Shinobi Legends Forum
Casual => Naruto => Topic started by: Eric on July 24, 2013, 05:51:50 PM
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http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/640/2
Kakashi better hurry up and stop fapping in that alternate dimension, cause crap just got real.
*edit: Thunder god Technique definitely requires a handseal, I got no doubt in my mind now.
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Even though we've seen it used multiple times without one. >>
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Kishimoto retcons again. It does require a hand seal. Remember how the Sharingan was supposedly an off-shoot of the Byakugan? That got blown out of the water pretty quickly with all these eye hacks and evolving into the Rinnegan.
What I liked about this chapter though, is it shows the internal struggle of a Jinchuuriki attempting to use their Bijuu's power without communing or training with it. What I don't like, is how Obito suddenly went Sage of Six Paths. He technically is the Second Sage of Six Paths now, with the Rinnegan and Juubi.
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Unless someone can prove why he was seen using a hand sign and prove that from now on he needs to use a hand sign to Hiraishin (even though he did it later this same chapter with no hand signs, since he had one of his arms cut off.) then that's really presumptuous.
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Unless it shows that from now on it needs hand signs, it isn't true.
We have various situations from both the manga and anime showing Minato never using a single kata for it. And now the second he uses a hand sign once you jump on it and claim it needs signs. I do remember a very good showing of him using it without hand signs when he first fought Madara and rasengan'ed his ass into the ground.
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It is a one handed seal. Obviously he can perform the technique with only one hand, meaning that he can do it with either hand.
Additionally, remember how Itachi could supposedly perform various ninjutsu techniques without handsigns? That was later shown to not be entirely true, as it was his sheer speed that made it seem like that. Such seems to be the same for Minato, one of if not the fastest shinobi that ever lived (especially in terms of natural reflexes).
Even the 2nd Hokage used a handsign to perform hiriashin when he was first shown using it. The evidence is right before us folks. I had before suspicions of it, but now there is irrevocable proof that the flying thunder god not only uses a handseal to activate it, but requires it in order to use it.
Why, when Sasuke and Naruto were about to get vaporized, would Minato bother with a handseal if he could use the technique without it? After all, thought is faster than movement, so why would he risk the life of Naruto and Sasuke just for the hell of it?
Kishimoto has probably intended to reflect this since the Minato vs Obito fight during the 9-tails attack, as he was seen using a hand seal during one of his trade-offs with Obito. When you go slow-motion with the technique, you can see the usage of a handseal seems to be what Kishi is getting at. When you fast forward to regular time, the usage of one isn't noticed.
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It is a one handed seal. Obviously he can perform the technique with only one hand, meaning that he can do it with either hand.
Additionally, remember how Itachi could supposedly perform various ninjutsu techniques without handsigns? That was later shown to not be entirely true, as it was his sheer speed that made it seem like that. Such seems to be the same for Minato, one of if not the fastest shinobi that ever lived (especially in terms of natural reflexes).
Even the 2nd Hokage used a handsign to perform hiriashin when he was first shown using it. The evidence is right before us folks. I had before suspicions of it, but now there is irrevocable proof that the flying thunder god not only uses a handseal to activate it, but requires it in order to use it.
Why, when Sasuke and Naruto were about to get vaporized, would Minato bother with a handseal if he could use the technique without it? After all, thought is faster than movement, so why would he risk the life of Naruto and Sasuke just for the hell of it?
Kishimoto has probably intended to reflect this since the Minato vs Obito fight during the 9-tails attack, as he was seen using a hand seal during one of his trade-offs with Obito. When you go slow-motion with the technique, you can see the usage of a handseal seems to be what Kishi is getting at. When you fast forward to regular time, the usage of one isn't noticed.
He Hiraishined away the one time when A's punch was a centimeter from his face. If he can make Kata that fast he wouldn't need Hiraishin in the first place. And here is Tobirama using it with both hands on his sword
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/624/12
If your logic is every time Hiraishin has been used they just don't show the hand sign then there is no way to argue since that can't be proved. If it did require a hand sign and the movement is instantaneous he would then also always reappear still making a kata with one of his hands, which is also not the case.
Minato using it while holding Kushina with both hands and reappearing still holding her with both hands which you can see are not making kata.
http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/501/14
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I hope Naruto and Sasgay die.
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If you can make one kata as fast as it took A to cross that distance, then you would still need hiraishin in order to keep from getting punched, as A would have been able to notice any minor change in movement and could have adjusted himself to it.
Tobirama using it while holding both hands are on the sword is questionable evidence. All we are shown is him slashing and using the technique; we have no idea where the marker or chakra of his was located at in order for him to perform the flying thunder god technique in the first place.
While this next part is more theory than hard manga evidence, he could have formed the kata even still while holding the sword, using one hand to hold the sword and the other to make the kata. Then, when he warped, the other hand is put onto the sword and the user slashes in a single fluid movement that would be very much possible for a kenjutsu expert.
And the speed of making a one handed kata, and then moving it to another location of choice can be potentially quite high, especially in the case of Minato. While that is the best explanation that I can give for him holding Kushina with both hands, I still persist. Why suddenly does is he shown using handsigns whenever he uses the technique as of the recent two chapters in particular?
I find no evidence granted that convinces me otherwise that hiraishin does not, if not since introduction but since these latest chapters, require a handsign to perform.
Several examples of him using a hand seal in the latest two chapters:
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/639/5
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/639/15
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/639/16
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/639/17
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/640/3
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/640/4 [Him re-appearing after the previous example]
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/640/16 [This one is a bit ambigious imo, since it could go either way depending on how you look at it]
I think got all of the instances in which he used Hiraishin in the latest chapters, except for that second to last one where only his head was shown before it cut away to him charging and obito's internal struggle.
*edit: The bottom line is, at least in the majority of them, is very clearly seen using a handsign to activate the technique. If he had the option to use it without a handsign, then why wouldn't he use it?
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Your whole argument is questionable evidence. Maybe using a kata allows him to teleport more precisely, or maybe he needs to focus his chakra more to do it because of his infinite chakra Edo Tensei state or his Kyuubi Chakra Mode. I'd like to see evidence that shows that isn't exactly what he is doing. Until it is stated WHY he is making a kata now there is no call for us to do anything, no one here is an Edo Tensei 9 Tails Jinchuriki.
No where has it stated he HAS to make a kata, you are just assuming so. Since you are saying every other instance of Hiraishin where it clearly shows him not making kata is in fact him making kata and it just isn't bothered to be drawn or acknowledged in anyway there is no argument here. You are using what doesn't exist to support your argument and there is no way to confirm or deny that. The Kushina one shows him start to finish, not making kata. As I said before if the movment is instantaneous he would be making a kata when he appears. In the one with Kushina it shows him appearing, not dropping down like several others do and he is NOT, making a kata. I too question why he is doing it now but we won't know until we are told.
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That whole first paragraph is assumption and questionable backing. XP
Nowhere has it stated that he uses it without handseals either. I refuse to acknowledge anyone's usage of hiraishin without hand seals at this point, as to me, it is clear as day that it does require a hand seal. It has been presented that he uses hand seals with the jutsu that he has mastered (how much total chakra or what kind of chakra he has doesn't affect his usage of jutsu negatively, as there are no examples of well-controlled chakra having a negative impact on jutsu usage).
Nowhere has it stated that he doesn't have to make a kata, it has been the assumption based on the way it has been drawn through much of the series. We finally see the handsign associated and it is downgraded as what... a convenience? A plot device? A mistake in drawing?
Your argument is not any better than mine.
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That whole first paragraph is assumption and questionable backing. XP
Nowhere has it stated that he uses it without handseals either. I refuse to acknowledge anyone's usage of hiraishin without hand seals at this point, as to me, it is clear as day that it does require a hand seal. It has been presented that he uses hand seals with the jutsu that he has mastered (how much total chakra or what kind of chakra he has doesn't affect his usage of jutsu negatively, as there are no examples of well-controlled chakra having a negative impact on jutsu usage).
Nowhere has it stated that he doesn't have to make a kata, it has been the assumption based on the way it has been drawn through much of the series. We finally see the handsign associated and it is downgraded as what... a convenience? A plot device? A mistake in drawing?
Your argument is not any better than mine.
Yes my argument of showing you manga pages where he uses it without kata is in no way better then your argument where you apparently say they just never bothered to draw it before. In that case Sasuke is going to be revealed as a women, they just never bothered to draw the boobs before.
Camel please lock this topic or I'm going to freakin explode.
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I showed clear manga examples where he used a kata, just as much as you showed examples where it seemed he did not. Definitive as either of them are, my argument is no less valid than yours that hand seals are required to perform the technique, whether it be a new invention or an old missed point.
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I showed clear manga examples where he used a kata, just as much as you showed examples where it seemed he did not. Definitive as either of them are, my argument is no less valid than yours that hand seals are required to perform the technique, whether it be a new invention or an old missed point.
Yeah I know, I was there, I read the chapter. -_- I'm saying to wait for them to explain why he is doing kata now when he wasn't before instead of saying you're going to void people who use it without kata. Maybe we never will get an explanation but all we know right now is that it has been done with and without kata.
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No hand seals until explain why the change.
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No hand seals until explain why the change.
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Thank you.
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Meh, I disagree with the ruling, but what am I going to do, storm the gates of Kishi's palace and demand he make an explanation?
I still hold firm on my belief on the matter.
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No hand seals until explain why the change.
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Yeah, as if Kishi is going to explain that during the war plot. >.>
We MIGHT get an "explanation" in the next data-book though, whenever that will be.
However, this may be an example of retroactive continuity aka retcon, which is the alteration of previously established facts in the continuity of a fictional work. >.>
So in other words, Hiraishin no Jutsu MAY have been done without hand-seals in earlier chapters, but NOW has to perform a hand-seal to activate it.
This page is proof enough: http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/639/5
Thinking logically now:
Correct me if I am wrong but the only ninjutsu we have seen that does not require hand-seal(s) is rasengan, right? However even rasengan requires the focus/gathering of chakra in order to be performed.
In the case of Hiraishin no Jutsu, have you seen a jutsu that can be activated by a mere thought? Jutsu are performed via chakra, not thought. After all, it would be an equivalent of activating a ninja scroll by simply thinking about it. >.>
Now, it would make sense that Minato may have mastered the technique to the point that he may not need a hand-seal but you cant say that this technique can be performed without at least one hand-seal in the very beginning of its creation. That's highly unlikely.
But then again, here's another thought. If this can be performed without any hand-seals, why does Minato only has 1 kunai in hand? Has there been a page where he's holding two kunai, one in each hand while performing the technique? Mmmm.... >.>
I originally didnt care much about the Hiraishin no Jutsu because there are like (correct me if I am wrong) four "official" users of the technique and I only seen 1 person used it in an offensive matter instead of another shunshin option to use. I am just posting my thoughts on the matter.
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Or it might just as easily NOT be a retcon. There is no explanation for why h'es doing it. We might as well flip a coin to decide if we should change the rules on how it is used in rp. This topic should be locked honestly if people are going to go on about this. >> By the way there are many jutsu that don't use kata, every single variation of Chidori/Raikiri used by Kakashi and Sasuke in Shippuden come to mind.
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Or it might just as easily NOT be a retcon. There is no explanation for why h'es doing it. We might as well flip a coin to decide if we should change the rules on how it is used in rp. This topic should be locked honestly if people are going to go on about this. >> By the way there are many jutsu that don't use kata, every single variation of Chidori/Raikiri used by Kakashi and Sasuke in Shippuden come to mind.
Lol? This is when we first see Raikiri and Chidori. No surprised there shown with the use of hand-seals.
1. http://www.mangapanda.com/93-35-3/naruto/chapter-30.html
2. http://www.mangapanda.com/93-118-5/naruto/chapter-113.html
Shippuuden is almost a three year time-skip so of course Sasuke and Kakashi would have mastered the jutsu to the point where they wont need the use of hand-seals. All your post did was just proved my point. >.>
Also, I dont know why you request this thread to be locked so badly. We're having a discussion without cursing or name-calling. Are you afraid that more people will come in here and start agreeing with me?
Also, Naruto has experienced retcon before.
For example: Shukaku was first mentioned as a living spirit of a Suna priest originally sealed inside a tea kettle before it was mentioned as the one-tailed chakra beast.
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-102-9/naruto/chapter-97.html
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http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chidori_Current
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chidori_Senbon
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chidori_Sharp_Spear
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Orochimaru-Style_Body_Replacement_Technique
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Binding_Snake_Glare_Spell
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sword_of_Kusanagi:_Chidori_Katana
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kirin
Those are all jutsu that don't require kata and that is just from Sasuke. If we go from Sasuke I don't think Suigetsu or Jugo ever used a kata to do anything. There is no point in the discussion because we do not have any answers. We can stand here going "It's a retcon, it's not, it is, it's not." for a month but it doesn't matter till we are given more information. Like I mentioned before, how do we know use of a kata doesn't just allow him to teleport more precisely? We don't, we know nothing about it other then the fact that it happened.
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Anyone have any guesses as to what Madara's trump card is?
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http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chidori_Current
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chidori_Senbon
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Chidori_Sharp_Spear
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Orochimaru-Style_Body_Replacement_Technique
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Binding_Snake_Glare_Spell
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sword_of_Kusanagi:_Chidori_Katana
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Kirin
Those are all jutsu that don't require kata and that is just from Sasuke. If we go from Sasuke I don't think Suigetsu or Jugo ever used a kata to do anything. There is no point in the discussion because we do not have any answers. We can stand here going "It's a retcon, it's not, it is, it's not." for a month but it doesn't matter till we are given more information. Like I mentioned before, how do we know use of a kata doesn't just allow him to teleport more precisely? We don't, we know nothing about it other then the fact that it happened.
- All the chidori-related jutsus you listed are applications of Chidori, which I already mentioned prior so those examples dont even apply. >.>
- Orochimaru's Body Replacement is just a result of body experimentation. >.>
- Bind Snake Glare Spell is an application of the summoning technique where we have seen been used with hand-seals. Naturally over time it can be done by a simple slam of the hand (with blood of course) and we only see the aftermath of the jutsu where the focus wasnt on Sasuke so we dont know what he did prior to activation.
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-356-12/naruto/chapter-351.html
- Kirin: - A. The chidori argument once again: Clearly this is a jutsu we have seen AFTER Sasuke mastered it.
- B. Even if there wasnt any hand-seals to begin with, the jutsu still required hand movement. This goes back to the "you cant activate a jutsu by mere thought" argument.
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-396-8/naruto/chapter-391.html
However after further thought about Hiraishin no Jutsu, the jutsu itself may as well be voided. We have only seen KAGES use this technique. Not even the ELITE bodyguards of Konoha are able to perform it by themselves.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Hokage_Guard_Platoon
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/562/12
Think about that. These are elite bodyguards to the Hokage. These are not weak ninjas.
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-190-4/naruto/chapter-185.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-190-6/naruto/chapter-185.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-191-2/naruto/chapter-186.html
EDIT: The first link was to show you that it was 4v2, yet Sound Four still needed to go into CS2 to defeat them. >.>
In addition:
- Genma is known for taking part in difficult missions because of his skills.
- Raidō is known throughout Konoha as a prominent assassin.
Both facts supported by Naruto databooks.
These are testaments to their strength and the difficulty level in learning Hiraishin no Jutsu.
Minato is on another league of his own, granted he was the 4th Hokage.
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-372-11/naruto/chapter-367.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-163-5/naruto/chapter-158.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/541/8
So honestly, for those who are using the Hiraishin no Jutsu, can you HONESTLY compare your character to a man like Minato. Behind Madara and Hashirama, Minato is most likely the 3rd strongest shinobi in Naruto....
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Yes literally anyone could be as strong as Minato, correct me if I am wrong but almost all the people with Hiraishin on SL actually are Kage in rp. Madara/Hashirama level is common for full reset people. And Oro's techniques are able to be done because of experimentation but they still require the manipulation of chakra.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Soft_Physique_Modification
"The user dislocates their joints then controls their softened body with chakra, allowing them to stretch and twist any part of their body at any angle, elongating and even coiling around their opponent."
People put chaka in their feet without hand signs to walk on walls. Are you seriously arguing that everything requires hand signs? Gaara's sand shield comes to mind, he literally stands there un-moving and the sand protects him.
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Well I say to make Hiraishin required to use a single one-handed seal. It's a good way to lightly nerf it, while still making it a pretty powerful technique.
Think of it this way too: If someone is legitimately unable to move (either by the binding of their hands, arms, legs, feet, or even their complete dismemberment), all they would have to do is Hiraishin themselves away just by thinking or willing it. And then the whole point of even disabling them to that extent would become moot, since they would be whoever but them knows and would pull something out of their butt like saying "They had a Hiraishin marking at their local hospital" or "They had a Hiraishin seal that lead directly to their operating table in their medically-advanced secret lair."
Seriously guys, some of the things that have been done with it and can be done with it is just silly. Sometimes I think there should be a limit to the number of Hiraishin seals the user should be able to place. They should probably be mentioned or listed out somewhere in their bio.
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Well I say to make Hiraishin required to use a single one-handed seal. It's a good way to lightly nerf it, while still making it a pretty powerful technique.
Think of it this way too: If someone is legitimately unable to move (either by the binding of their hands, arms, legs, feet, or even their complete dismemberment), all they would have to do is Hiraishin themselves away just by thinking or willing it. And then the whole point of even disabling them to that extent would become moot, since they would be whoever but them knows and would pull something out of their butt like saying "They had a Hiraishin marking at their local hospital" or "They had a Hiraishin seal that lead directly to their operating table in their medically-advanced secret lair."
Seriously guys, some of the things that have been done with it and can be done with it is just silly. Sometimes I think there should be a limit to the number of Hiraishin seals the user should be able to place. They should probably be mentioned or listed out somewhere in their bio.
*Listens to the man literally claiming to be Izanagi reborn as a man talk about limits that need to be placed*
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m78nk3UbaX1qmmdsqo1_500.jpg)
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Yes literally anyone could be as strong as Minato, correct me if I am wrong but almost all the people with Hiraishin on SL actually are Kage in rp. Madara/Hashirama level is common for full reset people. And Oro's techniques are able to be done because of experimentation but they still require the manipulation of chakra.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Soft_Physique_Modification
People put chaka in their feet without hand signs to walk on walls. Are you seriously arguing that everything requires hand signs? Gaara's sand shield comes to mind, he literally stands there un-moving and the sand protects him.
Okay...but I am talking in the realm of normal human beings, not those with experimented bodies. >.>
I dont know the current Kage list or the official users of Hiraishin no Jutsu so I cant comment on that.
Tree-Climbing: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-23-6/naruto/chapter-18.html
Water-walking: http://www.mangapanda.com/93-96-10/naruto/chapter-91.html
My point, which I have been saying in all my posts thus far, is that ninjutsu requires hand-seals and that people who have mastered the technique may require only 1 or no hand-seal to perform it, such as summoning tech, some basic (general skill) C, D, E jutsus, etc.
Well I say to make Hiraishin required to use a single one-handed seal. It's a good way to lightly nerf it, while still making it a pretty powerful technique...
Exactly. What is a single one-handed seal to you? We have used a single one-handed seal for simple things in the past, so what would be the problem if we decided to implement it on the usage of Hiraishin no jutsu?
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For one I think people that don't have Hiraishin and never will are going to not really care about it getting nerfed and will probably just nerf it if they could on the off chance they ever have to fight it. For the last time, how hard is this? There is no evidence as to why he is using kata now. My example is that I am saying when he uses a kata he can teleport more precisely. That has exactly as much evidence as you guys claiming it is a ret-con and now always requires kata (no evidence at all, if you haven't been keeping up).
I like how I just solidly proved you wrong and you ignored it. What does that guy being changed so he can dislocate all his bones have to do with his ability to do jutsu? If you want an example of things you can just will to happen I can't think of a better example than Raiton no Yoroi... and anything doujutsu based... and the 8 Gates... and the Shikotsumyaku.
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For one I think people that don't have Hiraishin and never will are going to not really care about it getting nerfed and will probably just nerf it if they could on the off chance they ever have to fight it. For the last time, how hard is this? There is no evidence as to why he is using kata now. My example is that I am saying when he uses a kata he can teleport more precisely. That has exactly as much evidence as you guys claiming it is a ret-con and now always requires kata (no evidence at all, if you haven't been keeping up).
I like how I just solidly proved you wrong and you ignored it. What does that guy being changed so he can dislocate all his bones have to do with his ability to do jutsu? If you want an example of things you can just will to happen I can't think of a better example than Raiton no Yoroi... and anything doujutsu based... and the 8 Gates... and the Shikotsumyaku.
Proved me wrong in what? I can simply use the same argument that once again I have been mentioning in ALL posts which you seem to be ignoring thus far so I'll say it one more time but maybe I'll put it in bold so you can see it better...
My point is that ninjutsu requires hand-seal(s) and that people who have mastered the technique may require only 1 or no hand-seal to perform it.
Please stop making me repeat myself....
Doujutsu isnt ninjutsu but I'm sure there are pages that shown Itachi and Katashi using a hand-seal to activate their MS techniques. 8 gates? Would anyone consider that a ninjutsu? Because personally I would not call it such. Shikotsumyaku? Okay but how about Haku's Demonic Mirrors that required hand-seals. For all your "examples", I can apply back to my original point which was the text in bold above. But I like how you're mentioning all those advanced/unique ninjutsus instead of the normal ones with the exception of Raiton no Yoroi. >.>
"Ninjutsu, most of the time, relies on chakra and hand seals to be effective. The hands are put in sequential positions that moulds and manipulates chakra in the necessary manner to perform a technique. This is not always needed, however, and some techniques become second nature to experienced ninja, after which they can perform them at will."
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Ninjutsu
Here's an Intro to Jutsu.
http://leafninja.com/jutsu.php
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Oh ok so every instance of someone doing a ninjutsu technique without hand signs means they are a master of those jutsu. Temari during the Chunin Exams is a Fuuton Master because she can just swing her fan and make wind jutsu.
How are Doujutsu techniques not ninjutsu?
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Amaterasu
That's classified as a Doujutsu based Ninjutsu. Oh and even if Kakashi and Itachi did use hand seals before they don't now, so by your logic that is a retcon and doujutsu based ninjutsu dont require kata now. By the same logic being used for Hiraishin I say Chidori and Raikiri have been retconned and no longer require kata to use. If Minato using Hiraishin with kata negates his usage without it then I say Kakashi and Sasuke using Chidori without kata negate them ever doing it with kata.
This argument is over though, your logic is flawless, every single instance of kataless ninjutsu can be explained away by saying they are a master and anything from Doujutsu to Kinjutsu, to Body Alteration don't count as Ninjutsu according to you. Congratulations, you are the Master Debater.
This was just the dumbest thing.
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What's the point of this? This thread is for discussing the chapter, not changes to the way techniques will work on SL.
If you really want to discuss the Flying Thunder God technique then start up a new thread about it and get some discussion going there.
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Well it isn't like anyone was trying to discuss anything else here.
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The changes to the technique do have something to do with the chapter after all... :-?
Ninjutsu has different requirements depending on... well, the technique. Dojutsu-spurred ones have a certain dependency on the eye, so if the eye were paralyzed or unable to perform its function, then the dojutsu-reliant ninjutsu would be unable to be used.
Raiton no Yoroi can only be set on the foot by the same 'reflex' motion that causes ordinary, real people to react to stuff, except they don't get surrounded in electricity and start dashing around at incredible speeds.
Mastery of the technique sets the tone; Minato can use Rasengan with one hand, Naruto needs(ed) a clone to shape it to make up for his lack of chakra control early in the series. Minato can perform hiraishin with relatively simple movements, while the bodyguards had to form a formation in order to use it.
The chapter itself is linked to this post in the fact that the chapter itself has brought upon the discussion.
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We should just wait to find out more info!
I'm sure this stuff will come out later, considering I think hiraishin might get the same treatment as Edo soon, maybe.
Anyway, as Sabu said to try and redirect things, I wonder what Madara's got up his sleeve?
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He's got the Sage of Six Paths kill technique:
Rinnegan: Mind Aging Technique!
Or, (a little more realistically) some jutsu that fuses himself and Hashi, allowing their combined might to take down Obito.
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Or he could just Human Path Obito.
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Since it was Madara that revived Obito, he probably built-in a trigger that will allow complete control of Obito. >.>
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Since it was Madara that revived Obito, he probably built-in a trigger that will allow complete control of Obito. >.>
Even though Obito just resisted his control to make him use Samsara on Madara.
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Since it was Madara that revived Obito, he probably built-in a trigger that will allow complete control of Obito. >.>
Madara has been there and done that, or at least attempted it. At this point, I am certain he intends on just fighting Hashi and letting everyone else do the work. xD
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Madara is probably just gonna do this to Obito (man I love the fanon wiki)
http://narutofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Eye_Murder_Technique
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Well it isn't like anyone was trying to discuss anything else here.
:(
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Madara is probably just gonna do this to Obito (man I love the fanon wiki)
http://narutofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Eye_Murder_Technique
... sounds legit