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Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: Hitler-Chan on August 12, 2015, 06:52:56 PM
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So, as you all know of my ambitions, to have a fair shot at the Sanbi, an endeavor I have taken on since I was stripped nearly a year and a half ago.
When I returned from a short Hiatus, I challenged Isa under the pretenses described here:
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8466.75.html
(Between pages 5-6)
Now, if you have taken the time to read through, you will know he declined for reasons that were later found to be false, validating my challenge.
Shortly there-after I stripped him, the Sanbi went to Kiri, they sealed it, I waited the two weeks. Cool.
So my question is to you all, being as my challenge didn’t just disappear after Isa just up and declined, it was still on the table, even after he was stripped; Would Eiko have to prioritize my challenge above her other challenger due to the reasons described above.
TL;DR: Isa declined challenge, wrongfully. I stripped him. Should Eiko have to fight me before all others due to the above.
---Original Message from Kaguya Eiko(2015-08-12 03:26:42)---
You didn't ask me right after my grace period ended, he did. I don't see what's the issue right now with it. I'm pretty sure we don't accept challenges during one's grace period.
I have nothing against you at all, I think you're the one taking this personally.
---Original Message from 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō(2015-08-12 03:14:26)---
No, technically I did, but you declined it, and then accepted his, even before your Grace period was up.”
So if that is the case, Go ahead and read what is next.
---Original Message from Deathstroke(2015-08-12 01:46:13)---
Before she was viable to be challenged I know, she counted it anyway. I know you were not on as I always recognize your name on the list due to the similar color scheme. I asked her for no reason if she had any other challengers at the time and she said no. So I would assume it was before you leveled yours.
---Original Message from 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō(2015-08-12 01:43:58)---
I am trying to be as friendly as possible when I say this, cause I am a pit peeved at them xD When did you send that challenge? Do you remember the time?
---Original Message from Deathstroke(2015-08-12 01:43:12)---
Yes I did.
---Original Message from 預言者, Uzumaki Yūjō(2015-08-12 01:42:07)---
You challenged Eiko?”
If this isn’t obvious proof of prejudice in what challenges she accepted under her grace period, then I surely don’t know what to tell you. SO even if you don’t agree with the fact that she should have to take on my challenge to isa, then the proof is here of that she accepted his challenge before the grace period was over, but declined my own.
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Dude, you'd do the same thing xD
"Man, I don't want to fight the super duper extremely stupid strong dude, so instead I'ma take the dude fighting with a DC character." << Sure, this is showing that she may prefer to have fought Deathstroke first, but no rules were broken xD
When a Beast is lost, changes host, stripped, any challenges/challengers have to place their challenge again o.o It happened when I got both the Six and Five Tails and countless other times over the years.
And a Bijuu host doesn't need to accept a challenge until after their grace period BUT they can if they want to. Meaning, you could challenge me twenty times during my grace period and I could say no each time and then a random acad comes and challenges me and I say sure, toss him on my list, and now he's my first fight once my grace period is up. Sure, it may sound sucky, but that is how it works.
That's exactly this situation. You asked, she said no, and then Deathstroke asked, and then she said yes.
She hasn't broken any rules, or done anything to even be put on a 'Three Tails Trial' xD Sure, you could say she played favorites, but she played favorites without breaking a single rule >>
So, yeah <<
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It was not even a matter of playing favorites. I don't even know the other guy. I'm only being fair in this regard, because it's a first come first serve AFTER the grace period. If you ask me during my peace and quiet then of course I'm not going to reply because, to me, it's not fair to accept a challenge beforehand when people are waiting till my grace period ends. I thought we resolved the issue but apparently not if you're posting this.
Thank you Athos, though, for seeing my point. I don't see the issue with this. This is fair.
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Exactly what Athos said. >.>
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Dude, you'd do the same thing xD
"Man, I don't want to fight the super duper extremely stupid strong dude, so instead I'ma take the dude fighting with a DC character." << Sure, this is showing that she may prefer to have fought Deathstroke first, but no rules were broken xD
When a Beast is lost, changes host, stripped, any challenges/challengers have to place their challenge again o.o It happened when I got both the Six and Five Tails and countless other times over the years.
And a Bijuu host doesn't need to accept a challenge until after their grace period BUT they can if they want to. Meaning, you could challenge me twenty times during my grace period and I could say no each time and then a random acad comes and challenges me and I say sure, toss him on my list, and now he's my first fight once my grace period is up. Sure, it may sound sucky, but that is how it works.
That's exactly this situation. You asked, she said no, and then Deathstroke asked, and then she said yes.
She hasn't broken any rules, or done anything to even be put on a 'Three Tails Trial' xD Sure, you could say she played favorites, but she played favorites without breaking a single rule >>
So, yeah <<
+1
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Ignoring the grace period seems to be a reoccurring theme...as I recall.
And...to my knowledge, a host gets 3 refusals anyway? Even not counting the grace period? What's the problem here? Are you on the challenge list now? Wait your turn. Eiko is a good rper and fighter, so it should be worth it.
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I'm sleepy so you get sleepy writing.
He challenges Isa and waits weeks.
Isa goes inactive. So he strips him which takes weeks.
Waits for the sealing and such for a week or two.
Then you go up and accept Deathstroke first. And your argument that it was first come first serve seems to be blown out of the water by this from Deathstroke "Before she was viable to be challenged I know, she counted it anyway. "
Before she was viable to be challenged. Unless that is being misinterpreted. (unlikely) but it can happen is that he challenged you before your grace was up and you still accepted it.
So either you're being unfair here or it's misinterpreted somehow.
The fair route would be to give Yujo the first challenge since you know he waited longer than a month in total. But until things are cleared up more I don't know.
But no rules were broken. Just calling out this 'fairness' you so call it.
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It was not even a matter of playing favorites. I don't even know the other guy. I'm only being fair in this regard, because it's a first come first serve AFTER the grace period. If you ask me during my peace and quiet then of course I'm not going to reply because, to me, it's not fair to accept a challenge beforehand when people are waiting till my grace period ends. I thought we resolved the issue but apparently not if you're posting this.
Thank you Athos, though, for seeing my point. I don't see the issue with this. This is fair.
The entirety of what you said has been contradicted with the Pm's I pasted above,
"---Original Message from Deathstroke(2015-08-12 01:46:13)---
Before she was viable to be challenged I know, she counted it anyway. I know you were not on as I always recognize your name on the list due to the similar color scheme. I asked her for no reason if she had any other challengers at the time and she said no. So I would assume it was before you leveled yours."
He challenged you before the grace period was up, and you accepted it, the Proof is in the pudding. If it was about fairness, and he actually waited till the grace period was over, and then sent you a challenge, that'd be cool but the fact of the matter is. I sent you a challenge before the grace period was over, you ignored it, he sent you one before the grace period was over, you accepted.
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No rules were broken here.
Grace period is up to the host. I recall Athos' first death to Bocc occurring in a situation where he refused to wait the 2 weeks after sealing to accept his challenge. The host, in that occasion, declined to exert his rights.
Refusals of challengers is also up to the host. x 3
Sounds fair enough seeing as we do not have a challenger list inheritance rule. That idea was kind of shot down, wasn't it?
Perhaps the time to have gotten 'dibs' agreed upon was during the Isa removal process? Who knows. So far we have as yet to come up with something that accommodates everyone in every situation. So here we are.
In the end, no rules were broken.
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Strange how Kiri is yet again in the spotlight for doing shady things with their biju so they don't lose them. Is anyone else noticing a trend?
Considering Yujo has been on the front lines when it comes to everything Sanbi, he has obviously been putting in months worth of real time work into getting just a sliver of a chance to fight for the beast.
Honestly just fight the guy already, Jesus Christ. It's so much easier than doing this dance over and over. Honestly I am going to have an anurism from this stupid shit.
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I'm sleepy so you get sleepy writing.
He challenges Isa and waits weeks.
Isa goes inactive. So he strips him which takes weeks.
Waits for the sealing and such for a week or two.
Then you go up and accept Deathstroke first. And your argument that it was first come first serve seems to be blown out of the water by this from Deathstroke "Before she was viable to be challenged I know, she counted it anyway. "
Before she was viable to be challenged. Unless that is being misinterpreted. (unlikely) but it can happen is that he challenged you before your grace was up and you still accepted it.
So either you're being unfair here or it's misinterpreted somehow.
The fair route would be to give Yujo the first challenge since you know he waited longer than a month in total. But until things are cleared up more I don't know.
But no rules were broken. Just calling out this 'fairness' you so call it.
Isa goes inactive, gets stripped, all the challenges that he had were null and void. As that is what happens when Bijuu switch hosts.
If Yujo sent any challenges to Xia while they were sealing the beast, they would be void.
And any challenges sent to Eiko in the time of her week, by choice, can be void.
As an Example;
I get the Ten Tails but Shadow, you called dibs on a fight as friends while I was in the middle of the fight for the beast. When I get that beast, I can DECIDE to put you first or not.
Now let's say I put you there, because let's be honest, I love you. A day later, I still basically have two weeks of my grace left, Kayenta and Yujo challenge me. I'm still in my grace, so I can tell them both to try again when my grace is up. Hell, I can even place Kayenta as my second fight and tell Yujo to try again just because I KNOW he's been trying to get the Ten Tails(work with me here people, it's an example) for months and months on end and I want to be a troll.
And let's say with a whole week and half left on my grace period, I decide I want to start fighting challengers and end my grace period there.
End of example.
^ But that is something that people may hate, may disagree with, but it's not only something that's been going on since forever here on SL but it's not exactly against any rules either. Sure, some people may hate it to hell and back, but you're just... Well, beat.
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Strange how Kiri is yet again in the spotlight for doing shady things with their biju so they don't lose them. Is anyone else noticing a trend?
Considering Yujo has been on the front lines when it comes to everything Sanbi, he has obviously been putting in months worth of real time work into getting just a sliver of a chance to fight for the beast.
Honestly just fight the guy already, Jesus Christ. It's so much easier than doing this dance over and over. Honestly I am going to have an anurism from this stupid shit.
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Strange how Kiri is yet again in the spotlight for doing shady things with their biju so they don't lose them. Is anyone else noticing a trend?
Considering Yujo has been on the front lines when it comes to everything Sanbi, he has obviously been putting in months worth of real time work into getting just a sliver of a chance to fight for the beast.
Honestly just fight the guy already, Jesus Christ. It's so much easier than doing this dance over and over. Honestly I am going to have an anurism from this stupid quack.
Pretty sure exercising one's rights isn't "shady". Going as far as saying "so they don't lose them" is a bit of a stretch considering they've been elected, or become, hosts for a reason (see: can RP).
And he has a sliver of a chance still. It all depends on how the fight goes for Eiko.
For the sake of science, it's "aneurysm". Also, what's up with these forums and people not able to mind their language lately? C'mon people, there's plenty of ways to express your emotions. Stop resorting to cursing.
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Don't really appreciate my pm's being taken out of context here. What the rest of the message yujo is quoting said was that I challenged her at like 11:30 the night before she would have ended her grace period. I told eiko I could challenger her again at 12:01 to make it official and she said it wasn't necessary. Yujo was not on either so it's not like he could have beat me to it.
So if her accepting me before her grace was up was the only issue I feel like it is being misrepresented.
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Strange how Kiri is yet again in the spotlight for doing shady things with their biju so they don't lose them. Is anyone else noticing a trend?
Considering Yujo has been on the front lines when it comes to everything Sanbi, he has obviously been putting in months worth of real time work into getting just a sliver of a chance to fight for the beast.
Honestly just fight the guy already, Jesus Christ. It's so much easier than doing this dance over and over. Honestly I am going to have an anurism from this stupid shit.
One might also look at who is creating the fuss with them over and over and over and over again and come up with an altogether different ascertainment of what is annoying.
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total weirdness.
So deathstroke. I am listening to a song and your gif avatar has truly got some moves there that synced up nice.
Listen to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKBRc8zNQ30 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKBRc8zNQ30)
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I thought we decided that that new host had to take on the previous host challenge list?
It's why myself and the Kurama jinch are in discussion for a possible battle since I was on Camel's list.
So which is it? Is it more of an honor bound system? Like you don't have to, but can.
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I thought we decided that that new host had to take on the previous host challenge list?
It's why myself and the Kurama jinch are in discussion for a possible battle since I was on Camel's list.
So which is it? Is it more of an honor bound system? Like you don't have to, but can.
I was under the assumption that you sort of *had* to take on the list from the previous host and work your way until that previous list is done. Then after that you can start a new list or take a brief grace period (two weeks), before taking on another new list of challengers.
So I am just as confused as Trev is. What kind of system do we have here anyway?
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I thought we decided that that new host had to take on the previous host challenge list?
It's why myself and the Kurama jinch are in discussion for a possible battle since I was on Camel's list.
So which is it? Is it more of an honor bound system? Like you don't have to, but can.
I was under the assumption that you sort of *had* to take on the list from the previous host and work your way until that previous list is done. Then after that you can start a new list or take a brief grace period (two weeks), before taking on another new list of challengers.
So I am just as confused as Trev is. What kind of system do we have here anyway?
When did you ever have to take the other challengers? O.o One of the biggest things people would fight for it getting first place on a New Jincks list when they just beat the old one.
If anything, it's more honor bound. There are no rules stating it and if there are, why? O.o Two different people, two different lists.
I didn't take Eric's challengers. All three of them had to re-challenge me and none of them did. So, what? If I was forced to take on his list, then I may be fighting people who aren't even interested in fighting me or the beast anymore? o.o
I dunno, I just didn't even know people took lists >> I heard about it but it just seemed off and silly. But what do I know?
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If it's not something physically written and set in stone here, then people aren't going to know, or do it. If it's not in the rules, then people aren't going to "assume" they "have" to take on previous challengers. It's not like Yujo doesn't get a turn (he'll just challenge either Deathstroke if he wins or be next in line against me).
We could probably use way better rules.
And yeah, Deathstroke's PMs are misinterpreted, I believe he did message me again at 12am, so he still comes first. I don't know what else to say here.
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Valid enough. If it is not in the official list of rules...
the list of things to revise is steadily growing.
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I thought we decided that that new host had to take on the previous host challenge list?
It's why myself and the Kurama jinch are in discussion for a possible battle since I was on Camel's list.
So which is it? Is it more of an honor bound system? Like you don't have to, but can.
I was under the assumption that you sort of *had* to take on the list from the previous host and work your way until that previous list is done. Then after that you can start a new list or take a brief grace period (two weeks), before taking on another new list of challengers.
So I am just as confused as Trev is. What kind of system do we have here anyway?
When did you ever have to take the other challengers? O.o One of the biggest things people would fight for it getting first place on a New Jincks list when they just beat the old one.
If anything, it's more honor bound. There are no rules stating it and if there are, why? O.o Two different people, two different lists.
I didn't take Eric's challengers. All three of them had to re-challenge me and none of them did. So, what? If I was forced to take on his list, then I may be fighting people who aren't even interested in fighting me or the beast anymore? o.o
I dunno, I just didn't even know people took lists >> I heard about it but it just seemed off and silly. But what do I know?
Do you honestly think ANYTHING on these forums would be Honor bound?
"I didn't take Eric's challengers. All three of them had to re-challenge me and none of them did. So, what? If I was forced to take on his list, then I may be fighting people who aren't even interested in fighting me or the beast anymore? o.o"
And this...You didn't have to take on Eric's list, not because you were not supposed to, but because as you stated, none of them had any interest, they didn't care enough to go out and enforce this. I mean I am not sure what you were trying to convey with that, but that is all that there is to it.
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So either Eiko does have to fight the challengers of the person she got the bijuu from or she doesn't. Are there more rules somewhere else than the forum? I don't see where it says that. The only thing relevant is that if the host is stripped their clan leader gets their bijuu, it does not mention, the challenger list though. Perhaps it should be revised to say that if it was meant to be an enforceable rule, because I'm not seeing it as of now.
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I thought we decided that that new host had to take on the previous host challenge list?
It's why myself and the Kurama jinch are in discussion for a possible battle since I was on Camel's list.
So which is it? Is it more of an honor bound system? Like you don't have to, but can.
I was under the assumption that you sort of *had* to take on the list from the previous host and work your way until that previous list is done. Then after that you can start a new list or take a brief grace period (two weeks), before taking on another new list of challengers.
So I am just as confused as Trev is. What kind of system do we have here anyway?
When did you ever have to take the other challengers? O.o One of the biggest things people would fight for it getting first place on a New Jincks list when they just beat the old one.
If anything, it's more honor bound. There are no rules stating it and if there are, why? O.o Two different people, two different lists.
I didn't take Eric's challengers. All three of them had to re-challenge me and none of them did. So, what? If I was forced to take on his list, then I may be fighting people who aren't even interested in fighting me or the beast anymore? o.o
I dunno, I just didn't even know people took lists >> I heard about it but it just seemed off and silly. But what do I know?
Do you honestly think ANYTHING on these forums would be Honor bound?
"I didn't take Eric's challengers. All three of them had to re-challenge me and none of them did. So, what? If I was forced to take on his list, then I may be fighting people who aren't even interested in fighting me or the beast anymore? o.o"
And this...You didn't have to take on Eric's list, not because you were not supposed to, but because as you stated, none of them had any interest, they didn't care enough to go out and enforce this. I mean I am not sure what you were trying to convey with that, but that is all that there is to it.
My point was kind of obvious >_> THEY HAD TO RE-CHALLENGE ME. I didn't put them on a list, I didn't automatically take them on as challengers.
If we're talking technicalities here now and about points being made, it isn't in the rules that a Host HAS to take the old Host's list so this whole topic was already resolved before it started o.o;
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My point was kind of obvious >_> THEY HAD TO RE-CHALLENGE ME. I didn't put them on a list, I didn't automatically take them on as challengers.
If we're talking technicalities here now and about points being made, it isn't in the rules that a Host HAS to take the old Host's list so this whole topic was already resolved before it started o.o;
:smt023
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ºGrace Periodº
After any challenge (& loss) from a challenger, a week must be given to the host before challenging them to a rematch (the one week grace period is in subject to a single challenger & as such does not signify a host can ignore challenges from all others during the time period). In cases such as obtaining a Biju for oneself, a 2-week grace period is granted In order to “commune” with one’s Biju. If a host shows inactivity for long periods of time (two weeks or more) without prior notice, you can report their missing & conference of a suitable host will take place when possible.
Where are people reading that the host does not have to accept challenges (in general) during the grace period? I am reading that you don't have to fight during the grace period if anything else.
Challenge lists were at one time inherited, but it was never made an explicit rule, which caused it to fall out of practice with some. Traditionally the list would be inherited for fairness' sake, but again, the rules did not have it written in since things like tradition have been felt in the past not something that needed to be written down.
But yeah, that's why there is confusion going on there.
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ºGrace Periodº
After any challenge (& loss) from a challenger, a week must be given to the host before challenging them to a rematch (the one week grace period is in subject to a single challenger & as such does not signify a host can ignore challenges from all others during the time period). In cases such as obtaining a Biju for oneself, a 2-week grace period is granted In order to “commune” with one’s Biju. If a host shows inactivity for long periods of time (two weeks or more) without prior notice, you can report their missing & conference of a suitable host will take place when possible.
Where are people reading that the host does not have to accept challenges (in general) during the grace period? I am reading that you don't have to fight during the grace period if anything else.
Challenge lists were at one time inherited, but it was never made an explicit rule, which caused it to fall out of practice with some. Traditionally the list would be inherited for fairness' sake, but again, the rules did not have it written in since things like tradition have been felt in the past not something that needed to be written down.
But yeah, that's why there is confusion going on there.
I wrote that rule to say that hosts cannot ignore challenges during the one week break they get after a challenge is concluded by another. That's the only limitation there was. As far as the two week period, you had rights to say no to people during then since you're (IC) busy adjusting to your new life and power. For a long while did we do it like this. That is what we did traditionally, not inherit a list of challengers. I remember the talk of list inheritance and I remember we never set it in stone because it was much too controversial to implement.
Honestly, the whole list inheritance is a bit much to try and make people participate in. People are forgetting that bijuu fight challenges are simply chances to get the bijuu, that's it. If someone else gets it, there goes your chance. You now have to challenge the new person for that chance.
It's like buying a house. Just because you submit an application and someone else's application gets approved first and they get the house, doesn't mean you're next in line for other houses offered around the area (or even that same house). Gotta reapply to each.
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It's like buying a house. Just because you submit an application and someone else's application gets approved first and they get the house, doesn't mean you're next in line for other houses offered around the area (or even that same house). Gotta reapply to each.
That is a perfect example of what I was also trying to get across >>; Rai just did it better.
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ºGrace Periodº
After any challenge (& loss) from a challenger, a week must be given to the host before challenging them to a rematch (the one week grace period is in subject to a single challenger & as such does not signify a host can ignore challenges from all others during the time period). In cases such as obtaining a Biju for oneself, a 2-week grace period is granted In order to “commune” with one’s Biju. If a host shows inactivity for long periods of time (two weeks or more) without prior notice, you can report their missing & conference of a suitable host will take place when possible.
Where are people reading that the host does not have to accept challenges (in general) during the grace period? I am reading that you don't have to fight during the grace period if anything else.
Challenge lists were at one time inherited, but it was never made an explicit rule, which caused it to fall out of practice with some. Traditionally the list would be inherited for fairness' sake, but again, the rules did not have it written in since things like tradition have been felt in the past not something that needed to be written down.
But yeah, that's why there is confusion going on there.
I wrote that rule to say that hosts cannot ignore challenges during the one week break they get after a challenge is concluded by another. That's the only limitation there was. As far as the two week period, you had rights to say no to people during then since you're (IC) busy adjusting to your new life and power. For a long while did we do it like this. That is what we did traditionally, not inherit a list of challengers. I remember the talk of list inheritance and I remember we never set it in stone because it was much too controversial to implement.
Honestly, the whole list inheritance is a bit much to try and make people participate in. People are forgetting that bijuu fight challenges are simply chances to get the bijuu, that's it. If someone else gets it, there goes your chance. You now have to challenge the new person for that chance.
It's like buying a house. Just because you submit an application and someone else's application gets approved first and they get the house, doesn't mean you're next in line for other houses offered around the area (or even that same house). Gotta reapply to each.
What is the point of these rules written down here if every single rule has some implied meaning or power that is given, that only the people who played the game before bijuu were a thing remember >_>
The rules might as well go as followed:
Grace period: Sorta kinda like after 12 days you gotta maybe start fighting, unless..."
If the rules aren't going to be followed as they are, and every time there is an issue regarding them, someone from the past comes out of the woodwork and proclaims that 'These' are actually what the rules mean, why don't we get to work revising them?
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What is the point of these rules written down here if every single rule has some implied meaning or power that is given, that only the people who played the game before bijuu were a thing remember >_>
The rules might as well go as followed:
Grace period: Sorta kinda like after 12 days you gotta maybe start fighting, unless..."
If the rules aren't going to be followed as they are, and every time there is an issue regarding them, someone from the past comes out of the woodwork and proclaims that 'These' are actually what the rules mean, why don't we get to work revising them?
People seemed to understand them before. Honestly don't know when the decline in people who understood happened. It's not like I just posted these up and said "follow these". I told people about these in my attempt to help people out and people were, like, "yeah, this works. Cool. Keep as is." and we went on our way. Before bijuu were a thing? These were written because there weren't any when bijuu had been a thing.
"Yeah. Maybe, but you know I'm not sure." Here's the whole thing about complaining about how something is done: it doesn't mean a thing unless you have a way to make it better. Hindsight bias is just that.
Far as I see, people have been making revisions as time comes. It's not the same set from years ago. It's pretty different now.
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If Yujo sent any challenges to Xia while they were sealing the beast, they would be void.
Yea pretty much didn't receive anything when I had a few days before figuring out that Sanbi needed a new host.... Nevertheless, the decision was made on the 4th or 5th day of the one week I had and we immediately met, chose a host, and you know from there...
ºGrace Periodº
After any challenge (& loss) from a challenger, a week must be given to the host before challenging them to a rematch (the one week grace period is in subject to a single challenger & as such does not signify a host can ignore challenges from all others during the time period). In cases such as obtaining a Biju for oneself, a 2-week grace period is granted In order to “commune” with one’s Biju. If a host shows inactivity for long periods of time (two weeks or more) without prior notice, you can report their missing & conference of a suitable host will take place when possible.
Basically pestering her countless times isn't going to help.... If I was a host, I would have said the same thing about the grace period and just resend a challenge... Lets be civil here.
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Civil? On the SL Forum? Oh that would be a dream come true!
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Civil? On the SL Forum? Oh that would be a dream come true!
I can dream.
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... Basically pestering her countless times isn't going to help.... If I was a host, I would have said the same thing about the grace period and just resend a challenge... Lets be civil here.
If he did not get the picture with "no" the first six times, then saying "no" again is not exactly going to deter him the seventh nor the eighth time. That single challenger is for one previously challenged and defeated, not making a new challenge. "He is pestering me" is not a valid reason to say no to the challenge, and even with Raifudo's insight, there is still no reason she should have denied accepting the challenge. Perhaps denied him getting priority if someone else challenged again before him, but certainly not denied the challenge outright.
Civil? On the SL Forum? Oh that would be a dream come true!
You clearly don't sleep enough, that dream is more consistent than you would like to believe and/or make believe. :P
I wrote that rule to say that hosts cannot ignore challenges during the one week break they get after a challenge is concluded by another. That's the only limitation there was. As far as the two week period, you had rights to say no to people during then since you're (IC) busy adjusting to your new life and power. For a long while did we do it like this. That is what we did traditionally, not inherit a list of challengers. I remember the talk of list inheritance and I remember we never set it in stone because it was much too controversial to implement.
Honestly, the whole list inheritance is a bit much to try and make people participate in. People are forgetting that bijuu fight challenges are simply chances to get the bijuu, that's it. If someone else gets it, there goes your chance. You now have to challenge the new person for that chance.
It's like buying a house. Just because you submit an application and someone else's application gets approved first and they get the house, doesn't mean you're next in line for other houses offered around the area (or even that same house). Gotta reapply to each.
I see. Things have certainly changed since it was originally originally composed, particularly among the interpretation. That hasn't been the way I have seen it nor interpreted it for the past few years, but since you've been here longer, your traditional is probably more aged and more to the meaning of the word than my use of traditional.
While I have certainly not interpreted it that way, I suppose I can see it; the previous sentence prior to the mentioning of the 2 week grace period was speaking all of challenges, so the next sentence being in regard to challenges and not the actual fights is pretty feasible. Would be better for it to be explicitly written out though, because leaving things up to interpretation, nowadays I should say, is simply not a good idea. As such though, I would probably advocate my interpretation over the old interpretation, and the matter of inheriting challenge lists being a separate topic/rule.
Since the original question was of whether or not priority needed to be given to Riku's match and I assume that he means in priority over Deathstrokes, then if it is a matter of inheritance alone, then no, she doesn't have to since inheritance does not exist in the rules themselves. If it's a matter of her wrongfully denying the challenge then I am still of the mind she would have to accept the challenge and consider it over Deathstrokes.
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I thought this topic discussion was over?
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I thought so too.
I also can't remember if his "challenges" were challenges at all. He just sent me questions asking about my preferences, etc, twice. But, still, it happened and, well, I really don't think it'll change anything. I got two messages, accepted the third time (because it seemed like an official challenge and was after the grace period) when my grace period was up; and it just so happened to be after Deathstroke.
I don't think it was wrongfully denying, but okay. I thought, in all fairness, a first come first serve after my grace period was acceptable. I asked some people and they said to just wait until after. So I did.
Can we close this topic soon?
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The proof is in the pudding. Not a definite challenge, so can we drop this?
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I really hate to do this to ya, honestly, but we all knew this would happen.
While you don't have to accept any challenges from me till the grace period is over, I would like to know your preferences for a fight, considering I will be sending a challenge as soon as the grace period is over.
Would you like me to have to hunt you down IC, or are you simply going to accept a formal Bijuu challenge OOC; Things like that really, any further information would be very much appreciated.
Thank you.
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Getting tired of the bs over Sanbi.... Just accept the rules as they are with the grace period and all that and quit whining. Shouldn't be that hard. Xia is out of this one.
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The proof is in the pudding. Not a definite challenge, so can we drop this?
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I really hate to do this to ya, honestly, but we all knew this would happen.
While you don't have to accept any challenges from me till the grace period is over, I would like to know your preferences for a fight, considering I will be sending a challenge as soon as the grace period is over.
Would you like me to have to hunt you down IC, or are you simply going to accept a formal Bijuu challenge OOC; Things like that really, any further information would be very much appreciated.
Thank you.
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Actually this is what I sent:
"I really hate to do this to ya, honestly, but we all knew this would happen.
While you don't have to accept any challenges from me till the grace period is over, I would like to know your preferences for a fight, considering I will be sending a challenge as soon as the grace period is over.
Would you like me to have to hunt you down IC, or are you simply going to accept a formal Bijuu challenge OOC; Things like that really, any further information would be very much appreciated.
If you wish to, think of this as a staggered challenge, my last message as well."
Also, here are the Timestamps: Sent: 2015-08-04 14:44:03
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And this is the reason there are supposed to be public challenge lists with public challenging like when I had the 5-tails. I digress, if Riku's challenge has been accepted, and no further discussion seems imminent from this point (that progresses the topic that is) then I guess this topic can be locked.
*If this is not the case and there remains stuff to be discussed, PM me or Kage and one of us will unlock.