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Game Development => Discussions => Topic started by: Gyu~ru~ru on August 22, 2006, 01:12:53 PM
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Ever thought about solving the massive HP problem by placing a HP limit based on dragon kills? A Chuunin getting pwned by an acedemy student with massive HP is just way too wicked. It's like having Shikamaru getting pwned by Konohamaru > <
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:good: :smt023I totaly 100% agree
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the vampire does this job.
because... if you gain hp over the limit you would simply lose them after a dk ;)
this is the limit ^^
I can't reprogram any module that gives out HP, so these are only temporary...
and so does the vampire. well, we can reset all HP if you like to...but that won't be that funny.
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Awww....can't make it like academy student (cannot increase maxHP), Genin with 1 DK (maxHP = 160), Genin with 2 DK (maxHP = 170) etc?
Don't do the reset. People that used to have massive HP will come and haunt me >.<
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Awww....can't make it like academy student (cannot increase maxHP), Genin with 1 DK (maxHP = 160), Genin with 2 DK (maxHP = 170) etc?
that's a good idea...but i am not sure, because it may be a lot of trouble
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Awww....can't make it like academy student (cannot increase maxHP), Genin with 1 DK (maxHP = 160), Genin with 2 DK (maxHP = 170) etc?
that's a good idea...but i am not sure, because it may be a lot of trouble
Yea, it will be >.>
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i think itll all be fine, a/s could never beat a chuunin, cause if they use 4 dks on strngh and defence then the a/s would die
i think the hp is fine cause if your dumb enough to atack somebody that has over 50 dks (or on a smaller scale 10-20) then it should be there fault and death is a good punisment for them. i dont think its all that fair for people to be wanting a reset just cause some are luckier then others and get hp or knoow where to go to get hp..
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i think itll all be fine, a/s could never beat a chuunin, cause if they use 4 dks on strngh and defence then the a/s would die
Correction. I was a second rank Jounin and I defeated a second to last (grey) rank ANBU Captain. Twice.
But the limiter of the max HP amount for each rank doesn't sound bad at all.
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well maybe that was a bad example..
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So that means I could have a max hp of 670 without nibbling on my own neck? I like that idea...
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Numbers, I find, are still a little bit unbalanced with Gyu's plan.
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How much HP do you have right now Blaluski? :shock:
The idea is okay. But i like the extra max hp i have. >_> Either that or i stick with other ways to get more hp...
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I like the max hp limiter per level, but leave in the vampire. That way leveling up can mean more, but you still have the danger of having *too much* hp...We wouldn't want the game to be *too* fair. :twisted:
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HP limiter or not, A/S will still attack higher players and die...Besides...If you were to do an HP limiter or reset...Well then to what point would there be a toughness ranking eh?
besides...my 15 attack point at level 1 would easily take out anyone who attacked me.. :) no matter how much hp i had or didn't have
cept maybe baluski...but i'll get him :twisted:
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HP limiter or not, A/S will still attack higher players and die...Besides...If you were to do an HP limiter or reset...Well then to what point would there be a toughness ranking eh?
besides...my 15 attack point at level 1 would easily take out anyone who attacked me.. :) no matter how much hp i had or didn't have
cept maybe baluski...but i'll get him :twisted:
Against my 21 attack and 23 defense at level 1 with no weapons? Best of luck to you.
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Ok, your really trying to force me to leave this game aren't you? The Vampire taking HP no matter what is BS, I worked hard for that HP and your going to take it away from me? I'm a freaking Hokage, don't I have a right to be strong? Why are you trying to turn me into a freaking Academy Student?
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We could always do a hp reset, which would put everyone in the same boat. ^^
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Ok, your really trying to force me to leave this game aren't you? The Vampire taking HP no matter what is BS, I worked hard for that HP and your going to take it away from me? I'm a freaking Hokage, don't I have a right to be strong? Why are you trying to turn me into a freaking Academy Student?
Basically we can have around 434 max hp without the vampire touching us.
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434, then give me back some of my Dragon Kill points. I'd like to reinvest them if your gonna do that to me...
One thing though, kiss me when your done.
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Ok, your really trying to force me to leave this game aren't you? The Vampire taking HP no matter what is BS, I worked hard for that HP and your going to take it away from me? I'm a freaking Hokage, don't I have a right to be strong? Why are you trying to turn me into a freaking Academy Student?
I do not.
Caculate your hitpoints, do you have that much more? Only if you invested 500 gems in hp
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I would NEVER invest 500 Gems into my HP... that's way too much! More like 250 gems.
And you should of known people would of exploited that Neji, the moment they noticed it. Your trying to fix the Mystie Sweet Shop as well, and really killing us on the Apple Shop...
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yes, I thought I configured it differently...
I am not killing you, I am making gems even more valuable than 100 goldpieces... you got 1-5 gems with a probablity of not less than 33% ... tell me if this is balanced...
so I fixed up Mystie.
Also for the Appleshop... way too cheap.
You'd be glad you received all those gems from there... now it will be harder for all players...
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i dont really like this bout as someone sed to me today when we talk
"think of it this way, if the game was always like this you wouldnt care...if mysties never gave out gems you wouldnt ccare, is the apple shop always had been 1130 then you wouldnt care" not exaxtly as he sed, but you get it.
whats done is done, stop complaining about it its not going to change >.<
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i wouldn't mind a hp reset :twisted: if we got gems for it.
i'm sorry this is off topic.
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so NOW everyone wants a hp reset.... :twisted:
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so NOW everyone wants a hp reset.... :twisted:
I would rather have an HP reset and get some gems back than have the vampire eat my HP and get almost nothing back ^.^
I'm ok with either way though. The vampire is just another bump in the road.
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how do we know what's our hp limit?
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1) reset HP
2) take away vampire
3) remove any event that give out massive amount of HP with 100% chance
4) DK HP stays pemanent (not removable by events)
5) apply HP limiter
6) restore mystie (except this time, only the expensive item give out gems)
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1) reset HP
2) take away vampire
3) remove any event that give out massive amount of HP with 100% chance
4) DK HP stays pemanent (not removable by events)
5) apply HP limiter
6) restore mystie (except this time, only the expensive item give out gems)
1) no big deal
2) no
3) there is none.
4) they *can* get below your dk points. I can't control it in every mod that subtracts 1hp
5) that means all points will be reset after every dk to the maximum you can have... all other hitpoints you have gained are lost.(I prefer the vampire... he gives you at least exp...)
6) no, he was really really bad... it is good as is. you can earn your gems in forest events ;) which is supposed to be.
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so NOW everyone wants a hp reset.... :twisted:
I would rather have an HP reset and get some gems back than have the vampire eat my HP and get almost nothing back ^.^
I'm ok with either way though. The vampire is just another bump in the road.
i agree, i mean 1500 or whatever exp is not worth 15 hp.. i would much rather get my gems back.
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3) there is one, the ninja merchant (20 HP is alot)
6) Getting nothing while being called fat was evil (at least give me turns, hp or something)
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I agree...it seems kind of mean to call us all fat.
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wouldn't being fat be good in a way...........cuss Chouji had that ultimate Str
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Chouji...*recalls the Dosu vs. Chouji fight*...wasn't that great.
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I kind of finding it offending... I guess.. I mean.. I'm not fat.. ._.;
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wouldn't being fat be good in a way...........cuss Chouji had that ultimate Str
Chouji: "I have BIG bones! Not FAT!"
I kind of finding it offending... I guess.. I mean.. I'm not fat.. ._.;
Yea! Girls don't like being called fat especially when we are not!
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`guessing how lebis is always on,then shes fat same with gyuuru,Hey!i am Outtashape
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i gain 7 pounds
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`guessing how lebis is always on,then shes fat same with gyuuru,Hey!i am Outtashape
For your infomation, I don't eat much (two meals a day) & I go to the gym everyday.
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lol?An Asian girl being big bone?LOL!tell urself that,i really give it a care
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lol?An Asian girl being big bone?LOL!tell urself that,i really give it a care
When did I said I have big bone? Can't you read?
wouldn't being fat be good in a way...........cuss Chouji had that ultimate Str
Chouji: "I have BIG bones! Not FAT!"
I was posting what Choji would say when someone calls him fat >.>
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I like round girls,u need some meat in those booty*wink Wink*
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I like round girls,u need some meat in those booty*wink Wink*
*Looks down at her chest* I envy european girls TT_TT
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azn girls are still hott,very smart and witty too* wink wink*
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Thank you, now back to topic >.>
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`guessing how lebis is always on,then shes fat same with gyuuru,Hey!i am Outtashape
For your god damn information, I don't even eat. I eat once a day, thank you, and that's lunch. I suggest you watch your mouth around me. I'm not in a good mood, nor do I find you the least bit funny! Ever think that I could just keep my programs running? No, obviously you haven't! You've never seen me, nor do I ever want you to. Okay. Did we set that straight? Good!
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*cough* it says you *feel fat* ;) please tell me one girl to never have experienced this feeling after a bunch of candy or a big meal ;)
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I feel fat after eating a granola bar. Does that count? ._.
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actually neji you taught me how it feels. it was so hurtfull :smt089
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Back to the Topic,
Why not just make a HP limiter that stop players from gaining any pemanent HP once they reached the limit & add it to the server regardless of how much time/gems or whatever whom/who spent getting their HP to the numbers they are now and No Refunds.
example: Acedamy student with 300/300 HP will login on a new day with 300/150 HP, that's it!
But, please restore all the shop to their original settings. And as for the vampire, remove the "flee" option & just make it suck away 5 pemanent HP from anyone who encounters it, unless the person doesn't have any extra HP.
That I feel is enough compensation for their loses. Unless they rather live in the current chaotic hell that Neji has created >.>
P/S: Please excuse me if I've offended anyone. I'm currently drunk on milk =p
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No chaotic hell.
but, we talk about a full reset of hp -> gems now, then the vampire won't be an issue.
no, I won't restore mysties, it was a gem vault, you went in 3 times a day and went out with gems likely... if I wanted to buff you up, I'd give you 50 turns / day...
The hp limiter and the vampire work almost the same way... except that you get no refunds and your hp are reset each DK. well... nobody logs in with 300/150 ... only 150/150...
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Can't you make a HP limiter like in other games? maxHP 999/999 or 9999/9999 that we see in most RPGs? But make this limiter increases the amount you can have after every DK, maxHP 150/150 --> 160/160 ---> 170/170 and so on?
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No, it won't fit to the concept ... I can't control where hp are added.
As I described above what I can do.
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well can you regulate it to only take hp over a certain limit. he shouldnt take hp if you have only 11 hp over normal.
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well can you regulate it to only take hp over a certain limit. he shouldnt take hp if you have only 11 hp over normal.
<-- if you are academy student, he will.
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well can you regulate it to only take hp over a certain limit. he shouldnt take hp if you have only 11 hp over normal.
<-- if you are academy student, he will.
Are you saying that he wouldn't that those away from my Hunter Nin?
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i was a genin and he did it why not? :evil:
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i was a genin and he did it why not? :evil:
hunter nin can have much more HP than a genin.... I think it is obvious why...
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he got me wen i was a genin. but you already fixed it so it doesnt matter to me.
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so NOW everyone wants a hp reset.... :twisted:
I would rather have an HP reset and get some gems back than have the vampire eat my HP and get almost nothing back ^.^
I'm ok with either way though. The vampire is just another bump in the road.
i agree, i mean 1500 or whatever exp is not worth 15 hp.. i would much rather get my gems back.
make it 15000 exp gain, hp x 1000 :twisted:
that would make it less painful
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so NOW everyone wants a hp reset.... :twisted:
I would rather have an HP reset and get some gems back than have the vampire eat my HP and get almost nothing back ^.^
I'm ok with either way though. The vampire is just another bump in the road.
i agree, i mean 1500 or whatever exp is not worth 15 hp.. i would much rather get my gems back.
make it 15000 exp gaines hpx 1000 :twisted:
that would make it less painful
:o
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I know one thing, we're getting screwed big time. I have NEVER ran into a Academy Student with more HP then they should have, while my Hokage is getting reamed by the Vampire. 5 HP, give me a reward that is permanent if I'm going lose PERMANENT HP. Mystie is screwed beyond belief even with the new changes, you broke something more then fixed it. You should of reduced the chances of getting Gems and the amount of Gems instead of just poking us in the eye. The Appleshop... 1400 Gold for 1 turn? I can go to Crazy Audrey and get 5 turns for just 5 Gold with any luck. But that's 5 Gold for at least 1 turn instead of paying 1400 Gold for 1 turn.
Reset the HP, you lose a Mod and a Hokage.
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I know one thing, we're getting screwed big time. I have NEVER ran into a Academy Student with more HP then they should have, while my Hokage is getting reamed by the Vampire. 5 HP, give me a reward that is permanent if I'm going lose PERMANENT HP. Mystie is screwed beyond belief even with the new changes, you broke something more then fixed it. You should of reduced the chances of getting Gems and the amount of Gems instead of just poking us in the eye. The Appleshop... 1400 Gold for 1 turn? I can go to Crazy Audrey and get 5 turns for just 5 Gold with any luck. But that's 5 Gold for at least 1 turn instead of paying 1400 Gold for 1 turn.
Reset the HP, you lose a Mod and a Hokage.
Threats won't work.
Yes, you never did run into such an academy student. Won't ever be, because you play too long.
But if you keep going to mysties, you are stuffed... and if you constantly put them into HP, others invest in a mount, well...
what I say is that is was WAY too easy to get gems.
don't misunderstand me. I will offer other ways of getting gems. yet putting money on the table and getting such a reward is insane.
crazy audrey does *only* do turns... not gems or perm hp...
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Threats? Whose threatening anyone? I'm just stating a fact about how I feel.
Yeah Audrey Only does Turns, so what? All I'm saying is keep it the same prices and such but make the chances of getting HP and Gems lowered, don't take away other treats from us, just make the better ones difficult to get.
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Again people complaining about an HP reset. Just because some of you have less HP then others doesn't mean you should continue to torture the older members who pretty much got this game started and kept it going. I'm getting tired of listening to everyone whine and moan, it's redundant.
As for Mysties, the way it is currently seems a bit flawed. I understand that getting 5 gems for 100 gold was completely unbalanced and with this I agree. It should of been a max of 1 gem or 1 turn for the skittles/chocolate bars, 2 gems or 2 turns for the soda pop, ect. This "feel fat" seems like kind of a cop out and happens all to often, at least turn the percentage of getting that down.
The apple shop is fine in my opinion, as I told someone else, if the price was always that high then everyone wouldn't care and be happy with it. Think about it, 4 charm, 3 gems, or 3 turns for 90-300 gold? Why not just hand out mounts for free then. The price is fair and balanced now, get used to it and stop complaining about such minor details.
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Mysties is screwed and can go to hell...I just spent 800 gold for sundaes...and got nothing...not a damn thing... THAT IS WRONG :evil: :evil: :evil:
And an HP reset?...Man why is it when this was first brought up, everyone who has posted here was against the idea originally...and now you all turn around saying that it's a good idea?...RIGHHHHHTTTTT
If you do an HP reset(AND I HIGHLY DISLIKE THE IDEA) you should also do a few other things...
A: Take permanent HP and give something else Permanent in return(Gems, houses, perm attack points, etc.) :cool:
B: Find a new mod because DeadInside seems to be on the verge of leaving if this happens.. :shock:
C: Elevate all those who have the title and rank of Hokage to god status...because if you do the HP reset..there won't be a damn player who can kill them... :evil: :evil: :evil:
D: Slap the Vampire in the forest...Which by the way...For those of you who keep losing more than 5 HP to that vampire...QUIT RUNNING AWAY!!!!
On the note of the vampire...I've met the vampire lord in the forest more than 6 times now...and I've only lost 5 HP....out of all 6 times...It's easy...DON'T RUN AWAY!!! :-x :-x :-x :-x
Jeez...
Anyway Mysties can burn, the vampire lord can get a tan, this HP reset can die a horrible death, and I can keep my HP and take down a Hokage(right....maybe not a hokage but for sure a Sannin)
My one non-complaint is Sichaes...I don't mind Sichaes...Sure the price hike was a bit unexpected...but it's not bad...I'm willing to pay 1500 for a single, small apple that mainly gives me a little charm boost... :evil:
Anyway....If you haven't guessed..I dislike the idea of an HP reset GREATLY...If this comes to pass, I will slay each and every one of you excluding Neji and Baluski(Because Neji has it where I can't kill him :evil:, and Baluski is to strong at the moment :cool:)...but as for the rest of you..I'll do it before I lose my HP....Don't think I can't either... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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a) you don't need to run, the vampire will also suck if you stay. I fixed that.
b) no, not 3 gems for a soda pop, ridiculous. there is a blocker in it that once you have something good it will give you a "sugar hype" which takes 2-4 game days to go away. so long no gems or turns.
c) the apple shop is still too good. and I dislike the idea of changing gold at will into gems/turns at a minor random rate.
You should NOT get MANY gems by visiting a shop every day and get 1-2 gems almost each day.
You should earn them, and I have now options to give them out again in the forest, which I stopped before.
Also, new items you can sell will be added. So you indeed can *earn* your gems.
There are enough turns in there, believe me, I did not make 3 gamedays to push out tons of turns in modules... this was my fault, I should have seen it earlier.
Also, in the item system there were gold pieces created you can sell, and those might not go away after a oro kill.
so, please clam down
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a) you don't need to run, the vampire will also suck if you stay. I fixed that.
b) no, not 3 gems for a soda pop, ridiculous. there is a blocker in it that once you have something good it will give you a "sugar hype" which takes 2-4 game days to go away. so long no gems or turns.
c) the apple shop is still too good. and I dislike the idea of changing gold at will into gems/turns at a minor random rate.
You should NOT get MANY gems by visiting a shop every day and get 1-2 gems almost each day.
You should earn them, and I have now options to give them out again in the forest, which I stopped before.
Also, new items you can sell will be added. So you indeed can *earn* your gems.
There are enough turns in there, believe me, I did not make 3 gamedays to push out tons of turns in modules... this was my fault, I should have seen it earlier.
Also, in the item system there were gold pieces created you can sell, and those might not go away after a oro kill.
so, please clam down
90% of my complaints go to the HP reset...I don't care at all about Sichaes, I'll still buy from her, Mysties doesn't need to call me fat though after I pay 800 gold...for 800 gold it would be nice to get +1 charm...
The Vampire lord comment is for those who keep complaining about meeting him in the forest and losing 20+ HP everytime...There is a way to avoid it...
*takes deep breaths and relaxes*
I'm going to play CS.. -_-
but anyway...my replies to...
a) I am aware he sucks HP no matter what...but he sucks more if you run than if you stay...My advice is DON'T RUN...as I know most of you have probably been doing
b) I don't mind not getting 3 gems for soda pop...but If i'm going to pay 800 gold for 2 sundaes i would at least like something other than getting called fat twice in a row.. otherwise the money isn't worth it..I could pay off my debt in the bank instead..
c) I have no complaints about Sichaes..Fine by me
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a) I am aware he sucks HP no matter what...but he sucks more if you run than if you stay...My advice is DON'T RUN...as I know most of you have probably been doing
That was changed, the vampire will steal more then 5 hp no matter what option you choose. Sacrificing 5 hp was a loop hole that has been fixed now. Fear the vampire.
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Vampire Lord Baluski is the HP limiter. Everyone got that? Good!
End of discussion, topic locked.