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Roleplay => Village Square => Topic started by: Old Man Xia on March 04, 2016, 11:57:28 PM
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Please check out the topic I have created in regards to the recent abuse of power when the SSM swords were illegally distributed. Thank you
http://narutoprofile.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:15551
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commented there.
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Abuse of power as per your opinion. They were taken within means that were discussed in topics on this forum.
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Bocchiere was elected in (the circumstances are not my focus in saying that) and by definition can be elected out. This conflict should not surprise anyone not just because of Bocc's own history, but the conflict regarding claimed items and how the SSM fall under that. Them being exclusively Kiri items has been considered unfair to some, notwithstanding the seals and jutsu in place to try to keep it that way. I think it is obvious which side of the dicussion Bocchiere is on and which side Rockhoundxoz is on.
There has been discussion on claimed items (such as these swords) before:
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,7210.0.html
And the issue of claims disagreements is why there even had to be an election for admin:
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8615.0.html
What are the full details of this situation? What claims are being made as to justify the ownership changes, and what claims are being made to justify the ownership retention? Specifics would be most appreciated.
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Essentially a copy-paste of my response on the wikia, but here in the setting of the SL forum I would like to add that now would be a good time to present the full details for both sides to see if this issue must be resolved in this manner, or even if resolving it in this manner would help in the long run.
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Talk it out folks. We can come to an agreement over how things should be handled. I believe you. I think, Kiri should hand out the swords to those they define as the best sort for such an item. If such things don't happen, perhaps we can come to an agreement of sharing them with the community.
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The rules are the rules and the unclaimed swords were given to new people. As I mentioned on the wiki I was open to multiple options like doing an rp, doing a fight, whatevs, and I still am. When they decide they're tired of being salty and want to do something like that I'll be here. As we see from the get go at least, Kiri is going with the tried and true, "Screw you everything is done our way." They've relied on for the past decade or so. The controlling majority does not seem open to any compromise. It's either exactly what they want or nothing.
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Xia has been busy with the RL. So, I say, since this has been brought forth to the community, that he been given a chance to give it to his people. If there are a few weapons that aren't able to be given out, I say we give them to the community. This can be in turn, used as a mean to rp.
Someone has managed to take the weapons away! D: We have to retrieve them for the Motherland!
It'd be someone else for the members of the SSM to track down and promote some rp for all. IT could be fun!
But, it's best for both sides to come out and talk about the issue instead of forcing something upon each other. If need be, a mediator can be chosen to help out.
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As Xia has said many times he has nothing to do with and no control over the swordsmen or their matters, he's merely defending his village's interests in this. So his activity is no excuse for the matter of the swords.
Mioku and Gitsune seem to be the ones in charge and have been for a time. They are both very active, especially Gitsune. I returned to SL around this time last year and at that time these swords were already sealed away, now one year later nothing has changed. That isn't acceptable any longer.
I'm sorry but we've all been burned by Kiri one too many times. If they want to interact with this at all, which as of now they do not seem to, then they need to give a little. How many times has someone called Kiri out on some bs about a bijuu and then they go, "Oh ok now we'll fight you or whatever." I'm tired of having to twist their arms to get them to simply follow the rules.
Not this time, my work is already done. Kiri is the one that cannot accept that there are rules that may actually have negative consequences if they do not follow them. I'm open to the rp the fight or whatever else they can think of. If Kiri is willing to be the bigger man and accept that their actions have consequences than we can do something about it, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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And I'm not holding my breath about you being willing to listen much less consider anything they say, even if they did come out to talk and tried to make a compromise or anything. Its always 'my way or highway' with you, and you won't refrain from spewing any amount of insults and harassment, blatantly false and or completely unrelated accusations, tirelessly until people get so sick of you they just leave and leave you to do whatever you want. Only thing different now is you've added 'no edit warring allowed' pretense to your arsenal, as an additional means to tell people to STFU, excuse to ignore anything they say, and ban if they do keep insisting.
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I said my part. I just hope everyone can come to a conclusion that makes everyone happy :)
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And I'm not holding my breath about you being willing to listen much less consider anything they say, even if they did come out to talk and tried to make a compromise or anything. Its always 'my way or highway' with you, and you won't refrain from spewing any amount of insults and harassment, blatantly false and or completely unrelated accusations, tirelessly until people get so sick of you they just leave and leave you to do whatever you want. Only thing different now is you've added 'no edit warring allowed' pretense to your arsenal, as an additional means to tell people to STFU, excuse to ignore anything they say, and ban if they do keep insisting.
While part of the matter is the illegal distribution of the swords without Kiri's knowledge and the false rule made without an official vote as I just read on there, you shouldn't be making that decision Bocch to redistribute. As that challenge for claimed items I saw, you posted there back in 2012 about this, and yet you go against your own post now and just do as you please. This is not the professional manner in which should be taken when you are admin of a wiki when threatening people with bans when disagreed on matters. In part, these two are the reasons in why I made that post. If you don't like my view, then good day.
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Once upon a time, I was going to make a character that was associated with Jashinism, now keep in mind that this when the wikipedia had no *active* administrator. Well...I cited a *inactivity* rule for what I was about to claim (The triple-bladed scythe to be exact), but I was met with rebuttal because it exclusively belonged to Bocchiere. I mean through the months he was gone, I didn't claim it on good faith and on the grounds, that perhaps maybe this guy would come back and put the item to use again. (Sadly it wasn't until three months or so)
Sorry if I was off-topic, but it actually has very much to do with the subject at hand. You may ask yourself? How? Well...favoritism happens to be a dangerous vice in my opinion and from what I observed, the people whom were chosen to have these blades re-distributed to are actually associated with the *current* wikipedia administrator in some way or form. (Now this is only an assumption, the rest is up to debate)
Now for the whole issue, I actually tried to mediate for Kirigakure and even at the behest of my 'inner conscious', gave advice that would've avoided all of these shenanigans. What did I suggest? I told Kirigakure to RP out the collective re-distribution of the blades through the usage of the scroll that they are sealed in, I suggested this idea so that the remaining seven blades wouldn't be sealed and up for claim by those associated with SSM. Gitsune was about to do this prior to Bocchiere claiming the items in question, but her character was busy in Sunagakure and had no way of doing what I suggested. Which I initially found strange, since Gitsune has since been posting in Kirigakure's village board. (It is a wood clone, but still it shouldn't been suffice enough to do what I suggested.)
Now the root of this whole issue, derives from the inactivity clause that I thought at first was added to the wikipedia. I actually could've sworn that those rules were on the claims list, unless they got removed and basically forgotten about over time. If anyone is confused onto how or when these rules came into existence, I have the links right here: Link #1 (http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8062.0.html) Link #2 (http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8419.0.html)
PS: I would like to also bring up the issue of "edit-warring" and from what I observed in silence, the warring mostly derived from the *current* administrator whom thinks other slanted point-of-views constitute as an edit war when it does not. If anything, Bocchiere you actually violated a rule yourself by doing more then three reverts in a twenty-four hour period and it is contradicting to cite the reason for banning a user because of an edit war being instigated, when in reality it really doesn't constitute as a edit war at all from what I read--see the link below for more information on edit warring. [Read this more carefully (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Edit_warring)]
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points of clarity which I would like to see addressed.
1] rules for inactivity being voted in. I recall a discussion we had about making that a thing, about editing out claims from the wikia and as I recall I said that I didn't want people's claims just deleted for all eternity.
2] what is inactivity? The SSM are all still active. Not one of them has been deleted for failure to be on SL. And they are the ones charged with testing for new members and dishing out the swords. I saw it written that Gitsune was taking the sealed swords out and using them in sparing matches. But I read Bocc saying that he was not going to let her use that as a loop hole to get away with this. Well...uh, if the auxiliary using the swords of the SSM is not activity, pending the testing of competent swordsmen to fill their ranks, then what is? Oh but Bocc just gets to decide this is NOT activity. He is not going to let them get away with this. I am sorry but being admin of the wikia doesn't make you judge and jury of SL and what's going on in our RP! Yumei, the creator of the wikia sure as hell never got away with that crap. what makes you think you will? Or even should? This is NOT the purpose of the wikia. WHEN DID WE EVER VOTE THAT THE WIKIA WOULD BE ANY AUTHORITY OVER OUR RP????
2.5] What is activity? The SSM swords belong to that elite group. They are not inactive. As long as activity exists within the SSM then their possessions are still claimed by them. That the seven swords are not awarded to individual seven swordsmens is moot. There was a time when multiple swords were claimed by one or two of the swordsmen, leaving active swordsmen without any sword at all. No one threw a fit about that. And I was one of those without a sword...Shima Umioso...for quite a long time until Cmage finally gave me the Kabutowari. Active swordsmen using their elite force weapons. Who cares if they are evenly distributed among seven people? I can tell you who. People who do not want to earn the swords through the process laid out of creating a Kiri nin, applying to be tested, and earning a seat and a sword. Whose fault is it the SSM do not have seven warriors? Everyone who did not try out for the position and actively seek out this goal to its completion, that's who!
3] The rules for how the swords are handled have been in place since 2010, as per the SSM site. WAY before this wikia was even created. Now why then do those not part of that elite group have say so over how they are handling their organization? Hell, their own Mizukage doesn't even have ruler-ship over how they pick and choose their members or who gets what sword. And yet some admin on a wikia for record keeping does? Please...
4] I applaud the point that those who made these so called rules for everyone to follow are the ones benefiting from the theft of the swords. Corruption in a nut shell.
5] As for rping their recovery, when was their theft rp'd?
6] the basis of this decision seems to be a vendetta against Kiri for not bowing down to the attacks made upon them for items of power. The bijuu. And the behavior associated with that whole debacle resulted in the Kiri hosts just giving the bijuu away so as to no longer have to deal with the drama.
7] Given that Kiri has already given over on the bijuu, why then now must they give over on their 6 year old organization just because the drama is starting all over again? Isn't it enough that the bijuu were trolled away from them but now you have to tear down the SSM too? Why did you come back? You have been quoted on numerous occasions of having the agenda to come here and tear down as much as you could. For Pete's sake, take up cooking or knitting instead. You seriously need a new hobby in life.
I say enough is enough and those who are not getting their way...as Kiri has been accused of...in the matter of this theft need to just step off and stop being so high handed here.
One of the things I said about claimed items was there should be discussion. Well there was none. It was just...oh this is Kiri so screw them, we hate them, we all know how this is going to go, so swipe swipe swipe...here you go my good buddy, have a sword! Yet when I dare to call you out on this behavior, I am the one accused of lashing out under the motivation of my hatred for you! Which is rich...Who nominated you for a GM slot on SL anyway? Oh yeah...that was me. Clearly I am an idiot, but hate you? No. What I feel concerning you is extreme sadness that you do not use your considerable skills to build things up and to make SL great, rather than tear it down at every turn you are blocked in your ploy for world domination. Here is a clue for you. You are not going to achieve your world destruction and restart of SL. EVER!!!! There just are not that many SHEEP on SL to be herded around, even by YOU!
And if that is not abuse of administrative powers then I do not know what is.
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Kayenta you are the biggest hypocrite in the history of this site. All you do is talk about freedom to rp, you can't control our rp. But what you really mean is freedom to rp anything YOU want. Anything that falls within the circle of what you approve of should be an irrevocable right to everyone, and any rp you don't agree with should be banned completely. I hate to break it to you but that is literally the opposite of freedom. Everything you stand for is a lie.
Thankfully we all either know this by now, our are within your group of like-minded people and just don't care. So, other than maybe burning a new hole in the atmosphere your constant expulsion of hot air and other toxic fumes, your ranting is never going to achieve anything but making everyone wish you'd finally shut up.
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Well I did say he was gonna do it...and he certainly didn't disappoint, lol. Not a single counter-argument, just baseless accusations and endless vitriol, as usual.
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I've made my arguments on the wiki already. Whether you choose to ignore them or not is your choice. One that you've obviously already made.
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Time for the swords to not be "sealed". Give them to someone in Kiri, hold a tournament, give them to a random acad, just get them out into rp. Some of these swords have been sealed with no owner for years, that sounds like inactivity to me. To be fair to everyone, give Kiri a week to hand out the swords just make them tied to someone and not sealed. These swords as so cool and important to early Naruto. Zabuza was iconic once Naruto came out, so much rp could be done. It's time for the swords to be given out.
As for Bocc as a mod on the wiki. Take it up with Yumei, he owns it, his call.
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As usual you could not find logic to counter my objections and turn to flamming. Big shocker.
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Time for the swords to not be "sealed". Give them to someone in Kiri, hold a tournament, give them to a random acad, just get them out into rp. Some of these swords have been sealed with no owner for years, that sounds like inactivity to me. To be fair to everyone, give Kiri a week to hand out the swords just make them tied to someone and not sealed. These swords as so cool and important to early Naruto. Zabuza was iconic once Naruto came out, so much rp could be done. It's time for the swords to be given out.
As for Bocc as a mod on the wiki. Take it up with Yumei, he owns it, his call.
Kiri has had plenty of chances to give the swords out. This is a result of them not taking any of those chances . So there will not be any further chances.
as for that Trev, unfortunately I am on the same level as yumei so he actually cannot remove me from power even if he wanted to
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As usual you could not find logic to counter my objections and turn to flamming. Big shocker.
Yeah your so logical in comparison. Except all your points are just things I've already addressed that you've chosen to ignore as an excuse to continue ranting. Big shocker.
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Tell me just how many people find your actions legit? you and the 3 others who now claim they hold the swords and the scroll?
and how many people deny your actions?
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have fun with your make believe claims that no one is going to acknowledge. The swords are exactly where they should be, in the hands of the SSM and that is that.
I am sure they will tend to testing new members and handing out the swords in an appropriate manner and I await their decisions in this matter. But even if they do fill all the seats? It is still legit for one swordsman to be assigned more than one blade leaving another without any of these relics for use. AS is the tradition of the SSM which is not subject to being altered by the whims or demands of the irate few. And certainly not subject to the rulership of some wikia and its admin.
Your points were not ignored. They were just not valid.
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I assume if Yumei asked, you'd step down, less you prove you're a twat.
I don't really have faith in Kiri giving out the swords, some have literally been sealed for years. I could care less if one guy has all seven, just get them to an owner. But as with most topics, Kiri is going to do what Kiri wants. Anti-Kiri will do the same. You all despise each other, so there will be no compromise ever.
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Then do that. I don't care what anyone does on SL. I'm admin of the wiki not SL. Kiri can rp that they have a dozen copies of every sword for all I care. I can't tell anyone to do anything on SL. I can enforce what I know to be he rules on the wiki though and if that's so difficult for you to deal with than make your own wiki after all, kamui was going to do just that before I found out you can get new staff made.
And please continue to ignore anyone calling you out on how big a hypocrite you are. We wouldn't want to shatter the fragile fantasy world that you live in where you don't do every single thing you ever accuse me of.
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Kayenta you are the biggest hypocrite in the history of this site. All you do is talk about freedom to rp, you can't control our rp. But what you really mean is freedom to rp anything YOU want. Anything that falls within the circle of what you approve of should be an irrevocable right to everyone, and any rp you don't agree with should be banned completely. I hate to break it to you but that is literally the opposite of freedom. Everything you stand for is a lie.
Thankfully we all either know this by now, our are within your group of like-minded people and just don't care. So, other than maybe burning a new hole in the atmosphere your constant expulsion of hot air and other toxic fumes, your ranting is never going to achieve anything but making everyone wish you'd finally shut up.
I disagree with you Bocchiere because now we are at the turn were you're calling people names because you are called out for administrative abuse of power. Get this through your freaking simple minded skull for once because I knew in turn that you becoming admin of this wiki was going to cause trouble, yet you closed the pull just one week before anymore votes could come in and claim to be winner. How stupid do you think we really are man....
Now, I agree with Kay in all that has been said because we choose to have someone be unbiased and use their power as an admin should instead of using that power to gain power over RP that should have taken place. Your return after being perma banned should have served you right in the first place to begin with, but yet here you are making more conflicts with things you have no control over. Why don't you just step down now before this gets even uglier than it should.
I assume if Yumei asked, you'd step down, less you prove you're a twat.
I don't really have faith in Kiri giving out the swords, some have literally been sealed for years. I could care less if one guy has all seven, just get them to an owner. But as with most topics, Kiri is going to do what Kiri wants. Anti-Kiri will do the same. You all despise each other, so there will be no compromise ever.
I disagree because the SSM swords is not my ownership and I cannot distribute them. The swords are being used as stated before, yet why do people assume they are not? Why is it that Bocchiere and his buddies were given these swords and when correct changes were made I was accused of not consulting with one who was illegally given a sword? You tell me what kind of illegal claims these are in which you never consulted with us because I heard about all this in Kiri's secret room, not from Bocchiere or his butt buddies. Completely pathetic you don't even ask us.
And to clarify one more point about the swords is that they are all claimed by the SSM. Use or not, anyone with a seat can use a sword, either it be one person who has them all, or 2 people using them, ect.... You cannot dictate these kinds of things when you don't have the knowledge or understanding for.
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Kirigakure failed for far, far too long to even try with the swords. The SSM have been a running joke for years, and I simply don't see the problem with them being distributed. Hell I didn't even get one and I'm the best swords man here ;)
Seriously, to keep canon items that easily make for great RP just "sealed" for what almost a year? That's more than enough merit to lose your privileges. Too much, actually. And most of you have made this an anti-Bocchiere thing when really it is Kirigakure's lack of action. Sure he may have not done it in a way you all like, and he may be hard for some of you to interact with, but to turn this into what it's becoming (a salty pissing contest) is just useless.
Maybe try and plan some RPs instead of just calling people out on the shittier parts of their nature. Guess what, everyone sucks. Just because you don't like the way someone else sucks or the actions they take doesn't give you the right to rally against them, especially not when they're taking action and you're sitting around on your precious canon items as long as possible like fat slobs.
Oh and before you anti-Bocchiere people attack me for being his "butt buddy", just wanted to remind you all that I am the one who got him perma-banned, which you all seem to love to bring up, so it's not like I'm trying to defend him personally. This is all the fault of the SSM and their piss-poor management.
Shoulda let me take it over... ;)
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I don't really have faith in Kiri giving out the swords, some have literally been sealed for years. I could care less if one guy has all seven, just get them to an owner. But as with most topics, Kiri is going to do what Kiri wants. Anti-Kiri will do the same. You all despise each other, so there will be no compromise ever.
This is what I came here to focus on more. I'm hoping my background on this site proves to be enough to be lent an ear for my point here. I would like to also note my RP inactivity shouldn't be something to deem as a point against me, but rather a point towards me as it shows my non-bias beliefs, specifically that this outcome will not have any benefit to my character.
In my time on SL, I've seen these issues with Kiri first hand (regarding inactivity and an agenda where power goes into Kiri but never out). As a former Kage, I understand the necessity to bolster the defensive and offensive abilities of a village. I also understand the desire to maintain as much of a resource as possible and manage it so there's no chance of it escaping; should it somehow fall out of our hands, I also understand needing to have enough in my arsenal to retrieve it and enough in my arsenal to maintain a certain status of power. All this considered, I feel Kiri is not going about this the right way. This may sound like "Kumogakure way is the only way" propaganda, but I promise you it's anything but.
In regards to the swords:
We once had, I believe, 2 or 3 swords in Kumogakure's possession. Hiramekarei was one of them that Jinzo (Now Osho Kiba) was in possession of along with the eight tails. After a tragic loss, both were taken from him and sadness ensued. Once this happened, I heard there was some scroll that recalled the swords back to Kiri anyhow (I believe Cmage told me about this [Rakudo is his name now?]). Beyond wanting the sword back and wanting to retrieve it, nothing was done due to the aforementioned fact. Of course I wanted to call BS on such a troll scroll, but at the same time my only grounds for not agreeing with it was with how anti-RP it was. What's dead is dead and I left it at that. As time went on, I kept track of the swords and their owners in my own lurking manners to keep up with current events and be in the know, y'know? Due to my old age (not really, just my excuse) I forget the order of owners and just about anything else except the fact that sword movement began to dwindle (which, in its defense, so did everything else that was an "official claim") until it just halted at least over a year ago. I remember the vacancy of seats and how shoddy tryouts for seats were done, but they tried to show sign of activity, all without really getting things done.
TL;DR for this: New resource was implemented that secured other resources to the point that nothing could really be done. Due to this security, nothing was done.
In regards to inactivity:
I've had run-ins with Mioku and Shigeo and questioning how swords are distributed and from them both I understood one thing: swords could be taken the same way they are received: fight for them and prove yourself. Although they specified swordsmen could apply for seats, they did not specify that sword holders needed to be seated. Validation of that came when I asked Mioku if challenging for swords was possible. He said yes, they were and, much like bijuu fights, required proper requests. So off I went, requesting to fight for his Needle (the sword). That's where the mess-up happened -- that's where I realized how bad of an idea it was to involve Kiri in RP. That's where I realized that the pre-requisite to be an elite Kiri shinobi is to be very busy with life. I never got my fight, even though I proposed it to Mioku as I should have. I never got my fight even though I kept following up time and time again as I was asked to do. Eventually, I never got a response as he pulled an Avatar Aang and vanished.
TL;DR for this one: Kiri abides by the rules in the sense that they will instruct you on proper networks and protocols (hoops and bounds) needed to go through, but fail to tell you that part of the challenge is to play the waiting game until you lose.
My point:
Changes need to be made. If not by Kiri's Kage, then by us as a community. Lack of RP and the waiting game until we give up caring is not the way to go about this (see: Chapter "Kirigakure", Section "Bijuu challenges", word: "lol".) Consider how suddenly active the sword's RP and talk about the swords is now that Bocc is involved. Why not be progressive with this new-found activity and push for something new and revitalizing? After all, if you want to get something done, make it someone else's problem. That's exactly what Bocc is doing.
TL;DR for all of the above: we need to work something out collectively if we cannot rely on Kiri. That's what us as a community have as a responsibility of doing.
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SSM scroll being voided by popular vote:
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,7988.0.html
Inactivity topic about claimed things:
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8419.45.html
SSM scroll.
In that topic I sent it to a lot of the members who had ties to SSM. Isaribi, being the apparent leader at that time said he would fix the scroll. Something he has not done and never will do. Mioku and everyone else, as you can read, was sent a link to that topic. It was voted that it HAD to be modified. Still waiting.
Inactivity topic.
No vote was taken in that topic, I should have. The main consensus was that an inactivity rule of 60/90 days dependent on who you are would be implemented. Now you can argue that you weren't there to discuss it. Well you weren't not able to be there either. Obviously next time I will mass send out the link to people. Even if you use the argument that you didn't agree to it as I recall when it happened Yumei lost a lot of his claims. Various people did and not a damn thing was said. At all. You were all fine with it. Had the ability to see the change and speak up about it on the WIki. But you didn't. Why? Cause it didn't mess with your toys. By letting it happen you voted FOR it. But now that it's knocking on your door you are all so against it and willing to speak out.
The above two topics provide the means we used to take the swords. The scroll being voted void and the inactivity rule about CANON items. If you guys made the swords I wouldn't try to take them.
As it is now one main issue is your disdain for Bocc and his for you. That's the admin battle for you guys. I'm not really here to speak about that as I could care less really.
The other issue is us claiming the SSM swords which I am here to speak about. Kiri doesn't own the swords. You're saying cause they're in the scroll that they are Kiri's, but the scroll is VOID. The inactivity rule is IN EFFECT. If you don't agree to the inactivity rule then make a topic and make a poll. We'll see what happens if you really want.
I didn't message Xia about it cause as he stated in the topic the last time and this time he has no say over the swords. I didn't send anything to anyone cause from what I saw we were in the right to do this.
Kiri has had the swords for years gathering dust. THAT IS A FACT. You sit on the swords and claim them to be Kiri's. This is an rp site. The fact that you claim to be able to take these swords out of rp for as long as you see fit is wrong. The swords will now be used by people.
I'm not going to claim the kusanagi only as Oto's or any of that nonsense because I encourage rp to be done. Kiri wouldn't agree to anything regarding the swords being given to anyone outside of Kiri.
Please stop harassing each other. It's a pain in the ass to read over when I and others come across it. Should be able to debate without calling each other out. Bury your hate of each other and contribute to the topic. Instead of just adding fuel to said hate and making the topic yet another plague pos.
Last part.
The swords need something to be done with them. I'm willing to talk to Kiri about it. But I will not sit idle and let you keep them out of RP as you see fit.
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I'm on my phone right now so I can't get it but imagine the citizen Kane applause gif right here for shadow and Rai. You beautiful bastards.
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I've said this before, I do not control the SSM swords. Its not my authority because the SSM is its own branch in Kiri.
I've had run-ins with Mioku and Shigeo and questioning how swords are distributed and from them both I understood one thing: swords could be taken the same way they are received: fight for them and prove yourself. Although they specified swordsmen could apply for seats, they did not specify that sword holders needed to be seated. Validation of that came when I asked Mioku if challenging for swords was possible. He said yes, they were and, much like bijuu fights, required proper requests. So off I went, requesting to fight for his Needle (the sword). That's where the mess-up happened -- that's where I realized how bad of an idea it was to involve Kiri in RP. That's where I realized that the pre-requisite to be an elite Kiri shinobi is to be very busy with life. I never got my fight, even though I proposed it to Mioku as I should have. I never got my fight even though I kept following up time and time again as I was asked to do. Eventually, I never got a response as he pulled an Avatar Aang and vanished.
I never knew about this though, which again, no one tells me anything until after it has happened and who knows for how long......
I didn't message Xia about it cause as he stated in the topic the last time and this time he has no say over the swords. I didn't send anything to anyone cause from what I saw we were in the right to do this.
You're wrong about that. I may have no control over them, but they are part of Kiri's history in which I should be made aware of the loss of the swords or anything of the sort. Again, no notification to which I can take action on because i'm left twiddling my thumbs.
I'm not going to claim the kusanagi only as Oto's or any of that nonsense because I encourage rp to be done. Kiri wouldn't agree to anything regarding the swords being given to anyone outside of Kiri.
Oh yea like I wouldn't encourage the idea of RP.... Thanks for asking me in the meantime because now the sole fact you left me out of anything just serves my purpose of why there is corruption here.
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No one was left out. I don't have to warn you I'm going to enforce the rules. We're wise to Kiri's game Xia. If we had told you to do something about it or we'd take the swords maybe something actually would have been done. It would take you months to find the swords new owners, after that they'd belong to one of them same 5-6 Kiri nin for a few months till that person decides to vanish for 6 months again. Then we'd be right back to where we started, just like every time you were called out on bijuu stuff.
If it wasn't completely ignored you make some pittance of a gesture that you're gonna follow the rules and when it comes up the next time you get challenged you do the same thing again and we have the same argument again and you exasperatedly sigh and say you'll do something about it again, and repeat ad nauseam. And rai just told us what we already knew that has been happening all along.
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Yea no warning as Shadow said and leave me out of the know is something I could have tried fixing, but as you claimed you illegally did things on your wiki post. And what did I do when a conflict came up with the bijuu? I found someone who I knew at the time was active, but their activity is theirs alone, not mine because I don't have to be active when I own nothing. Your comments prove nothing.
Also, you have more than one way to reach me, yet you didn't bother trying. Use your freaking resources instead of relying on PMs. And I just said prior to this post, I didn't know the swords were being challenged. Don't put blame on me for stuff I had no knowledge about, especially when it comes to activity in Kiri that I could have tried looking to resolve. Stuff like this is gonna piss me off right now, so i'm hopping off.
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Xia just to be clear my post wasn't meant for you personally, but odds are no one but you and Dart from Kiri are ever going to see any of this. Kiri hates using the forums.
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Xia just to be clear my post wasn't meant for you personally, but odds are no one but you and Dart from Kiri are ever going to see any of this. Kiri hates using the forums.
Yea and you can see why now when all this kind of bs happens, but I still hop on here from time to time since I need to check stuff out if there are changes or things I should know.
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Xia just to be clear my post wasn't meant for you personally, but odds are no one but you and Dart from Kiri are ever going to see any of this. Kiri hates using the forums.
Yea and you can see why now when all this kind of bs happens, but I still hop on here from time to time since I need to check stuff out if there are changes or things I should know.
"This kind of bs" is not the forum's fault... It's the SSM's... Don't rag on the forum because you're pissed about what's going on...
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I just imagine Xia as the "This is bs you can't ground Spider-Man" meme. Because now that people are coming out and saying yeah this is what's been going on just forever now he's got nothing to say but this is bs.
It isn't. But even if it was, good, it's not my fault you can't take bs as well as you dish it out. So other then the fact that you could get me banned for talking to you around a block I didn't talk to you because I don't trust you. Id have to be an idiot to trust a Kiri nin to do anything but lie through their teeth to pacify me while some facade of lawfulness is erected only to be torn down and back to business as usual as soon as the investigation is over.
Why do you think people think this about your village man? Do you think I just went around telling people lies about how bad Kiri is and they just bought it? No! You've messed with every one of them over the years, your village that is. I trust maybe Mioku, a little, that's it.
You build your own reputation man. For every time someone has lied about something I did I actually did do some asshole thing to make up for it. So maybe you should think about that and maybe consider just why all these people seem to have stories about how Kiri can't be trusted and was giving them the run around.
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I just imagine Xia as the "This is bs you can't ground Spider-Man" meme. Because now that people are coming out and saying yeah this is what's been going on just forever now he's got nothing to say but this is bs.
It isn't. But even if it was, good, it's not my fault you can't take bs as well as you dish it out. So other then the fact that you could get me banned for talking to you around a block I didn't talk to you because I don't trust you. Id have to be an idiot to trust a Kiri nin to do anything but lie through their teeth to pacify me while some facade of lawfulness is erected only to be torn down and back to business as usual as soon as the investigation is over.
Why do you think people think this about your village man? Do you think I just went around telling people lies about how bad Kiri is and they just bought it? No! You've messed with every one of them over the years, your village that is. I trust maybe Mioku, a little, that's it.
You build your own reputation man. For every time someone has lied about something I did I actually did do some asshole thing to make up for it. So maybe you should think about that and maybe consider just why all these people seem to have stories about how Kiri can't be trusted and was giving them the run around.
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For every time someone has lied about something I did I actually did do some asshole thing to make up for it.
And this is where you are being petitioned. You can't be an admin and take it out on someone when you feel someone did you wrong. That is not how that works. You are in a professional spot to uphold that wiki and keep unbiased decisions from affecting the whole community. You failed as a whole to do so, so now you should relinquish your position.
And a little background to this, I know what its like to deal with situations like this, but I would rather make a decision that is correct instead of doing something out of spite.
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For every time someone has lied about something I did I actually did do some asshole thing to make up for it.
And this is where you are being petitioned. You can't be an admin and take it out on someone when you feel someone did you wrong. That is not how that works. You are in a professional spot to uphold that wiki and keep unbiased decisions from affecting the whole community. You failed as a whole to do so, so now you should relinquish your position.
And a little background to this, I know what its like to deal with situations like this, but I would rather make a decision that is correct instead of doing something out of spite.
I want to clarify beforehand because when most people say it these days they mean it to be funny, but I'm being sincere. I'm not mad at you, I'm just disappointed. How are you not embarrassed with yourself man? I used to think that you were somewhat of a straight shooter, that you weren't at least made completely out of lies, denial and spite like Isaribi. I see I was mistaken.
You latch onto one irrelevant point in my post, literally cutting the rest off, to avoid having to even broach the idea that Kiri could be wrong, that your behavior could have caused some of your problems. We've all been asses, every one of us, by that logic none of us are qualified to be admin and it should go to someone like Bec who hasn't been here long enough to tick anyone off.
This whole fiasco you've caused is pathetic, and your behavior is pitiable. You can have Nuibari and Kabuto-Wari back, I don't want them anymore. Shadow or Ryoji can have the scroll, which ever one grabs it first. If you want the other two swords back make a topic about getting Ryoji banned or Shadow deported or something, I honestly don't have any floor on my opinion of how low you'll go at this point.
I have nothing further to say to you so you are blocked, both here and on SL, please don't try and contact me on either or I will report it for harassment. You're also banned on the wiki for one week for edit warring.
I thought you were better than this.
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For every time someone has lied about something I did I actually did do some asshole thing to make up for it.
And this is where you are being petitioned. You can't be an admin and take it out on someone when you feel someone did you wrong. That is not how that works. You are in a professional spot to uphold that wiki and keep unbiased decisions from affecting the whole community. You failed as a whole to do so, so now you should relinquish your position.
And a little background to this, I know what its like to deal with situations like this, but I would rather make a decision that is correct instead of doing something out of spite.
I want to clarify beforehand because when most people say it these days they mean it to be funny, but I'm being sincere. I'm not mad at you, I'm just disappointed. How are you not embarrassed with yourself man? I used to think that you were somewhat of a straight shooter, that you weren't at least made completely out of lies, denial and spite like Isaribi. I see I was mistaken.
You latch onto one irrelevant point in my post, literally cutting the rest off, to avoid having to even broach the idea that Kiri could be wrong, that your behavior could have caused some of your problems. We've all been asses, every one of us, by that logic none of us are qualified to be admin and it should go to someone like Bec who hasn't been here long enough to tick anyone off.
This whole fiasco you've caused is pathetic, and your behavior is pitiable. You can have Nuibari and Kabuto-Wari back, I don't want them anymore. Shadow or Ryoji can have the scroll, which ever one grabs it first. If you want the other two swords back make a topic about getting Ryoji banned or Shadow deported or something, I honestly don't have any floor on my opinion of how low you'll go at this point.
I have nothing further to say to you so you are blocked, both here and on SL, please don't try and contact me on either or I will report it for harassment. You're also banned on the wiki for one week for edit warring.
I thought you were better than this.
No Bocchiere, I thought you were better then this when it came to being Admin on the wiki. I don't try to cause a ruckus like you have caused by claiming the SSM swords for you and your buddies. That is just wrong. I blocked you in the first place because I don't like the kind of blatant bs you pulled in the past, and yet nothing has changed about you. I call it for what it is, and you are nothing but a bad admin.
Call me pathetic or whatever you will, but you are acting like a child right now with your behavior and it really shows the whole side about you. I don't care about even messaging you, so keep me blocked all you want as it makes my day better.
I think this is also getting out of hand now with personal insults now, so please lock this topic.