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Game Development => New Features => Topic started by: Neji on November 05, 2006, 10:54:51 AM
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Now, additionally to being good or evil, you have another attribute here: demeanor
This means if you follow the laws, hold your promise, are trustworthy, etc --> lawful
or if you generally don't care for such things and do as you please --> chaotic
if you are in between: neutral
Note that the good-evil also applies here...
A lawful evil guy will hold his promise once given, but exact and literally...if he did promise to bring you safely to the other shore, he will do. But if there are 20 monsters ready to hurt you, he will shake your hand and depart, as he has done as promised.
The good guy will maybe fight with him or transport him elsewhere safe.
Etc Etc.
If you want to know more, here is something for D&D 3rd Edition:
This material is Open Game Content, and is licensed for public use under the terms of the Open Game License v1.0a.
DESCRIPTION
ALIGNMENT
A creature’s general moral and personal attitudes are represented by its alignment: lawful good, neutral good, chaotic good, lawful neutral, neutral, chaotic neutral, lawful evil, neutral evil, or chaotic evil.
Alignment is a tool for developing your character’s identity. It is not a straitjacket for restricting your character. Each alignment represents a broad range of personality types or personal philosophies, so two characters of the same alignment can still be quite different from each other. In addition, few people are completely consistent.
GOOD VS. EVIL
Good characters and creatures protect innocent life. Evil characters and creatures debase or destroy innocent life, whether for fun or profit.
“Good” implies altruism, respect for life, and a concern for the dignity of sentient beings. Good characters make personal sacrifices to help others.
“Evil” implies hurting, oppressing, and killing others. Some evil creatures simply have no compassion for others and kill without qualms if doing so is convenient. Others actively pursue evil, killing for sport or out of duty to some evil deity or master.
People who are neutral with respect to good and evil have compunctions against killing the innocent but lack the commitment to make sacrifices to protect or help others. Neutral people are committed to others by personal relationships.
Being good or evil can be a conscious choice. For most people, though, being good or evil is an attitude that one recognizes but does not choose. Being neutral on the good–evil axis usually represents a lack of commitment one way or the other, but for some it represents a positive commitment to a balanced view. While acknowledging that good and evil are objective states, not just opinions, these folk maintain that a balance between the two is the proper place for people, or at least for them.
Animals and other creatures incapable of moral action are neutral rather than good or evil. Even deadly vipers and tigers that eat people are neutral because they lack the capacity for morally right or wrong behavior.
LAW VS. CHAOS
Lawful characters tell the truth, keep their word, respect authority, honor tradition, and judge those who fall short of their duties.
Chaotic characters follow their consciences, resent being told what to do, favor new ideas over tradition, and do what they promise if they feel like it.
“Law” implies honor, trustworthiness, obedience to authority, and reliability. On the downside, lawfulness can include close-mindedness, reactionary adherence to tradition, judgmentalness, and a lack of adaptability. Those who consciously promote lawfulness say that only lawful behavior creates a society in which people can depend on each other and make the right decisions in full confidence that others will act as they should.
“Chaos” implies freedom, adaptability, and flexibility. On the downside, chaos can include recklessness, resentment toward legitimate authority, arbitrary actions, and irresponsibility. Those who promote chaotic behavior say that only unfettered personal freedom allows people to express themselves fully and lets society benefit from the potential that its individuals have within them.
Someone who is neutral with respect to law and chaos has a normal respect for authority and feels neither a compulsion to obey nor a compulsion to rebel. She is honest but can be tempted into lying or deceiving others.
Devotion to law or chaos may be a conscious choice, but more often it is a personality trait that is recognized rather than being chosen. Neutrality on the lawful–chaotic axis is usually simply a middle state, a state of not feeling compelled toward one side or the other. Some few such neutrals, however, espouse neutrality as superior to law or chaos, regarding each as an extreme with its own blind spots and drawbacks.
Animals and other creatures incapable of moral action are neutral. Dogs may be obedient and cats free-spirited, but they do not have the moral capacity to be truly lawful or chaotic.
THE NINE ALIGNMENTS
Nine distinct alignments define all the possible combinations of the lawful–chaotic axis with the good–evil axis. Each alignment description below depicts a typical character of that alignment. Remember that individuals vary from this norm, and that a given character may act more or less in accord with his or her alignment from day to day. Use these descriptions as guidelines, not as scripts.
The first six alignments, lawful good through chaotic neutral, are the standard alignments for player characters. The three evil alignments are for monsters and villains.
Lawful Good, “Crusader”: A lawful good character acts as a good person is expected or required to act. She combines a commitment to oppose evil with the discipline to fight relentlessly. She tells the truth, keeps her word, helps those in need, and speaks out against injustice. A lawful good character hates to see the guilty go unpunished.
Lawful good is the best alignment you can be because it combines honor and compassion.
Neutral Good[/color], “Benefactor”: A neutral good character does the best that a good person can do. He is devoted to helping others. He works with kings and magistrates but does not feel beholden to them..
Neutral good is the best alignment you can be because it means doing what is good without bias for or against order.
Chaotic Good, “Rebel”: A chaotic good character acts as his conscience directs him with little regard for what others expect of him. He makes his own way, but he’s kind and benevolent. He believes in goodness and right but has little use for laws and regulations. He hates it when people try to intimidate others and tell them what to do. He follows his own moral compass, which, although good, may not agree with that of society.
Chaotic good is the best alignment you can be because it combines a good heart with a free spirit.
Lawful Neutral, “Judge”: A lawful neutral character acts as law, tradition, or a personal code directs her. Order and organization are paramount to her. She may believe in personal order and live by a code or standard, or she may believe in order for all and favor a strong, organized government.
Lawful neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you are reliable and honorable without being a zealot.
Neutral, “Undecided”: A neutral character does what seems to be a good idea. She doesn’t feel strongly one way or the other when it comes to good vs. evil or law vs. chaos. Most neutral characters exhibit a lack of conviction or bias rather than a commitment to neutrality. Such a character thinks of good as better than evil—after all, she would rather have good neighbors and rulers than evil ones. Still, she’s not personally committed to upholding good in any abstract or universal way.
Some neutral characters, on the other hand, commit themselves philosophically to neutrality. They see good, evil, law, and chaos as prejudices and dangerous extremes. They advocate the middle way of neutrality as the best, most balanced road in the long run.
Neutral is the best alignment you can be because it means you act naturally, without prejudice or compulsion.
Chaotic Neutral, “Free Spirit”: A chaotic neutral character follows his whims. He is an individualist first and last. He values his own liberty but doesn’t strive to protect others’ freedom. He avoids authority, resents restrictions, and challenges traditions. A chaotic neutral character does not intentionally disrupt organizations as part of a campaign of anarchy. To do so, he would have to be motivated either by good (and a desire to liberate others) or evil (and a desire to make those different from himself suffer). A chaotic neutral character may be unpredictable, but his behavior is not totally random. He is not as likely to jump off a bridge as to cross it.
Chaotic neutral is the best alignment you can be because it represents true freedom from both society’s restrictions and a do-gooder’s zeal.
Lawful Evil, “Dominator”: A lawful evil villain methodically takes what he wants within the limits of his code of conduct without regard for whom it hurts. He cares about tradition, loyalty, and order but not about freedom, dignity, or life. He plays by the rules but without mercy or compassion. He is comfortable in a hierarchy and would like to rule, but is willing to serve. He condemns others not according to their actions but according to race, religion, homeland, or social rank. He is loath to break laws or promises.
This reluctance comes partly from his nature and partly because he depends on order to protect himself from those who oppose him on moral grounds. Some lawful evil villains have particular taboos, such as not killing in cold blood (but having underlings do it) or not letting children come to harm (if it can be helped). They imagine that these compunctions put them above unprincipled villains.
Some lawful evil people and creatures commit themselves to evil with a zeal like that of a crusader committed to good. Beyond being willing to hurt others for their own ends, they take pleasure in spreading evil as an end unto itself. They may also see doing evil as part of a duty to an evil deity or master.
Lawful evil is sometimes called “diabolical,” because devils are the epitome of lawful evil.
Lawful evil is the most dangerous alignment because it represents methodical, intentional, and frequently successful evil.
Neutral Evil, “Malefactor”: A neutral evil villain does whatever she can get away with. She is out for herself, pure and simple. She sheds no tears for those she kills, whether for profit, sport, or convenience. She has no love of order and holds no illusion that following laws, traditions, or codes would make her any better or more noble. On the other hand, she doesn’t have the restless nature or love of conflict that a chaotic evil villain has.
Some neutral evil villains hold up evil as an ideal, committing evil for its own sake. Most often, such villains are devoted to evil deities or secret societies.
Neutral evil is the most dangerous alignment because it represents pure evil without honor and without variation.
Chaotic Evil, “Destroyer”: A chaotic evil character does whatever his greed, hatred, and lust for destruction drive him to do. He is hot-tempered, vicious, arbitrarily violent, and unpredictable. If he is simply out for whatever he can get, he is ruthless and brutal. If he is committed to the spread of evil and chaos, he is even worse. Thankfully, his plans are haphazard, and any groups he joins or forms are poorly organized. Typically, chaotic evil people can be made to work together only by force, and their leader lasts only as long as he can thwart attempts to topple or assassinate him.
Chaotic evil is sometimes called “demonic” because demons are the epitome of chaotic evil.
Chaotic evil is the most dangerous alignment because it represents the destruction not only of beauty and life but also of the order on which beauty and life depend.
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I have a question. Does the current events that we have now have any effect on the new alignment?
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I won't introduce something and it won't be at least "a bit" used.
Yes, some events do now things a bit differently, others don't.
Also, events that were not alignment-active before now are.
In any case: you won't get a message when it is affected ;)
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Cool, now I just need to get my character back to being a Good, law abiding citizen :D This at least gives you a sense of how evil/good you are. Kind of like a point system in some ways :)
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so if im evil i can be lawfull and i wont loose my evil alignment right?
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Yes.
demeanor is treated apart from alignment.
means you can do evil deeds, with no influence on demeanor, and vis a vis.
Yet: normally an action implifies both.
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i don't understand..which "laws" are we talking about?
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Neji, you're making it really hard for me to turn back to good...
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Moi?
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Moi?
You're the programmer...
Are there any events left that wil turn me good?
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So because I'm a destroyer does that give me a boost in anything like everytime I pvp it increases evil (just a thought :twisted: ) or some other boost?
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Only a boost when people are against you... because you might be considered an evil that must be destroyed immediately...
don't expect all stuff to have direct + or - in the game... some things are handled behind the curtains.
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wait i killed a person and it said i became more lawful, so how is killing somebody lawful?
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like in alignment, some minor chances are for random.
you killed a neutral guy, so there is a random chance to what direction you go.
lawful guys kill chaotic guys and become normally more lawful... it's like when ANBU goes out to slay bad guys.
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Neji, you're making it really hard for me to turn back to good...
You got bad luck, eh? Well--looks like you're just gonna have to deal with being evil ^^
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Neji, you're making it really hard for me to turn back to good...
You got bad luck, eh? Well--looks like you're just gonna have to deal with being evil ^^
Don't worry.
It may take me a while, but I got some tips on becoming Good from Kboogi...
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Shouldn't My seal affect myallignment and make me more chaotic.
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Shouldn't My seal affect myallignment and make me more chaotic.
Please leave the fine tuning to me.
One thing: Using a seal is an evil action, but not chaotic. Why? Some people use it calmly... not with full force to slay all living things.
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I got Chaotic Evil :-?, so I'm a "Destroyer" :P... hehehehe I'm very EVIL. :twisted:
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Chaotic is too predictable, full on destruction, while nuetral evil is unpredictable.*helps a old man cross the street, than shoots him with a pistol* :twisted:
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Finds it funny that he is ranked number 1 in evil even though he is Lawfull Evil >> << >>
Me being an enforcer of the law(Mod) must have something to do with that ^.^
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Finds it funny that he is ranked number 1 in evil even though he is Lawfull Evil >> << >>
Me being an enforcer of the law(Mod) must have something to do with that ^.^
an error by me, I fixed it.
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Also, you might want to check out on how people, such as Students and Genin, are Chaotic Evil when I'm Neutral Evil, yet I'm like.. 17 or 19 on the evil list AND Chaotic list.
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Yeah I also found this weird... How a Genin became Chaotic evil and I didn't even reach evil or what would be neutral evil now till jounin.
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an error by me, I fixed it.
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How was it fixed?
It's still there.
MysticLuminary, for example, appears as Chaotic Evil, yet isn't even close to my ranking in the evil/chaotic list(s).
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alignment enhanced eh? nice this will make the game better. Though it would still be weird to see an evil person be lawful and a gud person to be chaotic.
Quote: "Neutral good is the best alignment you can be because it means doing what is good without bias for or against order"
Hmm it actually fits my character, cool!!
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How was it fixed?
It's still there.
MysticLuminary, for example, appears as Chaotic Evil, yet isn't even close to my ranking in the evil/chaotic list(s).
yet he is.
and the ranking has internal numbers... as I said, chaotic is not the same degree of chaotic all the time.
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um... does everyone start off caotic? i logged back on yesterday and i was already caotic... even though i didn't do anything yet :D
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um... does everyone start off caotic? i logged back on yesterday and i was already caotic... even though i didn't do anything yet :D
No, not everyone starts off chaotic. You had to have done something for it to have become chaotic.
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is it easier for the "young ones" to become chaotic. i have noticed that the most chaotic people are chuunin and gennin.
i myself am neutral... and if i haven't became one or the other yet (over 100 oro kills) does that mean my chances for becoming one are slim?
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ermh...im not getting any chaotic and i do lots of chaotic stuff :( my alt was chaotic and i just killed a guy with him...
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There's like no Lawfull people >.<
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^^ all murders and slayers around here, that just roam and do as they please -> chaotic.
ps: all new start neutral. same was after the demeanor was invented: neutral.
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^^ all murders and slayers around here, that just roam and do as they please -> chaotic.
That explains alot then >.< I haven't attacked anyone in a looooong time. Like I can =(
Oh well, atleast I'm ranked 2 in lawful.
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^^ all murders and slayers around here, that just roam and do as they please -> chaotic.
ps: all new start neutral. same was after the demeanor was invented: neutral.
i guess what i dont understand is what i am not doing that is chaotic... :twisted: but that is just something that will be fun to figure out.
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D&D All over agian! Noooooooooo!
Jking!
Thnx NEji!
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..o.o...The demanor thing is really good, Even though Im lawfull ;-; I dont want to be lawful good as a sound nin o.o I suppose it adds more variety to the game and doesent juts amke, good, evil and in between. Excellent Thinking Neji!
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Lool... I'm Chaotic Evil.
Chaotic is the best!! Do whatever you want people!! :twisted:
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Lawful is better. If you got something to say you can try beating me =)
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Lawful is better. If you got something to say you can try beating me =)
I'm Lawful :D I only wish that Neji came out with this new system a day earlier cause then I would have still been a good guy :)
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I'm still Neutral @_@
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LOL
Guess what...
I haven't found any changes yet >>
Besides the new titlt thingy by good.
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I'm chaotic, but I find it difficult to stay chaotic when there aren't many people to kill. As Risuku said the youngsters, have everything going for them since there is a open sea of people to kill for them. As an Kage, closing in on Hokage, the choices are sort of slim and I don't want to attack the same person over and over. :roll:
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Yeah especially if the people you attack are your friends :(
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Yeah especially if the people you attack are your friends :(
If you are really evil, then friendship doesn't mean that much to you... :P
I wonder why I have to be a "she" since I'm Lawful Good.... :shock:
hmm, this means I can pvp evil people & it will not effect my alignment in a negative way, huh.... I can still keep my #1 spot!!!!!
*pulls out his Blade of the Nebula*
We have a lot of "cleansing" to do....
:twisted:
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im very evil but i care about my friends...the ones who i talk more and i know .
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im very evil but i care about my friends...the ones who i talk more and i know .
so if it you have to choose between chaning your alignment by taking out your friend, which one would you do?!
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Taking out my friends of course.
I already took most of them out on halloween >>
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It depends on the friend >> << >>
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i guess i would take out the friend if it was just a game... :twisted: thats why friends help each other :D :D
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SEND THEM DOWN...To shinigami...xD Yeah I want my allingment to be evil and I would kill my best friends character to do it!
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man.. no matter how hard i try to kill players and do evil things.. im still neutral evil. What would happen if you wree chaotic evil with the evil anbu?
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You would only get the good ANB, there is a zero chance of getting the evil ANBU o.o
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*is amazed at how people strive to be evil*
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You would only get the good ANB, there is a zero chance of getting the evil ANBU o.o
not correct.
And for thoe of you who do know how it works, no telling please ^.^
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You would only get the good ANB, there is a zero chance of getting the evil ANBU o.o
not correct.
And for thoe of you who do know how it works, no telling please ^.^
Xaos we all know there is an avil anbu.... no one is actually that dumb as to not know about it
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You would only get the good ANB, there is a zero chance of getting the evil ANBU o.o
not correct.
And for thoe of you who do know how it works, no telling please ^.^
Xaos we all know there is an avil anbu.... no one is actually that dumb as to not know about it
Obviously there are some people who don't know everything about evil Ambu >>
You would only get the good ANB, there is a zero chance of getting the evil ANBU o.o
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You would only get the good ANB, there is a zero chance of getting the evil ANBU o.o
not correct.
And for thoe of you who do know how it works, no telling please ^.^
Xaos we all know there is an avil anbu.... no one is actually that dumb as to not know about it
Obviously there are some people who don't know everything about evil Ambu >>
You would only get the good ANB, there is a zero chance of getting the evil ANBU o.o
i stand corrected...
oh and i see you havent forgotten to mispell words alot^^ i believe its those and anbu not thoe and ambu
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Back on topic...
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Back on topic...
heh srry bout gettin off topic baluski....couldnt resist a chance to make fun of Xaos's spelling
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why is it true neutral sometime ? o.0 man i love this new allignment sometuff
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well, I like it too, because I've noticed since it's came about, I've been getting "good" allignment when I PvP...
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This new alignment system was a very good idea. Props to you Neji.
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Hell yeah! A refreshingly good feature, Neji! So does that mean we can expect the implementation of STR--->CHA stats soon? :cool:
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why is it true neutral sometime ? o.0 man i love this new allignment sometuff
It's probably Neutral neutral
instead of saying that, True neutral is used.
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exactly
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Question:
Does this alignment system influence with the Anbu modules?
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what do you mean?
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Question:
Does this alignment system influence with the Anbu modules?
do you expect an answer?
:D I hope not.
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I means i stopped by Anbu while i tried entering Rice Field or Fire Country..
They said i was working for Akatsuki and having a debt in the bank,then i given 3 options .....
Does the alignment influence the event above?
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do you expect an answer?
:D I hope not.
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I wonder what one can do to change her alignment...me and my sis dropped Akatsuki just to turn good again. Since then we always take good actions, don't attack people who are Good and we give Alms etc, but we are still Lawful Evil...is changing your alignment again that hard? :-?
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:eek:
Who changes his alignment easier?
The evil pickpocket or the fanatic mass-murder?
^^
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:eek:
Who changes his alignment easier?
The evil pickpocket or the fanatic mass-murder?
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The pickpocketer...sooner or later, he'll rob a bank or kill somebody. That'll make him from simply evil to downright demonic. At least the mass murderer is predictable. :roll: :D
I know, I know. We don't smoke anything. Really. :D
Honestly, I didn't think that we were THAT evil...but is there no bottom/limit to it, like a negative points stop or something? Or we are so evil now that it is impossible to turn back? :-?
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it's never impossible to turn back, it's just hard
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No, there is no bottom limit =)
else there would be 100+ guys on "nr. 1 evil" ^^
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No, there is no bottom limit =)
else there would be 100+ guys on "nr. 1 evil" ^^
:o :o :o :o :o
We won't ever turn good again after using Akatsuki for 10+ DK's.... :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
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Awesome, I'm successfully evil :twisted:
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:( thanks for that revealing post into a month old topic.
It really enriched the conversation.
Please revoke your moderator application -_- if you have only such things to contribute.
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Neji is in a bad mood :roll:
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What is your problem?!
This is over 3 months old!
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That was your second useless post to a topic.
You cannot make much more to lose your posting right.
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That was your second useless post to a topic.
You cannot make much more to lose your posting right.
Second? Try tenth or so, I deleted all the other posts.