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Title: Naruto 596
Post by: Camel on August 01, 2012, 12:34:33 PM
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/596 (http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/596)

There you have it, Kamui and Jikudan Ido are two different Sharingan/Mangekyo techniques as so it seems. >_>
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Angra Mainyu on August 01, 2012, 12:42:28 PM
Wait... So Tobi didn't use it here then?:
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/595/13
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Camel on August 01, 2012, 12:49:28 PM
Wait... So Tobi didn't use it here then?:
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/595/13

I assume that the Juubi negated Kakashi's Kamui with it's void no jutsu.
I mean Kishi is clearly trolling us until a couple of more chapters are released to reveal everything.
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Angra Mainyu on August 01, 2012, 12:56:28 PM
I say they both be voided until Kishi quits trolling with us enough to reveal whether or not, and how they're connected. It seems Kamui can warp things inside of dimensions Jikuukan Ido-users dematerialize within (so generally a medium is required to make a hit), although can't really do anything when used directly on the J.I-user. Pure speculation.

If Tobi turns out to be Obito or one of Obito's relatives, well... troll much Kishi?
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: cmage on August 01, 2012, 12:59:40 PM
Actually it looks like both Kamui and Jikukan Ido allow you to move yourself/stuff through dimensions >> so maybe Kakashi moved the kunai and rasengan into the same dimension as Tobi.
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Angra Mainyu on August 01, 2012, 01:02:13 PM
My second sentence. <_<

As for Kamui... well I'm not so sure about it being capable of warping the user into the same dimension as a Jikuukan Ido user... or maybe they're both the same technique?!  :o
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: cmage on August 01, 2012, 01:08:04 PM
Kamui would be restricted to the "stuff" part of my sentence, and I must have misread yours because "warp things inside of dimensions Jikuukan Ido-users dematerialize within" was very wordy. I wonder if Kakashi will bring back Sasuke's arrow from that one time xD
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Angra Mainyu on August 01, 2012, 01:10:24 PM
There's be plenty of trolling to be had there if he did. :P

ARGH, too many potential theories! Well, not that many, but still. :\
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: cmage on August 01, 2012, 03:09:29 PM
(http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/66/b3/66b3c9a8a07168dfd0b4ca9b223fcce6.jpg)
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Angra Mainyu on August 01, 2012, 03:42:24 PM
(http://www.gpforums.co.nz/attachment.php?s=&postid=5673206)
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Abyss on August 02, 2012, 12:58:25 AM
I've yet to see anyone anywhere mention that Kakashi thought Tobi was Uchiha Kaenjin. Whoever that is, it's exciting that someone thinks they might know Tobi's identity.
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Angra Mainyu on August 02, 2012, 01:04:59 AM
Actually that (Uchiha Kaenjin) was just the name of this (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Uchiha_Flame_Battle_Encampment) technique.
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Zojin on August 02, 2012, 01:54:51 AM
Kishi in the recent interview he had with SJ:

Quote
Question: The legendary ninja is now immortal, does Madara Uchiha have any weakness?
Kishimoto-sensei: All people, even the strongest ones, have weaknesses, however, Madara does not. So we have to pose the question, where and how will the battle go from here!? Please stay excited and wait with eager anticipation to find out!!

Question: What is the connection between Tobi and Madara?
Kishimoto-sensei: Both ninja know one another. What kind of relationship do they have? Well, that will be gradually revealed as the story progresses!!

Question: Will Tobi’s identity be revealed in the future…!?
Kishimoto-sensei: Yes, it will. In fact, Tobi’s identity should be revealed within the next couple of weeks so until then please continue with your predictions!!

Question: How will the story of Naruto and Sasuke continue from this point on?
Kishimoto-sensei: They will meet again, this time during the war. Just wait until you see what is happening then!

Question: We will soon be entering into the climax of the Fourth Shinobi World War arc, please tell us some of the key points that will be coming soon!
Kishimoto-sensei: Everything from here on out is key and everything is just going to get more and more electrifying! All your favorite characters will shine brightly so please continue to enjoy Naruto as the great Shinobi World War reaches its climax!

Thought it seemed interesting to throw in here.
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Abyss on August 02, 2012, 06:55:36 AM
Actually that (Uchiha Kaenjin) was just the name of this (http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Uchiha_Flame_Battle_Encampment) technique.
Which Technique?
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Angra Mainyu on August 02, 2012, 08:29:35 AM
The one I just hyperlin-...

*Sighs*

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Uchiha_Flame_Battle_Encampment
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Eric on August 02, 2012, 03:49:16 PM
space-time migration and kamui seem to be quite inter-related to me. From what I can guess, Kamui is just a lesser version of space-time migration, similar to how Fire Style: Dragon Fire Technique Fire Style: Great Dragon Fire Technique and the Fire Style: Grand Dragon Fire Technique Fire Style: Dragon Flame Release Song.

Since they lead to the same dimension, then it may even be safe to say that if Kakashi were to look into a mirror and use kamui, he might end up warping himself into the pocket dimension Tobi is in. I'm guessing that Tobi has just been capable of training it to a much higher extent, since the technique clearly wouldn't take near as much out of him as it does Kakashi since Tobi is an actual Uchiha. Since he hasn't gone blind, I also presume he has an eternal mangekyou sharingan in dat eye, or has been "borrowing" all of those Uchiha eyes whenever one of his goes blind...

I dunno, just my thoughts.
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Uchiha, Rares on August 02, 2012, 04:44:21 PM
Yeah, cause mirrors reflect Amaterasu, Kamui, and the alike, rather than getting hit by them. >_>
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Bocchiere on August 02, 2012, 04:56:37 PM
Yeah, cause mirrors reflect Amaterasu, Kamui, and the alike, rather than getting hit by them. >_>
It works if you want to use one eye to Tsukuyomi the other though!
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Camel on August 02, 2012, 05:25:56 PM
Yeah, cause mirrors reflect Amaterasu, Kamui, and the alike, rather than getting hit by them. >_>
It works if you want to use one eye to Tsukuyomi the other though!

Didn't Itachi and Sasuke Tsuyomi each other simultaneously?
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Bocchiere on August 02, 2012, 07:27:47 PM
Yeah, cause mirrors reflect Amaterasu, Kamui, and the alike, rather than getting hit by them. >_>
It works if you want to use one eye to Tsukuyomi the other though!

Didn't Itachi and Sasuke Tsuyomi each other simultaneously?

Why he didn't just Tsukuyomi himself through the reflection in Sasuke's eye we'll never know.
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Camel on August 02, 2012, 08:30:04 PM
Yeah, cause mirrors reflect Amaterasu, Kamui, and the alike, rather than getting hit by them. >_>
It works if you want to use one eye to Tsukuyomi the other though!

Didn't Itachi and Sasuke Tsuyomi each other simultaneously?

Why he didn't just Tsukuyomi himself through the reflection in Sasuke's eye we'll never know.

Because aliens.  :roll:
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: cmage on August 03, 2012, 01:35:04 AM
Yeah, cause mirrors reflect Amaterasu, Kamui, and the alike, rather than getting hit by them. >_>
It works if you want to use one eye to Tsukuyomi the other though!

Didn't Itachi and Sasuke Tsuyomi each other simultaneously?

Why he didn't just Tsukuyomi himself through the reflection in Sasuke's eye we'll never know.

Because aliens.  :roll:
(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/small/000/158/329/9189283.jpg?1312526309)
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Eric on August 03, 2012, 02:54:32 AM
Yeah, cause mirrors reflect Amaterasu, Kamui, and the alike, rather than getting hit by them. >_>


They don't reflect them per say, but change what the user of the technique is actually looking at, and thus causes a different target to appear. Chances are, the reflections in eyes are not great enough to cause this effect.
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Angra Mainyu on August 03, 2012, 03:43:07 PM
Simply put: Refraction of light.
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Uchiha, Rares on August 03, 2012, 05:39:58 PM
Those are jutsu that affect what is within one's sight. The mirror would be the victim.  It's no different than saying that by looking at a picture of Eric and using Amaterasu the real Eric is killed.
Using mangekyou techs on water/ice would be suicidal. Lol.
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Kage on August 04, 2012, 07:56:03 AM
If you see someone through a window and use Amaterasu, would you burn the person, or the window?

I believe it would be the window.
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Asadi on August 04, 2012, 08:52:37 AM
If you see someone through a window and use Amaterasu, would you burn the person, or the window?

I believe it would be the window.

That depends on the day. You have to remember, each issue always changes our  perception on how things work in our little fantasy world.
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Uchiha, Rares on August 04, 2012, 11:19:10 AM
It will burn the object you are focusing on. As long as you have your target in sight(not it's reflection) you can do it given that the flames need not to travel bu rather just appear at your location of choice(sight based).
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Bocchiere on August 04, 2012, 04:37:12 PM
It will burn the object you are focusing on. As long as you have your target in sight(not it's reflection) you can do it given that the flames need not to travel bu rather just appear at your location of choice(sight based).

But you really are looking at the window. Man this is confusing.
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Uchiha, Rares on August 05, 2012, 04:11:21 PM
But focusing on the person. It's like how the entire space between you and the target is not igniting in black flames, just the target.
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Bocchiere on August 05, 2012, 05:04:14 PM
But focusing on the person. It's like how the entire space between you and the target is not igniting in black flames, just the target.

But you're not, your focusing on a transparent object the person happens to be behind.
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Uchiha, Rares on August 05, 2012, 11:00:31 PM
It's iffy but it ain't like that. xP
For instance if you were to focus on the window itself you wouldn't see the person as clearly. But no, you are focusing on the person rather. Me thinks.
Title: Re: Naruto 596
Post by: Eric on August 10, 2012, 06:53:06 AM
Those are jutsu that affect what is within one's sight. The mirror would be the victim.  It's no different than saying that by looking at a picture of Eric and using Amaterasu the real Eric is killed.
Using mangekyou techs on water/ice would be suicidal. Lol.


I just realized that the two examples given here... Are far different.

It is not the same at all. Looking at a picture of Eric is not at all changing the light scheme; in fact, you are honestly just looking straight at an object that does not reflect light, refract it, or even create a reflection of something (certainly not to the degree of a legit mirror).

If you look at a mirror, what you're focused on is what is reflected by the mirror, basically, whatever the mirror is reflecting.