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Roleplay => All That Is Bijuu => Bijuu Arena => Topic started by: KayentaMoenkopi on December 28, 2016, 08:51:39 AM

Title: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on December 28, 2016, 08:51:39 AM
A host must create a thread with the name of his or her bijuu in the title to the Bijuu Arena board, and use this thread to: state his or her preference for battle, keep a list of challengers, indicate if he or she is a new host and when his or her grace period will be over, and post any notices of absence.


I do not see one host who has made a personal thread to keep track of their beast, preferences, challenge list, and activity log.

Because this is true, I also do not see any challenger posting to the host's personal thread.

COMPLY. Each host. Go create a personal thread. FOR EACH BEAST IN THEIR POSSESSION FOR EACH ALT THEY ARE RUNNING!

WHEN THE THREAD IS MADE< PLEASE, SOME MOD PIN IT!
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES
Post by: Trev on December 28, 2016, 09:03:15 AM
They all get moved here

http://forum.shinobilegends.com/index.php/topic,8043.0.html

I had my own, but everyone's thread gets moved there. I'll take blame for not keeping it updated as I should. But there are multiple host with threads... they just all get moved to a thread that has old biju owners, which may confuse people
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES
Post by: Ѕhadow on December 28, 2016, 09:09:32 AM
Like Trev said they all get moved. Kinda of defeats the purpose.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on December 28, 2016, 09:29:19 AM
And it is not being done by the rules.

Fix it.
The multi thread is a mess. people can not accurately update their information and take official challenges as per the rules in there.

it needs to be individual threads, just like the rules say, for a very good reason.


The catch all one needs to be done away with. Unpinned. Scrapped. we have a jink list. that is enough of a one stop place to see who has what.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on December 28, 2016, 09:39:47 AM
I have added a tag to the title for MOD ATTENTION

this is something they will have to correct.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Hazama on December 28, 2016, 03:01:34 PM
So do I need just one thread for me the person, a thread for each character? Or a thread for each bijuu?
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES
Post by: Eric on December 28, 2016, 05:16:03 PM
And it is not being done by the rules.

Fix it.
The multi thread is a mess. people can not accurately update their information and take official challenges as per the rules in there.

it needs to be individual threads, just like the rules say, for a very good reason.


The catch all one needs to be done away with. Unpinned. Scrapped. we have a jink list. that is enough of a one stop place to see who has what.

I'll get on to that. Might take a little bit on mobile but I'll work on it.


*Edit:

After seeing Bocchieres up there, I think it would ve wiser on my part to default back to:

Remake your threads. When all 9 are back up then the aforementioned thread will be tossed formally. Shouldn't be hard since you can just copy and paste your information from the thread linked here.

If that doesn't seem reasonable to you guys then I'll wait to do it when I'm in front of my conouter next.


@Athos: each biju.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: JayJay on December 29, 2016, 04:35:28 AM
Do we post our thing on Bijuu Arena? Or is there some other board I'm not aware of?
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: JayJay on December 29, 2016, 04:46:18 AM
Whoops, never mind
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Eric on December 29, 2016, 04:59:04 PM
Stickying all 9 of them and stickying active biju fights is going to kind of negate the point of the sticky feature unless the challenge threads are in village square. Traditionally thuh they have been here in biju arena.

Thoughts on this, anyone?
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Dart Terumī on December 29, 2016, 07:37:31 PM
Stickying all 9 of them and stickying active biju fights is going to kind of negate the point of the sticky feature unless the challenge threads are in village square. Traditionally thuh they have been here in biju arena.

Thoughts on this, anyone?

Sticky both the listings and then fights. That way all the info can be read right away instead of having to scroll.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Trev on December 29, 2016, 11:06:48 PM
Making a thread for each biju seems rather odd? It would make more sense for a host that has multiple biju to just make a general challenge thread that list all the biju they own. It would also save space.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Dart Terumī on December 30, 2016, 03:07:17 AM
Making a thread for each biju seems rather odd? It would make more sense for a host that has multiple biju to just make a general challenge thread that list all the biju they own. It would also save space.

Agreed.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on December 30, 2016, 05:19:08 AM
I a host can keep his thread straight, I am not opposed to him using one for all his characters and all his beasts. We need a place for communication between a host and challengers to occur.

I would like the host threads to be sticky. I do not see a reason for the fights which should be kept active enough to remain on the front page of the board.

but I do not see having them also be sticky as a bad thing either. As long as it works, personal preference does not matter.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Camel on December 30, 2016, 11:27:44 PM
I'll go clean up the list/preferences up a bit. Meant to do it a while back and just completely forgot about it, however let me know if I miss anything.

PS: I updated the list, but I am missing two preferences from the following characters: Genesis and Haschwelthe. You two might want to get on this, otherwise it will cause problems in the future.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Dart Terumī on December 30, 2016, 11:43:01 PM
I'll go clean up the list/preferences up a bit. Meant to do it a while back and just completely forgot about it, however let me know if I miss anything.

NO! Leave them separate threads!

EDIT/ADD: Keeping then separate threads then allows the challenger to formerly post to that jinc's thread for all to see so we don't have the shady, behind-closed-doors deals and 'agreements'. Keeping them separate threads keeps accountability.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Camel on December 30, 2016, 11:48:04 PM
I'll go clean up the list/preferences up a bit. Meant to do it a while back and just completely forgot about it, however let me know if I miss anything.

NO! Leave them separate threads!

*exasperatedsigh*

Too messy to leave them in separate threads. I even pointed this out before and Kayenta wanted the list to be up-to-date, not rearranged.

I mean really, it's not that hard to find the preferences thread that is stickied in the bijuu arena these days anyway; too many complaints about what I did and I'll revert everything.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES
Post by: Dart Terumī on December 31, 2016, 12:46:38 AM
And it is not being done by the rules.

Fix it.
The multi thread is a mess. people can not accurately update their information and take official challenges as per the rules in there.

it needs to be individual threads, just like the rules say, for a very good reason.


The catch all one needs to be done away with. Unpinned. Scrapped. we have a jink list. that is enough of a one stop place to see who has what.


I'll get on to that. Might take a little bit on mobile but I'll work on it.


*Edit:

After seeing Bocchieres up there, I think it would ve wiser on my part to default back to:

Remake your threads. When all 9 are back up then the aforementioned thread will be tossed formally. Shouldn't be hard since you can just copy and paste your information from the thread linked here.

If that doesn't seem reasonable to you guys then I'll wait to do it when I'm in front of my conouter next.


@Athos: each biju.

Boom. That's 3 votes.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Trev on December 31, 2016, 02:06:36 AM
I don't care either way, although I know a few members wanted individual threads, so all challenges could be posted there. That way no one could claim, well so  and so challenged me before hand via message.

As a compromise, can you put the individual thread within a sub thread? Do you have that ability? Like turn the biju challenge guidelines into a topic thread and when you click it, it showcases everyone's individual thread? This way, everyone has an individual thread that people can post in, and not make some many separate threads so messy
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Hazama on December 31, 2016, 02:36:45 AM
I don't care either way, although I know a few members wanted individual threads, so all challenges could be posted there. That way no one could claim, well so  and so challenged me before hand via message.

As a compromise, can you put the individual thread within a sub thread? Do you have that ability? Like turn the biju challenge guidelines into a topic thread and when you click it, it showcases everyone's individual thread? This way, everyone has an individual thread that people can post in, and not make some many separate threads so messy

+1
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: JayJay on December 31, 2016, 04:39:59 AM
I +1 Trev as well, except it should be under the Biju and the Host should just be on the top with the list of challengers and when they switch hands, it can just be edited accordingly.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Eric on December 31, 2016, 05:54:43 AM
Kamui, I thank you for organizing that thread with the preferences in it.


A host must create a thread with the name of his or her bijuu in the title to the Bijuu Arena board, and use this thread to: state his or her preference for battle, keep a list of challengers, indicate if he or she is a new host and when his or her grace period will be over, and post any notices of absence.


I do not see one host who has made a personal thread to keep track of their beast, preferences, challenge list, and activity log...

The above is what started this thread. Each biju should have its own challenge thread or, as suggested earlier, said thread can be done per host with a compilation of the beasts. All of the posts/threads combined into one requires the hosts to make their own threads anyways in order to comply with the rules. Rather than stickying them, link them on the current jinchurikii listing. Remember to post updates to that thread so that changes can be kept track of.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on January 02, 2017, 03:34:55 AM
As Eric said, as I said, as everyone voted it to be done, and has not been put into action yet...please.

Just each player, at the every least, keep one separate thread to put the preferences in for the beast(s) and/or alts they hold within the first post of their thread...clearly marking who has what.

Then people can communicate with the player about challenges and everything in one place without it getting lost among other people's challenges.

This also needs to be where inactivity notices are posted to verify compliance with the voted upon rules.

THIS IS NOT BEING REQUESTED TO COMPLAIN ABOUT ANYONE NOT DOING THEIR JOB!

There is nothing wrong with realizing an old system just doesn't do the job it should in these modern times. The rules have been updated, and now in compliance with those rules, the tracking of bijuu activity is also being brought up to date.

NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS THAN JUST WHAT THESE WORDS SPECIFICALLY SAY WITHOUT HIDDEN MEANINGS ANYWHERE.

TL;DR:
not being a bitch Kamui, just want the record keeping method updated to fit the new rules. It was a simple fix for a problem in communication I saw going on.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Camel on January 02, 2017, 04:16:06 AM
Why name a thread "Bijuu Challenge Preferences and Challenge listings", but still want to keep two separate threads for each subject? I did what needed to be done and I actually clipped some old postings that have no place in there. Now we have an up-to-date listing that is easily accessible and can modified by the players, but not too mention the postings in that thread are on topic.

Although the issue of inactivity is lies with those that haven't made a posting within that thread. Record keeping is a big responsibility for the jinchuuriki and it must be complied with, otherwise you risk losing that bijuu.

TL;DR

The hell? First there was a posting in there for me to clean up the list, now there is some rule that specifies that I need to separate 'em and that it is simple fix to a problem that was going on? The lack of communication lies with the player behind that character, not the rules and certainly not the thread that I cleaned up.  :-?
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on January 02, 2017, 06:14:19 AM
Camel my love...

the old preference list with all the hosts in one spot, it was out of date and needed to have current hosts only in there. And it is a wonderful job that you did cleaning it up.

However, since my request that it be cleansed, we have had massive cluster fucks going on with challenges.

And as the rules state...which are much newer rules than the old multi-player preference list that you so skillfully updated...each player must have their own thread...because...

They need to keep their things updated, but also to provide a place for challengers to make official challenges. Each post will be time stamped. There will be no question who got there first. No more using pms for back door under the table deals which confuse and muddle the issue.

And no need for each host to wade through what will be endless pages of posting to find the ones that are for them! And no need for a mod to go in and ever edit it again!

won't that make your job much easier? I know you have tons of things to do just on the forum, let alone on the actual site as a mod, plus in your RL too.

Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Eric on January 02, 2017, 07:10:38 AM
Went through on Kamui's cleaned up thread and separated some of the individual biju that remained. Stickied the individual ones and pending on the remaining individual ones.

Of course, going through, I realized that what I just did was so stupid I should receive a Prize for it.

Since each Biju needs to have its own challenge thread anyways, to save on further confusion, I will make 9 threads for each of the 9 biju; each host will subsequently post their preferences and current challengers as necessary to each biju that they happen to have ownership for. Each new challenger will then post their official challenge to that thread; when the beast changes hands, the new host makes a new POST in the biju's thread with their preferences, and the challengers' challenge posts continue on from there.

It is is line with the rules (the thread has the name of the biju has in the description) and makes this whole challenge thread (which is done per biju since the challenge lists carry over anyways) transition thing less of a task in the future.


*PS

As of this point, all 10 of the biju have their own thread. Each thread looked ugly as heck stickied altogether, so a link to each thread is present on the "Current Jinchurikii" thread. Additionally, I am going to try to add in some of the preferences that were earlier separated from Kamui's cleaned up thread.

If you do not see your preferences/challenger list thing posted within a day or two of this edit, PLEASE add yours yourself.

I hope I have saved more heartache than I may have caused.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Hazama on January 02, 2017, 06:17:16 PM
If you do not see your preferences/challenger list thing posted within a day or two of this edit, PLEASE add yours yourself.

I'm faintly inpatient but I did mine for you, Eric <3 Try and make things a little easier for you.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Eric on January 03, 2017, 01:58:05 AM
If you do not see your preferences/challenger list thing posted within a day or two of this edit, PLEASE add yours yourself.

I'm faintly inpatient but I did mine for you, Eric <3 Try and make things a little easier for you.

Thanks.

Now I just have to see if this deals with the challenge thread issue once and for all.

PS

Make sure each thread's challenge list is only for that biju's challengers, not a compilation of all of your challengers overall.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Hazama on January 03, 2017, 02:20:15 AM
If you do not see your preferences/challenger list thing posted within a day or two of this edit, PLEASE add yours yourself.

I'm faintly inpatient but I did mine for you, Eric <3 Try and make things a little easier for you.

Thanks.

Now I just have to see if this deals with the challenge thread issue once and for all.

PS

Make sure each thread's challenge list is only for that biju's challengers, not a compilation of all of your challengers overall.

Oh I wish I was just compiling all my challengers, but that is my challenger list for each of my beasts, as it stands until the council makes it decision.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Eric on January 03, 2017, 06:29:09 AM
If you do not see your preferences/challenger list thing posted within a day or two of this edit, PLEASE add yours yourself.

I'm faintly inpatient but I did mine for you, Eric <3 Try and make things a little easier for you.

Thanks.

Now I just have to see if this deals with the challenge thread issue once and for all.

PS

Make sure each thread's challenge list is only for that biju's challengers, not a compilation of all of your challengers overall.

Oh I wish I was just compiling all my challengers, but that is my challenger list for each of my beasts, as it stands until the council makes it decision.

Oh. Right.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Hazama on January 03, 2017, 06:38:19 AM
If you do not see your preferences/challenger list thing posted within a day or two of this edit, PLEASE add yours yourself.

I'm faintly inpatient but I did mine for you, Eric <3 Try and make things a little easier for you.

Thanks.

Now I just have to see if this deals with the challenge thread issue once and for all.

PS

Make sure each thread's challenge list is only for that biju's challengers, not a compilation of all of your challengers overall.

Oh I wish I was just compiling all my challengers, but that is my challenger list for each of my beasts, as it stands until the council makes it decision.

Oh. Right.

I know, right? >>
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on January 04, 2017, 03:08:53 AM
What in the world are you doing Eric?

Each HOST is to make their own thread. So that they are the owner of the thread and can edit it. So that you do not have to link to another thread to find out what their preferences are but can find all that information in one place.

I feel this is ridiculous. What was so hard to understand about this rule?

A host must create a thread with the name of his or her bijuu in the title to the Bijuu Arena board, and use this thread to: state his or her preference for battle, keep a list of challengers, indicate if he or she is a new host and when his or her grace period will be over, and post any notices of absence.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Hazama on January 04, 2017, 03:37:01 AM
What in the world are you doing Eric?

Each HOST is to make their own thread. So that they are the owner of the thread and can edit it. So that you do not have to link to another thread to find out what their preferences are but can find all that information in one place.

I feel this is ridiculous. What was so hard to understand about this rule?

A host must create a thread with the name of his or her bijuu in the title to the Bijuu Arena board, and use this thread to: state his or her preference for battle, keep a list of challengers, indicate if he or she is a new host and when his or her grace period will be over, and post any notices of absence.

Which is exactly what happened only Eric broke his back to do something to try and help you and your OCD, especially since everyone else was fine with Kamu fixing up the outdated list (another thing you called and demanded) just for BOTH things you demanded to be done so you could spam the forum and tell them how they did wrong and essentially crap on what they did? :\

I fail to see what the problem is right now. I can edit my post at any time to update my challengers or rules, and all the beasts now have fancy titles, numbers, names and everything... Also like you wanted o.o

I fail to see why you've got to be hostile towards people only trying to do what you said >>
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on January 04, 2017, 03:43:30 AM
I see.

The rule stated that each host has to create a thread. People voted on that.

I am not the only person who commented that individual threads would be best, after I brought the matter to their attention.

And it was not until your issues over continued problems with Bijuu challenges, keeping them straight and without contention among the participants, That I even broached the subject to begin with.

sometimes a little OCD is just what is required in order to organize things in a proper manner so that they work smoothly.

I have removed my numerous posts to all the threads created by Eric because that was excessive and uncalled for.

However, despite my own momentary triggered response, the initial complaint remains valid.

Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: JayJay on January 04, 2017, 03:59:05 AM
Everybody needs to take a chill pill and just give your beasts to me >.> I love you long time. That's all I can offer... I'm pretty broke. :D
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Eric on January 04, 2017, 04:03:37 AM
What in the world are you doing Eric...

Kayenta,

I made a thread for each of the beasts so that each of the hosts can post their preferences and claim that thread space whenever their turn is up. That is to make the transition between hosts simpler, so that we do not have to keep having this drama whenever a new host comes up. Plus I said that I would get on splitting up the threads and felt bad for Kamui putting in the effort and stuff...

More objectively, the only alternative was to threaten to strip most if not all of the hosts for non-compliance and see if they make the threads exactly as the rules dictate. It was less work just making those biju threads for them and then telling them how to use them properly in the first post.

If the Council rules that the hosts must make their own threads or be stripped. Then I will go forth, tear down those threads, and admit that I went from one silly mistake to another. Otherwise, I am going to not be the rules stringent one this go around.

Everybody needs to take a chill pill and just give your beasts to me >.> I love you long time. That's all I can offer... I'm pretty broke. :D

Your character is pretty sweet too...
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Teostra on January 04, 2017, 04:13:08 AM
More objectively, the only alternative was to threaten to strip most if not all of the hosts for non-compliance and see if they make the threads exactly as the rules dictate. It was less work just making those biju threads for them and then telling them how to use them properly in the first post.

It's their responsibility if they want the beasts, they should do it themselves. Plus, a new topic can easily be made when a host loses their beast and another gains it.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Eric on January 04, 2017, 04:24:05 AM
More objectively, the only alternative was to threaten to strip most if not all of the hosts for non-compliance and see if they make the threads exactly as the rules dictate. It was less work just making those biju threads for them and then telling them how to use them properly in the first post.

It's their responsibility if they want the beasts, they should do it themselves. Plus, a new topic can easily be made when a host loses their beast and another gains it.

When, as a mod, I read this:

I have added a tag to the title for MOD ATTENTION

this is something they will have to correct.

It went from a "let the Council handle it" to a "ok mods are coming in to do something".

We were called in to split the compilation threads so that each host has their own thread. Kamui went in and cleaned up the compilation thread, but did not decompile them. I started to decompile them, got frustrated when some of the posts were for hosts and not for individual biju, and then realized that making biju challenge threads would nip it in the bud once and for all.

If Kayenta wanted the hosts to correct their own issue, then she would not have asked us to fix it is the way I see it. If the hosts were supposed to make their own threads (make new ones I mean) then we should not have been called in, "mod attention" should not have been in all caps in the title, and Kayenta should have gotten the Biju Council to do its job of enforcing the biju rules.

Because that's not in the moderator job description. Enforcing the biju rules is the Biju Council's job.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: JayJay on January 04, 2017, 04:29:02 AM
What in the world are you doing Eric...

Kayenta,

I made a thread for each of the beasts so that each of the hosts can post their preferences and claim that thread space whenever their turn is up. That is to make the transition between hosts simpler, so that we do not have to keep having this drama whenever a new host comes up. Plus I said that I would get on splitting up the threads and felt bad for Kamui putting in the effort and stuff...

More objectively, the only alternative was to threaten to strip most if not all of the hosts for non-compliance and see if they make the threads exactly as the rules dictate. It was less work just making those biju threads for them and then telling them how to use them properly in the first post.

If the Council rules that the hosts must make their own threads or be stripped. Then I will go forth, tear down those threads, and admit that I went from one silly mistake to another. Otherwise, I am going to not be the rules stringent one this go around.

Everybody needs to take a chill pill and just give your beasts to me >.> I love you long time. That's all I can offer... I'm pretty broke. :D

Your character is pretty sweet too...

Awww :oops:

More objectively, the only alternative was to threaten to strip most if not all of the hosts for non-compliance and see if they make the threads exactly as the rules dictate. It was less work just making those biju threads for them and then telling them how to use them properly in the first post.

It's their responsibility if they want the beasts, they should do it themselves. Plus, a new topic can easily be made when a host loses their beast and another gains it.

Would the old topic (old host) have to delete theirs in the act of losing their beasts, with the new host creating this new topic?

Otherwise, I believe we should just keep the topics as they are and new hosts can create their preferences below the old host, so that we can also have a history of the containers as well. Also with a level of mastery when/if they were to lose said beast. Just so those that didn't master the beast have to start over, while those that did master the beast can continue with that complete mastery. Cause, it shouldn't simply leave the character's mind on how training went with the beast.

More objectively, the only alternative was to threaten to strip most if not all of the hosts for non-compliance and see if they make the threads exactly as the rules dictate. It was less work just making those biju threads for them and then telling them how to use them properly in the first post.

It's their responsibility if they want the beasts, they should do it themselves. Plus, a new topic can easily be made when a host loses their beast and another gains it.

When, as a mod, I read this:

I have added a tag to the title for MOD ATTENTION

this is something they will have to correct.

It went from a "let the Council handle it" to a "ok mods are coming in to do something".

We were called in to split the compilation threads so that each host has their own thread. Kamui went in and cleaned up the compilation thread, but did not decompile them. I started to decompile them, got frustrated when some of the posts were for hosts and not for individual biju, and then realized that making biju challenge threads would nip it in the bud once and for all.

If Kayenta wanted the hosts to correct their own issue, then she would not have asked us to fix it is the way I see it. If the hosts were supposed to make their own threads (make new ones I mean) then we should not have been called in, "mod attention" should not have been in all caps in the title, and Kayenta should have gotten the Biju Council to do its job of enforcing the biju rules.

Because that's not in the moderator job description. Enforcing the biju rules is the Biju Council's job.

Yes, calling the Mods attention to something the Hosts should do, doesn't seem fair when you get mad at the mods for fixing the problem. Though, that's my last say on the matter and will go back to being the peacemaker.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on January 04, 2017, 04:30:02 AM
I called in a mod to get rid of the multi-thread and to sticky the personal threads that each host would make. I had to call for a mod to do that part because people who are not mods cannot do this for themselves.

I did not call for a mod to make a decision on if the RULE THE COMMUNITY VOTED UPON should be used as written or not.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on January 04, 2017, 04:37:24 AM
What this has done Eric is taken the responsibility of activity away from the host and placed more work upon your shoulders and those of the other mods. As it is now, constant editing will have to be performed by a mod every time a new host is born for each bijuu. The threads are to be HOST specific, not BIJUU specific.

It was also proposed that a player could use one thread to use for all his beast. And I was fine with that. NOW a player will not have that option either.

And I fail to see anywhere in the words that I have written, that THAT is what I was asking for when I called in for a mod to do the board functions mentioned in my last post.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: JayJay on January 04, 2017, 04:43:48 AM
Just do what I did >.> Easy peasy, Eric deletes preference part of the topic and we go from there. The host gets their editing rights back and the topic stays Biju focused instead of player focused. That way it's easier, in my eyes. Either way, I like how Eric set things up and I like how Kay forced a clean up. Got everybody involved, because nobody wasn't really worried about any of that.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Eric on January 04, 2017, 04:44:43 AM
What this has done Eric is taken the responsibility of activity away from the host and placed more work upon your shoulders and those of the other mods. As it is now, constant editing will have to be performed by a mod every time a new host is born for each bijuu. The threads are to be HOST specific, not BIJUU specific...


I'm sure you read the first post on each of those threads. No mod will have to constantly edit. The rules state that the host must make a thread with the biju name in it listing their information. Well, the title is the name of the biju, and subsequent posts are updates to that challenge thread. No mod edit required.

Honestly Kay, I am sorry for misunderstanding you. I am not going to touch anything else on this matter, unless the Biju Council does its job and makes a move on this, just to be sure I am not laboring in vain.

From the get-go the only ones who had to do anything were the hosts. If they fail to do so yet still, then call a Council hearing to have them all stripped of their beasts for failing to comply.


*PS

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It was also proposed that a player could use one thread to use for all his beast. And I was fine with that. NOW a player will not have that option either.

That's still against the rules. Each thread for each beast owned.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: JayJay on January 04, 2017, 04:48:56 AM
From the get-go the only ones who had to do anything were the hosts. If they fail to do so yet still, then call a Council hearing to have them all stripped of their beasts for failing to comply.

Hey, come on, there's no need to go that far... I just got this beasty T.T
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on January 04, 2017, 05:00:32 AM
no one is stripping anyone of anything Jay. You did what you needed. It is hardly your fault that no one seems to be able to agree what to do with that once you did.

However, I will point out one final time...editing by mods will have to be done if the thread is BIJUU specific and not HOST specific.

Jay has the two tails. Jay loses. OMG, I know, right?

Now Jay's preferences have to be removed. All the challenges and stuff that were made to JAY now are trash for the new host to have to weed through...in order to find the posts that are directed to him.

The new host is Shadow. Then OMG Shadow loses...

Now the Shadow Preferences have to be edited out. And there are even more trash challenger posts and activity announcements and void discussions to wade through for the  new host...KAYENTA to wade through...

and here we are on page 12 of an activity thread that is supposed to make things easier for me and my challengers to use... WHILE WAITING TO HAVE A MOD COME IN A EDIT MY LOGS FOR ME>>>>
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: JayJay on January 04, 2017, 05:03:03 AM
no one is stripping anyone of anything Jay. You did what you needed. It is hardly your fault that no one seems to be able to agree what to do with that once you did.

However, I will point out one final time...editing by mods will have to be done if the thread is BIJUU specific and not HOST specific.

Jay has the two tails. Jay loses. OMG, I know, right?

Now Jay's preferences have to be removed. All the challenges and stuff that were made to JAY now are trash for the new host to have to weed through...in order to find the posts that are directed to him.

The new host is Shadow. Then OMG Shadow loses...

Now the Shadow Preferences have to be edited out. And there are even more trash challenger posts and activity announcements and void discussions to wade through for the  new host...KAYENTA to wade through...

and here we are on page 12 of an activity thread that is supposed to make things easier for me and my challengers to use... WHILE WAITING TO HAVE A MOD COME IN A EDIT MY LOGS FOR ME>>>>

I hope you knocked on wood Momo >.> I better not lose anything now.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Eric on January 04, 2017, 05:21:07 AM
no one is stripping anyone of anything Jay. You did what you needed. It is hardly your fault that no one seems to be able to agree what to do with that once you did.

However, I will point out one final time...editing by mods will have to be done if the thread is BIJUU specific and not HOST specific.

Jay has the two tails. Jay loses. OMG, I know, right?

Now Jay's preferences have to be removed...

No, they don't.

The thread is suppose to act as a log for verification of who challenged what, when, and where, so those topics on challenges and sneaky challenges are not made. Mods do not have to delete those preferences, no, not one bit.

12 pages long? Welp, on the latest preference post, there should be a list of current challengers, so the wade is quicker if you start from the newest.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Hazama on January 04, 2017, 07:28:55 PM
I see.

The rule stated that each host has to create a thread. People voted on that.

I am not the only person who commented that individual threads would be best, after I brought the matter to their attention.

And it was not until your issues over continued problems with Bijuu challenges, keeping them straight and without contention among the participants, That I even broached the subject to begin with.

sometimes a little OCD is just what is required in order to organize things in a proper manner so that they work smoothly.

I have removed my numerous posts to all the threads created by Eric because that was excessive and uncalled for.

However, despite my own momentary triggered response, the initial complaint remains valid.

I'm just sick of all the back and forth at this point, even if it isn't hostile. I spent over thirty minutes making three fancy titles for my beasts, because supposedly I'd be stripped otherwise, just to wake up and find them condensed into a list.

Alright, so much for hard work, but someone thought they were doing their job. So alright, that's cool.

And then someone goes and does exactly what  did now and doesn't even give me my beasts(messing with you Eric :p), and now that's wrong because I didn't make it x.x

Right now, while council members and mods run around with their heads cut off, us Hosts are being dicked around Q.Q It is so confusing!
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Ace on January 05, 2017, 12:42:05 AM
*raises his hand*
My turn! :D

All I ask for now is only for those I direct questions to for a post, please. Yes of course though, anyone can post, I will not limit that. =)
But, I'd like to solve this quickly and efficiently now, so only chime in if you will be helping me out. ;)

1. Topics in question have been moved to All That is Bijuu sub-board.
2. The entire Bijuu Arena sub-board has been moved to the All That is Bijuu category as a sub-board.
3. Eric, since you have created all the topics in question, first of all, thank you. Your hard work we all continue to see. Kay, thank you for continuing to progress us forward, your hard work does not go unnoticed.
4. QUESTION: Eric, since you created all the topics, you will then have to maintain those topics by editing each initial post, correct? Or will you be deleting your initial post once all hosts have posted their initial post which essentially should follow your format?
I simply do not want you to have to do a lot of work. And from a administrative/managerial perspective, the next person who would have to assume responsibility of maintaining those topics would have to continuously edit all those topics.

Once those two above questions are answered, in a the most brief possible way, we will end this discussion. ;)

Thanks!
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Eric on January 05, 2017, 04:34:22 PM
4.  No, that is not how the thread works. When a new host takes over, they will make a post with their preferences and current challengers; the initial post is supposed to be the instructions for using the thread as a whole. No moderator will have to continuously edit the posts because all of the updates will be made by post following the initial post. To find the latest host/owner of the beast, all one has to do is start from the latest posts made in the thread and work backwards.

I can delete my reposting of the preferences as it would be rather redundant to have both. I would rather leave the initial post for future reference so that people know how the thread is supposed to work. The threads can be deleted and the hosts can then make their own, but then everytime there is a new host a new thread would have to be made. Much like the updated list of jinchurikii, the activeness of the input of the hosts will ultimately determine the usefulness of the threads.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Ace on January 06, 2017, 12:54:20 AM
I would probably just suggest deleting your original posting once all members have posted in their respective thread. =)

If people want to have your initial post, I do not mind either. We can simply re-vote on that. The goal is to move forward, and solve any lingering situations here.
And problem solved.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Eric on January 06, 2017, 04:19:18 AM
I would probably just suggest deleting your original posting once all members have posted in their respective thread. =)

If people want to have your initial post, I do not mind either. We can simply re-vote on that. The goal is to move forward, and solve any lingering situations here.
And problem solved.

I am not allowed to delete the first post of a topic. Remedying that would require spitting the thread and then deleting the thread with the initial post in it. Is it really that serious?
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Ace on January 06, 2017, 05:15:56 AM
I would probably just suggest deleting your original posting once all members have posted in their respective thread. =)

If people want to have your initial post, I do not mind either. We can simply re-vote on that. The goal is to move forward, and solve any lingering situations here.
And problem solved.

I am not allowed to delete the first post of a topic. Remedying that would require spitting the thread and then deleting the thread with the initial post in it. Is it really that serious?
Serious, nope-- at least in my opinion. =)

But, I guess I'll be blunt, I didn't think my request was that bad, since it constitutes a solution (<-- I think that's the goal, a solution). =)
I stepped in since I noticed members becoming tired of a couple of people not able to simply come to terms.
Sometimes, people disregard the premise of who is right or wrong in certain instances, more so they give respect to those who forge a solution, in the hopes of progress. ^^

To all reading, I do agree that the hosts should assume responsibility of their own threads, but at the same time, the initiation by Eric and the reminder by Kay did move us forward.

It's not that hard to compliment both. And quite frankly, everyone continues to amaze me. No matter the words that are said, the desire to continue having discussions is simply refreshing to see.

And leave the deleting of the initial posts to me. ;)
I might be able to get that done much quicker. But, I'll need a reminder please. Once every host has assumed responsibility of their thread, simply give me a nudge.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Ace on January 06, 2017, 05:23:43 AM
Well, feel free to post anyone. Any disagreements with how this was handled, questions, concerns, etc.
All should be heard. ^^

Or any other issues that need to be discussed, have at it. ;)
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on January 07, 2017, 11:32:17 AM
Do I have any NEW comments to make?

"I read this."
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Eric on January 07, 2017, 06:14:52 PM
I would probably just suggest deleting your original posting once all members have posted in their respective thread. =)

If people want to have your initial post, I do not mind either. We can simply re-vote on that. The goal is to move forward, and solve any lingering situations here.
And problem solved.

I am not allowed to delete the first post of a topic. Remedying that would require spitting the thread and then deleting the thread with the initial post in it. Is it really that serious?
Serious, nope-- at least in my opinion. =)

But, I guess I'll be blunt, I didn't think my request was that bad, since it constitutes a solution (<-- I think that's the goal, a solution). =)
I stepped in since I noticed members becoming tired of a couple of people not able to simply come to terms.
Sometimes, people disregard the premise of who is right or wrong in certain instances, more so they give respect to those who forge a solution, in the hopes of progress. ^^

To all reading, I do agree that the hosts should assume responsibility of their own threads, but at the same time, the initiation by Eric and the reminder by Kay did move us forward.

It's not that hard to compliment both. And quite frankly, everyone continues to amaze me. No matter the words that are said, the desire to continue having discussions is simply refreshing to see.

And leave the deleting of the initial posts to me. ;)
I might be able to get that done much quicker. But, I'll need a reminder please. Once every host has assumed responsibility of their thread, simply give me a nudge.

I will axe the preferences thread inserts I planted in order to encourage the current hosts to expedite their preference posting. Just as a way to try to get that done faster.

A certain timetable should be established though to make sure this doesn't go on indefinitely.

* The 2-tails, the 6-tails, the 7-tails, technically Gedo since it's still undecided, and the 1-tails are the only ones I spotted in compliance with preferences. The rest need to get theirs up.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: JayJay on January 07, 2017, 09:44:09 PM
Yay I'm in compliance with the preferences.. I say I deserve a cookie for that Cx
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Eric on January 08, 2017, 06:16:21 AM
Yay I'm in compliance with the preferences.. I say I deserve a cookie for that Cx


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Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: JayJay on January 08, 2017, 06:18:59 AM
Yay I'm in compliance with the preferences.. I say I deserve a cookie for that Cx


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Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Trev on January 08, 2017, 09:12:07 AM
What am I supposed to be doing to be in compliance? I kinda stopped following along, cause I was sick of making a thread and it being moved.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Eric on January 08, 2017, 11:40:30 AM
What am I supposed to be doing to be in compliance? I kinda stopped following along, cause I was sick of making a thread and it being moved.

In the thread(s) of any beast that you own, post your list of preferences and current list of challengers (including any new ones you may have recently obtained). Pardon the dust, the moving part is about done.  :)
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: Hazama on January 08, 2017, 07:27:42 PM
And what is the punishment for not making one? Because Genesis still hasn't made a preference or void list and I'd like to levy whatever that punishment is on him.

As soon as the vote about which character he gets to use was finished I made our fight topic and posted my own preference and void list since, in the weeks leading up to this, Genesis never bothered to make one so I had to assume he doesn't want one.

Of course he is now trying to talk to me about voids which I'm refusing to acknowledge because he had his two week cooldown and then some to think of a void list and he intentionally did not in an effort to waste my time.
Title: Re: FYI: ALL Host and Challengers MUST comply with the RULES [MOD ATTENTION!!!]
Post by: KayentaMoenkopi on January 12, 2017, 01:42:10 PM
our punishment?

why he has to fight, of course.

We decided not to strip him.

There is no punishment.

I am not sure what your motivation is here, to be honest.

To get your match or to see someone drawn and quartered.

Stop putting him on ignore and go set the match up in the bijuu thread...in public...