers, so I'm going to side with the majority then and say you have to accept challenges from everyone or forfeit the bijuu. That being said if Ryu was serious about challenging me let me know.
If the Jinchueriki is killed IC the beast respawns around that area a week later, under the control of a GM, was how I thought that worked. If the host dies in a fight the bijuu goes to the winner unless they for some reason agreed to an IC fight where you cannot kill the host to get the beast.
Well, if my own [self-proclaimed*] arch nemesis [and current under fire] is agreeing with the rest, fine. I'll accept her challenge AND if she cannot conduct herself with respect and begins to insult and harass me at any moment, ALL encounters with her will be permanently null, voided, and ignored.
*Self-proclaimed because we don't actually have any IC reason to be enemies other than him being a wanted missing-nin from my village.
Also, the beast respawns after its jinchūriki is killed IC one week later under the control of a non-biased GM, that's been the standard the entire time. Now, I like the idea of the previous judge being the own in control. Helps maintain that air of consistency.
Just so you know, I'm not nerfing myself for you in the slightest. Any chance of that was lost when you were so sure you could take me. Just getting this part out of the way before it even becomes an issue.
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It is my assertion the bijuu should be stripped from Dart for refusal to accept a challenge.
Since Kotetsu was made to accept Yuijo's challenge, even though he was harassing him quite scathingly during his grace period, I feel that this is a president for having to put up with people who annoy you if you are a host. In the end as he was unwilling to put up with the harassment, he had to give the bijuu away.
this should also be Dart's fate because fair is fair.
If you cannot deal with the drama then you should not have the perk.
I cannot be stripped since I am actually following through with all my duties, i.e. remaining active, setting up the next challenge after Sabu's disappearances. As it is, with the proceedings as they are, the "law" in which you're trying to impose is ex post facto, and I'm immune to it.
Now if another challenge would be issued, I *still* fall under the three strikes rule meaning I have two more opportunities to nullify it her challenge, if I so desired.
I'll fix the problem. I'll challenge Dart and then get the bijuu and then give it to Bocc and then from there we go.
Oh please make this a reality, that will just lengthen the list. ;) Plus, the latter option seems to where I'm leaning at right now.
Giving it to him would be the WORST idea
Now I'm tempted even further to just "give it to him" to spite you.
I'll fix the problem. I'll challenge Dart and then get the bijuu and then give it to Bocc and then from there we go.
I agree, I'm running out of alts to give them to and I dont need all 9 till we get the Gedo Mazo, anyway. You'd be in line behind Hazama, Kamui, and Ichirou. I would be surprised, pleasantly for reference, if Dart beat all 3 of them. So that's probably not needed.
Like I said I did not care which way this went, it seems to be leaning towards you have to accept fights from all comers, so I'm going to side with the majority then and say you have to accept challenges from everyone or forfeit the bijuu. That being said if Ryu was serious about challenging me let me know.
If the Jinchueriki is killed IC the beast respawns around that area a week later, under the control of a GM, was how I thought that worked. If the host dies in a fight the bijuu goes to the winner unless they for some reason agreed to an IC fight where you cannot kill the host to get the beast.
Well, if my own [self-proclaimed*] arch nemesis [and current under fire] is agreeing with the rest, fine. I'll accept her challenge AND if she cannot conduct herself with respect and begins to insult and harass me at any moment, ALL encounters with her will be permanently null, voided, and ignored.
*Self-proclaimed because we don't actually have any IC reason to be enemies other than him being a wanted missing-nin from my village.
Also, the beast respawns after its jinchūriki is killed IC one week later under the control of a non-biased GM, that's been the standard the entire time. Now, I like the idea of the previous judge being the own in control. Helps maintain that air of consistency.
Just so you know, I'm not nerfing myself for you in the slightest. Any chance of that was lost when you were so sure you could take me. Just getting this part out of the way before it even becomes an issue.
And this right here is what I am talking about. Inability to even try to make a deal.
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Alright guys let's relax.
Dart, do you have concerns that there was something god mod or whatever that Machina uses that you did not want her to use in her fight with you? I mean I would not want to nerf myself either, I can also see the bad implication from the defender asking the challenger to weaken themselves, but let's try and be open minded about this.
What exactly did Machina need to nerf?
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Alright guys let's relax.
Dart, do you have concerns that there was something god mod or whatever that Machina uses that you did not want her to use in her fight with you? I mean I would not want to nerf myself either, I can also see the bad implication from the defender asking the challenger to weaken themselves, but let's try and be open minded about this.
What exactly did Machina need to nerf?
My bad. Wrong person here.
I don't like the Edo Tensei and Hiraishin claim, that's it.
The ET is too convient to claim since they are "married", and the Hiraishin claim, I don't see how she would posses that knowledge unless you or Dark allowed her to sign the scroll.
Edit: Deleted the initial post due to not reading properly. I will admit my emotions are running rather strong right now, specifically against Kayenta, and thus I reacted in that way. I don't think anyone had seen the initial post before I deleted it, but I wanted the edit to acknowledge my mistake.
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Alright guys let's relax.
Dart, do you have concerns that there was something god mod or whatever that Machina uses that you did not want her to use in her fight with you? I mean I would not want to nerf myself either, I can also see the bad implication from the defender asking the challenger to weaken themselves, but let's try and be open minded about this.
What exactly did Machina need to nerf?
My bad. Wrong person here.
I don't like the Edo Tensei and Hiraishin claim, that's it.
The ET is too convient to claim since they are "married", and the Hiraishin claim, I don't see how she would posses that knowledge unless you or Dark allowed her to sign the scroll.
Edit: Deleted the initial post due to not reading properly. I will admit my emotions are running rather strong right now, specifically against Kayenta, and thus I reacted in that way. I don't think anyone had seen the initial post before I deleted it, but I wanted the edit to acknowledge my mistake.
Well you can certainly try and get her to agree not to use it, but I would not count on much support if you are insisting upon it. Edo Tensei has been nerfed a lot and even more in bijuu fights. You can only summon 1 zombie per bijuu fight, so if you can get rid of it in any way it's done for the rest of the fight.
@Editsfordays: Unfortunately, I can confirm they are both legitimate. She got them both from Tsuyo, who is essentially a second me, since he Human Path'd me, and is thus not bound by Dark's or my Hiraishin scroll.
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Alright guys let's relax.
Dart, do you have concerns that there was something god mod or whatever that Machina uses that you did not want her to use in her fight with you? I mean I would not want to nerf myself either, I can also see the bad implication from the defender asking the challenger to weaken themselves, but let's try and be open minded about this.
What exactly did Machina need to nerf?
My bad. Wrong person here.
I don't like the Edo Tensei and Hiraishin claim, that's it.
The ET is too convient to claim since they are "married", and the Hiraishin claim, I don't see how she would posses that knowledge unless you or Dark allowed her to sign the scroll.
Edit: Deleted the initial post due to not reading properly. I will admit my emotions are running rather strong right now, specifically against Kayenta, and thus I reacted in that way. I don't think anyone had seen the initial post before I deleted it, but I wanted the edit to acknowledge my mistake.
Well you can certainly try and get her to agree not to use it, but I would not count on much support if you are insisting upon it. Edo Tensei has been nerfed a lot and even more in bijuu fights. You can only summon 1 zombie per bijuu fight, so if you can get rid of it in any way it's done for the rest of the fight.
@Editsfordays: Unfortunately, I can confirm they are both legitimate. She got them both from Tsuyo, who is essentially a second me, since he Human Path'd me, and is thus not bound by Dark's or my Hiraishin scroll.
That's all I needed to hear.
I'm still iffy on the the ET usage but that's just me being picky then. It's just too damned convenient.
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I feel your pain dude. xD Took me years to get my hands on those two jutsu and they both get them near immediately. Kids these days.
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Yeah, I think this thread is done. Biju respawning can be brought back up in a fresh thread if the topic is still hot, as this one focused almost entirely on "refusing a biju challenge" rather than "respawning".