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Title: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Genesis on November 05, 2016, 03:16:34 AM
Due to a certain someone being very vocal about it (and even threatening to strip the council of the gedo lol), for the very last time, I will call into session the bijuu council. This agenda is concerning the Gedo Mazo.

So, what's the plan?
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Rusaku on November 05, 2016, 03:22:36 AM
1.) Have a GM event where he fights against it and if he wins, he gets it.

2.) If more than one person throws their name into the hat then he fights them, or we have multiple fights. 
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Camel on November 05, 2016, 04:50:06 AM
What if I wanted to throw my hat into the ring? Since I've been vocal about the Gedo mazo for as long as it was hoarded by Kyu then eventually it was given to Warren; who only used it once...I think.

I actually plans for Guruguru that involved the Mazo and the tailed beasts. It was an idea for a final boss that is very similar to Kaguya. except it will be strictly a NPC BBEG. (BBEG = Big Bad Evil Guy/Girl)
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on November 05, 2016, 03:11:48 PM
and then...before Kyu gave it to Warren, he let Hazama use it too.

who is on the council these days anyway? The original players?

I Will point out here, that Athos already called dibs on the thing, so if we...you...are going to let one person rp for it based on first come first served...then it isn't Yujo...

I always felt that until the council decided what to do with the silly thing, that challenges were just jumping the gun and pointless.

And at this point with now 3 known people interested...counting Kamui up there...that first come first served is rather...whoever happens to be online at the time when the council decides what to do with it and happens to make the first post...

rather lame.

I would suggest a free for all.

Announce the sighting of the Gedo Mazo...setting up a thread.
Call for hunters to make opening posts...for one week. to see who shows up, which also sets the order of posting.

then run the RP until one decisive winner rises to the top victorious.

This gets rid of the whole...I was here first...issue.
It insures the most skilled gets it.
It gets rid of favoritism.
And it might even create some interesting RP.

There is something attractive to me about earning the capability of making the 10 tails rather than just handing it out to a claimant.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Rusaku on November 05, 2016, 05:25:46 PM
and then...before Kyu gave it to Warren, he let Hazama use it too.

who is on the council these days anyway? The original players?

I Will point out here, that Athos already called dibs on the thing, so if we...you...are going to let one person rp for it based on first come first served...then it isn't Yujo...

I always felt that until the council decided what to do with the silly thing, that challenges were just jumping the gun and pointless.

And at this point with now 3 known people interested...counting Kamui up there...that first come first served is rather...whoever happens to be online at the time when the council decides what to do with it and happens to make the first post...

rather lame.

I would suggest a free for all.

Announce the sighting of the Gedo Mazo...setting up a thread.
Call for hunters to make opening posts...for one week. to see who shows up, which also sets the order of posting.

then run the RP until one decisive winner rises to the top victorious.

This gets rid of the whole...I was here first...issue.
It insures the most skilled gets it.
It gets rid of favoritism.
And it might even create some interesting RP.

There is something attractive to me about earning the capability of making the 10 tails rather than just handing it out to a claimant.

I agree. I want to see whoever gets it, earn it. As you said, if the person wants the ability to put together the ten tails, then they should be able to earn that power, instead of just being in the right place, at the right time.

I personally would LOOOOOOVEEEE to see a free for all. I wanted to see it in the Biju distribution, but no one else did. I feel like it should be Athos vs Kamui vs Yujo vs Gedo Mazou all in a forum post. That would be a hell of a good read, opposed to everyone just using "Instant" techniques against each other for 5 rounds until someone dies from a technicality. 
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Hitler-Chan on November 05, 2016, 06:20:35 PM
Would love a free for all. ;) Not cause he has already has a legitimate source of 'infinite chakra', a transformation that gives him a 3x multiplier, and a technique that dismantles things on an atomic level, and definitely not because of the Edo zombie spam that he would never use.  It's totally cause he love the thrills of battle with equal opponents.

I can see you..Yeah you, shaking your head. Stop it right now, you elitist. ;P
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Eric on November 06, 2016, 04:42:02 AM
Due to a certain someone being very vocal about it (and even threatening to strip the council of the gedo lol), for the very last time, I will call into session the bijuu council. This agenda is concerning the Gedo Mazo.

So, what's the plan?

Give that someone 8 middle fingers and continue to sit on the manifest until it seems reasonable to hand it out.  8). I'm only half joking, what's the rush on the Mazou, seriously?

Based on the discussion already going on, I actually propose returning the Mazo to a claimed item instead of leaving it as a tailed beast, and then going from there. 'Cause it's not a tailed beast, and truth be told, I think it was only voted on to make it one in order to get it into circulation.

Outside of that suggestion, a free-for-all does sound like a change of pace.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Chinote on November 06, 2016, 06:05:43 AM
Nothing like passive-aggressive temper tantrums to make me want to give someone what they want.

Between my body trying to kill itself, my classes piling up on themselves, and work deciding that I need to cover extra shifts outside of my availability, I neglected to take care of some dumb trophy one of you gets to hold and maybe swing at someone once to prove you have it.

But whatever, just gonna throw my vote to Kay's free-for-all thing.

I'll check in and throw a vote next time ya'll need me.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on November 06, 2016, 02:49:57 PM
Yes Eric. I am also opposed to it being a tailed beast. It was being used as a claimed item by the rules for such things and was only made a bijuu so Bocchiere could get his hands on it through bully tactics and getting like minded people to chime in. I was against it then and if this THEFT is going to be overturned, it should go back to Warren.

It was not right that mob mentality consensus, a bunch of robbers voting it's ok to change the rules so they can get their hands on something, was able to get away with stealing another player's claimed item.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Ѕhadow on November 06, 2016, 07:07:44 PM
So happy I decided not to talk in these topics anymore. Until now just to be smug. Love ya. <3
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Rusaku on November 06, 2016, 07:19:23 PM
Yes Eric. I am also opposed to it being a tailed beast. It was being used as a claimed item by the rules for such things and was only made a bijuu so Bocchiere could get his hands on it through bully tactics and getting like minded people to chime in. I was against it then and if this THEFT is going to be overturned, it should go back to Warren.

It was not right that mob mentality consensus, a bunch of robbers voting it's ok to change the rules so they can get their hands on something, was able to get away with stealing another player's claimed item.

Absolutely not! If you return it to being a claimed item, it will never be seen again. Warrens a cool guy, but he is NEVER going to let anyone have that Mazou. Ever. Just like the Sword of Totsuka, this item will sit and gather dust in someones numerous claims and never see the light of day. You're essentially ending any possibility of several people achieving their goals, and that's ridiculous.

I don't see the appeal of closing down avenues of RP. This situation just makes for being a villain less interesting, because you cannot achieve the final form that was shown in the Canon. I have said it before, and I will say it again: Please stop being biased against Villain characters.   

Even if you tried to create a less biased event where the people who have already displayed interest had the opportunity to fight for it, instead of just giving it to Warren because reasons, it still creates the possibility that whoever does get it, will just hoard it from the rest of the community like Warren did previously. It needs to remain an item that can be challenged for. There is no obvious reason to revert back to the old ways, because there is nothing wrong with what it was made into.

As an obligatory note, I have NO DESIRE to get the Mazou. I got what I want, and now I'm going to enjoy the RP that I can make with it. I'm just trying to defend other tailed beast hosts who have displayed interest in attaining the vessel in order to progress their own villainous plots.   
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Hades on November 06, 2016, 07:52:29 PM
I do have to say, I don't like the idea of claims in general, and so I do want the Mazō to remain in circulation like the beasts.

I am not at all opposed to the free-for-all idea, however, I do want to add this possibility:

Free-for-all style RP events are completely unpredictable as to whether they will or will not create player complaints, for any number of reasons. I have been (pleasantly) surprised by the relative lack of player complaints about how the process of re-distributing the beasts went (once the council had formulated the structure for how this was to be done).

So, I just want to put it out there that for the Mazō, we could follow the same structure as the competition we just had for the beasts. Announce that Athos and Yujo are currently slated to head-to-head, winner takes the Mazō. Allow others to voice if they would also like a shot. Set up a randomized bracket.

I am suggesting this because I think all perceive it to be quite fair and we see minimal-to-no player complaints. It's just another suggestion, because I would also support the free-for-all, I would just bear in mind that the free-for-all may be situation that generates more discontent.

So there's another possibility, that's all. (:
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Warren on November 06, 2016, 08:45:22 PM
Oh please Rusey, don't bring in the whole evil guy bias thing into this, that garbage was just something Bocchi made up to try drive his own goals forward.

All in all there's a rather simple answer to this.

While its an item, its easier to count as a 'beast' because A, organizing reasons, and B, I have a nagging suspicion if its made into an item yet 'challengeable' somebody is sooner or later gonna try use that as an excuse to turn every claimed item/anything into 'challengeable', so its better not to go there at all.

Plus well, its mainly just the same few 'competitive' people that mess with the beasts that have any interest in the thing besides me anyway, so there's no harm letting them brawl over it like rest of the beasts.

Further still, you don't even have to consider me into this IC-wise either, assuming if anyone ever gets to even mention the thing outside of forum without being bogged down by challenges. I never acknowledged having lost the thing to Bocchi in the first place, so you gaiz can do whatever you want with the 'official' mazo, I'm still gonna keep mine >>

And just so you all can be particularly lazy about it if you desire, I'll even make it even easier. If any of you competitives do feel the need to absolutely make up a reason the mazos out and about ownerless, you can just pretend after Kyu disappeared his stuff went to me, except the mazo which somehow got free and went to go about its business on its own, or was commandeered by rogue zetsus or whatever, iunno.

That way nobody has to try character control or claim stuff about anyone, I keep my stuff and mazo, and you guys get your own mazo, and everybodys happy. Well, unless whoever gets it plans to RP with me about it later on, tho I suppose that'll be an issue for me and said person to deal with whenever if ever such an occasion should arise.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Trev on November 06, 2016, 10:27:25 PM
It should absolutely not return to being a claimed item. I don't actually have a problem with doing that, but if you were to do it, it would have been when the mazo was given to the council. You can't say you will redistribute it after the biju, then pull a 180 on everyone.

As for how to redistribute it, if you want to be simple and trouble-free, do the free for all. If you think it should be harder to obtain, you could do in investigation type rp. Leave tons of clues around the SL world that lead to other clues. Have some dead ends thrown in there, and whoever figures out the "location" of the hidden mazo, fights it.

Obviously that method is much harder, but up to you guys.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Camel on November 06, 2016, 11:26:01 PM
I like that a free-for-all was suggested, which is something I am down for. But! After reading the commentaries, one of you basically confirmed one of my fears; hoarding claimed items. (I took the liberty of posting the options for this redistribution at the bottom of my post.)

If Warren wants to claim that he still has his own Gedo Mazo, after this redistribution takes place. By all means, go ahead. I will be blunt and tell you that you're basically becoming what you've been trying to avoid by claiming something, before a discussion is even finished about it. (Creation of All Things? Remember that?)

Ace asked me to keep an eye out and make sure that this whole distribution process goes fairly for everyone. Now I will only ask you this only once, Kayenta and Warren. Do you, no are you going to be fair about this and actually proceed with this process that is currently underway or are you going to go behind everyone's back? Or are we going back to same old thing and basically someone will hoard this summon--yet again.

C'mon! It's not us against you, but you have to admit that it was already getting ridiculous seeing all of these passive-aggressive posts and watching this whole discussion that was going smoothly at first, fall apart. I understand the stigma with 'evil' characters on this game, but we can't let our feelings and grudges with other 'evil' characters get in way of all of this.

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Option 1: Free-for all bracket with all of those who basically want a chance at the Gedo Mazo.
Option 2: We have tournament-style bracket and the winner of it all, gets the Gedo Mazo--after a Gamemaster event is done first by the winner.
Option 3: Same as above, but no gamemaster-style RP will be involved.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Eric on November 06, 2016, 11:50:18 PM

... It was not right that mob mentality consensus...


*cough* democracy, working as intended *cough* And I would be the first to burn before I agree to just giving it back to Warren, or giving it to anyone for relative free.

...This situation just makes for being a villain less interesting, because you cannot achieve the final form that was shown in the Canon...   

What's the point in being a villain anyways? I ask this not sarcastically, but seriously. Except for curse seal and a rap like Bocc, why bother going the route of villain, or even trying to be one? The dark side has a cake filled with lies and calories while the light side has a drink brimming with euphoria and cholesterol.


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Option 1: Free-for all bracket with all of those who basically want a chance at the Gedo Mazo.
Option 2: We have tournament-style bracket and the winner of it all, gets the Gedo Mazo--after a Gamemaster event is done first by the winner.
Option 3: Same as above, but no gamemaster-style RP will be involved.

Option 1. Make sure to have a judge for the event.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Camel on November 07, 2016, 12:39:22 AM
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Option 1. Make sure to have a judge for the event.

I think we will eventually get around to that, it all depends on which option is chosen. Tournament-style brackets will require a judge for each participating match, while a free-for-all will only require one judge.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Warren on November 07, 2016, 01:26:46 AM
Believe we sorted out rest of the misunderstandings Camel, but still no idea what you mean with COAT, so PM'd you about it.

If someone else misunderstood they can PM me in turn.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Genesis on November 07, 2016, 02:17:34 AM
Alright, I feel like the general consensus is that there's gonna be a free-for-all.

Will there be a thread announcing this? How many max occupants? How will order be established? Last man standing or ten post limit and control the flow of battle crap? Etc.?
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Hitler-Chan on November 07, 2016, 02:25:44 AM
I think if anyone else was going to speak up, they would have. Athos hasn't spoken on this topic, or the other one, at all, so we can assume he doesn't care anymore. Auto-giving him a spot in the tourney seems silly considering he hasn't voiced an opinion about the thing in months.

I say 4 person max, 4 week time limit, 48 hours being the max time a participant can take to make a post before immediate DQ. Randomize the post order so there aren't any immediate advantages to a single person. Agree to the Zone type (Zone 6), and pick a judge that has shown to be fair and unbiased.

If neither Trev or Shadow have any interest in joining, I'd elect one of them to the role, though that kind of shit-show would be a goddamned headache, so I doubt they'd necessarily want to, but to start circulating names, I'm game for them.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on November 07, 2016, 01:12:31 PM
First of all...

lol

I stated my opinion on the status of the Gedo Mazo being a bijuu instead of an item. That is hardly passive aggressive.

Secondly, I also stated how I wanted to see it be a free for all event.

Thirdly, I am not assuming anything about Athos' desire concerning the Gedo Mazo to be anything other that what it has always been...and that is, that he is quite eager to make it his own.

He often works 60+ hours a week in order to...well same as anyone, to live... while having major health issues at the same time. So his silence certainly is not an indication that we should just assume anything in his mind has changed about wanting this statue. I believe that he is the only one who has actually RP'd using the thing on SL for combat?

So Camel...do not be wondering if I am going to be going behind anyone's back because I openly remind everyone that I am opposed to the current status of the statue. I was very much against what was done and was still the one running the RP for Bocchiere to get it. I was still going to run the open event for the community of people who wished to have it until some pretty rude remarks were made about how I would not be able to manage GMing such an event.

I believe I have shown that regardless of if things go my way or they do not go my way that I am willing to help facilitate the wishes of the community. The current bijuu rules are full of things that I do not like. But it is what was voted upon and there we are. A compliant Kayenta. Everytime.

This does not mean I will keep my voice silent. I will let you know when i do not like something...everytime, same as I have always done.

But it is not about having things my way, but getting people together to decide how things will work, then sticking to those rules.

Currently the Gedo Mazo is in council hands, and whatever they decide to so with it is what I will support. Even when I do not agree.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Hazama on November 07, 2016, 07:12:05 PM
I think if anyone else was going to speak up, they would have. Athos hasn't spoken on this topic, or the other one, at all, so we can assume he doesn't care anymore. Auto-giving him a spot in the tourney seems silly considering he hasn't voiced an opinion about the thing in months.

Gotta love when people put words in your mouth,

like this dick I'm gonna drop in Yujo's.

^ That is how you fail at being passive aggressive, people.

But no, on a serious note, don't try and use me being busy as a reason to exclude me from this. Especially seeing I was the first person to gun for the Mazo when it was up in flames again. Hell, if anything, this is the first time anyone BUT me has shown general interest in the Mazo. And if I didn't know better, part of me would say you're doing it because I showed interest in it. But that would be like me saying the world revolves around me, which is clearly doesn't.

Anyway, I don't care what method is used, though it seems like it is gonna be this Free-For-All choice. Just let me know when it's time to crack some skulls.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Dart Terumī on November 07, 2016, 07:16:29 PM
I believe the FFA would be too messy and would still turn into 1v1 as people tend to single out a specific target in mind whether due to confidence in defeating same individual or from previous affiliation with said individual.

A tournament would be more organized, focused, and overall easier to judge and watch. My vote goes to Tournament.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on November 09, 2016, 05:24:14 PM
So I see the council vote thread is up on this FFA thing. But now we have three contestants, Athos, Yujo, Thecurse...While 20 days seems a good enough time frame, 7 posts per person to the last man standing seems a bit short sighted.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Camel on November 09, 2016, 07:13:43 PM
Forgot to mention that I am throwing my hat in the ring. Not a 'what if?' from me, but more of a confirmation that I will *try* to earn the Gedo Mazo in a fair manner. That and I have to keep myself busy, can't be getting rusty with zone/bijuu fights. :oops:
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Dart Terumī on November 09, 2016, 09:02:21 PM
So I see the council vote thread is up on this FFA thing. But now we have three contestants, Athos, Yujo, Thecurse...While 20 days seems a good enough time frame, 7 posts per person to the last man standing seems a bit short sighted.

Agreed. Just flesh it out for the full 20 days until someone has overwhelmingly claimed victory.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Hitler-Chan on November 10, 2016, 02:12:09 AM
If we are going to have a FFA, we should have a time limit on how long someone can take to post their reply.

For instance, let's say, each person takes a generous 3 days to post, each. First person posts, if we're lucky two others post on the same day, but the last guy posts the next day.

19 to go.

Guy 1 takes another day to post, 18.
Guy 2 gets a bit busy, 15
Guy three posts next day, 14.
Finally, we get through the first real round of combat after guy 4 posts the next day, 13.

A week goes by and we go through 1 round of combat. And let's be completely honest with each other, not everyone is even going to post an entrance on day one, or two xD

I hate the idea of people being able to put up 4000 character long posts, doing shinigami knows what, stalling till the time is up (Getting busy), then having the judge have nothing else to look at but the Wall of Text no Jutsu you put up and winning because of it. That's not earning, it's rubbish. While I would never accuse any of the other contestants, *cough* athos *cough* Curse *cough* (What? Did you actually think I wasn't going to?), it's a completely viable strategy if allowed, even if done unintentionally.

I say 24 hours is a fair limit, we get through a round of turns every 4 days Max, and give the eventual judge something substantial to work off of when making his decision. And please, don't go through to the 'people have lives' argument. If every other person takes 12 hours or so to post, you've got mad time between your last post, and this one.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on November 10, 2016, 05:08:56 PM
I agree some limiter has to be set cause if not it will eat up the 20 days. But i think 24 hours is too small a time frame. I know it will be impossible for everyone to show up every day for 20 days in a row.

This is not something we even expect from a jinchuriki.

How about saying:

You have 20 days to complete the match.
It would be nice if you posted something everyday.
But if you do not post something in 3 days time, your turn will be skipped.
If we have to skip you a second time, you will forfeit the match.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Trev on November 10, 2016, 06:33:58 PM
I agree some limiter has to be set cause if not it will eat up the 20 days. But i think 24 hours is too small a time frame. I know it will be impossible for everyone to show up every day for 20 days in a row.

This is not something we even expect from a jinchuriki.

How about saying:

You have 20 days to complete the match.
It would be nice if you posted something everyday.
But if you do not post something in 3 days time, your turn will be skipped.
If we have to skip you a second time, you will forfeit the match.

Except, there are what four contestants? If they all take the max time to post (many people do). That's like 1 round or two at most.

If you're going to do a free for fall, extend the days. Like 40-60 day time limit, with a 2-3 (preferably two) timer. Then add in Kay's rule about at first being skipped, then being dq'd. 20 days for 4 or more people won't work.

I know people don't want to wait, but if you want to do it this way, it has to be. Hell, I think SL once waited like half a year for the Nibi to be sealed we can wait 40-60 days.

Also, I don't think the 40 day thing is outrageous. If there were four contestants in a tournament style, there would be at least two matches that lasted two weeks = 28 days.

So your taking the same amount of people, making them fight all at once and giving them 8 less days...
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Camel on November 10, 2016, 06:38:33 PM
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You have 20 days to complete the match.
It would be nice if you posted something everyday.
But if you do not post something in 3 days time, your turn will be skipped.
If we have to skip you a second time, you will forfeit the match.

How about this concept?

- You have twenty days to complete the match.
- Participants must post every forty-eight hours.
- Failure to post within the allotted time-slot is an automatic disqualification. (No skips, if you fail to post. You should've made the time to post and that is that.)
- In a rare event that the match doesn't complete itself within twenty-days and it will fall upon the judge to decide the winner based on kept the flow of battle consistently in their favor, dealt the most damage and was the most counter-productive competitor.

As for character limits like Yujo suggested, that is entirely up to you. The way I see it, if you go over the character limit on the forum and have to make two parts for your posts. You're either a very good roleplayer and can basically be descriptive up to the point that even the minute detail that was missed by your opponent will be turned against them. Or like Yujo said, you have a very twisted strategy of winning by doing a wall of text and basically wasting the judge's time by describing how your clothes are in sync or how the winds of change are blowing in your favor and vice-versa.

I am not particularly fond of making the FFA last a whole month, just because we had to skip someone; thus increasing the duration that this FFA will go on for.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Trev on November 10, 2016, 09:06:20 PM
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You have 20 days to complete the match.
It would be nice if you posted something everyday.
But if you do not post something in 3 days time, your turn will be skipped.
If we have to skip you a second time, you will forfeit the match.

How about this concept?

- You have twenty days to complete the match.
- Participants must post every forty-eight hours.
- Failure to post within the allotted time-slot is an automatic disqualification. (No skips, if you fail to post. You should've made the time to post and that is that.)
- In a rare event that the match doesn't complete itself within twenty-days and it will fall upon the judge to decide the winner based on kept the flow of battle consistently in their favor, dealt the most damage and was the most counter-productive competitor.

As for character limits like Yujo suggested, that is entirely up to you. The way I see it, if you go over the character limit on the forum and have to make two parts for your posts. You're either a very good roleplayer and can basically be descriptive up to the point that even the minute detail that was missed by your opponent will be turned against them. Or like Yujo said, you have a very twisted strategy of winning by doing a wall of text and basically wasting the judge's time by describing how your clothes are in sync or how the winds of change are blowing in your favor and vice-versa.

I am not particularly fond of making the FFA last a whole month, just because we had to skip someone; thus increasing the duration that this FFA will go on for.

Idk Camel. Unless someone clearly wins, it will be hard on a judge. Deciding between two people is hard enough. In both Kurama matches, I judged, the fighters went through about five rounds. 5 Rounds in about 14 days, give or take. For this situation, you get six more days but are doubling the fighters. It'll be hard for a judge to pick a winner.

Under your suggestions, the fight may look like this

Day 1:
Contestant 1 entry post

Day 3:
Contest 2 entry

Day 5:
etc

Day 7:
etc

Day 9:
Contestant one, round one.

Day 11-15
Round one

Not even enough time for two rounds. Though this is a somewhat worst case scenario.


If anything, I think the fourth combatants should get together and decide their own post limits and day limits. It will, after all, affect them the most. Or rather than giving it a day limit; set a post limit of 5-10 rounds. As a  somewhat used judge, 5 rounds is about the min you can get away with for being able to somewhat declare a winner.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Camel on November 10, 2016, 10:38:25 PM
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You have 20 days to complete the match.
It would be nice if you posted something everyday.
But if you do not post something in 3 days time, your turn will be skipped.
If we have to skip you a second time, you will forfeit the match.

How about this concept?

- You have twenty days to complete the match.
- Participants must post every forty-eight hours.
- Failure to post within the allotted time-slot is an automatic disqualification. (No skips, if you fail to post. You should've made the time to post and that is that.)
- In a rare event that the match doesn't complete itself within twenty-days and it will fall upon the judge to decide the winner based on kept the flow of battle consistently in their favor, dealt the most damage and was the most counter-productive competitor.

As for character limits like Yujo suggested, that is entirely up to you. The way I see it, if you go over the character limit on the forum and have to make two parts for your posts. You're either a very good roleplayer and can basically be descriptive up to the point that even the minute detail that was missed by your opponent will be turned against them. Or like Yujo said, you have a very twisted strategy of winning by doing a wall of text and basically wasting the judge's time by describing how your clothes are in sync or how the winds of change are blowing in your favor and vice-versa.

I am not particularly fond of making the FFA last a whole month, just because we had to skip someone; thus increasing the duration that this FFA will go on for.

Idk Camel. Unless someone clearly wins, it will be hard on a judge. Deciding between two people is hard enough. In both Kurama matches, I judged, the fighters went through about five rounds. 5 Rounds in about 14 days, give or take. For this situation, you get six more days but are doubling the fighters. It'll be hard for a judge to pick a winner.

Under your suggestions, the fight may look like this

Day 1:
Contestant 1 entry post

Day 3:
Contest 2 entry

Day 5:
etc

Day 7:
etc

Day 9:
Contestant one, round one.

Day 11-15
Round one

Not even enough time for two rounds. Though this is a somewhat worst case scenario.


If anything, I think the fourth combatants should get together and decide their own post limits and day limits. It will, after all, affect them the most. Or rather than giving it a day limit; set a post limit of 5-10 rounds. As a  somewhat used judge, 5 rounds is about the min you can get away with for being able to somewhat declare a winner.

Actually, if it takes more than two days to post an entrance then it stands for disqualification. By your chart if the first contestant made his entrance post before the other contestants and they don't post before the time slot allotted; well you basically just decided the match right then and there.

Twenty-four hour time slot would also be messy, but it would keep the time span slightly less than twenty days as it stated should last. This limited time slot will be privy to abuse, since anyone can either drop-out and give the other the win or they could have something come up that would take up most of their day; giving the win to the other.

Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Dart Terumī on November 10, 2016, 10:46:01 PM
60 day limit sounds pretty good.

Skipped twice in a round = Disqualification sounds good.

48hr time limit to post sounds good.

With it being 4 contestants, that essentially gives each contestant 15 days to decide the fate of the match, 7 if they extend the 48 hrs to the max. That's enough meat to really allow a judge to actually judge.

It isn't like anyone is going anywhere soon with the Gedo Mazo in RP so why not make it longer?
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Trev on November 10, 2016, 10:58:47 PM
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You have 20 days to complete the match.
It would be nice if you posted something everyday.
But if you do not post something in 3 days time, your turn will be skipped.
If we have to skip you a second time, you will forfeit the match.

How about this concept?

- You have twenty days to complete the match.
- Participants must post every forty-eight hours.
- Failure to post within the allotted time-slot is an automatic disqualification. (No skips, if you fail to post. You should've made the time to post and that is that.)
- In a rare event that the match doesn't complete itself within twenty-days and it will fall upon the judge to decide the winner based on kept the flow of battle consistently in their favor, dealt the most damage and was the most counter-productive competitor.

As for character limits like Yujo suggested, that is entirely up to you. The way I see it, if you go over the character limit on the forum and have to make two parts for your posts. You're either a very good roleplayer and can basically be descriptive up to the point that even the minute detail that was missed by your opponent will be turned against them. Or like Yujo said, you have a very twisted strategy of winning by doing a wall of text and basically wasting the judge's time by describing how your clothes are in sync or how the winds of change are blowing in your favor and vice-versa.

I am not particularly fond of making the FFA last a whole month, just because we had to skip someone; thus increasing the duration that this FFA will go on for.

Idk Camel. Unless someone clearly wins, it will be hard on a judge. Deciding between two people is hard enough. In both Kurama matches, I judged, the fighters went through about five rounds. 5 Rounds in about 14 days, give or take. For this situation, you get six more days but are doubling the fighters. It'll be hard for a judge to pick a winner.

Under your suggestions, the fight may look like this

Day 1:
Contestant 1 entry post

Day 3:
Contest 2 entry

Day 5:
etc

Day 7:
etc

Day 9:
Contestant one, round one.

Day 11-15
Round one

Not even enough time for two rounds. Though this is a somewhat worst case scenario.


If anything, I think the fourth combatants should get together and decide their own post limits and day limits. It will, after all, affect them the most. Or rather than giving it a day limit; set a post limit of 5-10 rounds. As a  somewhat used judge, 5 rounds is about the min you can get away with for being able to somewhat declare a winner.

Actually, if it takes more than two days to post an entrance then it stands for disqualification. By your chart if the first contestant made his entrance post before the other contestants and they don't post before the time slot allotted; well you basically just decided the match right then and there.

Twenty-four hour time slot would also be messy, but it would keep the time span slightly less than twenty days as it stated should last. This limited time slot will be privy to abuse, since anyone can either drop-out and give the other the win or they could have something come up that would take up most of their day; giving the win to the other.

My chart assumes a post order, and not someone randomly starts it, and the other 3 have two days to jump in.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Camel on November 11, 2016, 08:37:16 PM
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My chart assumes a post order, and not someone randomly starts it, and the other 3 have two days to jump in.

Oh really? I could've sworn that taking your time for an entrance post, really should count towards a disqualification. That and attacking in the same entrance post, which I've seen on here.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Hazama on November 11, 2016, 08:48:44 PM
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My chart assumes a post order, and not someone randomly starts it, and the other 3 have two days to jump in.

That and attacking in the same entrance post, which I've seen on here.

Taking any action in the first post, I hate that stuff so much x.x
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Trev on November 12, 2016, 07:04:34 AM
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My chart assumes a post order, and not someone randomly starts it, and the other 3 have two days to jump in.

Oh really? I could've sworn that taking your time for an entrance post, really should count towards a disqualification. That and attacking in the same entrance post, which I've seen on here.

I could be wrong, but I still believe you got whatever the post limit is to post your entrance post (in this situation, 2 days.) Unless the contestants agree to a start date and say they need to post that day. Else someone could just start the fight thread on a day that doesn't exactly work for the opponents. I've seen many a fight where the two foes didn't exactly post an entry post on the same day, and were several days apart, but under a week.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on November 12, 2016, 01:37:21 PM
I find that setting a number of posts, or setting a number of days for the whole event to be completed really isn't required. It takes as long as it takes, the fight going on until one emerges victorious could be quite interesting.

To set the limiter on how long a person has to post is the real issue, to keep it active and moving along. But as long as fighting is going on, I do not really see an issue with how long it takes. Rping actively is the main goal. Why have a dead line for how long it takes to achieve a victory?

Entrance posts typically are just supposed to be for showing up. Period. If An announcement is made for the event to take place, and a council member makes the thread on that date, then the posting order could be set by first come first served basis after that point.

To keep the starting date being a bad day for someone, the time limiter of 48 hours could work for the entrance post too. Just in case.
Title: Re: Agenda #5: Gedo Mazo
Post by: Hitler-Chan on November 12, 2016, 09:10:32 PM
I find that setting a number of posts, or setting a number of days for the whole event to be completed really isn't required. It takes as long as it takes, the fight going on until one emerges victorious could be quite interesting.

To set the limiter on how long a person has to post is the real issue, to keep it active and moving along. But as long as fighting is going on, I do not really see an issue with how long it takes. Rping actively is the main goal. Why have a dead line for how long it takes to achieve a victory?

Entrance posts typically are just supposed to be for showing up. Period. If An announcement is made for the event to take place, and a council member makes the thread on that date, then the posting order could be set by first come first served basis after that point.

To keep the starting date being a bad day for someone, the time limiter of 48 hours could work for the entrance post too. Just in case.

Completely disagree with a lot said here.

I've been apart of these type of things, and I have no intention in sitting here for the next 5 months waiting for people to figure out how to not die, while also scum up the rest of the battlefield. Aside from that, no, you're quite wrong about the 'goal' here; this thread isn't called the "Agenda #69: Activity", it's about the Gedo Mazo, and who it will be distributed to. The activity between 4 people in an OOC event, on a Forum of a re-skinned Forum called Shinobilegends means nadda. The goal here, and I think I can speak for everyone participating (feel free to correct me), is to beat up some kids, and take the statue for later use.

Sorry not sorry if I come off aggressive, but it's not your time you are talking about being so free, and 'interesting'. If you were involved in the RP, I'd gladly rally the other participants to vote against that suggestion, but even so, I don't think I would have had to.

48 post limit. ~30 Days. 2 skips = DQ. No further questions your honor.