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Roleplay => All That Is Bijuu => Bijuu Arena => Topic started by: Hazama on January 15, 2015, 11:11:24 PM

Title: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 15, 2015, 11:11:24 PM
As a Jinchuuriki, it's in my rights to completely refuse the challenge of someone I refuse to communicate with OOC.

My reasons are that not only has this person caused a lot of OOC personal drama, but also done damage to the lives around me. That's all I'm going to say on the matter, because I wish not to tear open old scars.

If this is not allowed, well, that's just wrong then.

And for reference, this person is Uzumaki 一族Yujō/Seiryōku, Yoshiro.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Eric on January 15, 2015, 11:30:50 PM
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8275.15.html

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8308.msg218577.html#msg218577

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8285.0.html

In case those do not make my current opinion on the matter clear, I will provide a brief:

No, you cannot refuse a biju challenge on the basis that you two cannot get along.

Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 15, 2015, 11:35:11 PM
All due respect, you are failing to understand this goes far beyond 'We don't get along'.

He destroyed the life of a friend of mine, as well as my own. That goes far, far beyond not getting along.

He is no one I want to be even remotely involved with. The rules may say something about not getting along, but this would not be fair in this case.

Would you want to go to the same dinner party as the dude who stabbed your sister sixteen times just because your parents told you to get along?
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Ѕhadow on January 15, 2015, 11:36:19 PM
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8275.15.html

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8308.msg218577.html#msg218577

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8285.0.html

In case those do not make my current opinion on the matter clear, I will provide a brief:

No, you cannot refuse a biju challenge on the basis that you two cannot get along.

We need to find the line of not getting along in most cases it has been where the two just won't agree and mild name calling and arguing is involved.

With that being said, correct me if memory fails, Yujo's and Hazama's not getting along is to the level of personal issues. Not just 'hey douchebag I no like you'.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Eric on January 15, 2015, 11:38:00 PM
All due respect, you are failing to understand this goes far beyond 'We don't get along'.

He destroyed the life of a friend of mine, as well as my own. That goes far, far beyond not getting along.

He is no one I want to be even remotely involved with. The rules may say something about not getting along, but this would not be fair in this case.

Would you want to go to the same dinner party as the dude who stabbed your sister sixteen times just because your parents told you to get along?

Yeah, so I could stab him thirty-two times.

All joking aside, if there is a real RL issue going on between the two of you, then it transcends what we've dealt with up to this point. I'm a tad skeptical though that that is the case though, being an outsider looking in.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 15, 2015, 11:41:26 PM
http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8275.15.html

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8308.msg218577.html#msg218577

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8285.0.html

In case those do not make my current opinion on the matter clear, I will provide a brief:

No, you cannot refuse a biju challenge on the basis that you two cannot get along.

We need to find the line of not getting along in most cases it has been where the two just won't agree and mild name calling and arguing is involved.

With that being said, correct me if memory fails, Yujo's and Hazama's not getting along is to the level of personal issues. Not just 'hey douchebag I no like you'.

Inside and outside the game.

It's on the level of extreme personal issues and it's been a long time standing. I cannot and will not even speak to him because of what happened, and I say that strongly.

If this needs to become a big topic to decide, then so be it. But my issues with him are not only on SL but I also have him blocked on all medias outside SL, for the most part. This extends much farther than just here.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Ѕhadow on January 15, 2015, 11:43:49 PM
All due respect, you are failing to understand this goes far beyond 'We don't get along'.

He destroyed the life of a friend of mine, as well as my own. That goes far, far beyond not getting along.

He is no one I want to be even remotely involved with. The rules may say something about not getting along, but this would not be fair in this case.

Would you want to go to the same dinner party as the dude who stabbed your sister sixteen times just because your parents told you to get along?

Yeah, so I could stab him thirty-two times.

All joking aside, if there is a real RL issue going on between the two of you, then it transcends what we've dealt with up to this point. I'm a tad skeptical though that that is the case though, being an outsider looking in.

Eric, really? You're joking about a friend getting stabbed?

YOU DO NOT joke about that. Honestly what is wrong with you?

He should not be made to fight against Yujo under any circumstances.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 15, 2015, 11:44:51 PM
-Notes- Not even sure what I did, I know I have a slight tendency of being an ass, but Hazama (Insert Real name)  and I have been friends for years, I come back today/yesterday and he is totally salty about something that is apparently so horrible it destroyed someone. I think I would remember if I had done something of that sort, but I don't...So, that being said, if Athos would un-ignore me, we can make an attempt to proceed in an orderly fashion. At this point I care more about hearing what horrible thing I did than the damn bijuu, though my challenge is still pending.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 15, 2015, 11:53:58 PM
This is my only time commenting directly on your words, because otherwise, I will not be able to keep my personal feelings at bay.

I refuse to speak to you, point, blank, period. There is no ifs, ands, or buts about that.

I will also not put my personal business, or that of my friend's, here in public for any wandering eyes to see.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 15, 2015, 11:57:31 PM
Well buddy ol' pal, it seems then it's gonna be a really quiet fight. Or a silent stripping~ (Kind of like the sound of that) Whatever the case may be, the forum post where I begin stripping you begins now. Have a nice day.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Ѕhadow on January 15, 2015, 11:58:42 PM
Well buddy ol' pal, it seems then it's gonna be a really quiet fight. Or a silent stripping~ (Kind of like the sound of that) Whatever the case may be, the forum post where I begin stripping you begins now. Have a nice day.

Don't open a strip post so soon. Jumping the gun by a mile. Let others input on here first and talk, etc.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 12:01:51 AM
What other input could be added to help his point? Eric wrote it out quite eloquently, (as per usual), and he still refuses. At this point, he hasn't tried to resolve the issue, and we all know he doesn't plan to. It is as simple as that. But because I respect the process, I'll wait.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Nathan on January 16, 2015, 12:05:36 AM
In my opinion, if you can't deal with someone then don't be a host. I tried this same thing when Bocc' challenged me for the Four-Tails so many years ago and was told no. I still fought Bocc'. Twice. So, yeah either fight him or give him the Bijuu.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Kage on January 16, 2015, 12:07:12 AM
Have someone else volunteer as tribute.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 16, 2015, 12:14:24 AM
I want to have this said, just in case the people of SL decide to try and make a final decision and I may not be around;

I will fight Yujo if NO OTHER POSSIBLE WAY can come about this, I'll have no choice. But only if there is a middle man or sorts. I refuse to directly interact with him, and I think that is more than fair.

But I'd truly rather not fight him.

And Nate, your issue with Bocchiere fell simply under 'we don't get along when we talk' as it's been stated, several times, this is far beyond that.

But also, last I checked, Isaribi did not have to accept Bocchiere's challenges because 'They do not get along' and that is simply find and dandy, unless I'm mistaken.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 12:17:12 AM
So...Time and place?
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Eric on January 16, 2015, 12:17:37 AM
All due respect, you are failing to understand this goes far beyond 'We don't get along'.

He destroyed the life of a friend of mine, as well as my own. That goes far, far beyond not getting along.

He is no one I want to be even remotely involved with. The rules may say something about not getting along, but this would not be fair in this case.

Would you want to go to the same dinner party as the dude who stabbed your sister sixteen times just because your parents told you to get along?

Yeah, so I could stab him thirty-two times.

All joking aside, if there is a real RL issue going on between the two of you, then it transcends what we've dealt with up to this point. I'm a tad skeptical though that that is the case though, being an outsider looking in.

Eric, really? You're joking about a friend getting stabbed?

YOU DO NOT joke about that. Honestly what is wrong with you?

He should not be made to fight against Yujo under any circumstances.

You are acting like someone actually got stabbed.  :-? And if someone was and that is what this is about, how was I supposed to know that from Hazama's post?  :evil:

If you were talking about an actual RL event, then I apologize for making a joke of it.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 12:18:47 AM
I didn't stab anybody >> I mean who stabs somebody and leaves witnesses? (Totally going on my bio page)
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Eric on January 16, 2015, 12:23:18 AM
I didn't stab anybody >> I mean who stabs somebody and leaves witnesses? (Totally going on my bio page)

Do not make light of this situation. It is clear at this point that this is not just some joke.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 12:25:31 AM
He's being completely irrational. He and I have feuded in the past, anyone who knows him knows he can be moody at times, but this is ridiculous, and if he is going to continuously accuse me of something without offering what I did, or some sort of proof of the occurrence, then whatever he is so hung up on has no weight to it. A simple accusation, and it means nothing.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Warren on January 16, 2015, 02:11:41 AM
Being so disgusted of someone you get even physically sick from being forced to deal with them is actually real/possible, been there done that. Not a clue what went down though so can't really comment on that regard.

Can however say if it legit is some heavy shit, then forcing somebody to do it with a mob mentality would be pretty stupid, especially when considering all the crap for example Machina got about this recently.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Bocchiere on January 16, 2015, 02:20:17 AM
I remember that Kotetsu took issue with having to defend his bijuu against Yujo because of the way he acted. I also had to quit SL for a time and decided to just forfeit out of my fight with Yujo rather than continue to put up with him. Now Hazama has the same issue. How many times does it need to happen for it to officially be a pattern?
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Ace on January 16, 2015, 03:10:49 AM
I remember that Kotetsu took issue with having to defend his bijuu against Yujo because of the way he acted. I also had to quit SL for a time and decided to just forfeit out of my fight with Yujo rather than continue to put up with him. Now Hazama has the same issue. How many times does it need to happen for it to officially be a pattern?

Hm... "patterns" and members having problems with other members, I know quite a few who have messaged me concerning a problem with a few other members. Not a good idea to discuss "patterns" and there are some who may fall victim to that. ;)

I do not like commenting on these types of issues, concerning of role play and bijuu stuff- not my place to.
Since my opinion was asked by a few, here are some options:

a). Hazama, tell your side of the story with facts as to what occurred with a third respected party member. Let me then decide if it warrants the need for someone else to take your place for this fight- the opponent must approve the replacement challenger.

b). Do not discuss the underlying issue with a third party, and discuss let the members discuss it here *IF* you are allowed a temporary replacement for this match.

c). If a and b do not work, no replacement and you must fight to keep your bijuu.

d). Forfeit the bijuu

There are Bijuu rules in place, correct me if i am wrong, but allowing a temporary replacement for this match would then be a special allowance?

If the above question is answered with a yes, then members need to first decide on allowing for that to occur.
Then move on to options a or b.

Feel free to message me with any questions or concerns.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 16, 2015, 03:18:53 AM
Alright, while thinking it over, if my 'challenger' will accept a 'Champion' fighting in my place, then I will let this person take my place and the Bijuu fight for the Six Tails could state immediately.

I will not post the facts or details of the story for the sake of my friend and their feelings.

So, let us see what is said to this.

*Edit* And let it be said I still refuse to fight him as of now, this is the only option that I am presenting as of now.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Ace on January 16, 2015, 03:21:46 AM
Alright, while thinking it over, if my 'challenger' will accept a 'Champion' fighting in my place, then I will let this person take my place and the Bijuu fight for the Six Tails could state immediately.

I will not post the facts or details of the story for the sake of my friend and their feelings.

So, let us see what is said to this.

*Edit* And let it be said I still refuse to fight him as of now, this is the only option that I am presenting as of now.

Alrighty. =)

Next step, Riku, is that alright with you?
If yes, then I would be inclined to say the other members also have a say.
Simply posting a yes or a no agreeing to the temporary replacement.

Let's get this resolved without redundancy, short and to the point. =)
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 03:28:23 AM
(Insert troll response) Yes. As long as I am able to approve of the Champion prior to the fight.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Ace on January 16, 2015, 03:32:27 AM
(Insert troll response) Yes. As long as I am able to approve of the Champion prior to the fight.

Members, those who seem to be actively involved in all of this or are affected (guess I'm out), what say you?
Yes to the temporary replacement or no?

Simply a note, only reason why I am posting frequently is keep myself and others on track. =)
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 16, 2015, 03:39:05 AM
I can't agree to letting you approve my Champion because I only have one, and he's the only one I trust to fight in my place.

I won't trust anyone else in my spot for the fight, I hope that doesn't ruffle your feathers.

I can swear, though, that it isn't a match up that will cause issues. Rest assured.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 03:41:19 AM
Your ambiguity has put us in the most tedious position, a name? I am okay with 99.99% of the population, but there is that one soul that I refuse to fight.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Ace on January 16, 2015, 03:44:09 AM
And now I hold my breath...
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Rusaku on January 16, 2015, 03:45:31 AM
Well, I have been a friend of Hazama since I joined this game over 8 years ago, and I can say for certain I have only seen him like this one other time. It involves a certain female who's name starts with J. I am sure some will understand this. Now, taking this into consideration, I would never stand for Hazama being forced to fight Yujo if it bothered him this much. Though, he does hold the tailed beast so of course he must defend it in some way. Now, the idea of a champion is a fantastic idea though I am concerned with Yujo 'Allowing' Hazama's champion. From where I stand Yujo could easily agree on someone whom he already knows he can beat and thus it may be unfair, so it should be solely up to Hazama whom the Champion is. Though I am uncertain if Yujo would find this fair. I am a good friend of both parties, so I must admit I am finding it difficult to find a way to please both parties.   
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Nathan on January 16, 2015, 03:46:56 AM
I don't see an issue with it at all as long as they can agree with it.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 16, 2015, 03:48:25 AM
I'll let my Champion reveal himself, and if you don't agree, then... Well, back to step one.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 03:49:56 AM
Alrighty. If ever you want to try and make amends during this process lemme know. Till then, good luck pal.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Bocchiere on January 16, 2015, 03:50:22 AM
(http://www.memegene.net/media/created/bjdf1y.jpg)

Obviously Yujo isn't going to agree to fight me though.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Jolt on January 16, 2015, 03:50:53 AM
Alrighty. If ever you want to try and make amends during this process lemme know. Till then, good luck pal.

That's the spirit!
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Rusaku on January 16, 2015, 03:53:11 AM
(http://www.memegene.net/media/created/bjdf1y.jpg)

Obviously Yujo isn't going to agree to fight me though.

I'm dying
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Ace on January 16, 2015, 03:55:06 AM
Yep, I laughed a little there.

Gotta love when plots thicken.  :roll:
That last statement was both sarcasm and sincere.

What's next here Hazama, Yujo?
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 03:55:42 AM
Classic. Hazzy is he actually the one guy you trust more than anyone with your bijuu? Cause the irony would be too strong.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 16, 2015, 04:01:21 AM
That is not a no.

What do you say of my Champion?
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Eric on January 16, 2015, 04:02:51 AM
Set up the champion and let the duel begin. This special occasion will hopefully not pop up again anytime soon.

*11 posts after I started making my post*

Well, whoever the champion shall be, you guys are going to be needing a judge for it nonetheless. I wouldn't mind judging if it narrows down the wide range of great choices.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 04:06:53 AM
So you chose the guy who hunted you down for years, took every bijuu you had at any opportunity he could, and killed off multiples off everyone of your prized characters? Guess it's all apart of your mystique. Doesn't that seem like a clever ploy to any of you? I mean come on? Anyone who knows Hazzy OOC knows he absolutely hates Bocc, 'inside', and out. So yeah, that's a no.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 16, 2015, 04:09:46 AM
You have no rights to accuse me of such and if you continue, then I'll just return to ignoring.

You do not control who my friends are or who I chose.

If your final answer is no, then this conversation is over.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Bocchiere on January 16, 2015, 04:10:13 AM
So you chose the guy who hunted you down for years, took every bijuu you had at any opportunity he could, and killed off multiples off everyone of your prized characters? Guess it's all apart of your mystique. Doesn't that seem like a clever ploy to any of you? I mean come on? Anyone who knows Hazzy OOC knows he absolutely hates Bocc, 'inside', and out. So yeah, that's a no.

*Incredible not at all sarcastic gasp of surprise.*
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Ace on January 16, 2015, 04:26:01 AM
Am I in the minority opinion who thinks that approval of the replacement must be approved by Yujo?
I see that at least one person may not agree with that, meaning Yujo has to approve.
Kind of un-fair there. Since this is a special exception, seems fair for both sides to agree/approve.

Anyways, Yujo has said no- alrighty. =)

Hm...
To save the the amount of forum pages we are chopping down from the forum rainforest, Hazama, there was no other person you would like to take your spot temporarily, right?

If so, it seems the last resort option seems to be that you must now defend your bijuu. :/
I think we have reached that point then.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Nathan on January 16, 2015, 04:26:54 AM
Am I in the minority opinion who thinks that approval of the replacement must be approved by Yujo?
I see that at least one person may not agree with that, meaning Yujo has to approve.
Kind of un-fair there. Since this is a special exception, seems fair for both sides to agree/approve.

Anyways, Yujo has said no- alrighty. =)

Hm...
To save the the amount of forum pages we are chopping down for the forum rainforest, Hazama, there was no other person you would like to take your spot temporarily, right?

If so, it seems the last resort option seems to be that you must now defend your bijuu. :/
I think we have reached that point then.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Dart Terumī on January 16, 2015, 04:29:46 AM
Am I in the minority opinion who thinks that approval of the replacement must be approved by Yujo?
I see that at least one person may not agree with that, meaning Yujo has to approve.
Kind of un-fair there. Since this is a special exception, seems fair for both sides to agree/approve.

Anyways, Yujo has said no- alrighty. =)

Hm...
To save the the amount of forum pages we are chopping down from the forum rainforest, Hazama, there was no other person you would like to take your spot temporarily, right?

If so, it seems the last resort option seems to be that you must now defend your bijuu. :/
I think we have reached that point then.

The only problem with Yujo giving his "approval" is he could simply decline every person that Hazama suggests. That's the issue I see.

I am inclined to know the details of the RL situation before stating an opinion either way.

But, if a Champion was chosen for this special occasion, then that should be that.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 04:31:43 AM
I clearly stated there is only one person I would decline >_> They thought it'd be smart to invoke that.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 16, 2015, 04:33:08 AM
Am I in the minority opinion who thinks that approval of the replacement must be approved by Yujo?
I see that at least one person may not agree with that, meaning Yujo has to approve.
Kind of un-fair there. Since this is a special exception, seems fair for both sides to agree/approve.

Anyways, Yujo has said no- alrighty. =)

Hm...
To save the the amount of forum pages we are chopping down from the forum rainforest, Hazama, there was no other person you would like to take your spot temporarily, right?

If so, it seems the last resort option seems to be that you must now defend your bijuu. :/
I think we have reached that point then.

The only problem with Yujo giving his "approval" is he could simply decline every person that Hazama suggests. That's the issue I see.

I am inclined to know the details of the RL situation before stating an opinion either way.

But, if a Champion was chosen for this special occasion, then that should be that.

This ^

The whole point of this topic is because I cannot fathom talking to him for this fight, I barely wanted to talk to him as I already have.

Like Dart says, if he wanted, he could just keep saying no and no again and then it ends with me being forced to fight him anyway and that's unfair.

And as for the details, as I said before, I cannot. For the sake of my friend.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Ace on January 16, 2015, 04:33:31 AM
Am I in the minority opinion who thinks that approval of the replacement must be approved by Yujo?
I see that at least one person may not agree with that, meaning Yujo has to approve.
Kind of un-fair there. Since this is a special exception, seems fair for both sides to agree/approve.

Anyways, Yujo has said no- alrighty. =)

Hm...
To save the the amount of forum pages we are chopping down from the forum rainforest, Hazama, there was no other person you would like to take your spot temporarily, right?

If so, it seems the last resort option seems to be that you must now defend your bijuu. :/
I think we have reached that point then.

The only problem with Yujo giving his "approval" is he could simply decline every person that Hazama suggests. That's the issue I see.

I am inclined to know the details of the RL situation before stating an opinion either way.

But, if a Champion was chosen for this special occasion, then that should be that.

Sure, Yujo may perhaps decline every person. But that hasn't happened since only one person was "nominated."
For now, that remains to be a hypothetical situation.

Is it in the Bijuu rules that if for a special occasion a Champion is chosen, then the opposing party MUST be forced or accept?
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Dart Terumī on January 16, 2015, 04:35:32 AM
I clearly stated there is only one person I would decline >_> They thought it'd be smart to invoke that.

You also never clearly specified which individual either. <.<;
Literally left it open to allow anyone.

And this is from a non-biased person, mind you.

I'm not taking "sides". Just trying to work with the scarce details that are provided. :/

Am I in the minority opinion who thinks that approval of the replacement must be approved by Yujo?
I see that at least one person may not agree with that, meaning Yujo has to approve.
Kind of un-fair there. Since this is a special exception, seems fair for both sides to agree/approve.

Anyways, Yujo has said no- alrighty. =)

Hm...
To save the the amount of forum pages we are chopping down from the forum rainforest, Hazama, there was no other person you would like to take your spot temporarily, right?

If so, it seems the last resort option seems to be that you must now defend your bijuu. :/
I think we have reached that point then.

The only problem with Yujo giving his "approval" is he could simply decline every person that Hazama suggests. That's the issue I see.

I am inclined to know the details of the RL situation before stating an opinion either way.

But, if a Champion was chosen for this special occasion, then that should be that.

Sure, Yujo may perhaps decline every person. But that hasn't happened since only one person was "nominated."
For now, that remains to be a hypothetical situation.

Is it in the Bijuu rules that if for a special occasion a Champion is chosen, then the opposing party MUST be forced or accept?

I am not sure. I do not believe we have ever ran into a situation that required a surrogate fighter since I became a jinchūriki.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Bocchiere on January 16, 2015, 04:36:47 AM
Who would choose to fight the person who can't lose 1v1?

I think that he should just have to fight the champion. The rule should be that he (the accuser) has to talk to a mod and if the mods agrees that the situation is dire enough then and only then can the proxy fighter be used. In which cases it's your fault for ticking the person off that bad.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 04:38:54 AM
I still find it funny that everyone immediately believes his story regardless of his lack of details, lack of proof, and lack of pronouns. Like if he tried for a moment to take this to PM's like I initially did, maybe a resolution could have been found, but no.  So here we are.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Bocchiere on January 16, 2015, 04:41:12 AM
I still find it funny that everyone immediately believes his story regardless of his lack of details, lack of proof, and lack of pronouns. Like if he tried for a moment to take this to PM's like I initially did, maybe a resolution could have been found, but no.  So here we are.

Yeah, before you know it people are going to accuse me of being mean to people! This is a travesty! 
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Ace on January 16, 2015, 05:08:55 AM
Alrighty then.

Break :?:
Let's take a swing at this some time tomorrow.
Any concerns, send me a message!  :D

I hope the next time this topic is un-locked, a solution may be reached.

I think most are tired of of some of the repetitive type of posts that those who post them think are funny or cute in these types of situations that is.  :evil:

EDIT:

Hazama, the topic is unlocked for you (and any others) since you wanted to post something. It doesn't seem like this situation is resolved.

And not everyone is in agreement although I'm basically being told everyone agrees...
I'll stay out of this matter then.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 16, 2015, 05:41:43 AM
We've come at a crossroads and I'm done with this back and forth, we need to just solve this.

I do not think I should have to humor Yujo in the slightest for this challenge, because this goes far beyond 'I don't like his face' or 'we don't get along'. As it's been said, this is a special occasion and hopefully nothing like this has to come up again.

I did not have to offer Yujo a Champion to fight, but even though I did, he refused. That is not my fault, and I'm sorry I don't trust many people to defend my Bijuu, sue me for not wanting to lose it?

That's besides the point. He said no, so here we are. I just want a vote at this point, for majority rule.

Should I have to accept his challenge or am I okay refuse it, because of the situation.
And, if I am forced to accept it, will he be forced to fight my Champion or will he get his way and will I be forced to fight him, despite all that has been said.

The Forum is for voting and decision making... Let's well, do that.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Bocchiere on January 16, 2015, 05:50:34 AM
No he should not have to fight him. If he does Yujo should have to accept the proxy.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Dart Terumī on January 16, 2015, 06:05:02 AM
I didn't get to finish my post as I was rushed for work.

The biggest deal breaker for the entire situation is:

What exactly is the situation?

Hazama, if you want a fair and unbiased poll on this, then we need to know what exactly the issue is.

Making an allegation that there are RL consequences does change the entire spectrum.

Though apparently that doesn't matter here as both myself and Bocchiere were forced to accept Machina's challenges after that debacle.

Right now, with no evidence, it looks like it is the exact same situation. And to continue to enforce the "equality" of the site, then at this moment I say yes, Hazama must defend his bijū.

However, if you let us know what the actual situation was, I very well may change.

I'm on the fence, truly, for this situation.
I'm not particularly a friend with either person so Im definitely not being swayed by emotion. I want the facts.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 16, 2015, 06:08:01 AM
And if you were my friend, who was still broken up over what happened, you wouldn't want your information out there.

I'm sorry that I can't give you what you're asking for, Dart, but I can't give it. It's not in my rights to share, nor for me to be asked to share.

I fought Bocchiere, the one who mastered the Nine Tails, so why would I go through a long elaborate topic to try to avoid a fight with Yujo unless I was serious? It doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Dart Terumī on January 16, 2015, 06:22:15 AM
And if you were my friend, who was still broken up over what happened, you wouldn't want your information out there.

I'm sorry that I can't give you what you're asking for, Dart, but I can't give it. It's not in my rights to share, nor for me to be asked to share.

I fought Bocchiere, the one who mastered the Nine Tails, so why would I go through a long elaborate topic to try to avoid a fight with Yujo unless I was serious? It doesn't make sense.

Because wanting to fight Bocchiere isn't all that big of an accomplish.
I want to fight him but I'm not ready to yet. I'll do it on my own time.
I also wanted to fight Zenaku. And Sabu. And so many others. Regardless, that's totally off topic. What I was trying to get at that it doesn't matter whom you've fought before to try and "prove" your seriousness in this matter.

The only way for everyone else to see what the issue is and make a decision that's appropriate is to know what the situation is.

What you're asking us to do is operate on blind faith. And as we all can very well see, blind faith does not seem to work on the site at all.

It sucks that I'm the one to say all this as I'm not a mod. And I'm sure you'll hate for me as well.

I'm just trying to offer up a compromise.

On principle: I don't anyone should have to deal with anyone when things become this heated. But no one seems to accept that.


Personally, I believe the champion idea serves best that way the beast is still being defended and the bijū rules are being enforced. What I don't understand is why Yujo is trying to avoid that encounter. It gives him the opportunity to fight for the beast that he is trying to get anyways. He's getting what he wants, so why is he the one avoiding?


At this rate, I find myself agreeing more and more with Eric on ridding of the bijū entirely. Or simply casting a worldwide null/void on them and their hosts.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Bocchiere on January 16, 2015, 06:32:34 AM
I quit so now I can say yes! Void the bijuu! Woo!
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 16, 2015, 06:35:24 AM
If someone could tell Yujo to come post, I'm officially accepting his Bijuu Challenge, screw it.

But he and I are going to hash out the terms on this topic, because I refuse to talk to him in PMs.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Teostra on January 16, 2015, 06:51:42 AM
Jeese, is this what it's like to be a jinchuriki? Everyone here seems to be acting like children. Why is it so difficult for people to just act civil towards each other? So someone's accepting a challenge but wants a third party to talk to the challenger and let them know because they're having a lover's spat (or acting like one). Sounds like having a bijuu is just a pain in the butt.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 16, 2015, 07:32:12 AM
There was an agreement, I just said I'd fight Yujo personally.

Just that I'd only talk to him here, on this thread. I think that's fair. Any conversation he and I are to have will also be held on public.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Dart Terumī on January 16, 2015, 10:06:39 AM
There was an agreement, I just said I'd fight Yujo personally.

Just that I'd only talk to him here, on this thread. I think that's fair. Any conversation he and I are to have will also be held on public.

Though I doubt it will be accepted, I volunteer as tribute to be (a) judge of your match.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Eric on January 16, 2015, 06:01:41 PM
there was a vote? I thought you just called for a vote...


...Another proposal? anyone? Something productive...


A vote was called, and by my tally from the point Hazama called for a vote, I think only Bocc actually voted. Dart, being on the fence, asked for more information, and another vote was not explicitly made.

Now, as for something productive on my part, presuming Yujo and Hazama have agreed to have the biju fight, it is only sensible for them to have it in public, or else who knows what shenanigans will go on in the dark. The only sensible public place will be the forums, since there is no telling how long this fight will be, nor is there any telling how long it will take the participants to post (especially if a judge is repeatedly called in).

If the two of them have come to that compromise without waiting for further voting, then let it be so. Pick a judge, pick a zone, post your special conditions and/or voids (you know, the normal biju challenge stuff), and proceed as necessary.

If they have not indeed made progress this compromise, then as Kay suggested, either Hazama chooses a new champion and Yujo accepts or Hazama is stripped and the beast goes to tourney, with neither participant permitted to fight for it.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 06:18:39 PM
Do I really need to accept his acceptance of my challenge? Like I kind of hoped it would be assumed. Nevertheless, Eric seems like a suitable judge since he volunteered first. And even considering you two have a longer history, I believe he will be pretty neutral. So the normal bans? Do it up on the forums, everything seems fine with me. I await your response ol' sport.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 16, 2015, 06:30:56 PM
Eric is fine as a judge, of course.

I vote Zone Four for the zone of the fight.

Staggered IC or OOC? I'm perfectly fine with either.

And what Kg will you be using in the fight?
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 06:38:13 PM
Resets are distributed as followed.
4 sharingan.
4 Ice.
6 Sage mode.
2 Gates.
Dust release is my KT of choice.

Just for reference. Yours?

My vote goes to zone 6, neutrality will lessen the issues that will come.


OOC death match would be great.
(Considering that the old death match rules are still the same, you die and all of your stuff immediately goes to the winner)
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Eric on January 16, 2015, 07:04:06 PM
As judge, I would strongly advise that it is an OOC match with no consequences to either party any greater than loss of tailed beast, considering the volatile nature already of the participants. I cannot force it on either of you if you don't desire it, but that is my bit of advice for this to proceed smoothly.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 07:07:33 PM
He said he was fine with either, I just offered a deal that would suit both our needs. He isn't locked in Rp, but the consequences of the fight will be permanent.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 16, 2015, 07:08:03 PM
4 Sharingan
6 Sage Mode
2 Gates
4 Mokuton
And I have no KT but IC usage of Ice, nothing too fancy.

I'll agree to zone six instead of four so long as you don't mind agreeing to an IC match instead.
I would much rather it be that way.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 07:11:17 PM
I'll agree to that. With a single caveat. At the end of this fight, regardless of the outcome you and I sit down and talk out this issue. Or maybe I'm asking too much.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 16, 2015, 07:14:27 PM
Only with close friends around, in the same circle as us, and you know what friends I'm talking about.

Fine, I'll agree to that.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 07:17:58 PM
Tremendous. Would you like to begin now? When is best for ya?
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 16, 2015, 07:29:35 PM
*Jackie chan's uncle voice* One mooorreee thing .

Your sharingan, are they your original eyes or do you have miss-matching eyes? Because you have Kamui and Amaterasu?
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 07:37:02 PM
It just isn't updated. I've been gone for a year mind you, my original eyes contained Kamui, those are the ones in my head. Surgery and stuff.
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hazama on January 16, 2015, 07:40:07 PM
Dual Kamui then? Alright.
Then I will make the topic for our fight and we can get cracking...
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Hitler-Chan on January 16, 2015, 07:43:19 PM
Like a drunk father I'm gonna to beat my love into you...YOU WILL LOVE ME! -Waves to the audience- Toodles~
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Ace on January 16, 2015, 11:16:21 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Refusing a Bijuu Challenge.
Post by: Eric on January 16, 2015, 11:29:11 PM
:D

You're right, I think this thread can be locked now. Issue seems to have been resolved, for now at least.